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| 07:26.18 | florian | hi al |
| 07:26.22 | florian | l |
| 07:27.41 | pigeon | hi florian |
| 07:36.34 | florian | pigeon: morning |
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| 10:44.56 | florian_kc | re |
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| 12:16.49 | elephantum | good afternoon |
| 12:17.45 | florian_kc | hi elephantum |
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| 12:29.05 | dc_ | just is biology ;-] |
| 12:29.20 | dc_ | s/is/in/ |
| 12:31.36 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 12:35.31 | dc_ | mallum: everything going well? |
| 12:36.08 | mallum | dc_: yep |
| 12:36.18 | mallum | dc_: just hacked a tslib driver for the TC1000 :-) |
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| 12:36.37 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 12:37.00 | mallum | jsmanrique: PHWACK ! |
| 12:37.28 | jsmanrique | mallum: what? |
| 12:37.42 | mallum | jsmanrique: PHWACK PHWACK PHACK !!! |
| 12:38.25 | jsmanrique | mallum: are you alright? |
| 12:38.29 | jsmanrique | mallum: I don't understand |
| 12:38.38 | mallum | ~lart jsmanrique |
| 12:39.14 | jsmanrique | mallum: lart? is it still alive? |
| 12:39.26 | mallum | ~lart jsmanrique |
| 12:39.29 | dc_ | PHWACK! |
| 12:39.31 | mallum | ~lart jsmanrique |
| 12:39.40 | jsmanrique | I don't understand |
| 12:39.41 | mallum | ~lart jsmanrique |
| 12:39.51 | jsmanrique | any new kind of new drug? |
| 12:39.53 | mallum | ~lart jsmanrique |
| 12:40.21 | jsmanrique | mallum: what does ~lart jsmanrique mean? |
| 12:40.28 | mallum | ~lart jsmanrique |
| 12:40.46 | mallum | ~insult jsmanrique |
| 12:40.54 | pigeon | ~lart pigeon |
| 12:41.06 | mallum | ~lart himself |
| 12:41.16 | pigeon | ~lart ibot |
| 12:41.16 | mallum | jsmanrique: geedit yet ? |
| 12:41.58 | jsmanrique | what a madness |
| 12:42.07 | jsmanrique | I don't understand.. nothing |
| 12:42.13 | mallum | a madness |
| 12:42.17 | mallum | thats porr english |
| 12:42.21 | mallum | ;-) |
| 12:42.48 | pigeon | what a mallum |
| 12:44.33 | mallum | jsmanrique: only messing with you friend |
| 12:45.48 | jsmanrique | mallum: I suppose that |
| 12:46.05 | mallum | jsmanrique: have you found a handheld yet ? |
| 12:51.29 | mallum | jsmanrique: this may be worth a look : http://balloonboard.org/ |
| 12:54.44 | dc_ | bbl, chemistry. |
| 12:55.32 | jsmanrique | mallum: seeing it |
| 12:58.49 | jsmanrique | it is StrongARM |
| 13:00.18 | mallum | yes |
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| 15:16.19 | elephantum | florian_kc: about gpe-contects |
| 15:16.37 | elephantum | florian_kc: I think I corrected it all |
| 15:17.09 | elephantum | florian_kc: not all, but it is possible now to make tab with any letters |
| 15:18.00 | elephantum | florian_kc: but how can I compile it for my ipaq? I`m not very good at this stuff. |
| 15:19.31 | florian_kc | elephantum: Do you have a cross-toolchain installed? |
| 15:21.34 | elephantum | florian_kc: considering I dont know what is that, I think I dont have it installed =) |
| 15:22.22 | florian_kc | okay... wait... |
| 15:24.27 | florian_kc | elephantum: http://handhelds.org/~nils/skiff-arm-cross-gtk-2.2-idoru-030928.tar.bz2 |
| 15:24.54 | florian_kc | elephantum: Get this - yes, it is large - but contains the complete stuff you need. |
| 15:25.13 | florian_kc | elephantum: Ok, i assume you use an x86 PC. |
| 15:26.08 | elephantum | florian_kc: yep. I`ll dload it now |
| 15:26.27 | florian_kc | elephantum: Unpack it to / at your PC, you'll a directory /skiff containing your complete crosscompile stuff. |
| 15:28.20 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok. in 5 min it will be dloaded |
| 15:29.49 | florian_kc | elephantum: Great - sounds like a fast network connection :-) |
| 15:30.33 | elephantum | florian_kc: yeah... educational networks are fast and free even in russia =) |
| 15:31.21 | florian_kc | elephantum: This toolchain consists of a x86->arm crosscompiler, binutils and many libraries compiled for arm. |
| 15:31.50 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok... |
| 15:32.21 | florian_kc | elephantum: Using it is sometimes a little bit tricky - basically you'll need to convince make to use the correct compiler and the compiler to use the correct libraries. |
| 15:33.49 | elephantum | ergh... I think you`ll help me? =) |
| 15:35.30 | florian_kc | Sure :-) in /skiff/local/bin are the compiler binaries, you should add this directory to your PATH |
| 15:35.51 | elephantum | ok, it downloaded |
