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| 00:26.32 | ljp | probably |
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| 01:18.27 | bluz | the calendar alarm for gpe, is it just a wav file? can't seem to find it.. |
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| 03:01.55 | cworth | hmm.... Running gpe-calendar from 0.7.1 here... |
| 03:02.34 | cworth | I'm seeing "Save" of a new appointment cause delays of about 16 seconds. Then some reminders show up repeated, and clicking on one of the repeats causes a segfault. |
| 03:02.46 | cworth | Sound familiar to anyone? |
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| 08:07.18 | florian_kc | morning all |
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| 10:23.16 | pigeon | hello florian |
| 10:25.01 | florian | hi pigeon |
| 10:29.26 | pigeon | hmm... what's the easiest brain dead way to print a number in binary, in C? |
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| 10:38.19 | florian | pigeon: fprintc? :-) |
| 10:38.27 | florian | hi moray |
| 10:38.30 | pigeon | heh |
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| 15:09.08 | florian_kc | re |
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| 16:59.13 | reenoo | hi |
| 17:00.49 | florian_kc | reenoo: hi |
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| 17:11.06 | reenoo | hey florian_kc |
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| 17:52.24 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:17.57 | florian | re |
| 18:29.11 | reenoo | btw.. I tried to order a 12" powerbook today. they couldn't give me a precise shipment date either. "well... ummm... usually it should ship within 10 working days... but there seem to be delays atm" :/ |
| 18:43.34 | florian | hmm... i ordered my christmas present too ;-) |
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| 18:47.20 | florian | great... look at hh.org website :-) a good reason to code some more cool stuff and improve old things... |
| 18:48.08 | dc_ti | oh w--t |
| 18:48.09 | dc_ti | w00t |
| 18:48.11 | dc_ti | hehe |
| 18:48.34 | dc_ti | how uber is that |
| 18:48.38 | dc_ti | just under firebird |
| 18:48.50 | reenoo | yeah. congrats everybody :) |
| 18:49.48 | dc_ti | florian: well. christmas holidays are comming up soon |
| 18:51.24 | PaxAnima | improve old things.. maybe I should start hacking C again... |
| 18:51.27 | florian | dc_ti: hehe, no holidays for me :-/ i think i'll code some lines this evening... :-) |
| 18:52.15 | dc_ti | doh |
| 18:52.26 | florian | Yep, i got in touch with several languages... C is not nice, gtk is not much nicer - but they are very useful :-) |
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| 18:55.31 | florian | oh, i should work on the Visual Workstation howto too... |
| 19:08.47 | florian | where is pb_? |
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| 19:16.23 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 19:17.10 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 19:17.12 | florian | pb_: Looks like gpe-bluetooth is confused sometimes.... |
| 19:17.14 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18006.png |
| 19:17.42 | florian | brb |
| 19:43.14 | florian | re |
| 19:43.39 | pb_ | florian: mm, that does look bad. |
| 19:45.13 | pb_ | sounds like PAN has somehow gotten linked into the service list twice for that item. |
| 19:46.32 | florian | hm yes, i could try if this is reproducable tomorrow... and look what sdptool tells me about this device. |
| 19:47.00 | pb_ | That'd be good, yes. |
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| 20:14.51 | nelson | florian: you around? |
| 20:15.59 | nelson | florian: it looks to me like familiar-base-simpad_5.0-37_arm.ipkg should be deleted. |
| 20:16.16 | nelson | florian: in preference for leaving familiar-base_5.0-37_simpad.ipk |
| 20:16.42 | nelson | florian: the second specifies an architecture of 'simpad', whereas the first specifies 'arm'. |
| 20:26.38 | florian | hi nelson |
| 20:26.45 | nelson | hi. |
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| 20:27.06 | nelson | I went ahead and nuked that package. |
| 20:27.50 | florian | nelson: yes, looks correct.... strange, looks like i created this package... |
| 20:27.52 | nelson | jamey frobbed ipkg and even though it's been around since July, ipkg is now refusing to auto-install the right familiar-base. |
