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| 00:59.18 | pattieja | hello |
| 00:59.45 | pattieja | anybody know where to get Xsettings for Debian build environment? |
| 01:00.49 | pattieja | I'm getting an error compiling CVS telling me that "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXsettings" |
| 01:01.11 | moray | pattieja: I don't think there's a Debian package for it, so you just need to use the version from GPE CVS or the release from freedesktop.org |
| 01:01.39 | pattieja | moray: hmm. do I just do another checkout? |
| 01:01.51 | pattieja | what's the CVS repository name? |
| 01:02.44 | moray | pattieja: it's in the gpe sources |
| 01:02.56 | moray | under base/libxsettings and base/libxsettings-client |
| 01:03.44 | pattieja | thanks |
| 01:03.45 | pattieja | found it |
| 01:04.12 | pattieja | can it not figure that out? or do I have to install that? |
| 01:04.58 | moray | I'm surprised that if you built from GPE CVS it didn't just find it - you shouldn't need to install it, but you might need to build in that directory manually first |
| 01:05.21 | pattieja | moray: ok |
| 01:05.32 | moray | same goes for any other libraries there - just run 'make' in their directories if they're not found and try again |
| 01:06.06 | pattieja | moray: it's bombing on trying to compile libxsettings-client |
| 01:06.23 | pattieja | moray: the directory right before that one is the libxsettings directory |
| 01:06.32 | pattieja | which currently has a libXsettings.so.0 file in it |
| 01:06.36 | pattieja | do I need something more? |
| 01:07.14 | moray | hm, it sounds like it should be working; hard to debug from here :/ |
| 01:07.45 | pattieja | it's working now |
| 01:07.53 | moray | aha |
| 01:07.54 | pattieja | I went into libxsettings and did 'make' manually |
| 01:08.09 | pattieja | it created a symlink to libXsettings.so -> libXsettings.so.0 |
| 01:08.12 | pattieja | and then it worked |
| 01:08.37 | pattieja | now I'm getting a compiler error that gcrypt.h is not being found |
| 01:08.51 | pattieja | ooh. displaymigration. What's thatt? |
| 01:08.56 | pattieja | s/thatt/that/ |
| 01:12.13 | pattieja | moray: gcrypt.h. any ideas? |
| 01:12.34 | pattieja | quick google brings up that it might be in the gnupg project |
| 01:12.51 | pattieja | but I don't have any -dev packages for gnupg under Debian (that I can see) |
| 01:13.21 | moray | dpkg -S gcrypt.h |
| 01:13.21 | moray | libgcrypt-dev: /usr/include/gcrypt.h |
| 01:13.55 | pattieja | ahh. thanks |
| 01:14.16 | pattieja | what's it used for in GPE? |
| 01:14.28 | moray | btw, normally you can use packages.debian.org to do searches like that, but I think it's still down |
| 01:15.16 | moray | libdisplaymigration uses it for, surprisingly enough, encryption; not sure about anything else |
| 01:22.56 | pattieja | cool |
| 01:23.17 | pattieja | now I'm getting an error "splash.c:46: error: storage size of `curs' isn't known" |
| 01:25.42 | pattieja | hmm. appears to be something to do with the frame buffer |
| 01:26.11 | pattieja | and it seems that it should be being supplied by the linux kernel headers |
| 01:26.21 | moray | #include <linux/fb.h> |
| 01:26.56 | moray | in the linux-kernel-headers package I think |
| 01:27.05 | pattieja | moray: it's already in splash.c |
| 01:27.34 | moray | actually, it's possible it would require the ARM kernel headers of course |
| 01:27.47 | pattieja | apt-get tells me it's already the newest version |
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| 01:27.51 | moray | or at least, not whatever ones happen to be in Debian now |
| 01:27.52 | pattieja | ouch |
| 01:28.02 | moray | what are you trying to build on / for? |
| 01:28.06 | pattieja | I'm attempting to compile GPE for an i386 architecture |
| 01:28.14 | moray | if this is a Debian machine, I doubt you need the splashscreen, though |
| 01:28.18 | moray | since it probably won't work |
| 01:28.28 | pattieja | I have a Compaq iPAQ IA-1 |
| 01:28.36 | moray | it's designed to write a 320x240 image directly to the framebuffer |
| 01:28.37 | pattieja | but, yes, I am building on a Debian laptop |
| 01:28.48 | pattieja | moray: I noticed that (sortof) |
| 01:29.12 | pattieja | it #define's SIZE to be 240 * 320 * 2 |
| 01:29.37 | pattieja | I guess I would need to increase that to 800 * 600 * 2 or similar? |
| 01:29.48 | moray | and create a new image, and be lucky :) |
| 01:30.08 | pattieja | oh |
| 01:30.42 | pattieja | or I guess there could be this really tiny "desktop" on the 10.4" passive matrix display |
| 01:30.43 | pattieja | :) |
| 01:30.56 | pattieja | who's native resolution is 800x600 |
| 01:31.01 | moray | actually, I'm not sure the fb_cursorstate thing is even used? |
