| 00:00.20 | mallum | treke: are you following the path of hallski ? |
| 00:01.12 | treke | hallski? |
| 00:01.27 | mallum | the mean guy ;-) |
| 00:01.55 | treke | ah |
| 00:02.00 | treke | I've always been mean |
| 00:02.44 | Hallski | haha |
| 00:02.55 | Hallski | treke: follow my path |
| 00:03.21 | treke | you suck. |
| 00:03.30 | mallum | treke: I even fixed up the tiny xlib so x apps would compile against it today :/ |
| 00:03.40 | treke | mallum: Sweet. |
| 00:03.48 | mallum | trekewhere is the xserver is oe btw ? |
| 00:03.52 | mallum | s/is/in/ |
| 00:04.05 | treke | mallum: It problably isn't. |
| 00:04.11 | Hallski | treke: crawl you worm! |
| 00:04.16 | mallum | treke: who sucks now ? |
| 00:04.25 | mallum | Hallski: easy fella |
| 00:04.56 | Hallski | who wants to be in the way of Mr MassiveBalls |
| 00:05.02 | mallum | hehehe |
| 00:05.22 | treke | too much information |
| 00:05.27 | treke | mallum: I was just adding packages in order |
| 00:06.15 | mallum | treke: its my new name for MatchBox -> MassiveBalls |
| 00:06.29 | treke | I doubt I made it all the way through the list up to xserver |
| 00:06.38 | mallum | treke: np |
| 00:10.05 | mallum | treke: built a new kernel yet ? |
| 00:10.41 | treke | not yet |
| 00:11.03 | treke | damn work keeps getting in the way |
| 00:13.18 | mallum | treke: doh! |
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| 09:33.57 | florian_kc | hi all, good morning! |
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| 10:00.13 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning! |
| 10:03.50 | florian_kc | pb_: hello, you here? at this time? :-) |
| 10:06.24 | pb_ | florian_kc: heh. I'm just about to go to ARM for a bit, but I will be back in about an hour. |
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| 11:11.30 | pb_ | re |
| 11:14.55 | florian_kc | pb_: wb |
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| 14:05.57 | florian_kc | What is the -draft24 kernel version? |
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| 14:19.41 | florian_kc | hi jamey |
| 14:19.45 | mallum | hey jamey |
| 14:20.19 | florian_kc | jamey: You'll know... What is the -draft24 kernel version which seems to bc current cvs head? |
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| 14:22.22 | cmarqu | Hi. |
| 14:22.25 | cmarqu | Hi pb_ |
| 14:22.34 | pb_ | hi cmarqu! |
| 14:22.59 | florian_kc | cmarqu: hi |
| 14:23.22 | cmarqu | pb_: Did you hear already that the Interpocket USB Host was reviewed in the German c't magazine? |
| 14:24.32 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yep, Florian told me. |
| 14:24.37 | cmarqu | Ok. |
| 14:25.04 | pb_ | I gather they had some problems with their peripherals. |
| 14:25.15 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
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| 14:27.01 | jamey | florian_kc: -draft24 refers to mipv6 draft24. but I did not mean to check that in as part of the kernel version. |
| 14:27.01 | jamey | I'll back that out now. |
| 14:28.43 | florian_kc | jamey: ah ok, i was just curious what this is. |
| 14:30.15 | pb_ | hi jamey |
| 14:32.17 | jamey | hi pb |
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| 15:26.07 | jamey | florian_kc: can you give a brief description of what you have been doing with gpe-conf? |
| 15:30.18 | florian_kc | jamey: What are you interested in? latest changes? features or what i'm working on? |
| 15:31.24 | jamey | florian_kc: it sounded like you were changing the model of how gpe-conf works and I was interested in hearing about that |
| 15:31.30 | jamey | features, I guess |
| 15:36.40 | florian_kc | jamey: I added an info dialog that will be the home of all stuff that only provides information. mallum seems to be interested in acually doing this - the step i intend to do is to split gpe-conf in three parts: |
| 15:38.03 | florian_kc | - Info stuff that is mostly a simple application that needs not much of complicated features. |
| 15:38.43 | florian_kc | - Config tools which need a suid root task. |
| 15:39.19 | florian_kc | - Package management, that will be done by gpe-package in future. |
