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01:14.03flypiperibot: botmail for pb_ morning, 9.2 seems to be a little bit more stable using my wired pcmcia card.. but it still completly shuts off after about 2 minutes ... wireless seems to work great :-)
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02:28.15nelsonelephantum: patch to scap?
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02:31.57dc_hey
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03:22.45nelsondc_: hey.
03:22.57nelsonI'm surprised that you're still up.
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11:09.18goodiehow is the gpe project going? is there any planned support for opie applications?
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12:34.02moraypb___: any idea why I'm getting
12:34.03moray/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.2/../../../libgpewidget.so: undefined reference to `XRenderCompositeDoublePoly'
12:34.21moraywhen compiling (gpe-taskmanager) in a sid chroot?
12:40.02pb___moray: your libgpewidget is compiled for a newer Xrender than you have installed.
12:40.34pb___if you're using the one from Debian, that probably means I built against X 4.3 by mistake.
12:42.39moraypb___: I'll just try to check again, but yes, this should be the one from Debian
12:43.08pb___okay
12:43.21morayGet:32 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/main libgpewidget1 0.70-1 [38.0kB]
12:43.23morayGet:37 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/main libgpewidget-dev 0.70-1 [6694B]
12:43.47pb___curses.
12:45.32pb___okay, I'll make a binary nmu in a bit.
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13:30.53pb_yo dc__
13:30.55dc__morning
13:31.17dc__pb_: hey, where did you get your Z from?
13:31.25pb_dc__: the 750?  brando.com.hk
13:31.45pb_the 5500 I bought in this country, from Digi UK I think.
13:33.46dc__ah cool, I have a friend who currently programms sdl games for os x and is pretty interested in getting one and starting gpe programming
13:33.51dc__which would be nice :-)
13:34.08dc__plus he'd be able to do some much needed game development.
13:34.20pb_ah, that'd be excellent
13:34.59dc__um. how did you actually order it off-a that chinese website then?
13:35.15pb_I sent email to the guy.
13:35.21pb_let me locate his address
13:35.25dc__right
13:35.51pb_Brando <brando@brando.com.hk>
13:36.04dc__and how much was it?
13:36.15pb_cost me US$525, plus $45 shipping (FedEx)
13:36.24dc__760?
13:36.30pb_no, that was 750
13:36.37pb_760 is a bit more, I forget how much
13:36.38dc__right, still pretty good
13:36.53pb_I think it's about an extra $100 for the 760.
13:36.57dc__cool
13:37.07dc__have you actually installed gpe on it yet ;-)
13:37.11pb_uh, no
13:37.14pb_not actually
13:37.18dc__hehe
13:37.43pb_it continues to languish in my pile of unused hardware, along with the axim and SIMpad.
13:37.54dc__!
13:38.34dc__eew.
13:38.50dc__I have a VB/VC++ job offer. how evil.
13:38.56pb_wow, nasty
13:39.00dc__hrm
13:40.08dc__I guess as he wants some sort of arcade game interface, sdl could be fun
13:40.16pb_yep
13:40.29pb_sdl is in familiar already, so it should be easy to port games to it.
13:40.39dc__indeed.
13:40.49dc__hrm. I wonder how evil his input drivers are.
13:40.49pb_in fact, I think most of our existing games (at least stuff like doom and sfcave) are sdl based.
13:40.54dc__this is the VB job thing.
13:41.14pb_ah, right
13:42.09pb_oh, btw, I think I have the technology to build zaurus X servers now with the software rotation speedups.
13:42.13pb_maybe I should try that
13:42.32dc__w00t
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13:42.44florianhi
13:42.53dc__pb_: that would really please my game programming friend.
13:43.13dc__pb_: and me, and mallum!
13:43.16dc__and the whole world.
13:43.55pb_yo florian
13:43.56pb_ok, lemme go and wake up my laptop again, and I'll try running a build
13:44.05dc__yay
13:46.53dc__heh.
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13:50.17morayQuite.
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13:52.01pb_checking tslib.h presence... yes
13:52.01pb_phew
13:52.27dc___doh. laptop crashed
13:52.27dc___thank god it's getting sent back on monday.