| 01:31.15 | moray | try just commenting it out - at worst you'll also need to comment out the other cursor stuff |
| 01:31.48 | moray | pattieja: with the way it writes into the framebuffer you'd just get a mess of colours at the top of the screen, I think |
| 01:32.41 | pattieja | ahh. fb_cursorstate does not exist in the .../linux/fb.h file |
| 01:32.57 | pattieja | that doesn't mean that it isn't include'd from somewhere else, though |
| 01:33.00 | pattieja | in that file |
| 01:33.02 | pattieja | fb.h |
| 01:33.16 | moray | <moray> actually, I'm not sure the fb_cursorstate thing is even used? |
| 01:33.17 | moray | <moray> try just commenting it out - at worst you'll also need to comment out the other cursor stuff |
| 01:33.52 | pattieja | cool. it's compiling |
| 01:34.04 | pattieja | it doesn't appear to be used at all |
| 01:34.05 | pattieja | thanks |
| 01:35.32 | pattieja | what is intltool-merge |
| 01:35.35 | pattieja | ? |
| 01:36.10 | moray | something intltool provides :p |
| 01:36.28 | moray | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.28 | moray | intltool-merge (8) - merge translated strings into various types of file |
| 01:36.29 | pattieja | hmm. apt-cache search intltool-merge didn't show anything up |
| 01:36.45 | moray | 'apt-cache search' just searches package descriptions, not contents |
| 01:36.47 | pattieja | is that a 'one' or an 'l' |
| 01:36.48 | pattieja | ? |
| 01:36.52 | moray | l |
| 01:36.53 | moray | L |
| 01:36.57 | pattieja | :) |
| 01:36.59 | pattieja | k |
| 01:37.06 | moray | get a better font :p |
| 01:37.28 | moray | (here the 1 is serifed and the l not, in Bitstream Vera) |
| 01:37.46 | pattieja | ahh. I can tell the difference between 1 and l |
| 01:38.04 | pattieja | the 1 has the off shoot hanging down at an angle, and the l does not |
| 01:39.06 | pattieja | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `po/cs.po', needed by `po/cs.po8'. Stop. |
| 01:39.08 | pattieja | :( |
| 01:39.48 | pattieja | moray: how successful do you think compiling GPE against uClibc will be? |
| 01:40.03 | moray | don't know, depends how uclibc has come on recently |
| 01:41.46 | pattieja | moray: how do I get around the above error message? |
| 01:41.59 | moray | what are you getting that from? |
| 01:42.32 | pattieja | make |
| 01:42.40 | pattieja | when it gets into the gpe-contacts directory |
| 01:42.58 | pattieja | there is no po/cs.po file in that directory, only de.po and sv.po |
| 01:43.10 | moray | hm |
| 01:43.17 | moray | edit Makefile and remove cs from 'LINGUAS' |
| 01:43.47 | pattieja | what caused that? |
| 01:44.06 | moray | someone not checking in the translation, probably |
| 01:44.17 | moray | I've fixed it in CVS for now by removing that |
| 01:44.28 | pattieja | it's in gpe-edit as well |
| 01:45.24 | moray | same thing, again have 'fixed' in CVS now |
| 01:46.20 | pattieja | yick |
| 01:46.26 | pattieja | all the gnome2 stuff has to be installed |
| 01:46.38 | pattieja | I hope I don't run out of hard drive space |
| 01:48.20 | pattieja | uggh. gpe-logout.desktop needs cs.po too |
| 01:48.49 | pattieja | and fr.po |
| 01:48.52 | moray | It rather sounds like someone has tried to add these translations but forgotten to 'cvs add' them |
| 01:48.59 | moray | just edit LINGUAS appropriately |
| 01:49.11 | moray | I'm not sure it's worth me 'fixing' more of CVS since the translations probably do exist somewhere |
| 01:49.58 | pattieja | k |
| 01:50.12 | pattieja | hmm. libgstreamer needed. installed |
| 01:50.26 | pattieja | little by little, I'm getting there |
| 01:53.08 | pattieja | now I'm getting: install -D src/gpe-sketchbook /usr/src/gpe_cvs/gpe/base/tmp_install/usr/local/bin/gpe-sketchbook |
| 01:53.20 | pattieja | install: cannot stat `src/gpe-sketchbook': No such file or directory |
| 01:53.36 | pattieja | make[1]: *** [install-program] Error 1 |
| 01:55.00 | moray | sounds like gpe-sketchbook failed to build? |
| 01:55.05 | pattieja | prolly |
| 01:55.08 | pattieja | checking |
| 01:56.00 | pattieja | yep |
| 01:56.06 | pattieja | can't find gpe/init.h |
| 01:56.11 | pattieja | and gpe/pixmaps.h |
| 01:59.22 | pattieja | hmm. doesn't look like it can find those libraries, maybe a "gpe" symlink into that directory from .../libgpewidget/gpe? |
| 01:59.49 | moray | (got to go) |
| 02:04.40 | pattieja | k. thanks for your help |
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| 02:26.03 | pattieja | hmm |
| 02:26.10 | pattieja | mbpixbuf.h not found |
| 02:26.41 | pattieja | I'm thinking it has something to do with matchbox |
| 02:26.48 | pattieja | but where do I get that? |
| 02:28.26 | pattieja | thanks for all your help |