| 15:41.55 | florian_kc | This all is not that complicated, what i intend to do is to change the IPC mechanism in gpe-conf which is dome by pipes at the moment. Sockets would make it much easier to exchange data between back- and frontend. |
| 15:42.21 | jamey | sounds good |
| 15:43.01 | mallum | florian_kc: dbus ? |
| 15:44.56 | florian_kc | mallum: Yes, i was thinking about this... but i need to learn more about it. A kind of transparent config backend the frondend connects to would be cool... maybe we could make e.g. this automatic light control work hand in hand with gpe-conf and similar stuff. |
| 15:45.33 | mallum | florian_kc: I think dbus is the way to go for this kind of stuff |
| 15:46.29 | mallum | florian_kc: the dbus in familar currently I think uses the old api though. maybe worth upgrading it to newer api rather than writing new stuff with the old one |
| 15:46.34 | florian_kc | mallum: Then let's hope that i find some time to do this :-) |
| 15:47.16 | mallum | florian_kc: I thin pb said he would upgrade it soon |
| 15:47.22 | mallum | florian_kc: the api is pretty easy |
| 15:48.00 | florian_kc | ok, but first splitting this stuff and make gpe-package work. |
| 15:48.29 | florian_kc | jamey: did you see that i create a ipkg command line tool that works with the lib? :-) |
| 15:49.56 | mallum | florian_kc: are you going to add doxygen api docs to libipkg :-)) |
| 15:50.59 | jamey | florian_kc: I saw that -- thanks! |
| 15:51.18 | florian_kc | mallum: well... eh.... did you read this api description? :-) |
| 15:51.38 | mallum | florian_kc: no ? |
| 15:54.00 | florian_kc | mallum: http://handhelds.org/~florian/libipkg/libipkg.txt |
| 15:55.43 | mallum | florian_kc: aha :-) would take 30 secs to make that into doxygen doco |
| 15:55.49 | florian_kc | jamey: it might be a good idea to think about an ipkg package with this - it is that trivial that i can't find a reason not to use it. |
| 15:55.56 | mallum | florian_kc: dont forget to add a .pc file for it either ! |
| 15:56.07 | florian_kc | mallum: :-) sounds like a good idea.... |
| 15:57.18 | mallum | florian_kc: can you note attach any 'userdata' to the callbacks ? |
| 15:59.25 | jamey | oh that would be a good thing |
| 16:00.50 | florian_kc | mallum: It would be easy to add... |
| 16:01.06 | florian_kc | Hmm.. yes, it could make some things easier.... |
| 16:01.16 | mallum | florian_kc: I think it would be useful and avoid the need for globals |
| 16:01.45 | mallum | florian_kc: also may be worth adding the args_t definition to the document |
| 16:01.55 | mallum | florian_kc: but overall Id say it looks pretty rocking :-)) |
| 16:02.14 | mallum | florian_kc: will be nice to have something like this ! |
| 16:02.54 | jamey | except for the changes it already exists |
| 16:02.57 | jamey | ipkg install libipkg |
| 16:03.12 | florian_kc | mallum: Most stuff described works... but is not tested perfectly. |
| 16:03.44 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 16:04.30 | mallum | florian_kc: is it lgpl btw ? |
| 16:05.30 | jamey | I think it is currently gpl |
| 16:05.31 | florian_kc | mallum: that's a good point... i fear this depends on ipkg because the lib itself mostly wraps ipkg functions. |
| 16:05.47 | jamey | I would be happy to make libipkg lgpl |
| 16:05.56 | jamey | have to ask cworth as other major contributor to it |
| 16:06.14 | florian_kc | This sounds like a very good idea :-) |
| 16:07.49 | florian_kc | Ok, i need to go... but i'll back soon and do some Simpad hacking :-)) |
| 16:09.44 | mallum | the oz people apparently have 2.6 working on the simpad |
| 16:09.55 | mallum | apparently its much faster |
| 16:12.15 | florian_kc | this is very interesting... we need packages :-) |
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| 16:21.52 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 16:26.52 | treke|home | mornin mallum |
| 16:27.17 | mallum | hey treke|home |
| 16:28.58 | pb_ | hi treke |
| 16:31.21 | treke|home | mallum: do any more fiddling? |
| 16:32.12 | mallum | treke|home: no, been mb hacking :/ |
| 16:32.24 | treke|home | cool |
| 16:32.41 | mallum | should be able to take a look inabit |
| 16:32.59 | treke|home | I did some kernel poking last night, but nothing substantive came out of it |
