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| 12:12.06 | reenoo | hi |
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| 13:19.22 | pb_ | dc_ti: afternoon |
| 13:21.06 | dc_ti | afternoon :D |
| 13:21.26 | dc_ti | yay, iPod should be coming next week |
| 13:22.41 | pb_ | ah, cool |
| 13:23.03 | dc_ti | 20 Gb :D |
| 13:23.10 | pb_ | excellent |
| 13:23.25 | pb_ | I should renew my efforts to make a hard disk sleeve for my ipaq. |
| 13:23.31 | dc_ti | just ripping the whole cd cupboard at home with this uber distributed mp3 encoder. |
| 13:23.38 | dc_ti | pb_: dear god, yes. |
| 13:24.21 | pb_ | toshiba have 30G 1.8" drives now, which I think will just go into CF+-sleeve-sized plastics. |
| 13:25.36 | dc_ti | that would be very cool |
| 13:25.47 | dc_ti | pb_: how does the usb-cf card go btw? |
| 13:26.40 | pb_ | dc_ti: well, we've sold a few of them, though not quite as many as we might have hoped. unfortunately most would-be customers want Windows drivers. |
| 13:27.00 | pb_ | so, my task for the Christmas holidays may be to figure out how to write drivers for pocketpc. |
| 13:27.04 | pb_ | :-{ |
| 13:27.37 | dc_ti | ohd ear. |
| 13:27.49 | dc_ti | pb_: sounds.... |
| 13:27.53 | dc_ti | pb_: a tad boring. |
| 13:28.21 | pb_ | sadly I'm still owned by ARM at the moment, which puts the kibosh on most product development activities. |
| 13:32.18 | dc_ti | ah. |
| 13:32.55 | dc_ti | what are you currently doing for them at the moment? |
| 13:43.03 | pb_ | still working on this 1156 thing. |
| 13:43.22 | dc_ti | ah, cool. |
| 13:44.00 | pb_ | http://www.arm.com/news/3794.html has some words about it. |
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| 13:53.09 | dc_ti | man, apple take there time to build orders. |
| 13:55.08 | pb_ | ah, looks like it's stopped raining for a short time. |
| 13:55.30 | pb_ | brb, need to seize the moment and plant some raspberry canes. |
| 13:56.38 | dc_ti | :- |
| 13:56.40 | dc_ti | ? |
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| 14:47.05 | dc__ti | pb_: what's whis about raspberry canes? |
| 14:50.10 | pb_ | dc__ti: ah, I had a sack of plants sitting in my garage, and they tend to dry out and die if you leave them in that state for too long. |
| 14:51.16 | dc__ti | ah, right :] |
| 14:52.25 | pb_ | so, they're now ensconced in the ground. |
| 14:52.37 | dc__ti | how happy. |
| 14:53.04 | dc__ti | right. time to do some gpe coding before I remember the huge amount of college work I stil have to do ;-) |
| 14:53.35 | pb_ | aha, excellent |
| 14:54.14 | dc__ti | last night I caught up on my python/gtk and managed to make a progress viewer for this distributed mp3 encoding, pretty cucte. |
| 14:54.23 | pb_ | sounds neat |
| 14:57.34 | dc__ti | ooooh, gpe-go, who did that? |
| 14:59.25 | dc__ti | doh. no cpu yet |
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| 15:00.25 | pb_ | whoops |
| 15:00.40 | pb_ | forgot that switching from wired to wireless tends to drop connections. |
| 15:07.42 | dc__ti | heh |
| 15:09.47 | pb_ | I guess I should set up mobile ipv6 or something to avoid that. |
| 15:10.24 | dc__ti | when do you have to switch> |
| 15:13.03 | pb_ | well, not all that often. only if I started off using a wired connection and then discovered that either I need to move to a different place, or (as in this instance) need to use the wired connection for another machine. |
| 15:13.23 | dc__ti | ah |
| 15:16.54 | dc__ti | so, gpe-filemanager wise. |
| 15:17.08 | pb_ | ah yes |
| 15:17.09 | dc__ti | pb_: it seems there's something wrong with the gnome-vfs icon fetching |
| 15:17.34 | dc__ti | so queried the nautilus team, and they some iconfactory fun |
