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| 09:41.29 | florian_kc | hi all |
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| 13:53.24 | mallum_ | florian_kc: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13787.png |
| 13:53.39 | mallum_ | florian_kc: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9430.png |
| 13:57.06 | florian_kc | mallum_: looks very nice :-) |
| 13:57.19 | mallum_ | florian_kc: runs very slowly |
| 13:58.16 | florian_kc | mallum_: this is not that good... but at least for nice screenshot it seems to work :-) |
| 13:58.52 | mallum_ | florian_kc: yeah, there is a load of fp in the code that creates the blur, Im gonna wrip that out and see if any better |
| 14:01.26 | florian_kc | mallum_: This reminds me to a problem i noticed lately: After gpe session starts i have the default background instead of the configured gradient. |
| 14:02.39 | florian_kc | mallum_: Only if i change it, the correct background is displayed. |
| 14:03.07 | mallum_ | florian_kc: yeah Im waiting for pb to package new gconfd |
| 14:03.13 | mallum_ | gpeconfd |
| 14:04.20 | florian_kc | mallum_: ah, ok - with latest xst and cvs gpe-conf removing of background settings should work too. |
| 14:05.11 | mallum_ | florian_kc: yeah maybe |
| 14:05.15 | mallum_ | florian_kc: hope so |
| 14:08.05 | florian_kc | Would be cool... i think i'll do some other improvements to gpe-conf in the next days... |
| 14:10.26 | mallum_ | florian_kc: excellent |
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| 14:53.21 | __moray | mallum_: are you still using keithp's 'correct' blurring method? you ought to just be able to build a look-up table for what to do at the edges / corners |
| 14:54.03 | __moray | mallum_: especially since in matchbox you should be optimising for only level of shadows |
| 14:57.15 | mallum | __moray: matchbox cvs has its own compositer built in |
| 14:57.35 | mallum | __moray: to do that kind of thing |
| 14:58.05 | mallum | __moray: performance is still not so good with no shadows and no translucency |
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| 15:16.51 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11592.png |
| 15:19.35 | mallum_ | florian_kc: aha, possibly the most unportable gpe app :-) |
| 15:20.47 | florian_kc | mallum_: yes, definitely :-) But i'll make this more flexible to change... |
| 15:22.29 | mallum_ | florian_kc: probably makes more sense to make it work like gnome keyboard shortcuts |
| 15:23.22 | __moray | Yes, that would seem a fair idea actually - people who want to do more random things can just edit the conffile. |
| 15:24.03 | mallum_ | __moray: the problem is keyconf cant do things like startup notification, set keyboard shortcuts for matchbox etc |
| 15:24.58 | mallum_ | __moray: s/keyconf/whatever it is/ |
| 15:26.46 | __moray | mallum_: the matchbox bit should possibly be done directly by the configuration programme? -- the startup notification thing is a bug I still haven't fixed |
| 15:27.43 | mallum_ | __moray: you should just let matchbox deal with the keyboard |
| 15:28.12 | mallum_ | __moray: it already does startup notification and all sorts of keyboard shortcuts |
| 15:28.37 | __moray | mallum_: I've only been (vaguely) maintaining keylaunch; as long as there's a sensible UI I don't mind what does the work. |
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| 15:29.08 | mallum_ | __moray: and is configurable over gconf ... its likea 3 line patch to the gnome keyshortcut program to make it work with matchbox rather than metacity |
| 15:29.12 | __moray | mallum_: I suppose the only argument is that other window managers that people might want to use don't provide key shortcut things these days. |
| 15:29.27 | mallum_ | __moray: well that argument is crack |
| 15:30.43 | florian_kc | mallum_: another nice idea, i don't think this is hard to implement - but it is not that useful like on a mahine with a keyboard. |
| 15:31.08 | mallum_ | florian_kc: yeah my thoughts exactly |
| 15:31.21 | mallum_ | florian_kc: and it still works on an ipaq |
| 15:32.05 | mallum_ | a wm already has to grab various keys for its shortcuts anyway. If you take app launching away from that then you; |
| 15:32.39 | mallum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.19 | mallum_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.43 | __moray | mallum_: as I said, I don't mind what does the shortcut stuff - as long as the default matchbox setup would become like the keylaunch one is at the moment (keys doing their labelled functions), rather than using keys for window-manager specific stuff by default |
| 15:34.12 | mallum_ | __moray: you use gconf to configure it you can put what ever you like in for defualts |
| 15:34.15 | florian_kc | Another nasty problem is to find a generic way of handling buttons on several devices... e.g. buttons on the simpad don't create keyboard events. |
| 15:34.30 | mallum_ | florian_kc: well thats a kernel problem I guess |
| 15:34.44 | __moray | mallum_: I thought we weren't having gconf because it was too large, previously? or is this gconf over xsettings? |
| 15:34.58 | mallum_ | __moray: this is gconf over dbus |
| 15:35.02 | __moray | mallum_: aha |
| 15:35.30 | mallum_ | __moray: xsettings is too limiting |
| 15:35.35 | __moray | mallum_: sure |
| 15:36.22 | florian_kc | mallum_: yes, it is - but i think we could change this very easy... i wonder if it would be complicated to integrate the simpad stuff into handhelds kernel tree. |
| 15:36.28 | mallum_ | __moray: anyway this cant happen till gconf-dbus gets synced with newer dbus'es |
| 15:36.34 | __moray | mallum_: right |