| 02:28.28 | pattieja | see you later |
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| 06:37.15 | florian_kc | good norning |
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| 08:13.02 | florian_kc | hi paul |
| 08:13.35 | paul | morgen florian |
| 08:13.49 | paul | i gather RMS is impressed with GPE |
| 08:14.54 | paul | he must have heard about at some recent GTK/GNOME/FDO thingy... |
| 08:15.44 | florian_kc | Maybe he heared this talk :-) Where did you find this info? |
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| 09:03.15 | tigert | Nat mentioned gpe in his gnome summit "keynote" |
| 09:05.59 | florian_kc | Ahh... this crates motivation :-)) |
| 09:06.15 | florian_kc | morning tigert |
| 09:14.13 | tigert | morning |
| 09:14.19 | tigert | and time to go to a nap |
| 09:14.21 | tigert | jetlag sucks |
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| 10:40.41 | florian | re |
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| 12:59.00 | florian | bbl |
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| 14:23.38 | TyggerBob | rehi |
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| 14:27.03 | dc_ti | yo |
| 14:28.03 | mallum | dc_ti: HELLLLLLLLLLO |
| 14:28.29 | dc_ti | HALO! |
| 14:28.40 | moray | mallum has a halo? |
| 14:28.41 | dc_ti | yay, halo comes out for Mac on 3rd Dec |
| 14:28.52 | moray | aha |
| 14:28.57 | dc_ti | hehe |
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| 14:29.53 | mallum | dc_ti: XIII is out friday |
| 14:30.06 | dc_ti | oooooooh :-] |
| 14:30.33 | mallum | and I been playing tonys hawks underground all week |
| 14:30.39 | dc_ti | uuber |
| 14:30.49 | dc_ti | what fun |
| 14:40.47 | mallum | hmm, I just noticed my charge light isn't coming on on my 3800, does that mean its battery is toast ? |
| 14:46.06 | mallum | how annoying |
| 14:53.11 | dc_ti | :-/ |
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| 14:57.42 | mallum | arg the battery is not retaining any charge |
| 14:57.45 | mallum | piece of shit |
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| 14:58.17 | mallum | jg: do the batterys just stop working on ipaqs sometimes ? |
| 14:58.33 | pattieja | morning __moray |
| 14:58.38 | pattieja | morning all |
| 14:58.55 | jg | mallum: sometimes. Have you run the battery completely flat? |
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| 14:58.57 | TyggerBob | Mallum: did you leave your iPAQ on for a while and now it won't charge? |
| 14:59.47 | mallum | TyggerBob: yes |
| 15:00.30 | mallum | TyggerBob: of course I couldn't turn it off as an ipkg upgrade had turned it useless on reboot |
| 15:00.31 | TyggerBob | Mallum: I did the same thing, and it seemed like it wasnsn't charging, but it was. It took about two hours before it registered anything, though |
| 15:00.48 | jg | Lithium Ion batteries can be put into a metastable state where they won't charge if they are run *completely* flat..... |
| 15:00.50 | mallum | TyggerBob: was the charge light off ? |
| 15:00.57 | TyggerBob | Mallum: yes |
| 15:01.18 | pattieja | I have a feeling that I'm really close to getting GPE compiled on my Debian laptop |
| 15:01.20 | TyggerBob | do you have an expansion pack with a battery in it perchance? |
| 15:01.25 | mallum | jg: doh, suxors |
| 15:01.29 | mallum | TyggerBob: yeah |
| 15:01.30 | pattieja | but I'm running into an issue with mb/mbpixbuf.h not being found |
| 15:01.47 | TyggerBob | When you put the expack on, does the light on the back of blink? |
| 15:01.50 | mallum | pattieja: you probably need to install matchbox. |
| 15:01.52 | Lyncus | can anyone help me to enable russian locale, please? |
| 15:01.52 | pattieja | anybody know where I can get that file? it seems to be part of the matchbox package, but I can't find it |
| 15:02.02 | pattieja | mallum: where's that? |
| 15:02.10 | mallum | TyggerBob: yeah |
| 15:02.21 | mallum | pattieja: you need to build and install matchbox |
| 15:02.33 | pattieja | mallum: k. where do I get it? CVS? |
| 15:02.41 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 15:02.43 | | i heard matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 15:02.43 | TyggerBob | Mallum: that's what happened with me.. leave it for a while and try it then. |
| 15:02.55 | mallum | TyggerBob: okey, thanks for your advice |
| 15:03.08 | jg | mallum: you have nothing to lose by trying... |
| 15:03.10 | pattieja | oh. I just did an apt-cache search matchbox and it showed up. cool |
| 15:03.11 | TyggerBob | Scared the crap out of me, but I just wasn't patient enough... |
| 15:03.24 | TyggerBob | kept checking and nothing was happening.. |
| 15:03.29 | mallum | Im never patient ;-) |
