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| 06:17.32 | amd | hi, is someone working on a gentoo support? |
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| 07:19.05 | florian | morning |
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| 08:43.49 | amd | how get the pkgconfig definition files installed? |
| 08:44.15 | amd | make install doesn't install them... |
| 08:49.59 | amd | ah.. found i guess.. |
| 08:51.52 | florian | there are som *.pc files containing the defs |
| 08:52.02 | amd | yeah.. |
| 08:52.28 | amd | i'm trying to create gentoo ebuilds, but the .pc definitions don't get installed... |
| 08:53.36 | florian | ah ok, maybe this is a bug... i'm not sure how they are installed by default |
| 08:53.54 | amd | unfortunately there's no autoconf management... |
| 08:55.35 | florian | This has several reasons - e.g. that crosscompiling seems to be impossible with some versions of it. |
| 08:56.14 | amd | yay... finally.. libgpewidget ebuild done :) |
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| 09:00.22 | reenoo | hi |
| 09:02.14 | amd | hi |
| 09:03.33 | florian | reenoo: hi |
| 09:04.13 | florian | amd: ah cool... the applications should be easy :-) |
| 09:05.17 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 09:07.20 | amd | i imagine running gpe on my laptop :P |
| 09:07.33 | amd | oh.. what windowmanager does gpe use? matchbox? |
| 09:08.20 | reenoo | matchbox |
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| 09:08.48 | pb_ | morning |
| 09:08.54 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 09:08.57 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 09:11.23 | amd | so.. there are 3 base deps - gtk+, libgpewidget and uSQLd? |
| 09:12.35 | amd | and uSQLd depends on SQLite? |
| 09:12.55 | pb_ | for gpe? usqld isn't really used at the moment. |
| 09:13.02 | amd | oki.. |
| 09:13.04 | pb_ | most applications link with libsqlite directly. |
| 09:14.45 | amd | k... |
| 09:15.58 | florian | pb_: morning |
| 09:16.18 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 09:19.27 | florian | I think i should create a libipkg patch for ipkg... |
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| 09:20.34 | RobiWan | Hi @all |
| 09:20.52 | reenoo | florian: browsing some pictures at http://www.i21k.de/ldt2003/ it seems to me the meeting in Oldenburg was fun? too bad I was on vacation :( |
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| 09:23.27 | pb_ | florian: sounds like a good plan |
| 09:28.57 | florian | reenoo: yeah, it was really funny... |
| 09:29.45 | florian | RobiWan: hi |
| 09:30.07 | florian | Where was this cat? |
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| 10:03.04 | florian | hi mallum |
| 10:04.11 | florian | brb |
| 10:08.55 | amd | anyone knows which package contains libdm.h? |
| 10:10.10 | mallum | amd: I think its libdisplay-migration or summin in gpe source |
| 10:11.03 | amd | k.. thx... it's quite hard to track dependencies... |
| 10:11.37 | amd | libgm package i assume... |
| 10:11.45 | amd | *libdm |
| 10:14.31 | mallum | yeah the libdm one is pretty dumb imho |
| 10:14.39 | mallum | it should just be patched into gtk |
| 10:14.47 | mallum | ;-) |
| 10:22.11 | amd | and it broke again... |
| 10:23.39 | reenoo | bbl |
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| 10:32.28 | amd | actually it would be nice if libdm would be merged into libgpewidget |
| 10:32.39 | tigert | tsekkikaverin kanssa hubaa: |
| 10:32.41 | tigert | [06:23AM] <tigert> czholz ahezhcz buli abzucz ximian sxczh! |