| 15:18.20 | dc__ti | so I guess the gnome-vfs team deserves an email |
| 15:19.06 | pb_ | right |
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| 15:21.49 | dc__ti | pb_: do you know what might be causeing Trace/breakpoint trap in a binary? |
| 15:22.03 | dc__ti | pb_: it seems to happen with most video players and java on my powerbook. |
| 15:24.05 | pb_ | dc__ti: hm, no, not really. that's SIGTRAP, but I'm not sure what would cause it. |
| 15:24.25 | dc__ti | indeed. |
| 15:24.36 | dc__ti | so much for usefull output |
| 15:24.43 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 15:29.34 | dc__ti | that's kind of cool |
| 15:29.53 | dc__ti | when I clikc on an mp3 with gpe-filemanager it starts playing the approriate one in rhythmbox |
| 15:30.12 | pb_ | aha. |
| 15:30.56 | dc__ti | wel.... |
| 15:30.58 | dc__ti | most of the tiem |
| 15:31.07 | pb_ | heh |
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| 16:15.40 | dc__ti | woah, that took some time |
| 16:15.48 | dc__ti | now at I can have a text editor :-/ |
| 16:16.44 | pb_ | hm, I just discovered that this new CPU I was trying to install is incompatible with my motherboard. suck. |
| 16:16.51 | dc__ti | oh dear. |
| 16:16.54 | dc__ti | that does suck |
| 16:18.18 | pb_ | I'd neglected to notice that it's a 333MHz FSB device, and none of my motherboards will go above 266MHz. |
| 16:19.07 | pb_ | oh well |
| 16:22.48 | dc__ti | :-\/ |
| 16:28.44 | ade|home | pb_: what cpu is it ? |
| 16:29.09 | pb_ | ade|home: athlon 2600+ |
| 16:29.32 | ade|home | nice |
| 16:29.47 | pb_ | heh. well, nicer if it worked. |
| 16:29.56 | ade|home | indeed |
| 16:30.19 | ade|home | how much is a goodish mobo for it vs a different cpu ? |
| 16:30.53 | pb_ | seems to be about the same: probably 60-70 quid in each case. |
| 16:31.07 | ade|home | bugger |
| 16:31.51 | moray | was the previous CPU dead or just due for upgrade? |
| 16:32.05 | pb_ | just due for upgrade. |
| 16:32.29 | moray | I guess a new motherboard would leave you with two machines, then |
| 16:33.17 | ade|home | can you get 'dummy' vga cards |
| 16:33.22 | pb_ | true, though I don't really have any use for another machine at the moment. |
| 16:33.28 | pb_ | ade|home: dummy in what sense? |
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| 16:34.10 | ade|home | well all pc need a video out , but can you fool it |
| 16:34.36 | ade|home | or is it cheaper to just add a naff gfx card |
| 16:35.08 | pb_ | the latter. cheap video cards cost virtually nothing nowadays. |
| 16:35.23 | ade|home | pb_: another machine .. would be good to have a buildd for familiar ;) |
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| 19:27.31 | mallum | pb_: hi |
| 19:35.34 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 19:36.08 | mallum | pb_: on the 5xxx's is the fb orientation same as physical orientation ? |
| 19:36.43 | pb_ | you mean is the h5000 framebuffer naturally portrait? yes. |
| 19:36.59 | mallum | yeah, thought so |
| 19:37.13 | mallum | the xserver in unstable has broken rotation |
| 19:37.27 | pb_ | ah. |
| 19:38.20 | mallum | Its locks up on anything using '@' in the -screen switch |
| 19:38.32 | mallum | thus I guessed the 5xxx's didn't rotate |
| 19:38.47 | pb_ | oh, that's unfortunate. |
| 19:39.03 | mallum | It looks like something in damage extension is corrupting data going to the fb layer |
| 19:39.19 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 19:40.03 | mallum | I logged a bug on fd.o, its annoying for handhelds :/ |
| 19:40.22 | pb_ | right. yeah, I guess that would explain why Thomas Baker was having trouble on his h3800. |
| 19:41.11 | mallum | yeah locked up both my 3600 and 3800 |