| 15:36.55 | florian_kc | maybe add this to your PATH in .profile or similar... |
| 15:37.51 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok, I`ll do it now. it extracts as long as it downloaded... |
| 15:38.15 | florian_kc | The crosscompiler has a prefix "arm-linux-" so it will not prevent you using your native compiler. |
| 15:39.12 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok |
| 15:39.53 | elephantum | florian_kc: to compile using it I should set CC, so? |
| 15:40.31 | florian_kc | elephantum: Exactly... set it in environment or pass it to make. |
| 15:41.23 | elephantum | florian_kc: hmm... it seems that I even know smth. but how can I get package after I compile it? |
| 15:41.25 | florian_kc | elephantum: Then you'll need to tell pkg-config to use the correct configuration: |
| 15:41.34 | florian_kc | export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/skiff/local/arm-linux/lib/pkgconfig/ |
| 15:42.07 | florian_kc | elephantum: Do you have a complete gpe checkout? |
| 15:42.54 | elephantum | florian_kc: if cvs co gpe does so the sure I do |
| 15:43.06 | elephantum | s/the/then |
| 15:44.57 | elephantum | florian_kc: and about arm-linux-g++ how well do it support standart? |
| 15:45.18 | elephantum | s/do/does/ |
| 15:45.26 | florian_kc | elephantum: Yep... at least you need the "build" directory. |
| 15:46.02 | elephantum | "build"? what do you mean? |
| 15:47.19 | florian_kc | elephantum: This is the name if this directory - it is located in the directory called "base". |
| 15:48.07 | elephantum | I looked in "gpe" and couldn`t find it. ok it is there |
| 15:50.01 | florian_kc | elephantum: This should be a gc++ 2.95 compiler - with the difference to the native ones that this works on x86 and produces arm binaries. But use arm-linux-gcc (not g++) for gpe. |
| 15:50.35 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok. |
| 15:51.59 | florian_kc | elephantum: To test it on an iPAQ you'll only need to copy the resulting binary to your iPAQ. (to reduce it's size use arm-linux-strip before this) |
| 15:52.43 | florian_kc | elephantum: To make a package there is the target "ipkg". |
| 15:53.47 | elephantum | florian_kc: as I understood I do next: cd la-la-la/gpe/base/gpe-contacts; make; make ipkg; so? |
| 15:56.15 | florian_kc | elephantum: make clean before using the crosscompiler... :-) |
| 15:56.42 | florian_kc | elephantum: Try - it hink gpe-contacts should compile out of the box... |
| 15:57.51 | elephantum | smt goes wrong: /skiff/local/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -ldisplaymigration |
| 15:58.44 | elephantum | I have libdisplaymigration-dev installed (I use debian) |
| 16:01.01 | florian_kc | elephantum: ah i see... i think this is included from the directory above... look here ../libdisplaymigration or ../libdm. |
| 16:01.30 | elephantum | should I build it first? |
| 16:01.38 | florian_kc | elephantum: yep |
| 16:01.45 | elephantum | ok |
| 16:02.41 | elephantum | florian_kc: wow... it do smth =))) |
| 16:04.52 | elephantum | florian_kc: I said make ipkg. It downloaded a lot .po files and now sleeping... |
| 16:05.37 | florian_kc | elephantum: ah yes, latest build scripts try to update the translations atomatically. |
| 16:06.09 | florian_kc | elephantum: for development you shouldn't need to create packages, copying the binary is much easier. |
| 16:06.09 | elephantum | florian_kc: I can forgive it to download some files, but not to sleep |
| 16:06.49 | elephantum | florian_kc: I wanted to try whole process till the end |
| 16:07.14 | florian_kc | elephantum: right... i'm not sure why it does this, must be a new "feature" or bug :-/ |
| 16:07.38 | elephantum | florian_kc: oh... and I have no ipkg-build as appeared |
| 16:08.32 | florian_kc | elephantum: ok, latest ipkg-utils are in... i think in apps cvs... |
| 16:10.12 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok, thanks. I tried to upload and start only binary. but it sais that cannot open libdisplaymigration.so.0 |
| 16:11.32 | florian_kc | elephantum: /cvs/ipkg-utils, you won't need to comile it - these are python scripts |
| 16:12.21 | florian_kc | elephantum: Do you have familiar stable installed? This lib was renamed some time ago... just copy this file too. |
| 16:13.34 | elephantum | florian_kc: yeah, I have 0.7.1 installed |
| 16:13.56 | elephantum | florian_kc: into /usr/lib ? |
| 16:14.25 | florian_kc | elephantum: yep, run ldconfig after this to make sure it is found |