| 20:28.19 | florian | great :-/ |
| 20:28.22 | nelson | I like it when ipkg finds problems we didn't know existed. :-) |
| 20:28.47 | florian | yeah |
| 20:42.50 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:47.11 | florian | I don't think current solution of the button config tool is good - but i habe some ideas: |
| 20:50.33 | florian | I'll replace the buttons by radio buttons - then i'll add all necessary input fields and pixmap for a detailed picture of the buttons below the large picture. |
| 20:51.42 | pb_ | sounds like a good plan |
| 20:53.29 | pb_ | florian: heh, my sparc only has a 1bit framebuffer |
| 20:53.43 | pb_ | per pixel, obviously, not one bit in total. |
| 20:54.49 | florian | ok, this would be bad if you would use it for scanning ;-) |
| 20:55.57 | pb_ | I think it also has the dubious distinction of being the slowest computer I own, so I don't use it very often. |
| 20:56.44 | florian | What could be my slowest computer? |
| 20:56.49 | pb_ | well, slowest "real" computer. I have a whole pile of Acorn equipment that's much slower. |
| 20:57.26 | pb_ | and the pdp-11, of course, which I guess will always win that particular prize. |
| 20:58.30 | florian | I think my slowest is the Mac LC II... |
| 21:01.02 | florian | A real pdp-11?! This is missing in my collection... |
| 21:01.12 | pb_ | florian: yes, I think it's an 11/34. |
| 21:01.28 | pb_ | however, I don't have any peripherals for it at the moment, so it isn't a great deal of use. |
| 21:02.45 | florian | pb_: cool... but i think my girlfriend would kill me if i brought a machine like this ;-) |
| 21:02.52 | pb_ | florian: heh. |
| 21:03.41 | pb_ | ah, yes, http://hampage.hu/pdp-11/1134.html has a picture. |
| 21:04.47 | florian | Maybe i could convince her that it is the replacement for the ti-92 i sold ;-) |
| 21:05.14 | pb_ | hehe. |
| 21:05.21 | florian | hmm... this kind of computers is a nice toy for people with time... |
| 21:13.45 | florian | nelson: |
| 21:13.49 | florian | argl |
| 21:14.20 | mallum | pb_: have you arm builds of latest fd.o x ? |
| 21:14.37 | pb_ | mallum: not the very latest, no |
| 21:14.42 | pb_ | the latest bits I have are in unstable. |
| 21:15.07 | mallum | pb_: do they have compositing extensions ? |
| 21:15.10 | pb_ | no |
| 21:16.16 | mallum | pb_: ok np |
| 21:20.12 | florian | nelson: http://handhelds.org/~florian/h3800.png |
| 21:20.28 | florian | nelson: what about a small update for scap service ;-) |
| 21:20.46 | florian | eehh... my iPAQ is dirty :-/ |
| 21:23.07 | pigeon | yeah, maybe scap with "on a 3600", "on a 3800", "on a zaurus" ;) |
| 21:25.43 | pigeon | "on an axim", "on a toshiba exxx" |
| 21:34.42 | nelson | florian: done. |
| 21:35.12 | nelson | florian: do you have a scanner? Try scanning your iPAQ rather than photographing it. |
| 21:36.10 | pb_ | ah, that's a thought. let me see if I can scan my h5000. |
| 21:36.12 | pigeon | nelson: cool! |
| 21:37.19 | nelson | pigeon: tnx! |
| 21:37.50 | pigeon | want an "on an xda" too? ;) |
| 21:40.37 | mallum | can I scan one of the pugs ? |
| 21:41.06 | mallum | they dont run familiar yet, but Im working on it |
| 21:41.08 | pb_ | go for it. |
| 21:41.46 | mallum | oh sid says it might blind them :/ |
| 21:42.00 | pb_ | ah, she might have a point. |
| 21:42.13 | pb_ | best issue them with shades before proceeding. |
| 21:42.33 | mallum | they are probably too fat to fit in the scanner |
| 21:43.17 | pb_ | seems my scanner is broken, so no scans for me. |
| 21:43.50 | florian | nelson: This is scanned... if you prefer a higher resolution i have the same with twice this resolution. |
| 21:45.34 | nelson | florian: no, I want more contrast. |
| 21:46.18 | moray | pb_: do we have/need changes from http://freedesktop.org/Software/xsettings/releases/xsettings-0.2.tar.gz ? |
| 21:46.20 | nelson | pigeon: well, when you can do scaps from your XDA, I'll make a "on an xda" button. |
| 21:46.29 | pb_ | moray: don't know |
| 21:46.48 | florian | nelson: ok, i can try... |
| 21:47.40 | mallum | moray: when was it released ? Is there a changelog for it ? |
| 21:48.59 | moray | there's a changelog, the last entry giving version 0.2: Wed Oct 9 15:57:21 2002 Owen Taylor <otaylor@redhat.com> |
| 21:50.05 | mallum | moray: hmm I think that just fixes the endian bug |