| 19:45.27 | pb_ | oh well. that's a pain, because the xserver in 0.7.2 is broken as well (albeit differently). |
| 19:45.57 | mallum | whats up with that one seemed ok with me |
| 19:46.12 | pb_ | it's missing MIT-SCREEN-SAVER. |
| 19:46.16 | mallum | btw, the new setup ts, user etc procedure is very nice in 0.7.2 images |
| 19:47.03 | pb_ | ah, glad you like it. |
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| 19:57.24 | mallum | pb_: how does the MIT-SCREEN-SAVER missing effect things ? |
| 20:04.23 | pb_ | mallum: it upsets ipaq-sleep, which tends to put the machine to sleep even when it's in use. |
| 20:05.25 | moray | hm, you'd have thought a better fallback would be to assume activity. (but I guess people just assumed it would be present) |
| 20:05.47 | pb_ | yah. ipaq-sleep is not terribly well written. |
| 20:06.51 | pb_ | it also fills up .xsession-errors with "extension ... missing on display" error messages if you stay logged in for a long time. |
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| 20:34.15 | florian | re |
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| 20:39.42 | florian | hi dc_ti |
| 20:39.53 | reenoo | lalala |
| 20:39.57 | reenoo | hi all |
| 20:40.53 | moray | hi reenoo, dc_ti, florian |
| 20:41.07 | reenoo | hey moray |
| 20:41.07 | florian | hey ho |
| 20:41.15 | dc_ti | hey moray, reenoo, florian :) |
| 20:41.21 | reenoo | hehehe |
| 20:41.33 | reenoo | got my laptop btw |
| 20:41.40 | dc_ti | what is it |
| 20:41.44 | dc_ti | model/make? |
| 20:41.49 | reenoo | ibm x31 |
| 20:41.53 | dc_ti | doh. |
| 20:42.06 | reenoo | doh? |
| 20:42.19 | dc_ti | you make life too easy for yourself. |
| 20:42.41 | dc_ti | why not get an apple for twice the price, and then spend all your time battling with badly developed ppc ports? |
| 20:42.42 | dc_ti | like me. |
| 20:42.43 | dc_ti | hehe |
| 20:42.45 | moray | I bet it doesn't have a pulsating white sleep LED either. |
| 20:42.51 | dc_ti | hehehe |
| 20:43.11 | reenoo | err |
| 20:43.21 | dc_ti | moray: you seen the new kernel uses it as a hdd activity indicator? |
| 20:43.26 | dc_ti | moray: that is actualy very cool |
| 20:43.34 | reenoo | it was far from trivial to get something working on it at all |
| 20:43.45 | dc_ti | oh :-/ |
| 20:43.46 | moray | dc_ti: hm, I saw a patch/option for that before, but wasn't using it |
| 20:43.59 | dc_ti | moray: ah, benh rsync has it I think |
| 20:44.10 | reenoo | linux doesn't like it's acpi implementation it seems |
| 20:44.34 | reenoo | currently it's running FreeBSD-CURRENT |
| 20:44.40 | dc_ti | ouch |
| 20:44.48 | reenoo | which crashes during every shutdown |
| 20:44.57 | dc_ti | eww. |
| 20:45.03 | dc_ti | maybe apples are good then |
| 20:45.03 | reenoo | before unmounting filesystems of course |
| 20:45.11 | dc_ti | my iPod will be arriving next week :D |
| 20:45.20 | dc_ti | so I have my distributed mp3 encoding setup going right now |
| 20:45.21 | dc_ti | weeee |
| 20:46.05 | ade|home | dc_ti: is there much point in distributed mp3 encoding ? |
| 20:46.49 | ade|home | dc_ti: most computers encode quicker than you can get the data off a disk |
| 20:46.53 | dc_ti | ade|home: well. it's better than going my college work |
| 20:47.12 | ade|home | i like to avoid mine too :) |
| 20:47.14 | dc_ti | it does speed it up quite a bit. |
| 20:47.18 | dc_ti | I have 3 drives in one bo. |
| 20:47.19 | dc_ti | x |
| 20:47.23 | dc_ti | and two clients. |
| 20:47.28 | dc_ti | both 800MHz |
| 20:47.34 | dc_ti | so it's pretty fast. |
| 20:47.38 | dc_ti | over 100mbit. |
| 20:47.41 | ade|home | spend much time changing cds |
| 20:47.49 | dc_ti | indeed. |
| 20:48.09 | moray | dc_ti: I think when Apple hardware works with Linux at all it's pretty easy/well-supported |