13:52.39pb_:-/
13:52.44dc___and they said they'd replace my casing because of the scratches they made last time it was sent of for repairs.
13:52.47dc___:-]
13:52.51pb_heh
13:52.56pb_sounds like you're not having much luck with it.
13:53.20dc___lets see next week....
13:54.06pb_<PROTECTED>
13:54.06pb_suck
13:56.42dc___:-/
13:57.05pb_dc___: http://handhelds.org/~pb/Xfbdev.gz
13:57.13pb_it's just a gzipped raw binary
13:57.37pb_you'll also have to get libxau0, libxfont0 and libxdmcp0 from familiar unstable.
13:59.25dc___nice.
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14:17.25pb_brb, need to rush to the supermarket before it closes
14:17.51dc___!
14:27.23dc___blarg.
14:27.32dc___route on my Z is being lame
14:32.16dc___heh. it was setting the broadcast to 192.168.0.1, how bizarre
14:38.36dc___pb_: hrm, still getting the swipe effect....
14:58.28pb_dc___: ah.
14:59.26pb_oh, I used bad compiler options.  let me try again and see if it makes any difference.
15:04.02dc___right
15:04.09dc___ooh, rosetta is nice,.
15:05.12pb_certainly looks it.  I haven't had a chance to try it out yet.
15:05.24pb_right, try http://handhelds.org/~pb/Xfbdev-1.gz, see if that's different at all
15:23.30dc___pb_: :-/
15:23.35pb_no change?
15:23.48dc___what's the size of the unzipped binary
15:23.50dc___?
15:24.22pb_659672
15:24.38dc___yeah. no change.
15:25.02dc___pb_: on another note, xscale still has no fp cpu right?
15:25.06pb_right
15:29.14dc___dear oh dear gentoo takes its time
15:29.52pb_oh dear
15:31.37dc___pb_: so any more ideas on his Xfbdev, or is it compiling?
15:31.50dc___s/his/this/
15:31.59pb_no more ideas just at the moment.
15:32.08pb_I guess I should try it out on my own Z.
15:32.13dc___:-)
15:32.31pb_It's possible that the vram interface is just too slow for software rotation to ever work right.
15:32.39pb_That seems a bit unlikely, but you never know.
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15:33.32dc___hey Arndt
15:33.44Arndtyo dc
15:33.58dc___pb_: here is our uber games porter who's looking into getting a z c7xx ;-)
15:34.06pb_aha, excellent
15:34.07Arndthaha, uber
15:34.44ArndtI just port because I care
15:35.00dc___hehe :-]
15:35.10dc___pb_: you have the 760 iirc?
15:35.16Arndtas long as I can get a good deal on a C700 or something I'm in
15:35.20pb_dc___: 750
15:35.25dc___doh
15:35.33dc___mallum is the uberking then
15:35.40pb_yeah
15:37.20dc___pb_: are there any X11 sdl games that we know of?
15:39.10pb_that could be ported, you mean?  mm, dunno.
15:39.21dc___or already
15:39.28dc___hrm. looks liek there's a freeciv.
15:39.29dc___heh
15:39.37pb_frozen-bubble, doom, sfcave, stuff like that.
15:40.00dc___oh yes
15:40.03dc___fb is awsome
15:40.30pb_yeah.  if only somebody would rewrite f-b in C. :-}
15:40.41dc___crazy perl mongers
15:40.44pb_quite
15:41.04dc___bargff....
15:41.26Arndtarg, slow ass loading website
15:41.28dc___I think I'll have to put all this waste of cpu time compiling gentoo and just install debian.
15:41.32dc___I'm too impatient.
15:41.44dc___Arndt: the screenshots?
15:42.43Arndtwow, very eye pleasing indeed
15:43.05dc___heh, what a joke, someone posts an article about MiniGUI on /.
15:43.06Arndtsomething with those penquins remind me of MegaMan....
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15:43.30Arndtare there good SNES emulators for linux?
15:43.36dc___yeah.
15:43.41pb_snes9x is pretty good.