| 10:32.47 | tigert | [06:27AM] <jimmac> tigert: ikki tuhooool puura ikkelahtii |
| 10:32.53 | tigert | [06:29AM] <tigert> ok |
| 10:32.53 | tigert | [06:29AM] <tigert> you just better cover the windows soon |
| 10:32.59 | tigert | [06:29AM] <tigert> and stay inside for the rest of the year |
| 10:33.01 | tigert | [06:29AM] <tigert> are you really sure about this? :) |
| 10:33.13 | tigert | [06:31AM] <jimmac> ikki tuhooool puura ikkelahtii > /dev/coutries/poland |
| 10:34.04 | tigert | eeps |
| 10:34.07 | florian_kc | re |
| 10:34.07 | tigert | and wrong channel even :D |
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| 10:34.19 | tigert | but mock czech with jimmac is fun |
| 10:34.20 | florian_kc | ehhe |
| 10:34.47 | tigert | his mock finnish is fun too |
| 10:34.48 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 10:42.37 | mallum | hey florian_kc, tigert |
| 10:43.09 | mallum | tigert: the input manager with your graphics is now in unstable btw |
| 10:46.29 | tigert | oh nice |
| 10:46.34 | tigert | I just need to reflash first |
| 10:46.38 | tigert | to get ipkg working |
| 10:46.41 | tigert | are there new images? |
| 10:46.51 | tigert | I can use the old of course and just update |
| 10:48.10 | mallum | tigert: Im running an oldish image and just updated |
| 10:49.02 | tigert | mallum: sort of similar thoughts here |
| 10:49.07 | tigert | x86 redhat |
| 10:49.07 | pb_ | tigert: latest images right now are unstable9.1. unstable9.2 will be available in about ten minutes |
| 10:49.08 | tigert | mmmmm |
| 10:49.11 | tigert | it just works |
| 10:49.19 | tigert | debian breaks like crazy on ppc |
| 10:49.21 | mallum | tigert: yeah I discovered that |
| 10:49.30 | tigert | pb_: cool |
| 10:49.59 | mallum | tigert: currently annoyed with debians freetype/xft etc . My fonts seem to change everytime it upgrades |
| 10:50.19 | tigert | yes |
| 10:50.26 | tigert | well |
| 10:50.30 | tigert | redhat is just *nice* |
| 10:50.40 | mallum | and still no official 4.3 X :/ |
| 10:50.41 | tigert | it seems to be the most sane distro out there currently |
| 10:50.49 | tigert | debian and X is a fiasco :/ |
| 10:50.55 | tigert | you know |
| 10:50.58 | tigert | I had this magic moment today |
| 10:51.05 | tigert | I have a sony 21" screen |
| 10:51.11 | tigert | and I got this 17" LCD |
| 10:51.20 | tigert | so I swapped it in while the RH box was on GDM login screen |
| 10:51.28 | tigert | so of course the modeline was too much for the LCD |
| 10:51.34 | tigert | so it said sync is not valid |
| 10:51.41 | tigert | so I ctrl-alt-bs'ed gdm |
| 10:51.55 | tigert | and thought "I got to go to console to fix xf86config.. gaah" |
| 10:52.03 | tigert | and in one second the gdm pops back |
| 10:52.05 | tigert | on the LCD |
| 10:52.14 | tigert | with perfect modeline it got from DDC from the screen |
| 10:52.30 | tigert | so new X is nice |
| 10:52.32 | pb_ | yah, ddc is cute. |
| 10:52.37 | tigert | basically no config |
| 10:52.42 | tigert | it figures stuff out by itself |
| 10:53.30 | mallum | tigert: you use apt with rh ? |
| 10:54.08 | tigert | yes |
| 10:54.09 | tigert | and rug |
| 10:54.38 | mallum | rug ? |
| 10:55.28 | tigert | the red carpet commandline tool |
| 10:55.35 | tigert | it uses apt syntax |
| 10:55.41 | tigert | and you can get stuff from ximian servers with it |
| 10:55.54 | tigert | apt-get upgrade vs rug upgrade |
| 10:58.05 | mallum | ok |
| 10:58.11 | mallum | have to try that out |
| 10:58.33 | mallum | tigert: look at this mother : http://www.iridium-uk.com/notebooks/s900.html |
