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| 08:54.25 | florian | hi all |
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| 09:28.56 | florian | brb |
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| 11:56.06 | florian_kc | re |
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| 14:45.40 | haelmy | jo |
| 14:46.14 | haelmy | could anyone explain to me, how to use gpe-timesheet? |
| 14:49.21 | florian_kc | haelmy: eh yes... i see your problem :-) |
| 14:49.42 | haelmy | :) |
| 14:49.51 | haelmy | doesnt it work for u too? |
| 14:50.24 | florian_kc | haelmy: Looks like there is some functionality missing, i fear this tool has no maintainer at the moment. |
| 14:50.43 | haelmy | oh, mkey |
| 14:51.04 | haelmy | the idea is what i looked for |
| 14:51.05 | haelmy | hm |
| 14:51.06 | florian_kc | Basically it works, but it doesn't show the recorded time intervals... |
| 14:51.28 | haelmy | is the source available? |
| 14:51.35 | florian_kc | Let me look who coded this... |
| 14:51.43 | haelmy | philb |
| 14:51.56 | haelmy | thats what the page sais |
| 14:52.13 | haelmy | says* |
| 14:52.15 | florian_kc | yes, sure - it's in cvs and handhelds ftp- |
| 14:52.33 | haelmy | k, i gonna take a look at it, perhaps i get it working |
| 14:54.23 | florian_kc | haelmy: souldn't be that had if you know a little bit about c and maybe sql :-) |
| 14:55.05 | haelmy | could be a nice task for learning more c |
| 14:55.37 | florian_kc | There are some GPE userland tool that definitely need some help... |
| 14:56.36 | florian_kc | Yes sure, i really got used to c coding gpe stuff :-) |
| 14:56.46 | haelmy | hm, my skills in c(++) r not that good now, but i really got the aim to get more into it, in the next time |
| 14:57.41 | haelmy | hm, i think i gotta lern gtk, to get that working |
| 14:58.23 | florian_kc | it's worth doing this - c is useful everywhere... starting from a small micro controler to big mainframes :-) |
| 14:58.46 | mallum | its also a easy letter to write |
| 14:59.22 | haelmy | i know, thats y i really want to learn it |
| 14:59.37 | florian_kc | gtk is sometimes a little bit nasty, but latest documentation helps... e.g. devhelp is very useful |
| 15:00.01 | haelmy | nice, i gonna look that up |
| 15:01.16 | florian_kc | haelmy: feel free to ask :-) |
| 15:05.14 | haelmy | yeah, thx, i gonna do |
| 15:05.51 | haelmy | uhm, first question ;), do i gotta compile everything on the device or is there a way to compile it on the desktop or with distcc? |
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| 15:08.14 | haelmy | oh, du bist ja sogar deutsch |
| 15:08.15 | haelmy | :) |
| 15:08.34 | florian_kc | haelmy: Okay... usually you should use a crosscompiler which is available at handhelds.org, this is way faster than compiling natively. |
| 15:08.44 | florian_kc | haelmy: das auch, ja :-) |
| 15:09.20 | florian_kc | Hmm... where was this gtk2 toolchain?! |
| 15:10.14 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/~nils/x86-cross.html |
| 15:10.52 | florian_kc | Distgcc should work too, but i never tried this... |
| 15:12.15 | florian_kc | There is a cluster of ARM machines that may be used by everyone for native compiling - this is easier some times. |
| 15:13.21 | haelmy | kewl, thx |
| 15:13.22 | florian_kc | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/devcluster.html |
| 15:14.04 | haelmy | hm, but before i can start doing any developing i gotta get an extension and some more memory :/ |
| 15:14.57 | florian_kc | What kind of device do you use? |
| 15:15.15 | haelmy | ipaq h3660 |
| 15:15.44 | haelmy | i only got bout 1MB free memory atm |
| 15:16.12 | florian_kc | great... how much flash does this one have? |
| 15:16.23 | haelmy | 16mb |
| 15:17.09 | florian_kc | ok, i see - yes, this is nasty for developing - but there are several ways to help :-) |
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| 15:17.32 | mind | Hi! Two questions: 1. How can I change what a desktop-shortcut launches with matchbox? 2. How can I get my Stowaway keyboard to use a norwegian keyb layout? |
| 15:18.00 | haelmy | hey mind |
| 15:18.17 | haelmy | what other ways then upgrading memory is there? |
| 15:18.29 | mind | Ex: I would like the terminal-shortcut to launch "rxvt -bg black -fg grey" instead of just "rxvt" ? |
| 15:18.31 | florian_kc | There are some crazy companies out there upgradung flash... but i think a cf jacket and a cf memory card are much more useful. |
| 15:18.38 | mind | hey haelmy ;) |
| 15:19.53 | haelmy | yeah, thats what i gonna get, a dualextension for flash, so i can put in some cf-memory and a cf-wlan, gps or bluetooth |
| 15:20.15 | haelmy | compactflash* |
| 15:20.24 | florian_kc | mind: The commands for everything you see at the desktop is in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop |
| 15:20.35 | mind | florian_kc: tnx ;) |
| 15:20.45 | florian_kc | mind: It should be very easy to change this in the according file... |
| 15:21.42 | florian_kc | About external keyboards i'm not sure... i think this would be a good question for gpe mailinglist. |
| 15:21.53 | florian_kc | or maybe familiar ml... |
| 15:22.23 | mind | ok... I might throw one in there... The keyb thing is not a big deal... I can work with the en layout for now... |
| 15:22.27 | mind | tnx florian_kc... |
| 15:23.50 | florian_kc | haelmy: sounds like a good idea, i have a h3870 - this one has a working mmc slot i use for memory expansion. |
| 15:28.00 | haelmy | hm, thats really the only thing i miss at that device, some extensionslot |
| 15:28.40 | mind | florian_kc: the desktop launcer works perfectly, but is there a similar way to configure the shortcuts that are docked on the panel? |
| 15:29.17 | haelmy | i worked with some h39xx at some client, they r really nice devices, but it was hurting to see them running winblows |
| 15:29.29 | florian_kc | haelmy: yes, that's true... |
| 15:30.08 | florian_kc | mind: yes, the same - there are only other definitions in these .desktop files. |
| 15:30.30 | mind | florian_kc: yes, but where are they located? |
| 15:30.38 | florian_kc | (details may be found at freedesktop.org) |
| 15:30.49 | mind | .matchbox? |
| 15:30.52 | florian_kc | mind: in the same directory... |
| 15:31.01 | mind | oh... ok |
| 15:31.05 | mind | heh tnx ;) |
| 15:31.34 | florian_kc | mind: maybe some stuff is in subdirectories of this now... |
| 15:32.53 | florian_kc | haelmy: hehe yes, the 39xx work fine too - only the mmc/sd driver is not finished yet. |
| 15:38.09 | haelmy | ic, but it got enought memory integrated, so that wont be such a problem |
| 15:39.01 | florian_kc | Yes, that's true... |
| 15:44.01 | jamey | florian_kc: I'd like linphone-gpe to use gpe-contacts for its address book and probably also buddy list storage |
| 15:44.40 | jamey | any suggestions on how to interface the two? |
| 15:44.52 | jamey | libgpecontacts? dbus? or both? |
| 15:45.20 | mallum_ | jamey: libgpecontacts if it exists |
| 15:45.39 | florian_kc | jamey: Oh, this sounds good... i think libgpecontacts would be the correct solution. |
| 15:47.22 | jamey | not existing yet |
| 15:47.28 | florian_kc | jamey: This doesn't exist yet - but it should be easy to create... |
| 15:47.34 | jamey | I think libgpecontacts is part of the answer |
| 15:47.54 | florian_kc | jamey: When do you need it? yesterday i fear... |
| 15:47.57 | jamey | the dbus part comes in because I'd like to be able to select address in gpe-contacts and have it start linphone |
| 15:48.15 | jamey | florian_kc: no hurry, I'm still using linphone internal address book |
| 15:48.25 | jamey | within the next 3 weeks, say |
| 15:48.35 | jamey | in which case it probably pops to the top of my todo list |
| 15:49.41 | florian_kc | Sounds like a good idea, we maybe should discuss how to link applications using dbus on gpe mailinglist. |
| 15:50.01 | jamey | that is a good idea |
| 15:51.07 | florian_kc | ok, i have some experience with gpe-contacts, i did some parts of the database - so if noone else volunteers i could do this for contacts. |
| 15:53.46 | jamey | thanks |
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| 17:47.28 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:32.02 | florian | re |
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| 18:38.39 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 18:38.45 | pb_ | hi florian |
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| 19:20.38 | mind | I would like to remove som stuff from my ipaq... feeling a bit claustrofobic ;) |
| 19:20.52 | mind | what about the Time Tracker? never used it... |
| 19:21.14 | pb_ | ipkg remove gpe-timesheet |
| 19:21.25 | mind | and its completely safe? |
| 19:22.09 | pb_ | yup |
| 19:22.41 | mind | what about some of the games, like Lights Out... I only found a game package... I would like to keep Sokoban ;) love it! hehe |
| 19:23.00 | pb_ | ipkg remove gpe-lights |
| 19:23.03 | pb_ | or maybe gpe-lights2 |
| 19:23.39 | mind | Ill check that... what is Figment? |
| 19:25.02 | pb_ | it's an outliner |
| 19:25.39 | mind | ehm... do I need it? is it any big? hehe... The two programs I've removed so far is like 0.02kb... |
| 19:28.36 | mind | sorry... Ill shut up ;) |
| 20:03.51 | folken | window 6 |
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| 20:21.08 | {HyGy} | hi |
| 20:21.56 | florian | hi {HyGy} |
| 20:22.07 | {HyGy} | florian |
| 20:22.15 | {HyGy} | eh I dont understand this GPE |
| 20:22.22 | {HyGy} | I want to use it. |
| 20:22.41 | {HyGy} | Alway putting up, then try to do stg and I cant do. |
| 20:22.47 | {HyGy} | alway=always |
| 20:22.50 | florian | brb |