15:43.43dc___snes9s
15:43.44Arndtthere must be, it'd be fun to play MMX2 or something on one of these bad boys
15:43.45dc___x
15:43.54pb_only problem is that the super fx emulation sucks on arm.
15:44.02pb_it's floating point city.
15:44.06Arndt:/
15:44.08dc___:-/
15:44.30pb_probably wouldn't be impossible to rewrite it in fixed point, or build for soft float.
15:44.49ArndtI'll have to take a look
15:44.56pb_the former course of action might rewrite some kind of 133t gr4f1x dude though.
15:45.04pb_i.e. not me :-}
15:45.51ArndtI wonder how I could leverage some of the features of that ATI card..
15:46.41pb_you'd probably have to talk to mallum or treke about that.
15:46.54dc___they are the uber X dudes
15:47.06pb_exactly
15:47.25Arndttreke eh...
15:47.45ArndtI forget where I see him around
15:47.51pb_well, treke isn't so much of a hard-core x dude, but he knows about the ati hardware.
15:47.56dc___#handhelds.org
15:48.07Arndtno, I only started going there basically last night
15:48.10pb_ibot, seen treke?
15:48.11treke is currently on #opie (2h 37s) #zaurus (2h 37s) #openembedded (2h 37s)
15:48.20Arndtnope...none of those
15:48.21Arndtodd
15:48.30pb_heh
15:48.32pb_oh well
15:50.10Arndtso I think the best place to get a 700 would be conics...
15:50.14Arndtdo you concur?
15:51.09ArndtI'm just a little worried since they come used with a 3 month war.
15:51.15pb_I recommend against buying a 700, unless it's really cheap.  750 is signifiantly better.
15:51.41Arndtbut for how much more..
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15:52.08Arndtoh goodee
15:53.18ArndtI pay 150 bucks more for 64MB RAM and a bit more local space?
15:53.28dc__you sure do.
15:53.29dc__heh
15:54.14Arndtbut for 150 more...hm...
15:54.34dc__woah my wifi is being uber today. full signal through two walls and a metal case chasis
15:54.55pb_dc__: whoa.
15:55.06ArndtI think that's because I'm here
15:55.08pb_suggest you don't stand too close to the transmitter :-}
15:55.18dc__hehe, yeah.
15:55.30dc__poor parents. it's in the bathroom next door to them
15:55.48pb_better be vigilant in case they start glowing in the dark
15:56.40pb_hm, xstroke doesn't work at all well with xnest.
15:56.41pb_suck
15:56.46dc__:-/
15:57.08dc__morphix doesn't like my apple usb mouse. suck.
15:57.14pb_I guess I need to reinstate multi-head operation on my desktop, so I can run it there.
15:57.38pb_oh dear, that does sound unfortunate.
15:58.15Arndtdc__: so you've got a CF USB card or something?
16:00.35Arndtinteresting that conics sells used 700s but new 750/760s
16:00.49pb_the 700 is out of production.
16:00.55Arndtoh
16:01.06Arndtwould I expect a good unit from conics?
16:01.08pb_they haven't been available new for 6 months or so.
16:01.30pb_I guess so, yeah.
16:03.08dc__pb_: your usb cf card still in production?
16:05.05Arndtdo you think mplayer would start chocking on 32MB?
16:08.03Arndtdc: do you have a big enough CF card to try playing a movie off of it?
16:09.37dc__um yeah
16:09.41dc__let me find something
16:10.03dc__to play
16:10.17pb_dc__: yep
16:10.37dc__doh. not sure where mallum has put his mplayer package
16:11.35dc__guess I have to steal a deb
16:12.13dc__blaf! morphix won't accept any mouse.
16:13.04pb_suck
16:14.29dc__I swear, eveything _always_ comes back to debian
16:14.58morayYou say that as if there's some problem with it... ;)
16:15.44dc__well no. I just always like to think other distros are advancing.
16:15.59dc__debian is just too good ;-)
16:19.25Arndtdc: can you survive with only 32MB RAM?  hehe, I think I might be able to also
16:19.48dc__Arndt: I survive ;-)
16:19.57dc__Arndt: just getting a version of mplayer to try out now.