| 20:48.22 | dc_ti | moray: indeed. |
| 20:48.47 | reenoo | actually FreeBSD should be fun if it didn't crash with the filesystems mounted... all hardware is reconized, cpu throttling works, S1 etc. crashes. but I could life with that |
| 20:49.47 | dc_ti | that's cool anyway |
| 20:49.51 | dc_ti | reenoo: what are the specs/ |
| 20:51.14 | reenoo | p3m 1.4ghz, ati radeon m6, 256mb ram (+512mb on monday), 40b hdd |
| 20:51.30 | reenoo | no optical drives |
| 20:51.42 | dc_ti | uber though |
| 20:52.09 | reenoo | usb 1.0, ieee1394, bt, centrino wlan |
| 20:52.18 | reenoo | and a cf slot |
| 20:53.32 | reenoo | so I had to persuade FreeBSD to boot via pxe first ;) |
| 20:53.35 | dc_ti | cool |
| 20:58.48 | reenoo | yeah. apart from the crashes on shutdown :/ |
| 20:59.28 | ade|home | reenoo: adds to the fun :) |
| 21:00.00 | ade|home | reenoo: do you know what bit causes the crashes ? |
| 21:02.05 | reenoo | it crashes after "waiting for vnlru to stop..stop" |
| 21:02.20 | reenoo | err |
| 21:02.26 | reenoo | it crashes after "waiting for vnlru to stop...stopped" |
| 21:02.39 | reenoo | no error message |
| 21:02.42 | reenoo | no trap |
| 21:03.57 | reenoo | just sits there saying "have fun running fsck on your filesystems!" |
| 21:04.10 | reenoo | :\ |
| 21:04.30 | ade|home | bugger |
| 21:06.41 | moray | dc_ti: got a new disk? |
| 21:07.21 | dc_ti | no :_/ |
| 21:07.25 | dc_ti | only problem with all this |
| 21:07.41 | dc_ti | my poor powerbook will be full by the end |
| 21:07.42 | dc_ti | he |
| 21:07.43 | dc_ti | h |
| 21:07.49 | dc_ti | oh dear. how boring. |
| 21:08.00 | dc_ti | it's using variable bitrate. |
| 21:08.07 | dc_ti | mmm.. guess it's not that bad. |
| 21:08.16 | moray | dc_ti: you'll need to get another one for the other half of your collection ;) |
| 21:08.29 | moray | 'sorry, starts with a T, I'll need my other laptop for that...' |
| 21:08.41 | dc_ti | hehe |
| 21:08.52 | dc_ti | I'm getting an old G4 desktop |
| 21:09.05 | dc_ti | so I plan to get a nice 100 or so hdd for that |
| 21:09.16 | dc_ti | that can serve out all my music. |
| 21:09.45 | dc_ti | there are 6 clients... |
| 21:09.45 | dc_ti | :} |
| 21:09.59 | mallum | dc_ti: my CATS muchine is my 'media' server |
| 21:09.59 | mallum | poor thing |
| 21:10.04 | dc_ti | lets assume iPod supports VBA |
| 21:10.13 | dc_ti | or whatever variable bitrate is called. |
| 21:10.19 | pb_ | dc_ti: everything supports variable bitrate nowadays |
| 21:10.20 | dc_ti | mallum: v. your dogs, yeah. |
| 21:10.26 | dc_ti | pb_: goodm good :) |
| 21:11.42 | pb_ | ade|home: my athlon 1800 takes significantly longer to ogg encode a CD than it does to pull the data off the disk. I can imagine distributed encoding would be worthwhile. |
| 21:12.11 | dc_ti | and funnily enough mine is an athlon 1800 as well :} |
| 21:12.49 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:15.42 | pb_ | well, I guess computers in ade's world must either be blessed with much faster cpus, or cursed with slower drives. |
| 21:16.23 | dc_ti | ade|home: where do you live? |
| 21:16.42 | moray | pb_: maybe he's just using the comedy DMA-less ide-scsi or something? |
| 21:16.49 | dc_ti | I'm cursed with a lack of space right now |
| 21:17.22 | dc_ti | I foolishly split my drive in half. |
| 21:17.50 | dc_ti | where as now I've learnt that OS X doesn't even deserve a drive, let alone half of it :-( |
| 21:18.21 | pb_ | dc_ti: that's unfortunate |
| 21:18.36 | dc_ti | indeed. |
| 21:18.42 | dc_ti | added to the lack of resizing. |
| 21:18.48 | dc_ti | so I'm a bit stuck.... |
| 21:19.07 | pb_ | yeah, it's regrettable that you're trying to do all this on a laptop. |