| 15:03.35 | TyggerBob | put it aside for a while and came back and it booted ok.. |
| 15:03.38 | TyggerBob | me neither :) |
| 15:03.47 | pattieja | mallum: will it be enough to install the Debian package? or do I need the source as well? There does not appear to be any matchbox-dev packages, etc. |
| 15:03.53 | TyggerBob | and when it booted, the light came on.. happy day |
| 15:04.10 | mallum | pattieja: Id install from source, the debian packages are a bit crappy ( hassle prh ) |
| 15:04.43 | mallum | jg: is it possible the battery can stay for ever in its metastable state ? |
| 15:05.19 | TyggerBob | any sqlite wiz's here? |
| 15:05.58 | jg | mallum: yes. |
| 15:06.07 | mallum | jg: oh great :/ |
| 15:06.08 | jg | mallum: don't run Li batteries flat. |
| 15:06.12 | jg | Bad idea.... |
| 15:06.16 | pattieja | mallum: k |
| 15:07.14 | mallum | jg: the hardware should protect itself |
| 15:07.26 | jg | mallum: only possible to a degree.... |
| 15:07.31 | pattieja | mallum: on your matchbox website, you might want to fix the spelling of disabilities |
| 15:07.35 | pattieja | :) |
| 15:08.00 | jg | on the 3600's there is a slide switch to disconnect the battery. Charged it will be ok for many months (the leakage in Li batteries is low). |
| 15:08.48 | florian_kc | re |
| 15:09.38 | mallum | jg: yeah I guess I'll have to dig out the 3600 in a mo and flash that |
| 15:09.55 | pattieja | We've got a 3670 |
| 15:10.38 | mallum | jg: it does seem like a pretty bad design fualt if you can kill the device by letting batterys run flat |
| 15:10.50 | mallum | jg: it was only about a week ago I used it last |
| 15:11.00 | jg | mallum: that just sounds like the battery died.... |
| 15:11.17 | jg | mallum: alot of this has to do with the physics of Li batteries... |
| 15:12.35 | mallum | jg: how depressing :/ |
| 15:12.41 | jg | mallum: yup. |
| 15:12.55 | jg | mallum: part of why the later models have swappable battery modules. |
| 15:13.05 | mallum | jg: 54xx's ? |
| 15:13.09 | jg | mallum: having to send in a unit to get a battery fixed is a bummer. |
| 15:13.14 | jg | mallum: yes, among others. |
| 15:13.32 | mallum | jg: 54xx's work ok with Linux now right ? |
| 15:13.38 | jg | not to mention the utility of being able to swap batteries. |
| 15:13.52 | jg | 5400's work passably well now, though some more work is needed. |
| 15:14.49 | TyggerBob | Yeah.. but big one is the recovery from suspend |
| 15:15.02 | TyggerBob | That and sd/mmc support |
| 15:15.27 | TyggerBob | once those are available, I can live with any other little idiosyncrancies |
| 15:19.08 | mallum | well my trust 3660 still lives :-) |
| 15:19.23 | TyggerBob | it charging now? |
| 15:19.46 | mallum | no 3870 is still dead ( though plugged into power ) |
| 15:19.52 | TyggerBob | ahhh |
| 15:19.53 | TyggerBob | ok |
| 15:20.18 | mallum | TyggerBob: I have a box of pda's :/ |
| 15:21.53 | mallum | Only one of thems really any good ;-) |
| 15:22.23 | mallum | I have a c700 to trade though :-) |
| 15:29.08 | Lyncus | can anyone help with locales? I could configure it on familiar v7.0. |
| 15:29.48 | Lyncus | but on v0.7.2 I can't |
| 15:30.15 | florian_kc | This is bad... what goes wrong? |
| 15:31.06 | Lyncus | at first I can't make "russian" appear in Language box in gpe-login |
| 15:32.16 | florian_kc | Okay... let me try this... |
| 15:33.45 | florian_kc | Oh... |
| 15:34.14 | florian_kc | well looks like something changed or is wrong |
| 15:34.21 | florian_kc | This is what i see: |
| 15:34.56 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13024.png |
| 15:36.58 | Lyncus | I'd better ask another question :)) where can I find a full description on how to create/extract *.ipk files? |
| 15:37.08 | Lyncus | And I'll try to find out myself :) |
| 15:39.42 | florian_kc | I'd ask for documentation for myself... nut sure about that. But basically handling ipks is easy: |
| 15:40.24 | florian_kc | ipkg-build creates a package, it is in ipkg-utils cvs. |
| 15:41.15 | florian_kc | An ipkg is actually a simple archive, you may unpack it with "ar -x" |
| 15:42.04 | TyggerBob | Florian_ks: Hi |
| 15:42.11 | Lyncus | ok I'll try :) |
| 15:42.20 | florian_kc | hi TyggerBob |
| 15:43.11 | TyggerBob | Anyone here use ipkg-link? |
| 15:43.37 | TyggerBob | do you do this after you've installed using ipkg -d DEST <package>? |
| 15:44.50 | florian_kc | here is some doc... some parts seem to be not perfectly up to date. http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG |
| 15:44.59 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: not really... |
| 15:47.15 | TyggerBob | Ok.. what does that mean? |
| 15:47.53 | TyggerBob | I installed python2.3 on my cf card using ipkg -d ext install pyth... |