16:21.15ArndtI'm thinking I'll either order one tomorrow or tuesday
16:21.29Arndtso I'll get it around the weekend
16:21.43Arndtjust want to make sure I'm getting the right things for it
16:22.03dc__:-))
16:22.27Arndthow long does that battery last you?
16:22.47dc__ew. not sure.
16:22.54dc__I could test it.
16:23.03Arndt(so my list also includes the CF wifi card...maybe the pentopia styles...)
16:24.55dc__okay. started with the screen on full brightness, doing a constant ping to my server.
16:24.59dc__over wifi
16:26.42Arndtbest wifi card at expansys.us?
16:26.47dc__oh, flash MX is nearly finished Arndt ;-)
16:26.48Arndtbuffalo or something?
16:26.55Arndtsuberb.
16:27.13dc__yeah. I have the buffalo, I think I may have got it at ebuyer.com
16:27.18dc__they have US store
16:28.06dc__woah!
16:28.17dc__256MB compact flash for $12.78
16:28.19dc__amazing
16:28.38Arndthttp://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=83089
16:28.40Arndtwoah
16:28.42Arndtshit!
16:28.43dc__oh bitch
16:28.44dc__no.
16:28.46Arndtno?
16:28.50dc__the image was different
16:28.51dc__heh
16:29.06Arndthehe
16:29.08dc__how evil is that. the text even says 256
16:29.20Arndtno damnit!
16:29.23ArndtI was getting my hopes up
16:29.28pb_heh
16:29.41dc__so was I
16:29.59Arndt46 bucks on pricewatch :(
16:30.01pb_dc__: do you know a good place to buy pci radeon cards with dvi out?
16:30.38dc__I got mine quite cheap from ebuyer.
16:30.53dc__pb_: and I can sell you a radeon 7000 dvi pci if you're after one ;-)
16:31.14dc__pb_: I bought it before I got my laptop, so a 9000pro is good enough for me now.
16:32.22dc__hehe, lucky fool.
16:32.36pb_dc__: aha
16:33.00pb_my main head is a 9200, but I guess a 7000 would probably be okay as secondary
16:33.26dc__yeah. I had tri screen setup with the 9000pro and 7000
16:33.45dc__http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=33799
16:33.49dc__that's the card I have Arndt
16:33.57Arndtk
16:34.39Arndthum...couldn't open page
16:34.45dc__m.
16:35.14Arndtk
16:35.15Arndtgot it
16:40.35Arndtdc: got to leave in a couple
16:42.39Arndtsee ya'll
16:43.35Arndtdc: I'll be back on aim in a bit, but not at home
16:47.34pb_dc__: how much would you want for the 7000?
16:48.44dc__pb_: well, seen as they're only 27 pounds retail now. I guess I could send it in repayment for the ac adapter and snes controler stuff ;-)
16:49.38pb_heh.  well, that'd be cool.
16:49.53pb_of course, I still have to actually buy a second monitor, but still.
16:50.30dc__hehe, yeah
16:51.18dc__<PROTECTED>
16:51.57dc__my radeon 9000pro does dual screen with vga and dvi
16:51.58pb_no, it only has one dvi output.  I guess I could use the vga for the other head.
16:52.08dc__indeed.
16:52.24dc__oh right. using lcd right?
16:52.26pb_the dvi looks significantly better though with the screen I have
16:52.42pb_and I guess subpixel antialiasing doesn't work with vga.
16:53.07pb_yeah, using lcd
16:53.32dc__well. I'd have a look at using the dvi on the radeon 7000.
16:54.43pb_right
17:27.32dc__yay. gnome.
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19:02.29CAMCAMHi everyone
19:02.34fliplaphoy
19:03.37CAMCAMWhen I compare the way GPE refresh the screen with Opie, I find a lot of flashing event ... Why
19:04.03fliplapshrug, might be cause GPE runs on X, Opie is framebuffer
19:05.18CAMCAMBut why X work like this. Why for example it redraws the clean the entire screen before filling it ?