| 21:50.07 | moray | it doesn't look like it would be too hard to merge if we don't have the changes at present |
| 21:50.21 | mallum | moray: which pb already fixed I think |
| 21:50.44 | moray | there's e.g. a missed free() in the changelog, don't know if we have that or not |
| 21:53.44 | nelson | 0.7.2 images built. I'm downloading them now. |
| 21:53.44 | pb_ | yeah, in fact I fixed the endian bug in cvs again just last weekend. |
| 21:53.44 | pb_ | I'm not sure how it came un-fixed the first time, but there you are. |
| 21:53.44 | nelson | Yow. bootpypaq has like almost NO free space left. Oh well. |
| 21:53.44 | pb_ | moray: I suggest you diff 0.2 against 0.1, then try to apply that patch to our tree and see what takes. |
| 21:53.44 | pb_ | nelson: time to trade up to a bigger ipaq, I suppose. |
| 21:53.44 | moray | pb_: yes, I was just checking no one knew the status first |
| 21:53.44 | nelson | pb_: hehe, no, really. |
| 21:54.28 | mallum | pb_: can you delete xsettings keys now ? |
| 21:54.33 | pb_ | mallum: yep |
| 21:54.45 | pb_ | at least, the code is in cvs. I didn't package it yet, though. I suck. |
| 21:55.51 | mallum | pb_: np, when its package the background setting in mb should start working again |
| 21:56.00 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 21:56.06 | pb_ | I'll try to remember to do that shortly. |
| 21:56.14 | mallum | pb_: note the *should* though ;-) |
| 21:59.09 | reenoo | arrgh... scanning an ipaq can damage the display? |
| 21:59.11 | florian | nelson: wher do you neeed most contrast? |
| 22:00.19 | pb_ | reenoo: it's conceivable. LCDs don't really like heat. |
| 22:01.02 | nelson | florian: look at the h3800 pic. It's got lots of contrast. So does the scap that goes into it. |
| 22:01.04 | reenoo | doh |
| 22:01.19 | nelson | florian: without a high-contrast image of the handheld, the scap looks REALLY hokey. |
| 22:01.20 | reenoo | too late anyway |
| 22:03.09 | florian | nelson: hmm... the contrast of the h3600 is too high... a little bit lower would be good. |
| 22:06.17 | reenoo | pb_: still looks fine... I guess sunlight is worse anyway... I the sun doesn't have an on/off switch ;) |
| 22:06.29 | reenoo | s/I the/the/ |
| 22:08.21 | florian | nelson: i updated it, maybe this is better - i could use a jacket to create higher contrasts.... |
| 22:10.04 | nelson | florian: I guess scanners don't scan reflective materials very well?? |
| 22:11.48 | reenoo | http://lug-bremen.de/~reno/h3870.small.png |
| 22:12.12 | florian | nelson: exactly - for this a photo would be better, but it is much of work to make a _really_ good photo of reflecting materials... |
| 22:13.09 | nelson | reenoo: that's a little better. |
| 22:13.14 | florian | reenoo: this one is better, but you should have cleaned your scanner before |
| 22:13.31 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:13.36 | reenoo | probably ;) |
| 22:13.42 | moray | florian: the dirt's only obvious on the screen area |
| 22:13.44 | nelson | reenoo: mu-hahahahahahaha! Now we have your fingerprints on file! |
| 22:13.47 | moray | which won't be used anyway, so... |
| 22:14.16 | reenoo | crap |
| 22:14.27 | florian | reenoo: your scanner is better and yut ipaq looks not that used like mine... |
| 22:15.11 | florian | moray: not really... look below the ipaq... left side |
| 22:22.22 | florian | key=???Held XF86PowerDown:-:bl toggle |
| 22:22.44 | florian | What is the meaning of the single "-"? |
| 22:24.21 | moray | there isn't one |
| 22:24.26 | moray | that's the window title field, though |
| 22:24.45 | moray | CVS has "key=???Held XF86PowerDown:bl toggle" |
| 22:25.40 | florian | ok, then there is something strange here... another reason to get rid of this code... |
| 22:26.39 | moray | I think previously a title was required, but even then I think a blank field was accepted happily; someone obviously that a - looked more tidy ;) |
| 22:27.58 | florian | ok, i'll try to keep this in mind :-) |
| 22:28.02 | florian | night all! |
| 22:28.21 | reenoo | florian: night |
| 22:28.33 | nelson | florian: 'nite. |
| 22:49.52 | nelson | pb_: got another oops. |
| 22:52.28 | pb_ | nelson: oh dear |
| 22:54.34 | nelson | and now it's not recognizing my sleeve. |
| 22:59.10 | nelson | pb_: rebooting fixed that problem. You've Got Mail(tm) |
| 22:59.16 | pb_ | thanks |
| 22:59.25 | nelson | must run to dinner. |