| 20:23.05 | {HyGy} | then I put op opie and that is working |
| 20:23.06 | {HyGy} | :) |
| 20:23.11 | {HyGy} | then I put again GPE :) |
| 20:23.57 | {HyGy} | I think under GPE there is no localisation to my language |
| 20:26.48 | florian | re |
| 20:27.13 | florian | {HyGy}: Yes, that's true - at least for the most parts of it... |
| 20:33.52 | {HyGy} | so |
| 20:34.08 | {HyGy} | What If (maybe) i want to help to translate? |
| 20:34.11 | {HyGy} | :) |
| 20:34.19 | {HyGy} | but why not as stable as OPIE? :( |
| 20:35.16 | {HyGy} | how big work is this? |
| 20:36.38 | {HyGy} | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gnumeric: |
| 20:36.39 | {HyGy} | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:48.48 | florian | {HyGy}: Would be nice :-) Opie started two years earlier... this is much time in software development. |
| 20:49.12 | {HyGy} | oh |
| 20:49.53 | {HyGy} | I thought the development started at the same time. |
| 20:50.11 | florian | The linux translation project should provide a nice framework... |
| 20:50.24 | {HyGy} | aha |
| 20:50.25 | pb_ | no, opie was around before gpe. and, if you count QPE as part of opie, for quite a long time before. |
| 20:50.31 | florian | no, gpe is really young :-) |
| 20:50.44 | pb_ | I guess gpe is almost exactly two years old now. |
| 20:50.48 | {HyGy} | whay is it gpe better? |
| 20:51.46 | {HyGy} | is there a prg under GPE like under opie opie richtext editor? |
| 20:51.52 | florian | I think it is better for technological point of view. We use known and optimized stuff and try to implement freedesktop.org standards. |
| 20:52.23 | {HyGy} | (i found gumeric to sheet editor but cant install it couse some missing libs) |
| 20:52.27 | {HyGy} | florian hmm |
| 20:52.52 | {HyGy} | it seems to me that on my ipaq 3630 (i thing) gpe is a little slower than opie |
| 20:53.15 | florian | There is one in development, but dc (who codes it) seems to have not much time at the moment... |
| 20:53.36 | {HyGy} | I know what is when got not much time :( |
| 20:54.22 | {HyGy} | but the stable version is unusuable couse if U want to put any prg the sys tell you :) you havent got some libs... |
| 20:54.42 | florian | {HyGy}: Yes, that's possible - i think our application startup is slower because gtk uses many different libraries... |
| 20:55.16 | {HyGy} | hmm will be this faster? |
| 20:55.23 | florian | I don't think this gnumeric package is uptodate... |
| 20:55.51 | {HyGy} | (couse if not I have a (good?) question :) why is it good to develop a slower system?) |
| 20:55.56 | florian | I think this stuff will get optimized, it was much slower when we switched to gtk2 |
| 20:56.38 | florian | Another advantage is that it is possible to port common desktop applications for PDA usage. |
| 20:56.52 | {HyGy} | yes I like this feature |
| 20:57.29 | florian | e.g. the gpsdrive port works fine (except that it sucks much of cpu load). |
| 20:58.08 | {HyGy} | :) except that I cant use couse (maybe I dont connect it to a gps) it is to slow |
| 20:58.13 | florian | I don't think this gnumeric port is good, but i think this shouldn't be that hard to improve... and use a gtk2 version... |
| 20:58.52 | {HyGy} | florian now I'm uploading gtk version of GPE :) it is slow trough serial port |
| 20:58.58 | {HyGy} | (new image uploading) |
| 20:59.18 | florian | Strange, it is slow - but should be usable. But searching somthing in the maps manually is a pain. |
| 20:59.21 | {HyGy} | florian maybe some other app is good for me |
| 20:59.45 | florian | yes, it is much faster/easier using a cf card... |
| 20:59.49 | {HyGy} | do you know a sheet editor and a rich text editor? |
| 20:59.51 | florian | oops... |
| 21:00.05 | {HyGy} | oops what? |
| 21:00.12 | {HyGy} | ok |
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| 21:08.09 | florian | re |
| 21:08.15 | {HyGy} | re |
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| 21:38.58 | {HyGy} | can U tell me a richtext application? |
| 21:39.45 | {HyGy} | or stg else under GPE that I can edit a text file witch then I can read with openoffice (and can set bold and italic text stg) |
| 21:39.45 | {HyGy} | ? |
| 21:41.33 | florian | hmm... i don't think there is a gpe app for this yet, but it might be easy to adapt a small app doing this. |
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| 21:46.59 | {HyGy} | bye |
| 21:47.04 | {HyGy} | i'm going to sleep |
| 21:47.05 | {HyGy} | :) |
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| 22:54.46 | florian | night... |
| 22:57.52 | pb_ | florian: night |
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| 23:29.46 | ljp | any recent scaps of gpe? |
| 23:30.26 | pb_ | I think the ones on the web site are about the latest we have. |
| 23:30.35 | pb_ | they're mostly a few months old by now, though |
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