| 16:14.39 | elephantum | florian_kc: what is the easiest way to upload files to pda? I`m tired of typing my pass for scp |
| 16:16.16 | florian_kc | elephantum: then create a file for public key authentication. place a file with your public id in $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 16:16.27 | elephantum | florian_kc: hmm... it seems I have to make package because single binary cannot find pixmaps to use |
| 16:16.59 | florian_kc | elephantum: Then your prefix is wrong... |
| 16:18.02 | florian_kc | elephantum: The default in Makefile is /usr/local while the installed stuff uses /usr, try "make PREFIX=/usr" |
| 16:18.31 | elephantum | I didn`t change anything it configs. I thought that it should use the same options |
| 16:18.52 | elephantum | no... it cant find files in /usr/share/pixmaps/ |
| 16:19.58 | florian_kc | Do you have gpe-contacts installed? |
| 16:20.11 | elephantum | florian_kc: yes |
| 16:20.29 | elephantum | florian_kc: at least I can run it =) |
| 16:21.48 | elephantum | florian_kc: no, I have no package gpe-contacts installed |
| 16:21.52 | cmarqu | Hi. |
| 16:21.54 | florian_kc | Strange... these pixmaps should be there - maybe this is an error in current code. |
| 16:22.25 | florian_kc | elephantum: ahh.... then try to create the package or install it from feed to have all files to run gpe-contacts |
| 16:22.30 | elephantum | florian_kc: I ran "make install" on my PC and it worked |
| 16:22.31 | florian_kc | hi cmarqu |
| 16:22.55 | elephantum | cmarqu: hi |
| 16:23.20 | cmarqu | Hmm, what defines the top level items in mbdesktop, i.e. the "Settings"? |
| 16:23.28 | cmarqu | mbdesktop itself? |
| 16:23.31 | elephantum | florian_kc: yes, I`m trying. but make ipkg sleeps again |
| 16:23.41 | florian_kc | cmarqu: I think so - maybe the vfolders... |
| 16:25.03 | florian_kc | elephantum: nasty, works fine here... do you maybe have trouble with your dns? |
| 16:25.10 | florian_kc | cmarqu: how is it? |
| 16:25.46 | elephantum | florian_kc: dunno, maybe... |
| 16:25.59 | florian_kc | brb |
| 16:26.07 | cmarqu | florian_kc: Going okay. |
| 16:27.51 | elephantum | *** Warning: The following files have a UID greater than 99. |
| 16:27.51 | elephantum | You probably want to chown these to a system user: |
| 16:27.58 | elephantum | why should I do that? |
| 16:28.58 | elephantum | florian_kc: solution was to set path to ipkg-build files |
| 16:33.13 | florian_kc | elephantum: okay, great :-) |
| 16:33.43 | elephantum | florian_kc: hmmm... now it dont want to start =(. |
| 16:33.59 | florian_kc | elephantum: waht does it tell you? |
| 16:34.21 | elephantum | gpe-contacts: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 16:34.40 | elephantum | florian_kc: may be it because of .po files? |
| 16:35.38 | florian_kc | elephantum: This is caused by a wrong strip... pass STRIP=arm-linux-strip to make ipkg |
| 16:36.20 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok |
| 16:37.10 | florian_kc | elephantum: If you frefer not to set these things manually you may change your PATH to start with /skiff/local/arm-linux/bin. |
| 16:38.08 | florian_kc | elephantum: In this directory are the compiler binaries without prefix, but while having this set you can't use your native compiler from this shell. |
| 16:41.12 | elephantum | florian_kc: still the same. |
| 16:41.24 | elephantum | florian_kc: how should I run make? |
| 16:41.38 | cmarqu | elephantum: use fakeroot ipkg-build to get rid of the UID warning |
| 16:41.56 | elephantum | cmarqu: oh, thanks |
| 16:43.23 | florian_kc | elephantum: fakeroot make CC=arm-linux-gcc PREFIX=/usr ipkg |
| 16:44.38 | florian_kc | elephantum: fakeroot make CC=arm-linux-gcc PREFIX=/usr STRIP=arm-linux-strip ipkg |
| 16:47.33 | elephantum | florian_kc: still the same stuff about '(' |
| 16:48.17 | florian_kc | elephantum: For some reason your binary is broken... |
| 16:48.34 | florian_kc | elephantum: Did you remove the old package before installing the new one? |
| 16:49.29 | elephantum | florian_kc: yes |
| 16:50.16 | cmarqu | Hmm, are we supposed to add a Depends on the gpe-foo-locale* files to packages now? |
| 16:51.25 | florian_kc | elephantum: What gives you "file gpe-contacts" in your gpe-contacts directory? |
| 16:51.50 | florian_kc | cmarqu: Someone told me about this... does this work properly? |
| 16:52.26 | elephantum | florian_kc: gpe-contacts: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 16:52.39 | cmarqu | florian_kc: Libor Klepac told me that it's missing in gpe-ownerinfo, and I see it in other packages, so I assume it is right. |
