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| 02:30.51 | vvff | Has anybody got GPE working on the Zaurus? |
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| 07:58.10 | florian | hi all |
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| 08:35.53 | {HyGy} | re |
| 08:36.17 | florian | {HyGy}: wb+ |
| 08:38.22 | {HyGy} | florian |
| 08:38.42 | {HyGy} | florian can U help me a little? :) |
| 08:39.02 | {HyGy} | Description: GPE Word Processer can read and edit RTF files? |
| 08:39.17 | {HyGy} | and I cant found a sheet editor :) |
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| 08:42.21 | florian | {HyGy}: Sure... |
| 08:43.17 | florian | {HyGy}: Nope, gpe-word is in a very early stage of development... |
| 08:51.07 | florian | {HyGy}: Hmm... yes, we don't have one at the moment. It might be a good idea to look at some simple desktop apps to find one that is worth adapting to ipaq screen. |
| 08:53.23 | {HyGy} | so, there isnt a sheet editor, and a rich text word processor |
| 08:55.51 | florian | I'm not sure, i think jsmanrique worked with a sheet editor on his ipaq. But i don't know which software he used... |
| 09:25.20 | {HyGy} | whenn will be stable the gpe? |
| 10:00.26 | florian | The pieces of software that come with the install image are quite stable. Some other apps (like the word processor and sync tools) are still incomplete. |
| 10:00.30 | florian | Just at the moment many of the gpe developers don't havt that much time to work on this project. |
| 10:00.32 | florian | (but about some of us i know this will change soon :-)) |
| 10:00.59 | {HyGy} | who? |
| 10:06.15 | florian | At least for Nils and me :-) |
| 10:16.12 | pigeon | hello florian! |
| 10:16.48 | florian | pigeon: hi |
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| 11:10.21 | florian | bbl |
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| 13:17.41 | florian_kc | re |
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| 14:33.15 | mallum | florian_kc: heya |
| 14:33.32 | mallum | florian_kc: bring on the gpe mailing list wars !!! |
| 14:34.56 | florian_kc | mallum: hey |
| 14:35.48 | florian_kc | mallum: hehe... i thought everyone porting gpe to fb is nonsens ;-) |
| 14:36.59 | mallum | florian_kc: didn't people try and get the debian installer ported to directfb |
| 14:37.06 | mallum | florian_kc: wonder what happened to that |
| 14:39.28 | florian_kc | mallum: I have noo idea about that... but from what we know an optimized system based on X is more flexible and definitely not slower than fb. |
| 14:40.45 | mallum | florian_kc: yeah, I've noticed alot of people saying lately that opie is slower than gpe |
| 14:41.03 | florian_kc | At the moment at least opie feels a little bit faster... but not much - last time i tried was on a AMD mips PDA devel kit... which is definitely faster than any ipaq. |
| 14:41.52 | mallum | right |
| 14:42.04 | mallum | the new composite stuff makes X feel much faster |
| 14:43.00 | florian_kc | I think this is at least true for larger screens (e.g. Zaurus 7xx)... imho opie can't handle larger screens efficiently. |
| 14:44.20 | mallum | Yes, I think opie running on larger screens really shows its lack of flexibility and how much stuff is hardcoded |
| 14:44.28 | __moray | mallum: yes, as has been said what people 'feel' about display speed isn't the actual refresh rate |
| 14:45.13 | __moray | mallum: I agree about the flexibility etc. too - though we still have work to do in GPE to deal ideally with larger screens, obviously |
| 14:45.54 | __moray | I guess we can look forward to using Cairo for everything and screen resolution being someone else's problem ;)_ |
| 14:46.04 | florian_kc | eh yes, defintely... but we are working on it :-) |
| 14:46.43 | florian_kc | I scheduled familiar/GPE Simpad hacking for our next hacker meeting next week :-) |
| 14:47.22 | mallum | __moray: cairo is full of doubles ... |
| 14:47.34 | __moray | mallum: yeah :/ |
| 14:48.03 | mallum | __moray: but it probably wont be long before handhelds have fpu's |
| 14:48.14 | mallum | __moray: I think newest xscales now have mmx |
| 14:48.28 | __moray | We shouldn't assume the limitations of current iPAQs etc. last last for ever, certainly. |
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| 15:52.01 | TyggerBob | 'lo all |
| 15:59.54 | mallum | TyggerBob: hello |
| 16:27.22 | TyggerBob | Sorry Mallum.. work call. |
| 16:27.23 | TyggerBob | back again |
| 16:27.33 | TyggerBob | Mallum: how you doing? |
| 16:28.21 | mallum | TyggerBob: good good |
| 16:28.42 | TyggerBob | glad to hear it |
| 16:30.03 | TyggerBob | Mallum: whatcha working on? |
| 16:30.46 | mallum | TyggerBob: composite engine in matchbox |
| 16:34.08 | mallum | TyggerBob: http://www.freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/ |
| 16:37.44 | TyggerBob | cool |
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| 17:16.33 | TyggerBob | What's kc? |
| 17:19.46 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: A small company - kernel concepts |
| 17:20.26 | TyggerBob | ahhhh |
| 17:20.40 | TyggerBob | kind of like florian_working :) |
| 17:21.21 | florian_kc | exactly... :-) |
| 17:21.33 | florian_kc | mostly.... |
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| 18:53.52 | florian | re |
| 18:57.30 | TyggerBob | rehi Florian |