19:05.49CAMCAMWhy for example it  clean the entire screen before filling it ?
19:06.14fliplapshrug
19:06.18CAMCAMIsn't there a way to speed up all this ?
19:06.48CAMCAMand make it more... friendly.
19:06.49fliplapno idea
19:06.50CAMCAM;)
19:07.03fliplapi've only been playing with GPE for a day or so
19:07.22CAMCAMfliplap: :)
19:07.32dc___:-)
19:07.54pb_CAMCAM: sounds like a bug.
19:08.13pb_dc___: thanks for alerting us to that :-)
19:08.59dc___must....foood........brb.
19:09.48CAMCAMpb_: for GPE, X is only a way to share windows. I don't really understand why it's so slow
19:10.18CAMCAMDoes someone already work on a wxWindows port for GPE/Familiar ?
19:10.21pb_CAMCAM: what hardware are you using, and which programs?
19:11.18CAMCAMiPaq 3870 with GPE. But it's Matchbox that give me the feeling to be slow
19:11.55CAMCAMSame thing for Yopy 3700 with X11/GTK+1.2 versious Yopy 3700 with Qtopia 1.7
19:13.03CAMCAMOn the iPaq, I can see while applications are redrawing.
19:13.41fliplapworks fine on my Zaurus 5500
19:14.36CAMCAMAnd you don't see when screen is quicly clear before be filling ?
19:15.13fliplapshrug
19:15.17fliplapno
19:15.31fliplapi mean, alittle, but nothing terrible
19:15.32CAMCAMI don't think that I'm Sangoku (DBZ),  with electronic eyes ;)
19:16.18CAMCAMIf you use Qtopia or Opie, you wouldn't see anything...
19:17.44fliplapi actually use both gpe and opie on my Zaurus
19:17.56fliplapi just wrote little scripts to switch between the 2
19:22.05jhamay i paste an 11 lines error?
19:23.07jha~ # su jha -c /usr/bin/gpe-calendar
19:23.08jha(gpe-calendar:579): Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting from UTF-8 to STRING: Conversion from character set 'UTF-8' to 'ISO-8859-1' is not supported
19:23.13jha(gpe-calendar:579): Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting from UTF-8 to STRING: Conversion from character set 'UTF-8' to 'ISO-8859-1' is not supported
19:23.16jhaSIGKILL
19:23.19jha~ #            
19:23.22jhacan anybody help?
19:24.21pb_with which part?
19:24.57pb_the Gdk-WARNINGs mean that you are in a legacy locale, and don't have gconv-iso8859-1 installed.
19:25.05pb_the SIGKILL probably means that you are out of memory.
19:32.22jhai saw that out of memory messages on my last system whe i was logge in with minicom
19:32.35jhais there a way to fix it
19:32.36jha?
19:34.39jhai have a 3130 ipaq with 16 mb memory
19:36.30CAMCAMjha: yes, you can by a iPaq 5550
19:36.34CAMCAM:)
19:36.37jhagreat
19:37.05jhai do not even have the money to buy some food before my parents come back from holiday
19:39.29jhais there an older version which needs less memory?
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20:38.08dc__yo mallum
20:38.16dc__mallum: going good?
20:38.29mallumdc__: yeah ok
20:38.43mallumand you ?
20:38.48dc__yep.
20:39.05dc__powerbook gets sent of tomorrow, thank god, lets hope they get it fixed.
20:41.30dc__mallum: oh, btw, where did you get your Z from?
20:41.37dc__mallum: or did you buy it on site right?
20:41.53mallumdc__: yeah I got it from a shop
20:42.30dc__mallum: do you remember how much?
20:44.05mallumyeah 68,000 yen
20:48.18dc__cool
20:48.31dc__a guy  I know is wanting to get one
20:48.41dc__he's an sdl games porter.
20:49.17CAMCAMkkkk
20:49.22mallumdc__: ok
20:49.22dc__k!
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21:48.10floriannight...
21:49.05pb_jha: you could try familiar 0.6.
21:49.08pb_florian: night
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