| 16:51.23 | treke|home | mallum: have you looked at what the driver does on the resize ioctl |
| 16:51.56 | mallum | treke|home: yeah I followed the funcs through, most just seems to bang registers, re-init stuff |
| 16:52.11 | treke|home | ah |
| 16:52.39 | treke|home | since I know the resize code does set things up properly |
| 16:53.53 | mallum | which bit ? |
| 16:56.57 | treke|home | actually havent tested it with this patch. probably should |
| 16:57.32 | treke|home | with the old one requesting a 240x320 screen would give me readable output, while just calling the ioctl wouldnt |
| 16:58.20 | mallum | yeah via fbset right ? |
| 16:58.47 | treke|home | yeah it was using an fbset equivalent |
| 16:59.03 | treke|home | but the code being hit by fbset should be usable in the rotate only |
| 17:04.11 | mallum | treke|home: the w100 code is so confusing makes it difficult to figure out whats going on |
| 17:04.45 | mallum | treke|home: I will build a new kernel and fill the w100 with printk's |
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| 17:22.37 | treke | mallum: so I was thinking, maybe we are going about this wrong and should be issuing an fbset call along with the rotate ioctl |
| 17:24.20 | mallum | treke: right, thats what I originally said isn't it ? |
| 17:24.35 | treke | might have |
| 17:24.47 | mallum | but that shouldn't really be need imho |
| 17:25.08 | mallum | treke: I will try that in a mo. |
| 17:25.23 | mallum | treke: just wanna hunt down annoying matchbox bug ... |
| 17:25.26 | treke | hehe |
| 17:27.02 | treke | Yeah, I'm torn. On one hand it makes sense to think that rotating should issue the resize. But is there any situtation where you would want to be able to rotate without resizing? |
| 17:28.10 | mallum | yeah you may want to play video at 320x240 for better performance |
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| 17:31.41 | puks | hi |
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| 17:41.32 | florian | re |
| 17:41.38 | puks | hi florian |
| 17:42.24 | florian | hi puks |
| 17:53.57 | treke | hnnn, coool. gpe-blucker view |
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| 18:05.21 | florian | :-) |
| 18:06.45 | pb_ | mallum: I think http://handhelds.org/~pb/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-10.0.1_arm.deb is the file you need. |
| 18:11.49 | mallum | pb_: woohoo :-) |
| 18:12.05 | mallum | pb_: you are both a gentleman and a scholar sir |
| 18:12.19 | treke | you are 0 for 2. |
| 18:12.51 | treke | mallum: btw, http://bugs.openedhand.com/index.cgi/Matchbox/issue30 would be really nice on a c7x0 :) |
| 18:14.05 | mallum | treke: cvs can already do this |
| 18:14.15 | treke | oh cool. |
| 18:16.12 | mallum | treke: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/paneltitle.png |
| 18:16.34 | treke | very slick. |
| 18:16.38 | mallum | treke: I guess I should update that bug ;-) |
| 18:17.05 | mallum | gonna take dog out quick, then get my arm machine back to health :-) |
| 18:17.13 | treke | kergoth: :) |
| 18:24.25 | pb_ | treke: fyi, kergoth isn't in this # |
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| 18:24.38 | treke | pb_: I know. That was directed at mallum |
| 18:24.44 | treke | I just forgot to ctl+u :) |
| 18:24.50 | pb_ | aha :-) |
| 18:24.55 | treke | and it wasnt sufficiently important to correct |
| 18:24.55 | __moray | ah right, not laughing at him behind his back? ;) |
| 18:25.08 | treke | nah. I prefer to do that to his face. |
| 18:25.09 | __moray | (phew, I made it down to London) |
| 18:25.13 | pb_ | phew |
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| 19:36.41 | treke | weird |
| 19:36.53 | treke | mallum: your x image's calibration is off all the sudden |
| 19:37.11 | mallum_ | treke: does fbset lock the fb :/ |
| 19:37.20 | treke | ? |
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| 19:37.57 | mallum_ | treke: you use fbset to set the xres and yres and the fb locks up |
| 19:38.05 | treke | hmmm. |
| 19:38.29 | treke | this has to be doable somehow |
| 19:38.48 | mallum_ | treke: and whats worse my arm machine has decided to fsk a 120Gb disk :(( |
| 19:44.05 | mallum_ | treke: Im gonna dumbly bombard the w100 driver with printk's |