| 15:47.55 | TyggerBob | that worked. |
| 15:48.12 | TyggerBob | unfortunately, pyth-sqlite can't find the dependencies |
| 15:48.32 | TyggerBob | I looked throught the archives and found a reference to ipkg-link, which seemed to be the answer. |
| 15:48.48 | florian_kc | Ah ok... |
| 15:49.42 | TyggerBob | but alas.. it doesn't seem to solve the problem |
| 15:50.27 | TyggerBob | i did a ipkg-link add python2.3 and it finds it on /mnt/hda and adds it, but when I go to install the sqlite module, it cacks again |
| 15:51.22 | florian_kc | What does "ipkg status" tell you for the dependencies of this sqlite module? |
| 15:51.44 | Lyncus | florian_kc, can I create packages on another platform? |
| 15:52.55 | florian_kc | Lyncus: Yes sure - iirc most of these ipkg-utils are python scripts. |
| 15:53.59 | florian_kc | Lyncus: But you need to build your binaries for the correct arch... the arch if the ipkg is specified by the control file. |
| 15:54.49 | Lyncus | Sure :) I won't include any binaries yet :) |
| 15:55.55 | florian_kc | Ok, that this is easy :-) then specify "all" or "any" for arch. |
| 15:58.04 | TyggerBob | Florian_kc: ipkg status doesn't give me anything, because it's not installed yet.. |
| 15:58.37 | TyggerBob | I also tried ipkg whatdependsreq and ipkg whatdepends |
| 15:58.42 | TyggerBob | not sure what command to use |
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| 16:00.09 | florian_kc | I think "whatdepends" is ok |
| 16:00.25 | florian_kc | dc__ti: hi |
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| 16:01.51 | TyggerBob | florian_kc: doesn't show anything, but when I do an ipkg install, it says it can't find dependencies python-core python-re python-lang |
| 16:02.06 | TyggerBob | but they were included in the python2.3 install |
| 16:05.39 | florian_kc | then try "ipkg status python-core" |
| 16:10.30 | TyggerBob | hmmm.. doesn't show up. |
| 16:10.56 | TyggerBob | by the way.. is there any nice gtk gui front end for the sqlite client? |
| 16:12.22 | florian_kc | hmm... strange, this is maybe a bug in ipkg :-/ |
| 16:12.59 | mallum | a bug in ipkg ! how unusual |
| 16:13.07 | pattieja | mallum: thanks for the help. I got GPE compiled, now. Amazing that the entire 'base' compiled installation is only 2.4M |
| 16:13.44 | mallum | pattieja: cool |
| 16:14.09 | florian_kc | cool |
| 16:15.25 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: There is a basic frontend in progres... but i don't know about it's state. (Nils did this, it's in cvs) |
| 16:15.43 | mallum | florian_kc: we really need to convince someone to maintain ipkg |
| 16:16.46 | florian_kc | mallum: Yes, that's true... i hope i have the chance to fix bugs while hacking the library. |
| 16:17.51 | mallum | woohoo, another ipkg upgrade toasting |
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| 16:24.35 | florian_kc | Which packages provide virtual locales?! |
| 16:44.31 | mallum | whats the debian package minicom needs to be able to do ymodem transfers ? |
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| 17:52.03 | TyggerBob | florian_kc: how does gpe-beam work? |
| 17:52.24 | TyggerBob | I installed it but I don't see it anywhere except /usr/bin, |
| 17:52.32 | TyggerBob | and when I run it, it starts and goes away |
| 17:53.20 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: This is a dock app, select "Add" in dock bar menu :-) |
| 17:53.52 | TyggerBob | ok |
| 17:53.53 | TyggerBob | thanks |
| 17:54.02 | TyggerBob | what's it compatible with, for sending files? |
| 17:54.11 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: gpe-beam is everything than finished, but at least receiving files seems to work fine. |
| 17:54.27 | TyggerBob | ok |
| 17:54.42 | TyggerBob | can it receive files from say, a Windoze notebook? |
| 17:55.17 | florian_kc | I think so, if your app supports irobex... |
| 17:55.57 | florian_kc | e.g. receiving vcards from nokia cellphones works fine :-) |
| 17:56.44 | florian_kc | aborting send is broken and there seems to be a problem sending at least on h38xx |
| 18:02.46 | TyggerBob | sending doesn't seem to work on the 5450, either. |
| 18:04.23 | florian_kc | Ok, i don't know if irda support is finished in 54xx |
| 18:04.36 | TyggerBob | Cool.. |
| 18:04.40 | TyggerBob | Looks great though.. |
| 18:04.48 | TyggerBob | it'll be nice when that's working. :) |
| 18:04.55 | TyggerBob | thank for what you've done so far, though. |
| 18:06.02 | TyggerBob | Do you find that prismstumbler, er, stumbles after a while? |
| 18:06.30 | TyggerBob | It's scanning fine, but if it doesn't see anything for a while, it seems to stop looking |