| 11:00.56 | florian_kc | Is cvs able to include a version information in a file? |
| 11:01.15 | pb_ | yes, you can write "$Id$". |
| 11:01.21 | pb_ | it's generally not all that great an idea though |
| 11:01.51 | pb_ | (or $Revision$ if you just want the version number without any of the other stuff) |
| 11:02.39 | pb_ | florian_kc: btw, unstable9.2 should have that multiple-gpe-bluetooths autostarter problem suppressed. |
| 11:02.45 | florian_kc | At least it will look important ;-) |
| 11:02.49 | pb_ | heh |
| 11:03.00 | florian_kc | pb_: ah cool |
| 11:03.17 | pb_ | I just turned off automatic launching of bluetooth for the time being, until I have a chance to fix it properly. |
| 11:03.50 | florian_kc | pb_: If i do "ipkg update" does ipkg remove package lists from removed sources? |
| 11:04.06 | florian_kc | OK, sounds like a good idea... |
| 11:04.18 | pb_ | florian_kc: it won't physically remove the available files from disk, but it won't use them. |
| 11:04.44 | florian_kc | another idea for a solution would be to check "pidof gpe-bluetooth" |
| 11:05.08 | pb_ | Yeah. Really what I want is a way to tell if gpe-bluetooth is already running on the same $DISPLAY. |
| 11:05.37 | pb_ | I don't think panel applets show up in _NET_CLIENT_LIST, so that doesn't help. |
| 11:06.17 | pb_ | gpe-taskmanager has a similar problem with not being able to kill panel apps, though that doesn't tend to be much of a problem in practice. |
| 11:07.19 | florian_kc | pb_: hmm... i removed the stable x feed yesterday... the result was that ipkg not even found a local gpe-conf package :-( |
| 11:07.43 | florian_kc | hm yes, maybe we should add an optional menu to it to allow killing processes. |
| 11:07.47 | pb_ | florian_kc: maybe some bad information had gotten into status. |
| 11:08.28 | florian_kc | hmm looks so, nasty |
| 11:08.54 | pb_ | unstable9.2 images are there now (bootgpe2 only) |
| 11:09.22 | pb_ | I didn't bother rebuilding bootstrap, because I don't think there were any changes from the previous version. |
| 11:09.28 | mallum | pb_: I can add a _NET_CLIENT_LIST property to each panel if that would be useful for you |
| 11:12.04 | pb_ | mm, that might be helpful, yes. |
| 11:12.44 | mallum | pb_: you can find the tray window id's via the SYSTEM_TRAY manager selection thingy |
| 11:13.14 | pb_ | well, the panels themselves _do_ show up in the toplevel client list, so I guess I could just examine all windows and iterate into those that contain their own _NET_CLIENT_LISt. |
| 11:13.23 | mallum | pb_: and all panel apps should advertise there _NET_PID property for easy killing |
| 11:13.53 | pb_ | actually, thinking of which, from an aesthetic point of view it would be nice if mbdock set a prettier window title on itself for gpe-taskmanager to display. |
| 11:15.38 | mallum | yes makes sense |
| 11:15.56 | mallum | set it to 'panel X' sound good ? |
| 11:16.15 | pb_ | sure, sounds fine |
| 11:18.23 | mallum | pb_: what are you feelings on making the gpe startup monitor a panel app which appears/dissapears on app startup cycle ? |
| 11:19.11 | pb_ | doesn't sound all that attractive to be honest |
| 11:20.05 | mallum | at the moment it is not very visible |
| 11:20.44 | pb_ | yeah, I think that's ok. It's only a hint, it doesn't need to be all that prominent. |
| 11:23.04 | pb_ | florian_kc: btw, I finally retrieved my h5400 this morning. just need to put it back together now. |
| 11:25.27 | mallum | pb_: also currently it blocks ui elements |
| 11:42.22 | reenoo | wtf? portage tries to build mod_php before apache although mod_php defines a dependency on it... oh well |