| 21:19.15 | dc_ti | guess I could put everything on the 22Gb spare on my athlon untill I get this g4 |
| 21:19.27 | dc_ti | then just pick-n-mix to my laptop :-] |
| 21:19.27 | pb_ | in 3.5" drives, you can get 120GB for under 60GBP now, but 2.5" is much more expensive. |
| 21:19.39 | dc_ti | r4eally. |
| 21:19.40 | dc_ti | hrm. |
| 21:20.35 | dc_ti | I deserve a nice biiig media drive. |
| 21:22.06 | dc_ti | who do we vote as the most trused hdd maker? |
| 21:22.49 | pb_ | I think most of them are OK. Even HGST seem to have gotten over their Deskstar shocker. |
| 21:22.59 | pb_ | Seagate is my favourite at the moment. |
| 21:23.24 | dc_ti | indeed. |
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| 21:23.42 | dc_ti | the seagate 160Gb is only 80 |
| 21:24.19 | pb_ | if you want to use the drive in a server, you might want to watch out for the rated lifetime. a lot of "desktop" class drives now are only rated for 15000 power-on hours, which is less than 2 years if you run them all the time. |
| 21:24.30 | dc_ti | although the maxtor is only 3 pounds more and has an 8mb cache as compared to the 2mb seagate. |
| 21:24.39 | dc_ti | pb_: ew. |
| 21:25.33 | pb_ | not that the nominal service life necessarily means a whole lot, but still. |
| 21:26.11 | dc_ti | at least you have something to argue about when it comes to warrentys |
| 21:29.22 | reenoo | hmm... battery life seems ok now that its running in the lowest CPU speed |
| 21:33.42 | dc_ti | oops, wrong channel. |
| 21:34.15 | dc_ti | ah, the wester digital has a 3 year warrently. that is nice. |
| 21:34.53 | pb_ | sounds good |
| 21:35.07 | dc_ti | what's MTBF? |
| 21:35.18 | pb_ | mean time between failures |
| 21:36.07 | dc_ti | meaning> |
| 21:36.09 | dc_ti | ? |
| 21:36.13 | pb_ | 600000 hour MTBF would mean that, if you had 1000 drives, you should expect one to fail about every 600 hours. they normally quote MTTR as well, which is mean time to repair, and you can put the two together to get predicted availability. |
| 21:36.45 | pb_ | none of that stuff is very relevant if you only have one drive. |
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| 21:37.22 | dc_ti | ah |
| 21:37.24 | dc_ti | heh |
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| 21:38.23 | mallum | pb_: do you plan on updating the dbus libs soonish ? |
| 21:38.55 | pb_ | mallum: I hadn't particularly planned to, but I can do if you want. |
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| 22:10.56 | mallum | pb_: Hallski has done some hacking on bringing gconf-dbus up to date |
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| 22:39.47 | {HyGy} | hi |
| 22:40.03 | {HyGy} | can anyone here programming a PIC in C? |
| 22:42.47 | florian | The only thing i know about PICs is that they are nasty... |
| 22:43.07 | {HyGy} | hi florian иж |
| 22:43.08 | {HyGy} | :) |
| 22:43.10 | {HyGy} | sorry |
| 22:43.29 | {HyGy} | I make my first pic program in C wich blinking a LED |
| 22:44.19 | florian | {HyGy}: For Atmel controllers there is a nice gcc and libs... |
| 22:45.16 | {HyGy} | I used once atmel but now I want to use PIC couse I have some free sample from it :) |
| 22:45.22 | {HyGy} | from microchip |
| 22:46.01 | {HyGy} | :) |
| 22:46.05 | florian | :-) |
| 22:46.37 | {HyGy} | I want to make an alarm system to my motor bike :) |
| 22:47.15 | florian | hehe, sounds cool... but i'm sure that gpe will not run on a PIC ;-) |
| 22:48.15 | {HyGy} | mybe a bigger :)))) |
| 22:48.33 | {HyGy} | but maybe I can connect a PIC motor controlling system with my ipaq :) |
| 22:48.47 | {HyGy} | (if I'll know more about pic-s) |
| 22:50.00 | {HyGy} | florian is the virtual-locale-hu problem ....? |
| 22:51.24 | {HyGy} | still exist? |