| 16:54.22 | florian_kc | elephantum: This is ok - do the same with the file in familiar/dist/usr/bin. |
| 16:54.48 | cmarqu | elephantum: BTW, any luck with the cyrillic fonts yet? |
| 16:55.03 | elephantum | florian_kc: familiar/dist/usr/bin/gpe-contacts: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, no machine, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 16:55.10 | florian_kc | cmarqu: Ah yes... ok, let's do so :-) |
| 16:55.17 | elephantum | cmarqu: I installed ms webfonts |
| 16:55.38 | cmarqu | elephantum: Cool. Do you have some scaps? |
| 16:55.50 | florian_kc | elephantum: And this is broken :-( Let me find out why... |
| 16:56.04 | elephantum | cmarqu: I can one for you right now =) |
| 16:56.39 | cmarqu | elephantum: Would be nice, thanks. Where did you put them eventually? |
| 16:57.29 | elephantum | cmarqu: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6548.png |
| 16:57.57 | elephantum | cmarqu: in fonts/ttf |
| 16:58.05 | elephantum | cmarqu: with others |
| 16:58.06 | cmarqu | Nice. |
| 16:58.32 | florian_kc | elephantum: This is a bug in build scripts... i'll try to find out where. |
| 16:58.49 | elephantum | cmarqu: xkbd cant calculate right widths for now, but I`ll correct it I think |
| 16:59.00 | elephantum | florian_kc: it would be very nice |
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| 17:01.39 | cmarqu | Hi pb_ |
| 17:01.54 | elephantum | pb_: hi |
| 17:02.44 | pb_ | hi cmarqu |
| 17:02.47 | pb_ | hi elephantum |
| 17:04.24 | florian_kc | elephantum: a workaround would be to set a different PATH like PATH=/skiff/local/arm-linux/bin:$PATH |
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| 17:04.43 | florian_kc | hi pb_ |
| 17:04.48 | florian_kc | hi herzi |
| 17:04.50 | elephantum | florian_kc: ok, I`ll try now |
| 17:04.51 | pb_ | hi florian_kc |
| 17:05.04 | herzi | hi florian_kc |
| 17:05.28 | florian_kc | pb_: Is there a way to make ipkg-build use a arm-linux-strip? |
| 17:06.05 | pb_ | florian_kc: does ipkg-build use strip at all? I didn't think it did. |
| 17:07.49 | cmarqu | pb_: Would you build a new gpe-ownerinfo package for me? Everything should be ready in CVS. (and no hurry.) |
| 17:08.24 | florian_kc | pb_: "fakeroot make CC=arm-linux-gcc PREFIX=/usr STRIP=arm-linux-strip ipkg" creates a broken binary... and i can't find a rule that calls strip from gpe-contacts Makefile |
| 17:09.43 | pb_ | cmarqu: will do |
| 17:09.48 | cmarqu | florian_kc: Wasn't install -s the right thing to use? |
| 17:10.08 | cmarqu | pb_: Thanks. Please take a short look at the ChangeLog before. |
| 17:10.09 | pb_ | florian_kc: sounds like a bug in install. |
| 17:10.19 | florian_kc | cmarqu: let me see... |
| 17:10.22 | elephantum | yyyyeehhaaa! =) it works. |
| 17:10.53 | florian_kc | ahh cool! :-) |
| 17:11.27 | florian_kc | cmarqu: right - it is done by install -s... but this should honor $STRIP |
| 17:17.10 | florian_kc | Ah, doing strip without install works fine... |
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| 17:21.08 | mallum | hi |
| 17:21.14 | elephantum | !!! it works =) with unicode. almost... still have one bug. but I`ll correct it |
| 17:21.19 | cmarqu | Hi mallum |
| 17:21.36 | elephantum | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5180.png |
| 17:21.39 | elephantum | mallum: ho |
| 17:21.44 | elephantum | mallum: I mean hi |
| 17:21.45 | elephantum | =) |
| 17:22.18 | florian_kc | hi mallum |
| 17:22.26 | mallum | elephantum: are the widths still all messed up ? |
| 17:22.30 | mallum | hi florian_kc |
| 17:22.44 | florian_kc | Fix for crosscompiling gpe-contacts is in... |
| 17:23.01 | cmarqu | mallum: Say... are the strings for the vfolder names in mbdesktop defined in the mbdesktop package itself? |
| 17:23.14 | elephantum | mallum: yeah.. and I wanted to ask smth else |
| 17:23.22 | pb_ | florian_kc: I think it would be better to fix install to dtrt. |
| 17:23.44 | elephantum | mallum: why do Cyrrilic_ze doesnt work, then Cyrillic_ZE works? |
| 17:23.49 | mallum | cmarqu: yes |
| 17:24.04 | cmarqu | mallum: ok, thanks |
| 17:24.07 | mallum | elephantum: no ... |
| 17:24.19 | elephantum | mallum: ??? |
| 17:24.32 | mallum | elephantum: sorry I dont know the answer |
| 17:24.45 | mallum | cmarqu: did you want to change them ? |
| 17:25.05 | elephantum | mallum: then how do xkbd send keystrokes? |
| 17:25.12 | florian_kc | pb_: Right... |
| 17:25.18 | mallum | elephantum: voodoo basically |
| 17:25.41 | mallum | elephantum: are you talking about the keysym names ? |