| 11:42.44 | reenoo | heh. wrong channel |
| 11:55.36 | pb_ | right, time to pack up shop and head to the airport. |
| 11:55.58 | pb_ | might be back later today, otherwise on Friday. |
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| 13:00.06 | amd | could someone tell me which package on gpe system contains the file '/usr/local/share/gpe/pixmaps/default/edit.png'? |
| 13:03.17 | moray | amd: should be gpe-icons? |
| 13:03.50 | amd | where could i download a source for this? |
| 13:04.14 | florian_kc | it is gpe-icons... |
| 13:04.36 | moray | amd: it's in GPE CVS |
| 13:04.37 | florian_kc | This package is source... icons only. |
| 13:05.13 | amd | hrm... could someone make a package out of it? |
| 13:05.26 | moray | amd: do you mean a package, or source? |
| 13:05.30 | amd | source |
| 13:06.11 | amd | i'm making gentoo ebuilds... |
| 13:06.56 | florian_kc | amd: http://handhelds.org/feeds/unstable/gpe-icons_0.20_all.ipk |
| 13:07.06 | moray | florian_kc: that's not source |
| 13:07.29 | florian_kc | moray: eh? afaik this contains only icons?! |
| 13:07.31 | moray | amd: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gpe-icons/ has source etc. though |
| 13:07.39 | reenoo | amd: I've submitted matchbox, libxsettings-client and xkbd ebuilds already |
| 13:07.45 | moray | florian_kc: yeah, but you want a build/install script |
| 13:08.02 | mallum | reenoo: nice |
| 13:08.24 | amd | nice... i'm trying to create something like kde, gnome and xfce have - gpe-base :P |
| 13:08.43 | florian_kc | moray: ah ok, right you are... stupid me |
| 13:08.54 | reenoo | amd: gentoo dev? |
| 13:09.09 | mallum | amd: you should maybe look at adding gpe to openembedded, which gentoo based but aimed at cross compilers |
| 13:09.49 | amd | reenoo, no.. just trying to get a nice and fast interface :P |
| 13:11.15 | reenoo | amd: ok. I just hate it how ebuilds de facto end up in bugs.gentoo.org's /dev/null |
| 13:13.37 | reenoo | amd: why don't you make cvs ebuilds btw? |
| 13:14.40 | amd | i haven't had experience with these... |
| 13:14.55 | reenoo | i.e. write a gpe eclass and the only fill in DESCRIPTION etc. |
| 13:15.07 | reenoo | s/the/then |
| 13:16.04 | reenoo | I would probably do that if there was a chance those things would make it into gentoo |
| 13:16.09 | amd | i've had to make a lot patches to get the packages to compile... |
| 13:17.15 | reenoo | of what kind? |
| 13:17.35 | amd | gpe-contacts has problem with compiling |
| 13:17.54 | amd | db.c isn't gcc-3.3 safe (i guess) |
| 13:19.34 | amd | also some makefile cleanups... |
| 13:21.21 | moray | amd: hm, are you using the latest versions of things? gpe-contacts has already been fixed for GCC 3.3 |
| 13:21.47 | amd | i'm using packages from ftp://gpe.handhelds.org/gpe/source/ |
| 13:21.56 | amd | s/packages/sources |
| 13:22.55 | moray | amd: things 'should' be up-to-date there, but aren't necessarily - you should really check CVS so that you don't duplicate work already done |
| 13:23.25 | amd | it was quite an easy fix... just had to add '\' char to some lines |
| 13:23.28 | moray | amd: though if you see something isn't up-to-date there, it's fair to ask people to fix it and upload the source |
| 13:24.32 | moray | amd: yes, but again, I'm not sure what 'Makefile fixes' you mean, but there have been quite a lot of fixes recently to install things with the correct permissions, etc. |
| 13:24.53 | reenoo | now flashing unstable9.2 image :) |
| 13:25.28 | mallum | moray: using autotools would fix alot of problems like that |
| 13:25.45 | reenoo | hehehe |