| 19:44.13 | treke | k |
| 19:45.30 | treke | mallum_: You noticed that your old X image has the cursor offset about 36 pixels after calibration? |
| 19:45.47 | mallum_ | treke: no ? try recalibating |
| 19:45.57 | treke | tried |
| 19:46.13 | treke | a similar thing happened with scummvm in opie |
| 19:46.52 | mallum_ | its definetly ok on mine |
| 19:47.12 | __moray | treke: are you *sure* you're holding the machine in exactly the same way during calibration as you do normally? |
| 19:47.38 | treke | __moray: No, but this is off almost exactly the height of the silk screen buttons. |
| 19:47.40 | __moray | (most people accidentally hold it / use the stylus differently) |
| 19:47.48 | treke | And I've had this problem once before with a different application |
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| 19:50.45 | mallum_ | pb_: CATS machine is alive again, thank you !!! |
| 19:50.57 | pb_ | mallum: excellent |
| 19:51.10 | treke | this is wierd. Its happening differently now |
| 19:51.15 | mallum_ | pb_: gonna upgrade the kernel now I think |
| 19:51.16 | treke | could be a bad ts patch |
| 19:51.32 | mallum_ | treke: plus the tslib calibration program is not state of the art |
| 19:51.59 | treke | at the upper right corner calibration is correct |
| 19:52.09 | treke | lower right it is way off |
| 19:52.23 | treke | I'm gonna pull out the ts code from the kernel patch |
| 19:52.42 | mallum_ | treke: ah ts stuff from that japanese patch ? |
| 19:52.49 | treke | yeah |
| 19:52.55 | mallum_ | oh Im not using that |
| 19:53.06 | treke | I tried it |
| 19:53.12 | treke | I think it was just for pressure |
| 20:03.45 | treke | mallum_: btw, how is your calibrate extention coming along? |
| 20:03.58 | florian | pb_: what would be the way to get simpad stuff into handhelds kernel? |
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| 20:05.26 | pb_ | florian: send a patch to jamey or me. |
| 20:05.39 | pb_ | florian: you probably ought to talk to the other opensimpad dudes first, though, if you haven't already. |
| 20:07.37 | mallum_ | treke: hmm good question. Well Im kind of stuck. The way Id need to do it is pretty ugly so Im not entirely sure weather its much better than existing method ( but harder todo ) |
| 20:09.06 | treke | it was the kernel patch |
| 20:09.44 | florian | pb_: not yet, this was only an idea... the kernel nils built was based on hh kernel+simpad patches. |
| 20:09.52 | treke | or maybe not |
| 20:10.10 | pb_ | florian: ok |
| 20:10.53 | treke | __moray: Its actually hard to hold the thing in the same position since the screen moves :) |
| 20:12.24 | treke | mallum_: Was the titlebar dock stuff in familiar unstbale? |
| 20:12.45 | mallum_ | treke: dont think so ... will be soon |
| 20:12.53 | treke | cool |
| 20:13.04 | mallum_ | treke: it needs a theme for it to work as well that defines an area for the panel |
| 20:14.43 | treke | well. At least I got matchbox up |
| 20:18.08 | jamey | florian: yes, send us simpad kernel patches |
| 20:19.27 | mallum_ | brb |
| 20:22.37 | florian | jamey: hehe, i'll try what happens if i update Nils patched kerenl tree... |
| 21:06.14 | florian | Hmm... how far did the opensimpad people get with kernel 2.6? |
| 21:06.46 | pb_ | I'm not sure. mickeyl might know. |
| 21:11.42 | florian | looks like i should start to read their mailinglist... it seems to be easy to update nils patches, but the sompad stuff is very different from the rest of the handhalds stuff... |
| 21:14.56 | mallum | treke: *sigh* i cant figure out that w100 stuff, its completely nuts |
| 21:29.21 | mallum | treke: is there no kernel hackers in oe that could take a look ? |
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| 21:39.13 | treke | I can pester krgoth to look at it |
| 21:39.50 | treke | mallum: So changing resolution if locking it up? |
| 21:40.21 | treke | mallum: Are you closing and reopening it? |
| 21:46.17 | mallum | treke: I just tried with busybox fbset |
| 21:46.31 | treke | hmmm |
| 21:47.35 | treke | this whole 8 hour time difference thing sucks |
| 21:47.50 | mallum | well has its advantages too :-) |
| 21:48.01 | mallum | you in NY ? |
| 21:48.09 | treke | california |