| 15:37.17 | mallum_ | but its soooooo much nicer than xsettings |
| 15:37.19 | __moray | mallum_: but anyway, keylaunch is something of a crock, so I'd rather see it replaced by clean code (such as that in matchbox) |
| 15:37.43 | mallum_ | __moray: I think gpe-login is dependant on it too though |
| 15:40.00 | __moray | mallum_: of course, if you *really* want to convince people you should split the matchbox keys stuff out and get it to do its existing talking to matchbox via dbus... ;) |
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| 15:57.25 | mallum_ | __moray: how do you mean ? |
| 16:33.48 | jamey | florian_kc: I would be happy to see simpad kernel support added to hh.org |
| 16:38.04 | florian_kc | jamey: I'll talk to Nils about that, i think the Kernel he build for the simpad based on hh kernel.... |
| 16:38.04 | mallum_ | Has anyone played wih vlc ? I see they now how a gtk2 version |
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| 18:01.08 | florian | re |
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| 18:56.46 | jig | hi |
| 18:57.50 | florian | hu jig |
| 18:59.57 | jig | i bought an ipaq 3835 on ebay and I would like to install linux |
| 19:00.10 | jig | could someone please tell me the main differences between gpe and opie? |
| 19:00.25 | jig | is it only because the gtk/qt ? |
| 19:01.02 | pb_ | yes, more or less. gpe uses gtk and x; opie uses qt and doesn't use x. |
| 19:02.01 | jig | doesnt use X? it has its won "X" server? |
| 19:02.21 | pb_ | opie programs bash directly at the framebuffer. |
| 19:02.34 | jig | ah! |
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| 19:03.39 | jig | is there any difference in resources? |
| 19:04.06 | jig | i tryied to access gpe.handhelds.org/documentation but its giving me dns error |
| 19:06.38 | mallum_ | jig: resource usage is about the same, maybe slighly more by gpe |
| 19:06.58 | jig | let me rephrase: is there any difference in power consuption between the two dists? does one need more .... |
| 19:07.04 | jig | i see |
| 19:08.38 | jig | ok |
| 19:08.58 | jig | its just a matter of taste then,right? ;-) |
| 19:09.35 | mallum_ | jig: opie sucks |
| 19:09.39 | mallum_ | hehehehe |
| 19:10.26 | jig | :-D |
| 19:10.47 | jig | this reminds me the kde/gnome war... |
| 19:13.13 | jig | it seems to me that opie is more eyecandy DE and gpe is more workandshutup DE |
| 19:13.14 | jig | ok |
| 19:13.18 | mallum_ | im only joking |
| 19:13.19 | jig | i will give it a try |
| 19:13.40 | mallum_ | different strokes for different folks |
| 19:14.44 | cworth | jig: I've found practical benefit in the X network-transparency with gpe. I don't bother synching data, but instead just cross-display from my handheld to my desktop. Works quite nicely. |
| 19:16.30 | jig | i just want to read my email browse the web and listen to mp3 |
| 19:16.58 | jig | in the class room when im getting bored |
| 19:17.16 | jig | ;) |
| 19:21.21 | rwilliam | jig: if you just want those apps, I would suggest Opie.. GPE is great, but Opie is a little more mature in those areas |
| 19:21.45 | mallum_ | ~fishslap rwilliam |
| 19:21.47 | | ACTION slaps rwilliam up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:22.44 | pb_ | I think it's certainly true that opie has a more credible email solution than gpe does. |
| 19:26.11 | xav | mallum: well, I recently switched from gpe to opie (because of the sync capabilities), and I must say I have been impressed. |
| 19:28.53 | pb_ | amen to taht |
| 19:28.55 | pb_ | that, even |
| 19:28.57 | jig | what do you mean "just worked" ? |
| 19:29.19 | jig | nevermind |
| 19:29.23 | pb_ | unfortunately Qt/e isn't API (let alone ABI) compatible with Qt/X11. |
| 19:29.54 | pb_ | so, I gather that compiling opie for qt/x11, although possible in theory, is something of an undertaking. |
| 19:30.28 | rwilliam | mallum_: hehe.. you don't agree? |
| 19:30.57 | pb_ | zecke was working on that, but he's been confined to various sanatoria for most of the past year. |
| 19:32.04 | mallum_ | I thought qte was api compat with qt/x11 |
| 19:32.54 | pb_ | I think there's a lot of overlap, but both implement some functions that are not in the other one. |
| 19:33.14 | pb_ | and opie tends to call qt/e specific functions. |
| 19:36.45 | jig | so what is the main purpose of gpe if i may ask? |
| 19:39.17 | pb_ | well, it's, um, a desktop environment. |
| 19:39.29 | pb_ | or a palmtop environment to be more precise |
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| 20:19.05 | reenoo | hi |
| 20:29.12 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 20:29.46 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 20:29.48 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 20:36.20 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 20:36.23 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 20:36.39 | florian | ah, hi pb_ |
| 21:03.17 | nelson | release notes? |
| 21:03.33 | nelson | Do I have any takers to write the release notes for 0.7.2 ? |
| 21:26.12 | nelson | Okay, 0.7.2 is officially released. |
| 21:41.32 | jamey | does anyone know if there has been a new gpe-bluetooth package built since I added bluezsco code to it? |
| 21:42.27 | pb_ | not as far as I know. want me to build one? |
| 21:42.53 | jamey | pb_: that would be helpful -- I got blocked on the libglade linking issue |
| 21:43.00 | pb_ | ah, yes. |
| 21:43.19 | pb_ | in fact, I don't think I've built a package since Bastien checked in his changes, so this could be interesting. |
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| 22:24.59 | florian | nibgt... |
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