| 13:26.10 | moray | mallum: I think people already said that they'd use (some) autotools stuff if someone volunteered to write/maintain it, ...? |
| 13:28.25 | mallum | moray: Id happily start doing it but I a) dont totally understand the current gpe build system and b) fear patches would get rejects thus wasteing effort |
| 13:30.03 | reenoo | yay... now running unstable9.2 :) |
| 13:31.18 | ryan_ | ts working reenoo |
| 13:31.45 | reenoo | ts == touchscreen? |
| 13:33.03 | ryan_ | yep |
| 13:33.21 | reenoo | yeah. everything fine |
| 13:33.44 | ryan_ | what model ipaq |
| 13:33.50 | reenoo | 3870 |
| 13:34.23 | florian_kc | The first step would be to create _clean_ Makefile.in and to get rid of libtool - the default stuff is completely unusable. |
| 13:34.25 | ryan_ | ohh k |
| 13:35.37 | florian_kc | mallum: I think this would a good idea to discuss this on mailinglist - it could be worth a try and make sure all maintainers know what's up. |
| 13:36.20 | amd | actually current Makefiles are quite good.. i only have to change the prefix... |
| 13:37.54 | florian_kc | I think is must be possible to create similar makefiles using autoconf... |
| 13:38.03 | mallum | yeah |
| 13:38.14 | mallum | Im not saying the current makefiles are bad, just non standard |
| 13:38.29 | mallum | autotools are like a nessecary evil. everything else uses it |
| 13:38.32 | mallum | even X now |
| 13:38.40 | amd | really? |
| 13:38.46 | florian_kc | X? |
| 13:38.55 | mallum | xserver.freedesktop.org |
| 13:39.43 | florian_kc | mallum: maybe look at the Makefile of ipkg anf see what i'm afraid of. |
| 13:39.47 | florian_kc | s/anf/and |
| 13:41.16 | mallum | florian_kc: thats probably just autotools used badly |
| 13:41.55 | mallum | florian_kc: look at the configure.ac and makefile.am in the xserver src ( cvs.freedesktop.org ) and see how simple it can all be ( and remember thats for a beast like X ) |
| 13:42.20 | florian_kc | mallum: I think so - sqlite uses it too, and it looks really nice. |
| 13:43.41 | florian_kc | mallum: The problem seems to be automake - looks like this is the tool that creates these nasty Makefile.in.+ |
| 13:44.22 | mallum | florian_kc: yeah but you dont have to worry bout the Makefile.in nor the Makefile just Makefile.am which are really simple |
| 13:46.18 | florian_kc | mallum: well... not really - i don't think the most mainteriner will accept these nasty makefiles, but i think this is worth a discussion. The first step would be an example how to use this in a nice way. |
| 13:46.38 | florian_kc | Is it possible to use autoconf without automake? |
| 13:46.56 | mallum | yes |
| 13:47.54 | florian_kc | maybe this is the way to go... should be sufficant for most purposes. |
| 13:50.06 | reenoo | hmm... bluetooth doesn't work with the new image :( |
| 13:50.14 | florian_kc | :-/ |
| 13:51.11 | reenoo | florian_kc: wasn't there a problem with leaving the PIN input field empty or something? |
| 13:52.57 | florian_kc | reenoo: hmm... i thinks if this was a problem it sould be fixed... any interesting stuff in log? |
| 13:55.59 | reenoo | florian_kc: .xsession-errors? |
| 13:58.44 | reenoo | florian_kc: it says nothing but "Failed to connect to SDP server on 00:10:60:A3:BB:24" |
| 14:01.24 | amd | hrm.. it's getting hard... |
| 14:01.42 | florian_kc | reenoo: Hmm... yes, and syslog |
| 14:02.04 | florian_kc | reenoo: hm - what tells you the syslog of the peer? |
| 14:02.42 | reenoo | " Can't exec PIN helper /bin/bluepin." ok ;) |
| 14:04.33 | florian_kc | ahhh :-) |