| 18:07.07 | florian_kc | Not really... which card/driver did you use? |
| 18:07.19 | TyggerBob | WCF12 with Hostap |
| 18:08.03 | florian_kc | Hmm... if you have a dhcp client running this may happen... |
| 18:08.23 | TyggerBob | on the ipaq? |
| 18:08.35 | TyggerBob | the WLAN1 is set to static. |
| 18:08.37 | florian_kc | yep |
| 18:08.51 | florian_kc | hmm... strange... |
| 18:09.12 | florian_kc | It shouldn't happen... did this happen more than one time? |
| 18:09.43 | TyggerBob | yes.. everytime.. |
| 18:10.06 | mallum | florian_kc: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18729.png |
| 18:10.16 | mallum | florian_kc: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18809.png |
| 18:10.30 | mallum | florian_kc: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19044.png |
| 18:11.19 | florian_kc | Then this is a bug, i'd need to find out what is broken... |
| 18:11.28 | florian_kc | but first i need to go home... |
| 18:11.40 | TyggerBob | any debug settings that I can use to get you info? |
| 18:13.02 | TyggerBob | no crisis here.. just letting you know. |
| 18:13.13 | TyggerBob | If there's anything I can do to help troubleshoot, let me know |
| 18:13.28 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: Maybe check what the state of the device is when this happens (should be up). look at the log (logread) to find out if there are any messages after prismstumbler starts scan. |
| 18:13.44 | florian_kc | mallum: looks cool! what about speed? |
| 18:14.03 | mallum | florian_kc: more than acceptable |
| 18:14.06 | TyggerBob | Mallum: what's that stuff? |
| 18:14.26 | mallum | florian_kc: Id say pretty good actually. maybe no difference |
| 18:14.44 | florian_kc | mallum: very nice :-) |
| 18:14.44 | mallum | florian_kc: Im really chuffed |
| 18:15.14 | florian_kc | mallum: i need to check this out... :-) |
| 18:17.20 | mallum | TyggerBob: see xserver.freedesktop.org |
| 18:20.19 | TyggerBob | looks interesting... |
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| 18:41.02 | florian | re |
| 18:47.33 | TyggerBob | rehi |
| 18:58.59 | TyggerBob | Florian.. not seeing much in the logreader about the PrismStumbler problem. |
| 18:59.39 | TyggerBob | I see it enabling Monitor mode and then entering Promiscuous mode, but that's the last entry |
| 19:02.20 | florian | TyggerBob: Is the device still up when receiving packets stops? |
| 19:03.06 | TyggerBob | seems to be.. the light is still flashing on the WCF12 |
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| 19:23.21 | florian | hmm... i need to try this with a similar card here. |
| 19:24.31 | TyggerBob | I'll try it with my orninoco gold card, too.. but I have to take it out of my notebook here :) No ethernet drop in the dining room :( |
| 19:33.05 | florian | hehe |
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| 19:55.48 | Tyg_w_babies | Rehi |
| 19:57.09 | Tygger_Bob | Florian: I don't seem to have that problem with my Orinoco card using the orinoco_cs driver. so far, anyway |
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| 20:04.04 | Tygger_Bob | Florian: it's a card problem. |
| 20:04.42 | Tygger_Bob | I took that card and put it in my notebook while I was doing the test and the connection died after about the same amount of time. |
| 20:05.04 | Tygger_Bob | Meanwhile the orinoco card kept chugging along in the ipaq with no problems. |
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| 20:33.07 | florian | TyggerBob: Then i think this is a driver issue :-/ |
| 20:35.54 | TyggerBob | Something with the hostap driver? |
| 20:36.02 | TyggerBob | or the card firmware? |
| 20:37.16 | TyggerBob | Either way, it's no biggy for me.. I'll just stick to my Orinoco card when I'm 'warwalkin' |
| 20:37.55 | TyggerBob | hehehe.. compiling ethereal on the skiffs.. might be a new version out by the time I'm done :) |
| 20:40.38 | florian | Maybe an incompatibility between them, hostap is not completely bugfree. It might be an idea to try updating the cards firmware... the tools for hostap should be able to do this. |
| 20:41.28 | florian | But i definitely have one card with quite old firmware that is definitely very buggy. |
| 20:41.57 | florian | Oh - a package of this would be cool :-) |
| 20:42.47 | TyggerBob | I don't think linksys has updated firmware for the card, but I'll send them a email about it. |
| 20:43.33 | florian | It could be a nice idea to adapt nmap gtk interface to ipaq... this network tools could turn the ipaq into a cool small network analyser :-) |
| 20:44.08 | florian | There us usually some other firmware that works... i think pb_ has some experience with this. |