| 21:53.30 | mallum | oh thats like 12 hours I think |
| 21:53.47 | treke | you live in england, don't you? |
| 21:53.50 | mallum | california uber alles |
| 21:53.58 | mallum | yeah in London town guvnor |
| 21:54.09 | treke | we are GMT-8 |
| 21:54.25 | mallum | oh yeah getting confused, NY is 5 I think |
| 21:54.28 | mallum | Hawaii is 12 |
| 21:55.09 | treke | shit |
| 21:55.16 | treke | got nonroot X working |
| 21:55.37 | treke | /dev/null had incorrect permissions |
| 21:56.09 | mallum | cool |
| 21:59.26 | treke | mallum: what command were you using with wbset? |
| 22:00.34 | treke | because I used it here and it did work |
| 22:01.07 | abhishek | treke: where in ca? |
| 22:01.12 | treke | abhishek: Oxnard |
| 22:01.31 | abhishek | treke: hm, not too far |
| 22:01.33 | mallum | treke: fbset -n -xres 640 -yres 480 , after rotation |
| 22:01.44 | treke | ah. You did it after rotation. |
| 22:03.20 | treke | so far res change has rotated the screen |
| 22:05.04 | treke | ok fbset then rotate worked |
| 22:06.33 | treke | the ioctl is taking forever |
| 22:07.33 | mallum | maybe its hung ? |
| 22:07.44 | treke | no. it does finish |
| 22:08.19 | mallum | treke: and then if you start X, its ok ( and faster ) ? |
| 22:09.10 | treke | how do I tell X not to rotate? |
| 22:10.49 | treke | found it |
| 22:12.00 | treke | touch screen is messed up |
| 22:12.32 | mallum | xrandr, or the -screen switch on startup. ideally you shouldn't need the -screen switch ( or maybe just -screen 640x480 ) it should start in the right orientation if the fb is set up right |
| 22:12.46 | treke | touchscreen is wrong :p |
| 22:13.11 | mallum | that may meen X thinks its orientation is different |
| 22:13.40 | treke | and the calibrate app doesnt seem to work |
| 22:14.26 | mallum | something is messed up |
| 22:14.54 | mallum | after doing the fbset + rotate, does ts_calibrate render+work ok ? ( no X ) |
| 22:28.54 | treke | no X? |
| 22:29.08 | treke | thought ts_calibrate was an X app :) |
| 22:30.06 | treke | The nw corner is fine/ The ne corner is about half way across the screen |
| 22:30.16 | treke | the s half isnt shown |
| 22:33.26 | mallum_ | treke: no ts_calibrate is just an fb app |
| 22:33.38 | treke | it seems to be a bit faster |
| 22:35.28 | mallum_ | have the wipes gone ? |
| 22:35.38 | treke | not completely |
| 22:36.13 | treke | rebooting to compar |
| 22:37.09 | mallum_ | Im gonna give it ago |
| 22:37.15 | mallum_ | fbset before rotation right |
| 22:37.22 | treke | yeah |
| 22:37.33 | mallum_ | what did you fire at fbset ? |
| 22:37.57 | treke | fbset -xres 640 -yres 480 |
| 22:38.10 | mallum_ | that dont set it |
| 22:38.22 | mallum_ | you need the -n switch I think |
| 22:38.30 | treke | it did for me |
| 22:38.34 | treke | but I'm not using busybox |
| 22:38.42 | mallum_ | aha |
| 22:38.52 | mallum_ | leeme grab the fbset binary ... |
| 22:42.06 | treke | It definitly looks faster. It's still visible clearing though, but I dont think it's as noticable |
| 22:44.27 | mallum_ | arg my damn network card is going all flakey now :/ |
| 22:45.04 | mallum_ | treke: could you upload your current kernel + X initrd somewher ? |
| 22:45.39 | treke | i'm using your x initrd |
| 22:45.57 | mallum_ | ah hehe |
| 22:46.02 | mallum_ | with you own kernel ? |
| 22:46.14 | treke | lemme upload yup |
| 22:48.24 | mallum_ | treke: yours is 760 right ? |
| 22:49.05 | treke | yup |
| 22:49.11 | treke | ah. darn |
| 22:50.01 | mallum_ | no, Im 760 too |
| 22:52.00 | treke | ah. |
| 22:52.33 | treke | http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/zImage-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix.bin |
| 22:52.46 | mallum_ | treke: cool, thx |
| 22:53.15 | mallum_ | treke: movie time bbiab |
| 22:53.25 | treke | enjoy |
| 22:53.43 | mallum_ | my brain feels a bit melted this week. too many hours on machines :/ |
| 22:54.24 | treke | yup |
| 22:55.14 | mallum | many thanks for the kernel |
| 22:55.18 | treke | np |
| 22:55.33 | mallum | I'll probably battle it tommorow morning now |
| 22:55.39 | treke | cool. |
| 22:55.42 | mallum | g'night all |
| 22:55.48 | treke | Maybe I'll get up extra early tomorrow |
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