| 17:26.06 | cmarqu | mallum: No, just add a note for translators of gpe-ownerinfo so that they can match their translation of "Configurable with <i>Owner Information</i> under <i>Settings</i>." |
| 17:26.37 | elephantum | mallum: yeah... sorry. =) I didn`t imagine that think about smth else than xkbd =) |
| 17:26.37 | mallum | cmarqu: ok. the vfolder names are tranlatable too |
| 17:27.01 | florian_kc | This reminds me to work on vcard import from contacts.... |
| 17:27.02 | mallum | elephantum: unfortunatly I spend most of my time thinking about matchbox t |
| 17:27.05 | cmarqu | mallum: Yep. The translators should just make sure these match. |
| 17:27.24 | elephantum | mallum: I see... then, you dont know? |
| 17:27.53 | mallum | cmarqu: in fact all text displayed by matchbox is translatable. but I havn't submitted it to any translation service ... dunno how all that works |
| 17:28.14 | mallum | elephantum: maybe Cyrrilic_ze is not defined in keysym.h |
| 17:28.30 | cmarqu | mallum: Well, just making sure I won't have to touch it again in the near future. |
| 17:28.33 | elephantum | hmm... I`ll take a look |
| 17:29.15 | cmarqu | Uh. My pot file only contains half of the translations. |
| 17:29.50 | cmarqu | Ah. Hmm. |
| 17:30.15 | elephantum | florian_kc: bb |
| 17:30.54 | elephantum | mallum: where is it located? |
| 17:39.34 | elephantum | mallum: can you take a look at your keysymdef.h if there XK_Cyrillic_ze defined? |
| 17:39.59 | elephantum | mallum: I have this definition in mine |
| 17:41.29 | elephantum | I`ll be back in 20-30 min |
| 17:43.26 | pb_ | I see Libor has gained access to the TP server now. :-) |
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| 17:44.49 | cmarqu | pb_: Yep, that's also the reason for my gpe-ownerinfo changes :) |
| 17:45.05 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 17:45.31 | pb_ | I should finish deploying this batch upload thing on handhelds.org then. |
| 17:45.48 | cmarqu | pb_: I just checked in more stuff BTW. Can I add gpe-ownerinfo to MEMBERS just like that? |
| 17:46.09 | cmarqu | It only had main, and the pot file was not getting all strings. |
| 17:47.01 | pb_ | cmarqu: It might be better to just have SOURCES include $(LIB_SOURCES). |
| 17:47.48 | pb_ | Adding it to MEMBERS shouldn't hurt anything either, though. |
| 17:48.30 | mallum | elephantum|away: my keysym.h will be just the same as yours ( assuming 4.3 X ) |
| 17:50.08 | cmarqu | pb_: Right, using LIB_SOURCES is cleaner. |
| 17:50.33 | cmarqu | Uh, LIB_MEMBERS. |
| 17:50.55 | pb_ | Oh, yeah, right. |
| 17:59.05 | mallum | cmarqu: fell free to add a german pot file to mb ( its very small ) |
| 18:07.03 | cmarqu | mallum: Hmm, can you send me an up-to-date pot file? auto* doesn't want to work again so that I can generate it |
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| 18:14.14 | elephantum|away | mallum: then whats a heck? |
| 18:23.12 | pb_ | cmarqu: are you ready for me to compile gpe-ownerinfo now? |
| 18:23.52 | pb_ | I guess what's actually needed is for me to recompile gpe-login against the new ownerinfo library. |
| 18:24.32 | cmarqu | pb_: Yes, indeed. I hope that works. I'm finished I think. |
| 18:24.45 | pb_ | Okay, let me begin. |
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| 18:27.09 | florian | re |
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| 19:05.39 | pb_ | btw, translation packages will need a Source: header now |
| 19:06.10 | pb_ | I just checked in a change to the makefiles that should arrange this automatically for GPE programs using Makefile.translation to do the packaging. |
| 19:10.58 | cmarqu | pb_: Oh, cool. |
| 19:13.03 | pb_ | And there's also now a facility to upload multiple files to the feed in one go, without having to sign them all individually. |
| 19:13.23 | cmarqu | How do you do that as a user? |
| 19:13.52 | cmarqu | Well, I mean, as an uploader :) |
| 19:14.00 | pb_ | You need the latest version of ipkg-upload (from ipkg-utils CVS). Just do "ipkg-upload gpe-ownerinfo_N.NN.batch" or whatever. |
| 19:14.14 | pb_ | (Makefile.dpkg_ipkg and Makefile.translation will collude to build the .batch file for you automatically.) |
| 19:14.18 | france | pb_: Well Done! |
| 19:14.32 | pb_ | france: :-) |
| 19:31.00 | mallum | cmarqu: you dont need to touch any auto stuff, just copy an existing po file and make german then mail it |
| 19:33.16 | mallum | elephantum: a heck ? |
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| 19:35.15 | dc_ | yay1 |
| 19:35.17 | dc_ | 1 |
| 19:35.19 | dc_ | ! |