| 22:53.16 | florian | {HyGy}: Yes, i think so - seems to be a problem with ipkg. Maybe i have some time to debug this tomorrow. |
| 22:54.44 | {HyGy} | what is the time at your place? |
| 22:55.28 | {HyGy} | here is 23:58 :) |
| 22:57.44 | florian | {HyGy}: We are in the same time zone :-) |
| 22:58.22 | {HyGy} | okay :) |
| 22:58.30 | {HyGy} | now I go to sleep then |
| 22:58.30 | {HyGy} | :) |
| 22:58.34 | {HyGy} | bye |
| 22:58.36 | {HyGy} | :) |
| 23:00.09 | mallum | pb_: oh btw, if you tell me what defualt apps you want in the panel I can make a matchbox-gpe package which sets up the panels defualt apps so they appear in the correct order |
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| 23:05.35 | dc__ti | not bad, managed to rip 2.4Gb of mp3s today |
| 23:06.27 | mallum | dc__ti: :-) |
| 23:06.41 | mallum | dc__ti: what program are you using to wrip them ? |
| 23:06.57 | mallum | dc__ti: sound juicer is nice but it crashes a lot for me |
| 23:07.20 | moray | mallum: I think sj crashiness depends on your drive etc. |
| 23:07.26 | dc__ti | mallum: I have these nice simple perl scripts which uses cdparanoia on my box with 3 drives, which writes them to an nfs mount on my powerbook. |
| 23:07.38 | moray | mallum: the problem is a lack of sane error reporting from the libraries it uses |
| 23:07.54 | dc__ti | mallum: then I have the athlon, powerbook and server all running the encoding script that uses lame |
| 23:08.03 | dc__ti | mallum: so it rips very fast :-) |
| 23:08.25 | dc__ti | 3.4GHz all together |
| 23:08.35 | pb_ | moray: I find sound-juicer is fine if I just want to rip one disc, but if I try to do another without shutting it down and starting again, it's almost certain to crash. |
| 23:08.49 | dc__ti | mallum: and I've even written a nice gtk monitor that tells you the progress of each client. |
| 23:08.59 | mallum | dc__ti: hehe, sounds very cool |
| 23:09.04 | mallum | pb_: same here |
| 23:09.07 | moray | pb_: interesting. that does tend to sound like a memory-freeing type bug. |
| 23:09.15 | pb_ | I went back to just using abcde. |
| 23:09.55 | dc__ti | heh. |
| 23:10.04 | dc__ti | sj works fine for me :-| |
| 23:10.15 | dc__ti | rhythmbox is pretty uber. |
| 23:10.26 | pb_ | yeah, walters has been doing great work on it. |
| 23:10.27 | dc__ti | except for their insane amount of code repoitries |
| 23:11.01 | dc__ti | it'd be nice to speed up the searching. I'd happily sacrifice some memory for that. |
| 23:11.37 | pb_ | yah, I think the database is written to work with really huge numbers of tracks. |
| 23:11.55 | dc__ti | or...not. |
| 23:12.02 | dc__ti | it's pretty slow compared to iTunes. |
| 23:12.12 | dc__ti | but iTunes uses up almost all of my memory I guess. |
| 23:12.14 | moray | dc__ti: have you got a recent version there? they improved it a lot fairly recently |
| 23:12.25 | dc__ti | indeed. |
| 23:12.37 | dc__ti | 0.6.0 is allot fater than the 0.5.x |
| 23:12.46 | dc__ti | moray: assuming that's what you're using |
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| 23:18.02 | dc__ti | ah right. now I remember why I didn't compile from the tree. |
| 23:18.08 | dc__ti | it doesn't like my auto* |
| 23:18.22 | dc__ti | it seems debian isn't very up-to-date |
| 23:19.23 | moray | dc__ti: it's more likely you also have an old version of the tools installed which is still used by default |
| 23:19.37 | moray | dc__ti: the latest versions tend to be in packages with version numbers in their names |
| 23:19.39 | dc__ti | well. I compiled automake-1.7.2 to /usr/local |
| 23:19.50 | dc__ti | not sure if it likes the prefix though :-/ |
| 23:19.55 | florian | pb_: i just read a short report about unterpocket cf/usb in c't :-) |