| 20:44.32 | TyggerBob | if you're interested, I also have ettercap, hping2, sing, amap, the latest nmap, hjksuite, and hunt compiled for familiar |
| 20:44.50 | TyggerBob | oh yeah, and a working nessus |
| 20:45.04 | TyggerBob | but only with a commandline client (for batch scans) |
| 20:45.50 | TyggerBob | haven't gotten around to making ipk's for them yet. |
| 20:46.05 | florian | oh nice :-) |
| 20:46.28 | florian | ipks are quite easy: manually it works in this way: |
| 20:46.47 | florian | crosscompile with prefix /usr |
| 20:47.12 | TyggerBob | Someone already has php gui for nmap.. there's an ipk for it |
| 20:47.27 | TyggerBob | hmm. won't that put it in the usr dir on my debian box? |
| 20:48.13 | florian | install the software to an empty directory (usually by "make DESTDIR=<dir>") |
| 20:48.21 | TyggerBob | ahhhhh |
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| 20:48.38 | florian | it is not called destdir every time |
| 20:48.43 | florian | ed DESTDIR |
| 20:49.02 | TyggerBob | but doesn't the prefix parameter tell it to look for libs etc in /usr/lib during the compile? |
| 20:49.18 | TyggerBob | or usr/include for headers? |
| 20:49.42 | mallum | hi |
| 20:49.53 | TyggerBob | Hiya Mallum |
| 20:50.18 | mallum | florian: what is gpe-plucker based on ? |
| 20:50.24 | mallum | hey TyggerBob |
| 20:51.13 | florian | Usually not, PREFIX is used to set pathes for the target - CFLAGS tells the compiler the settings for compiling. |
| 20:51.20 | florian | hi mallum |
| 20:51.24 | TyggerBob | Mallum, there's a plucker at http://www.plkr.org/index.plkr |
| 20:51.34 | TyggerBob | looks like it's based on that |
| 20:52.07 | florian | mallum: The plucker stuff seems to come with a gtk demo app, iirc Nils used this... |
| 20:52.16 | mallum | aha |
| 20:52.20 | mallum | nicely spotted |
| 20:52.54 | florian | TyggerBob: Usually you create a target dir and a subdir "dist" where dist is the directory to install the stuff to. |
| 20:53.32 | TyggerBob | I have a directory called /ipaq that I do the make DESTDIR=/ipaq install to after I compile |
| 20:54.02 | TyggerBob | I really need to get my cross-compiling environment sorted out and learn what the heck I'm doing. |
| 20:54.16 | florian | then create a control file (adapt one from an other app) and place it in "ipaq". |
| 20:54.19 | TyggerBob | I've never been a programmer.. more of a configure/make/make install kind of guy |
| 20:54.59 | florian | eh sorry... ipaq/CONTROL/control |
| 20:55.27 | mallum | TyggerBob: I have a little script which converts autoconf using programs to ipkgs |
| 20:55.40 | TyggerBob | ok.. |
| 20:55.55 | florian | This plugger stuff is cool :-) |
| 20:56.07 | florian | Ah yes, this is nice! |
| 20:56.21 | TyggerBob | plugger or plucker? |
| 20:56.50 | TyggerBob | oh. the plugins for mozilla? |
| 20:57.17 | TyggerBob | What do you guys recommend for a cross compiler. |
| 20:57.32 | florian | TyggerBob: If you have ipaq/CONTROL/control and your files in ipaq/dist you only need to run "make-ipkg ipaq" |
| 20:57.39 | florian | sorry plucker |
| 20:57.55 | TyggerBob | I'm using Jacques tarball that I found the link to at hh.org |
| 20:58.16 | TyggerBob | but I'm constantly running into problems with GTK enabled apps.. |
| 20:58.34 | florian | TyggerBob: For gpe there is this one which has some minor bugs and slightly outdated gcc: |
| 20:58.47 | TyggerBob | and and apps that require certain libraries to be installed. |
| 20:59.08 | florian | http://handhelds.org/~nils/skiff-arm-cross-gtk-2.2-idoru-030928.tar.bz2 |
| 20:59.28 | mallum | would a fork of plucker be called fucker ? |
| 20:59.55 | TyggerBob | I'm assuming that these need to be arm compiled libraries installed in /usr/local/arm on the crosscompiling box, eh? |
| 21:00.04 | TyggerBob | or a plucker document about your mother? |
| 21:00.13 | TyggerBob | what would that be? |
| 21:00.36 | florian | mallum: You sound more and more like mEngel ;-) |
| 21:02.11 | mallum | who's mengel ? |
| 21:02.15 | mallum | mudapluka |
| 21:02.21 | TyggerBob | hehehe |
| 21:02.31 | TyggerBob | Yah... ethereal compile is still chugging along |
| 21:02.47 | florian | mallum: imho it should be known as flucker... but i'm not sure if this has a meaning ;-) |
| 21:04.51 | florian | mallum: A guy i know from our local LUG... he did some linux mips and alpha hacking some time ago. |
| 21:05.20 | florian | (imho the only one who had linux running on a DEC 3000 300 machine) |
| 21:06.26 | TyggerBob | Florian: just to clarify. If I cross-compile an app that needs GTK, do I already have had to cross-compiled GTK for ARM and installed it somewhere on my debian x86 machine? |
| 21:06.59 | TyggerBob | or can it use the Debian GTK stuff in /usr/lib? |