| 19:35.21 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 19:35.25 | dc_ | bah. I have my wifi working great now. |
| 19:35.27 | dc_ | pb_: hey! |
| 19:35.31 | pb_ | dc_: congratulations |
| 19:35.37 | pb_ | all because of that firmware update? |
| 19:35.58 | dc_ | yep. and putting it in my bathroom which is in the center top floor of the house |
| 19:36.03 | pb_ | aha |
| 19:36.07 | dc_ | so it works everywhere through the wooden floors |
| 19:36.13 | dc_ | so I can watch tv and irc! |
| 19:36.13 | dc_ | yay |
| 19:38.23 | pb_ | rock! |
| 19:38.25 | dc_ | pb_: they're picking up my laptop on monday |
| 19:38.31 | pb_ | aha |
| 19:38.35 | dc_ | then when I get it back I'll install debian |
| 19:38.43 | dc_ | and begin gpe again :-) |
| 19:38.46 | pb_ | excellent! |
| 19:39.59 | pb_ | mm, I should buy some new wifi equipment for my house. |
| 19:47.22 | pb_ | florian: could you upload a new gpe-contacts to address this .desktop lossage? |
| 19:48.20 | florian | pb_: sure... give me some minutes. |
| 19:48.45 | mallum | florian, pb_: I think gpe-edit and gpe-filemanager are also missing .desktop extensions |
| 19:48.59 | elephantum | mallum: I meant what is the problem then? |
| 19:49.22 | mallum | elephantum: I dont really understand the question |
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| 19:49.36 | dc__ | bah |
| 19:49.41 | pb_ | mallum: ah, right. |
| 19:49.46 | pb_ | florian: thanks! |
| 19:49.58 | dc__ | now I just have to wait for it to be fixed on monday :-/ |
| 19:50.01 | mallum | pb_: greader was the only other one I noticed |
| 19:50.07 | dc__ | yo mallum |
| 19:50.32 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 19:51.02 | pb_ | mallum: Thomas Baker posted a big list on the mailing list. |
| 19:51.08 | pb_ | he missed out filemanager though |
| 19:51.19 | elephantum | mallum: I cant understand why do some keystrokes not work in xkbd |
| 19:51.50 | mallum | elephantum: do they work in big X ? |
| 19:56.46 | cmarqu | mallum: Hmm, but the po files in apps/matchbox/po/ do not have e.g. "Utilities" in them, how do I translate these? |
| 19:57.36 | mallum | cmarqu: Thats not done by gettext. the foldr names are specified in .desktop style files in data/vfolders |
| 19:59.24 | florian | pb_: Is there a way to prevent "make ipkg" from updateing the po files? |
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| 20:13.03 | cmarqu | :/ |
| 20:13.31 | dc_ | hey |
| 20:14.16 | dc_ | heh |
| 20:15.06 | cmarqu | Did I miss anything? |
| 20:15.26 | cmarqu | Last thing I saw was my question to mallum. |
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| 20:16.20 | cmarqu | Ooops? |
| 20:16.23 | mallum | <mallum> cmarqu: Thats not done by gettext. the foldr names are specified in .desktop style files in data/vfolders |
| 20:16.51 | cmarqu | mallum: Ah. |
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| 20:20.21 | elephantum | mallum: yes |
| 20:31.46 | mallum | elephantum: I suspect its a tinyX odity then as big X has all the joy of XKB extension whilst tinyX just reads its keys strait from the kernel |
| 20:31.59 | mallum | elephantum: I believe a solution is to change your kernels codeset |
| 20:33.25 | elephantum | mallum: wow. mmm... I cant understand all you said, and I have to go now. I wish to see you here tomorrow and I`ll ask you about it in details, ok? |
| 20:33.58 | mallum | elephantum: I dont really know the details |
| 20:34.09 | mallum | elephantum: I think it is spung you need to talk to |
| 20:34.23 | mallum | elephantum: I believe he did that mechasim before to get the missing keys |
| 20:35.11 | elephantum | mallum: it is like a quest =) talk to one man, he points to another, talk to him, ask some correct questions =) |
| 20:35.27 | mallum | elephantum: yep |
| 20:35.36 | elephantum | mallum: thanks =) I`ll talk talk to spung |
| 20:36.27 | elephantum | good night |
| 20:36.33 | mallum | good night dudeo |
| 20:36.51 | florian | night elephantum |
| 20:48.29 | mallum | cmarqu: many thanks |
| 20:49.08 | cmarqu | mallum: np. Will look into the vfolders later |
| 20:50.16 | mallum | cmarqu: cool |
| 20:50.35 | cmarqu | Aaahhhh. These are already translated. But the German translation for "Settings" is very likely too long. |
| 20:50.39 | mallum | cmarqu: I think if you look in vfolders-desktop most of the translations are there as that strait from gnome |
| 20:51.50 | cmarqu | mallum: They also mention Gnome a lot, maybe delete everything with "gnome" and "gnome-" already? |
| 20:51.58 | pb_ | florian: I don't think so. Is it a problem having it update them? |