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| 14:29.38 | reenoo | # ipkg install ssh |
| 14:29.38 | reenoo | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ssh: |
| 14:29.40 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.31 | florian_kc | hmm.... sounds like a problem with changing to dropbear |
| 14:33.47 | florian_kc | maybe try to install dropbear |
| 14:34.06 | reenoo | florian_kc: ah ok... |
| 14:35.48 | reenoo | dropbear is installed |
| 14:36.12 | reenoo | s/is installed/was installed before/ |
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| 14:39.09 | florian_kc | hmm ok - this is bad... maybe the problem is that dropbear replaces sshd but not provides ssh |
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| 14:40.07 | reenoo | heh |
| 14:40.24 | reenoo | gpe-irc crashes every time I try to enter some text :/ |
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| 14:41.39 | florian_kc | reenoo: Please file a bug, it looks like this is another app that doesn't work with latest gtk properly. |
| 14:41.57 | reenoo | florian_kc: ah ok |
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| 14:45.15 | treke|z | mornin |
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| 14:51.23 | florian_kc | hi treke|z |
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| 15:07.13 | reenoo | hope this is ok: http://handhelds.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1026 |
| 15:10.27 | florian_kc | reenoo: Oh cool... yeah this looks very detailed :-) |
| 15:24.25 | reenoo | florian_kc: ok, will try to sum things up next time ;) |
| 15:25.29 | florian_kc | reenoo: i think the report is great, maybe reduce outpout of that verbous software like gpe-irc to the last lines.... |
| 15:26.13 | reenoo | florian_kc: oh ok... sounds reasonable |
| 15:28.56 | mallum | [OT] anyone know wtf you pass to xine on the comand line to get it to play a cd ? |
| 15:41.51 | amd | um.. man xine? :P |
| 15:42.27 | reenoo | amd: neither xine --help nor man xine list anything related |
| 15:42.41 | amd | xine --auto-play --auto-scan cd ? |
| 15:45.36 | reenoo | I'm happy that xine plays mpegs on my ipaq now :) |
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| 15:50.39 | treke | mornin |
| 15:50.54 | florian_kc | treke: hello |
| 15:51.41 | mallum | yo treke |
| 15:54.12 | nelson | ibot: message for pb_: xtscal isn't a happy puppy when you run it from inside matchbox. It doesn't have the full screen and so isn't digitizing the right points. |
| 15:56.35 | mallum | nelson: is this a real old matchbox ? |
| 15:56.58 | nelson | mallum: unstable9.1 -- don't know if you call that old or not. |
| 15:58.05 | mallum | nelson: ? |
| 15:58.27 | nelson | It's probably not yesterday's version, if that's what you mean. |
| 15:58.49 | nelson | Version: 1:0.6.99+cvs20030926 |
| 16:00.01 | mallum | yeah that should be ok |
| 16:51.52 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:03.28 | Chunky_Ks | Heya, people |
| 18:03.37 | Chunky_Ks | can I use wxWindows code on a GPE device? |
| 18:03.42 | Chunky_Ks | If so, do I need do anythign clever? |
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| 18:58.18 | elephantum | hi all |
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| 19:30.39 | elephantum | ppl, where can I chage fonts that are used in all applications |
| 19:38.40 | elephantum | people, can anybody help me to change fonts in gpe applications? |
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| 19:53.06 | elephantum | ibot: gpe |
| 19:53.10 | | from memory, gpe is the Great Palmtop Environment and can be found at http://gpe.handhelds.org - Join #gpe to chat about it. |