| 18:57.58 | TyggerBob | in your wireless exploits, have you seen any arm compiled versions of airsnort. |
| 18:58.00 | TyggerBob | ? |
| 18:58.11 | TyggerBob | when I try to compile it on the skiffs, I get this: |
| 18:58.11 | TyggerBob | cd . && /bin/sh ./config.status config.h |
| 18:58.11 | TyggerBob | Usage: ./config.status [--recheck] [--version] [--help] |
| 18:58.11 | TyggerBob | make: *** [stamp-h1] Error 1 |
| 19:02.07 | florian | hmm... yes, i remember someone did this... but this is some month ago. |
| 19:02.54 | florian | looks like some autostuff version problem :-/ |
| 19:04.13 | TyggerBob | yeah.. there's a autogen.sh script, but I used configure instead |
| 19:04.19 | TyggerBob | same problem |
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| 19:07.26 | __moray | Evening pb_ |
| 19:07.34 | pb_ | __moray: good evening! |
| 19:10.37 | florian | pb_: hello |
| 19:11.11 | TyggerBob | Hi Phil |
| 19:11.14 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 19:11.16 | TyggerBob | sorry.. |
| 19:11.16 | pb_ | hi TyggerBob |
| 19:11.29 | TyggerBob | I keep forgetting about the pb_: |
| 19:11.43 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:13.29 | TyggerBob | pb_: how's it going? |
| 19:13.48 | pb_ | pretty good |
| 19:14.44 | TyggerBob | glad to hear it |
| 19:15.40 | TyggerBob | just peachy |
| 19:17.05 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 19:21.20 | TyggerBob | and I'm trying to figure out how to compile airsnort on the skiffs in spite of itself |
| 19:24.40 | pb_ | so, yesterday a courier left a card at my house saying they'd tried to deliver a package while I was out. It said "your parcel will be available for collection at our depot after 6pm". This evening after work I went to the depot. Guess what time they close? |
| 19:26.20 | TyggerBob | heheheh |
| 19:26.47 | florian | grrr... |
| 19:26.49 | TyggerBob | of course |
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| 19:27.13 | TyggerBob | it's like the deliver guys that are to come between 2 and 5 and show up at 4:58 |
| 19:27.15 | florian | pb_: Time to start becoming a nasty customer ;-) |
| 19:28.18 | pb_ | florian: so it seems. |
| 19:28.23 | florian | I once got a card which told me "we will come back tomorrow bettween 10am and 6 pm" |
| 19:28.31 | pb_ | Tomorrow I will go there _before_ work! |
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| 21:53.54 | jodus | Hi, as far as i know based the gpe package on tiny XFREE. Which windows manager is used? |
| 21:54.34 | mallum | jodus: matchbox |
| 21:54.39 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 21:54.41 | | hmm... matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 21:55.45 | jodus | mallum: What is the memora footprint? Which devices are supported? I read something about ipaq ans simpad? |
| 21:56.00 | jodus | Sorry, i mean memory footprint. |
| 21:56.17 | mallum | jodus: depends on the build ops |
| 21:56.48 | mallum | jodus: if you build with --enable-standalone it will run in ~ under a meg |
| 21:57.19 | jodus | mallum: lets say i want an HTML 4.0 browser, an email client and something for playing multimedia? |
| 21:58.00 | mallum | jodus: matchbox just manages apps, it dont really provide any |
| 21:58.11 | mallum | jodus: is this for a simpad ? |
| 21:59.15 | jodus | No. At the moment we develop a pxa255 device. It will hopefully started at CeBit 2004. The first hardware arrived today. |
| 21:59.53 | jodus | But it is not working yet. The memory inside will be 512 Mbyte ROM (Flash) and 128 MByte RAM. |
| 21:59.54 | mallum | jodus: nice. what memory / flash ? |
| 22:00.17 | mallum | jodus: oh thats lots :-) |
| 22:01.05 | mallum | jodus: what kind of device is it ? |
| 22:01.38 | jodus | MS says it is a handheld pc. Not a pocket pc. |
| 22:02.01 | jodus | The display resolution will be 800x600, tft and 65k colors. |
| 22:03.03 | jodus | But the first step is winCE. Because there are some customers who want this. |
| 22:04.28 | moray | jodus: GPE in general is only tied to particular hardware in terms of what the kernel supports really |
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| 22:04.37 | jodus | we also developed a strangarm based device, which have the same hardware. 800x600, PCMCIA, CF-Card, IrDA, 32 MByte Flash and 64 MByte RAM. |
| 22:05.22 | jodus | But the price is to high for "normal" users (approx. 1500 Euro). And we have no working linux kernel for this. |
| 22:06.06 | jodus | can i download the whole gpe package for simpad at gpe home page? |
| 22:06.26 | mallum | jodus: depending on what you use your device for, 800x600 is a pretty large resolution for matchbox |
| 22:07.03 | jodus | yes, thats true. The device is for internet connectivity. |
| 22:07.11 | mallum | jodus: a desktop wm may be more suited |
| 22:07.58 | jodus | Whats about the performance? Are there any desktop wm's available. |
| 22:09.01 | mallum | jodus: you should be able to run anything with the device specs you mentioned |
| 22:09.12 | moray | jodus: GPE will work with any EWMH window manager, so you could just use e.g. metacity |
| 22:10.54 | florian | We use this for Simpad, works fine with this... including mbdesktop :-) |
| 22:12.11 | jodus | o.k. thats all for today. |
| 22:12.52 | jodus | quit |
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| 22:43.34 | florian | night all |
| 22:44.13 | pigeon | nite florian |