| 20:52.04 | cmarqu | Ah no, it's not so easy in some cases. |
| 20:52.29 | mallum | cmarqu: hmm in vfolders-desktop ? |
| 20:53.02 | cmarqu | mallum: Yes. "Settings.desktop" - the comments. |
| 20:54.02 | mallum | cmarqu: okey Im not too bothered about the vfolders-desktop as thats only in CVS |
| 20:54.43 | mallum | cmarqu: if people really want to run matchbox on there desktop thats just there as a pointer for better menu setup and as another example on how to create your own menu structure |
| 20:54.45 | cmarqu | mallum: Oh. Which files should I look at again? |
| 20:54.53 | mallum | data/vfolders |
| 20:56.44 | cmarqu | mallum: And then extend them with German strings like in vfolders-desktop? |
| 20:57.23 | mallum | cmarqu: yep |
| 20:58.17 | cmarqu | mallum: Do you plan to use "Comment" soon? While I'm at it... |
| 20:59.36 | mallum | cmarqu: yeah may as well |
| 21:02.18 | florian | pb_: Not anymore... i had a local po that was more recent than the one on the server. |
| 21:04.16 | cmarqu | mallum: Hmm, how generic should such a comment be? In GPE, Settings collect everything one can set, but it may not be so on non-GPE matchboxes. |
| 21:04.38 | pb_ | florian: ah, right. |
| 21:04.54 | mallum | cmarqu: well then thats up to whoever to create there own vfolders |
| 21:05.01 | pb_ | florian: I guess you should send those .po files to the TP :-) |
| 21:05.34 | cmarqu | mallum: Ok. |
| 21:07.00 | cmarqu | Comment=Settings for your handheld |
| 21:07.07 | cmarqu | Too specific? |
| 21:09.08 | florian | pb_: does ipkg-upload file.batch upload the complete set of packages? |
| 21:09.16 | mallum | cmarqu: no thats fine |
| 21:09.23 | cmarqu | Cool. |
| 21:09.47 | pb_ | florian: yes |
| 21:10.51 | florian | pb_: It tells me "Uploading gpe-contacts_0.15.batch to unstable feed"... and then nothing happens... |
| 21:13.03 | pb_ | florian: consult gpe-contacts_0.15.batch.upload.html to find out what went wrong |
| 21:13.19 | florian | pb_: ok |
| 21:22.30 | florian | pb_: curl_formadd failed! curl: option -F was wrongly used! curl: try 'curl --help' for more information |
| 21:24.55 | pb_ | florian: aha |
| 21:27.37 | florian | pb_: Oh there are errors during make :-/ It complains about a missing Source field for the language packages. |
| 21:27.53 | pb_ | florian: did you update gpe/build? |
| 21:28.20 | pb_ | <pb_> btw, translation packages will need a Source: header now |
| 21:28.20 | pb_ | <pb_> I just checked in a change to the makefiles that should arrange this automatically for GPE programs using Makefile.translation to do the packaging. |
| 21:29.29 | florian | ah, looks like i messed this... |
| 21:29.46 | pb_ | that's gpe/base/build, of course. doh. |
| 21:30.05 | cmarqu | pb_: Now really, how can you say gpe/build! |
| 21:30.27 | pb_ | cmarqu: quite right. I should try to get a grip on myself. |
| 21:31.03 | cmarqu | Ni! |
| 21:33.37 | pb_ | florian: ah, you made it work |
| 21:34.47 | florian | pb_: yeah... nice - this will make uploading packages much easier :-) |
| 21:35.07 | pb_ | florian: yeah, uploading the translations was becoming a nightmare. |
| 21:35.44 | florian | pb_: Yep - libgpewidget must have been nasty... |
| 21:36.35 | pb_ | Exactly, and things like gtk and libc6 are even worse. |
| 21:37.15 | florian | oh yes - i forgot... there is some other stuff apart from gpe :-) |
| 21:37.33 | pb_ | hehe |
| 21:40.20 | florian | Does someone here need a DEC RL02 or RX02? |
| 21:41.21 | pb_ | well, I have a pdp-11 stashed away somewhere, but I doubt I will ever actually try to run code on it again. |
| 21:42.01 | florian | :-) |
| 21:42.51 | florian | Another nice device that is missing im my collection ;-) |
| 21:43.13 | pb_ | :-) |
| 21:44.50 | florian | Ok... software again :-) Let me look if libipkg conflicts with latest ipkg source... |
| 21:46.12 | pb_ | hm, I think mallum was mistaken about gpe-filemanager having problems with its .desktop. |
| 21:46.20 | pb_ | -rw-r--r-- root/root 187 2003-09-27 07:31:32 ./usr/share/applications/gpe-filemanager.desktop |
| 21:46.21 | pb_ | looks ok |
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| 21:52.15 | nelson | florian: do you take requests? :-) |
| 21:53.01 | florian | nelson: what for? |
| 21:53.14 | nelson | florian: I want an "ipstatus" progam. |
| 21:53.29 | nelson | It should do roughly this: |
| 21:53.38 | nelson | gw=`route -n | grep '^0\.0\.0\.0' | awk '{print $2 }'` |
| 21:53.38 | nelson | iface=`route -n | grep '^0\.0\.0\.0' | awk '{print $8 }'` |