| 21:07.12 | mallum | florian: The initial startup conf when you first flash GPE is really nice btw |
| 21:07.15 | TyggerBob | sorry for the SFQ's but I'm still new to cross compiling? |
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| 21:15.00 | TyggerBob | gotta run |
| 21:15.31 | florian | TyggerBob: Yes, you need this for linking... this toolchain comes with most stuff you need :-) |
| 21:16.12 | florian | hi chrisime |
| 21:17.18 | florian | mallum: I only saw a very early version of this... i think it is a nice improvement (we become better and better ;-) |
| 21:17.35 | mallum | yeah its very nice |
| 21:18.01 | mallum | The panel apps are still added all wrongly so they end up the wrong order :/ |
| 21:18.15 | chrisime | florian, hi |
| 21:18.41 | florian | I think pb_ will know how to change this easily... |
| 21:18.51 | florian | btw... where is he?! |
| 21:19.35 | mallum | I think I need to create a matchbox-gpe package which sets up stuff like the panel |
| 21:20.03 | florian | This sounds like a good plan... |
| 21:20.47 | mallum | how come ? |
| 21:21.42 | florian | It is late and pb_ isn't here ;-) |
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| 21:27.09 | mallum | florian: ;-) |
| 21:27.24 | mallum | florian: there is much less stuff in the panel menu now too |
| 21:27.37 | mallum | :-) |
| 21:33.04 | mallum | florian: would you be interested in a patch to combine storage/usgae + battery info + show logs + ? into single tabbed config 'applet' |
| 21:37.05 | florian | mallum: This is quite interesting because i intend to split gpe-conf into three parts: |
| 21:37.11 | florian | - Config tools |
| 21:37.23 | florian | - Info applets |
| 21:37.31 | florian | - Package management |
| 21:40.11 | florian | I think i'll add a tool that shows kernel and familiar versions as well as some basic infos about the hardware. |
| 21:41.09 | mallum | yeah that could go in the same thing |
| 21:41.29 | mallum | A 'System Info' applet |
| 21:41.51 | moray | sounds quite sensible, yes |
| 21:42.15 | florian | exactly... this would clean up the "Settings" desktop and speed up startup for these tools. |
| 21:42.52 | florian | (smaller binaries, no fork for a suid task in info tool) |
| 21:43.30 | mallum | yeah it would begin to become much simpler |
| 21:44.07 | florian | I think this is a good solution for a small memory footprint and good easier maintainability. |
| 21:45.33 | mallum | yeah, and all the config apps ae really nice. I just think they can be presented better :-) |
| 21:46.41 | florian | Well... some could be improved - e.g. network config tool. |
| 21:47.31 | mallum | maybe screen and sleep config could be combined |
| 21:49.22 | florian | Yes, a kind of "power config"... |
| 21:49.50 | florian | And support for some other platforms would be cool... |
| 21:51.08 | mallum | florian: when we can use gconf, maybe we should hide certain 'expert' options away in there. Ie only editable by gconf-editor |
| 21:53.05 | florian | Yes, this would be cool... very 'gnomish' :-) |
| 21:54.06 | mallum | hmm, I must spend some time on xkbd |
| 21:54.22 | mallum | it should read the loacle and use a keyboard setup based on that automatically |
| 21:54.45 | moray | mallum: did you see matthew garrett did some work on a new GPE dasher? |
| 21:54.57 | mallum | dasher makes me sea sick |
| 21:54.58 | florian | This would be nice :-) |
| 21:55.00 | moray | mallum: it just has an xkbd-sized area with just the graphical bit |
| 21:55.14 | moray | mallum: (and writes straight into apps as you type) |
| 21:55.32 | moray | mallum: well, I'm unconvinced by *using* it myself, but people seem to like it ;) |
| 21:55.40 | mallum | moray: indeed ;-) |
| 21:55.48 | mallum | moray: does it end up in mbinputmgr ? |
| 21:56.09 | moray | mallum: I don't think he got that far - and he's been off at the GNOME summit in New York just now |
| 21:56.26 | moray | mallum: what needs to be done to make that happen? |
| 21:56.50 | mallum | florian: also apps like the 'root access' should just automatically summon the currently selected input method automatically |
| 21:57.17 | mallum | moray: it just needs to add a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/inputmethods |
| 21:58.59 | moray | mallum: ah right, sounds simple enough :) |
| 21:59.20 | moray | mallum: well, *everything* needing input should summon the input method.. |
| 21:59.33 | mallum | moray: right |
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| 22:00.33 | mallum | 24 time, bbiab |
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| 22:13.39 | florian | mallum: good idea :-) |
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