| 23:20.11 | moray | dc__ti: right, I have automake 1.7.9 installed from the automake1.7 package |
| 23:20.19 | pb_ | florian: ah, excellent :-) |
| 23:20.24 | dc__ti | moray: to /usr/local |
| 23:20.41 | pb_ | dc__ti: it shouldn't matter where automake is, so long as it's on $PATH. |
| 23:20.45 | moray | dc__ti: I was suggesting you probably just need to install the latest Debian versions |
| 23:20.50 | moray | dc__ti: but yes, that ought to work |
| 23:21.11 | moray | dc__ti: however, if you *just* install it to /usr/local/ and don't touch anything else, things might still find an older version first |
| 23:22.34 | florian | pb_: well... good, but looks like they ran into some driver issues on zaurus 750 |
| 23:22.44 | dc__ti | right |
| 23:22.50 | pb_ | florian: ah, oh dear. |
| 23:22.54 | mallum | dc__ti: check that 'automake' points at automake-1.7 and not automake-1.4 |
| 23:23.41 | mallum | dc__ti: oh forget that |
| 23:24.23 | dc__ti | ah |
| 23:24.27 | dc__ti | that would be one's problem |
| 23:26.23 | florian | pb_: Looks like they had trouble with any hup they tried, a Minolta A1 digital camera and a zip drive. |
| 23:27.00 | pb_ | florian: hrm, strange. I'm fairly certain I tested two hubs and a zip drive (though not a Minolta camera) with my 750. |
| 23:28.57 | florian | pb_: nasty :-/ It would be interesting to find out what the state of their Zaurus was... |
| 23:29.38 | florian | The Minolta A1 would be a quite expensive toy to test USB devices :-) |
| 23:29.54 | pb_ | heh, yes. I could try it with my camera, but that's a Canon. |
| 23:30.56 | dc__ti | ah |
| 23:31.12 | dc__ti | what installs the gnome etc... .m4 files in /usr/share/aclocal |
| 23:31.39 | dc__ti | it seems it's complaining that some of the files there are from auto* 1.4 |
| 23:32.20 | mallum | dc__ti: gnome-*-dev packages |
| 23:32.40 | florian | pb_: At least it would be interesting to know what works and what not... a list of devices that are known to work would be cool. |
| 23:32.45 | dc__ti | so is it safe to copy the new files in /usr/local/share/aclocal to /usr/share/aclocal? |
| 23:32.56 | pb_ | florian: yes, seems like a good idea |
| 23:33.02 | dc__ti | obviously that won't affect and of the gnome packages.. |
| 23:33.04 | mallum | dc__ti: ewe, dunno |
| 23:33.21 | pb_ | dc__ti: yeah, should be ok |
| 23:33.31 | mallum | dc__ti: what are you trying to build ? |
| 23:33.37 | dc__ti | rhythmbox |
| 23:33.44 | mallum | dc__ti: from cvs ? |
| 23:33.49 | dc__ti | indeed. |
| 23:33.54 | dc__ti | or arch as they use. |
| 23:34.10 | mallum | dc__ti: on debian ? |
| 23:34.53 | dc__ti | indeed. |
| 23:34.56 | dc__ti | on powerbook. |
| 23:35.02 | dc__ti | which makes it all so interesting |
| 23:35.09 | mallum | dc__ti: why do you not install debians automake-1.7 ? |
| 23:35.10 | dc__ti | although not as much as trying to copmile mono |
| 23:35.32 | dc__ti | :-. |
| 23:35.39 | dc__ti | dear god. I guess I was blind before. |
| 23:35.51 | dc__ti | I swear I couln't find the package. |
| 23:35.53 | dc__ti | bizzare. |
| 23:36.14 | mallum | dc__ti: install 1.7, use update-alternatives to make sure automake points at 1.7 |
| 23:36.47 | mallum | dc__ti: install various gnome dev packages which looks like rythmbox dependant on and you should be good to go |
| 23:37.04 | dc__ti | right! |
| 23:42.43 | mallum | pb_: did you catch my question about defualt panel app ordering ? |
| 23:44.53 | pb_ | mallum: ah, I see it in the scrollback. yes, that sounds like a nice idea. |
| 23:45.28 | mallum | pb_: can you remind me where I find the defualt gpe list in cvs ? |
| 23:45.52 | pb_ | gpe/base/gpe-login/standard.mbdock is the file you need. |
| 23:46.06 | mallum | cool, thx |