| 21:53.38 | nelson | echo -$gw- -$iface- |
| 21:53.38 | nelson | ifconfig $iface | grep 'inet addr:' |
| 21:53.38 | nelson | if ping -c 5 $gw >/dev/null; then |
| 21:53.39 | nelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.41 | nelson | else |
| 21:53.43 | nelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.45 | nelson | fi |
| 21:53.47 | nelson | pid=$! |
| 21:53.49 | nelson | sleep 5 |
| 21:53.51 | nelson | kill $pid |
| 21:53.53 | nelson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.49 | nelson | In English, it shows you a red ball if you have no IP address, a yellow ball if you have an ip address and a default route, and a green ball if you can ping the default gateway. |
| 21:55.04 | nelson | I didn't get to writing the red ball part. |
| 21:55.31 | nelson | florian: the idea is that you have some idea of whether or not you have connectivity. |
| 21:55.45 | florian | Hey, this is a nice idea.... we need to free more space for small nice docks :-) |
| 21:56.29 | nelson | florian: and it could pop up a talk balloon that says how often the ping has succeeded, and how long since it last succeeded. |
| 21:57.04 | nelson | florian: it wouldn't be hard for me to write .... if I had a GPE compilation environment set up. |
| 21:57.24 | nelson | .... and knew how to write a GPE application. |
| 21:57.41 | florian | nelson: I'll add this to my todo... sounds like a nice job for a boring winter afternoon :-=) |
| 21:57.56 | nelson | florian: thanks! It will greatly increase the wireless usability. |
| 21:59.52 | pb_ | nelson: btw, we've had a spate of gpe-* uploads to unstable today, and I think it'd be good for all those packages to go into 0.7.2. |
| 22:00.24 | pb_ | it turns out that the new matchbox is a bit more particular about what it will show in the launcher, and half of gpe was missing. |
| 22:02.01 | nelson | pb_: ahhhhh, I see. Okay, will do. |
| 22:02.13 | dc__ | night night |
| 22:02.20 | pb_ | dc__: g'night |
| 22:02.49 | dc__ | pb_: talk later. |
| 22:06.42 | florian | not better :-/ |
| 22:06.44 | cmarqu | pb_: Is gpe-ownerinfo/gpe-login looking okay? |
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| 22:07.06 | florian | ok, i need some sleep... night all! |
| 22:07.13 | cmarqu | Night florian |
| 22:10.19 | pb_ | cmarqu: It compiled okay. I don't have my ipaq on hand right now to test it though, so I was slightly hesitant to upload. |
| 22:10.27 | pb_ | I'll do that tomorrow, probably. |
| 22:11.37 | cmarqu | pb_: That's fine. I'll make a dist already and upload it to the TP project, that should be fine. |
| 22:11.43 | cmarqu | pb_: Thanks. |
| 22:12.17 | pb_ | cmarqu: Okay, great. |
| 22:18.13 | cmarqu | pb_: There is no automatism for uploading a pot file, right |
| 22:18.15 | cmarqu | ? |
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| 22:40.13 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 22:40.41 | jsmanrique | using xchat in ipaq with wifi is funny |
| 22:41.18 | jsmanrique | I miss a Firebird like here ;-) |
| 22:59.50 | pb_ | cmarqu: No, that's right. |
| 23:00.12 | pb_ | cmarqu: just make source and then send a note to the TP by hand. It might be nice one day to automate that a little more. |
| 23:01.40 | cmarqu | pb_: Yeah. Maybe by printing "mail -s gpe-foo-0.1.po ..." or so. |
| 23:03.05 | cmarqu | Okay, to bed now. Night all. |
| 23:03.37 | pb_ | Night. |
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| 23:15.07 | spung | elephantum|zzz: wassup? |
| 23:15.27 | pb_ | spung: would you make a new gpe-today to fix the .desktop business, if you haven't already? |
| 23:16.26 | spung | pb_: what was the issue? |
| 23:16.52 | pb_ | spung: new matchbox is more picky about the contents of /usr/share/applications. it will ignore files that don't have ".desktop" in their names. |
| 23:16.59 | spung | ah |
| 23:17.03 | pb_ | so this: |
| 23:17.04 | pb_ | -rw-r--r-- root/root 310 2003-04-21 12:04:26 ./usr/share/applications/gpe-today |
| 23:17.06 | pb_ | is no good. |
| 23:17.17 | spung | ahh, i guess i should read my mail :) |
| 23:17.18 | moray | pb_: ah right; I'd fixed a couple I noticed when doing the Debian stuff |
| 23:17.38 | moray | pb_: (since GNOME's menu at least behaved in the same way) |
| 23:17.54 | pb_ | moray: yep, you did indeed, though in many cases the Familiar packages hadn't been updated since. |
| 23:18.59 | moray | pb_: ah yes, that's believable |
| 23:19.44 | pb_ | jsmanrique: you might try gpe-edit 0.20 and see if that .txt bug still happens for you. |
| 23:23.10 | jsmanrique | ok |