| 23:00.28 | cworth | pb_: So Stacy is losing with gpe-calendar now. |
| 23:00.38 | pb_ | cworth: Oh dear. How come? |
| 23:01.05 | cworth | pb_: "Save" of a new appointment causes a ~15 second pause. |
| 23:01.30 | cworth | pb_: And some reminders show up duplicated 2 or 3 times. Clicking a duplicated reminder causes a segfault. |
| 23:01.45 | pb_ | Crumbs. I've never seen that happen, but it sounds bad. |
| 23:01.58 | cworth | This is all after I ran that xst command, but I don't know if that's related. |
| 23:02.11 | pb_ | No, the xst thing should be harmless. What version of gpe-calendar do you have? |
| 23:02.38 | cworth | pb_: Yeah, is there a way to dump/restore the data? She got a fair amount in that I'd like to save before experimenting too much. |
| 23:02.46 | cworth | pb_: lemme check... |
| 23:03.16 | pb_ | cworth: It's all saved in ~/.gpe/calendar, which is a sqlite database. As a first step, you can just copy that file away. |
| 23:03.33 | pb_ | Or I think you can use the sqlite console to dump it out in textual form. |
| 23:03.37 | cworth | pb_: OK, I've done that, (full backup of home). |
| 23:04.23 | cworth | pb_: I won't hit sqlite version skew problems, will I? (bad flashbacks from PostgreSQL) |
| 23:04.48 | cworth | Version: 0.43 |
| 23:05.07 | pb_ | cworth: No, sqlite tends to be quite good about on-disk compatibility. |
| 23:05.13 | cworth | What's the console program? |
| 23:05.19 | cworth | pb_: OK, that's good. |
| 23:05.23 | pb_ | "sqlite" |
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| 23:06.21 | pb_ | cworth: hm, this change might be relevant: |
| 23:06.27 | pb_ | 2003-09-05 Philip Blundell <philb@gnu.org> |
| 23:06.27 | pb_ | * day_view.c (selection_made): Avoid infinite loops and crashes |
| 23:06.27 | pb_ | with untimed events. |
| 23:06.49 | pb_ | that was in version 0.45 |
| 23:06.58 | cworth | pb_: Yeah, that sounds important. |
| 23:07.24 | cworth | pb_: If I can trust the on-disk format, let me just try to update to the latest gpe-calendar... |
| 23:07.32 | cworth | Shall I just point ipkg at 0.7.2? |
| 23:07.38 | pb_ | Yep, probably easiest. |
| 23:09.35 | cworth | This seems to work: echo ".dump calendar" | sqlite ~/.gpe/calendar > calendar.dump |
| 23:10.00 | pb_ | Aha, cool. |
| 23:10.06 | cworth | How do I quite sqlite? |
| 23:10.09 | cworth | quit even |
| 23:10.18 | pb_ | "quit", or send it EOF, I think. |
| 23:10.28 | cworth | EOF, thanks. |
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| 23:14.44 | cworth | pb_: Upgraded to 0.48. I just succesfully deleted one of the mysteriously duplicated entries without crashing. That's a definite improvement. |
| 23:14.56 | pb_ | Ah, good. |
| 23:15.09 | cworth | pb_: Still seems to have some long pauses. I'll let her play and get back with you if needed. |
| 23:15.12 | pb_ | Do you see the duplicate entries appearing multiple times in the SQL dump, or are they just duplicated in gpe-calendar's imagination? |
| 23:15.49 | pb_ | Okay. Long pauses certainly sound unhealthy. I'll see if I can replicate that on my ipaq. |
| 23:15.59 | cworth | pb_: Dinnertime... |
| 23:16.04 | pb_ | cworth: bon appetit! |
| 23:16.22 | cworth | pb_: I'll try with a new user account and see if I can replicate it too. |
| 23:16.29 | pb_ | okay, excellent |
| 23:16.34 | cworth | pb_: I'll check the dumps later. |
| 23:16.47 | cworth | pb_: Thanks again! |
| 23:16.59 | pb_ | cworth: you're welcome. |
| 23:36.24 | ragarth | Wow, getting go installed on my ipaq was a pain. BTW, the gpe-go package isn't in the feed, I hade to find it and download it off the site, then install it locally. |
| 23:36.49 | pb_ | ragarth: which feed were you using? |
| 23:42.42 | ragarth | I'm on 7.1 |
| 23:43.07 | pb_ | ah, right. yes, go was not in 0.7.1. |
| 23:43.24 | ragarth | Bummer. It seems to work fine though. |
| 23:44.46 | ragarth | I can't download 7.2 though. |
| 23:48.07 | pb_ | yeah, there was another hold-up in the 0.7.2 release. |
| 23:48.22 | pb_ | there seems to be some kernel bug now. |
| 23:49.26 | ragarth | Bummer, so what is keeping go from the 7.1 release? The only thing it's missing that the opie version had was a computer player. |
| 23:51.44 | pb_ | Nothing, but we aren't making any updated to 0.7.1 any more. |
| 23:51.48 | pb_ | updates, rather |
| 23:52.56 | ragarth | Ah. |
| 23:53.16 | ragarth | Bummer about 7.2 though. |
| 23:54.37 | pb_ | Yes. |