| 19:53.49 | ggilbert | gee, that certainly enlightened us all |
| 19:55.22 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.25 | elephantum | may be someone give me any link on documentation or howto about gpe and fonts? |
| 19:55.42 | elephantum | cmarqu: ? |
| 19:55.57 | cmarqu | elephantum: (oops). There is a Setting page. |
| 19:56.20 | cmarqu | And there, there is "Global Look" |
| 19:57.26 | elephantum | damn me =) I was blind |
| 19:59.41 | cmarqu | elephantum: If you are really cool, you add that answer to http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPENewbie :) |
| 20:00.56 | elephantum | cmarqu: you`re joking, I see it =) |
| 20:01.26 | elephantum | but that wasnt the only thing I wanted to know |
| 20:02.28 | cmarqu | elephantum: Actually, it explains how to set the *terminal* font, which was not quite your question |
| 20:02.40 | elephantum | do gpe use X? I want to install fonts with russian symbols, what do I need to do? |
| 20:02.56 | cmarqu | It does use X, yes. |
| 20:03.30 | elephantum | cmarqu: so I can install fonts the same way I do on PC? |
| 20:03.44 | cmarqu | Installing fonts... you can start by dropping them into ~/.fonts |
| 20:03.55 | cmarqu | elephantum: Yes, if you use fontconfig on your PC |
| 20:04.11 | elephantum | cmarqu: got it. |
| 20:04.51 | cmarqu | elephantum: Do you have a source of cool, free cyrillic fonts? In that case, we can package them for Familiar. |
| 20:05.53 | elephantum | good fonts are in debian |
| 20:06.30 | cmarqu | Oh. Nice. ipkg can install debs. Would be interesting to see if they are fitting. |
| 20:07.52 | elephantum | hmmm... interesting. I`ll try now |
| 20:08.17 | cmarqu | Please add your findings to the wiki so that others can benefit. |
| 20:11.17 | elephantum | ok |
| 20:11.28 | cmarqu | Thanks. |
| 20:12.49 | ade|home | mallum: ping |
| 20:14.39 | elephantum | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for xfonts-cronyx-cp1251-75dpi: is |
| 20:14.49 | elephantum | interesting |
| 20:15.07 | cmarqu | elephantum: :/ |
| 20:15.26 | cmarqu | elephantum: It doesn't say anything more? |
| 20:15.31 | elephantum | mb. upack and try to do it by hands? |
| 20:15.34 | elephantum | yes =) |
| 20:16.12 | cmarqu | elephantum: You can try, uhm... some switch to ipkg that makes it forget about depends. |
| 20:16.18 | cmarqu | Check ipkg --help |
| 20:17.08 | cmarqu | Oh, and these are bitmap fonts. Not sure how well that will work. |
| 20:17.56 | elephantum | may be install ms web fonts? |
| 20:18.46 | cmarqu | If they contain cyrillic? |
| 20:18.58 | cmarqu | But they are evil and non-free :) |
| 20:19.34 | elephantum | I dont really care, cause they help me to read russian =) |
| 20:20.14 | elephantum | yesh. cronyx fonts dont work |
| 20:20.36 | elephantum | why do bitmap fonts dont work? |
| 20:20.51 | cmarqu | elephantum: You might want to ask mallum or pb_ about cronyx. |
| 20:21.14 | cmarqu | elephantum: I think they should still work, but it may be more work to set them up form that debian package. |
| 20:21.50 | elephantum | ok, I see. |
| 20:21.56 | cmarqu | elephantum: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/fonts/2003-April/msg00015.html - you could try contacting Oleg Bulavsky to see if he knows more in the meantime. |
| 20:24.07 | cmarqu | elephantum: http://packages.debian.org/stable/text/scalable-cyrfonts.html - how about these? |
| 20:25.11 | elephantum | cmarqu: yeah, I just thought about it |
| 20:31.01 | elephantum | is it enough to logout\login to restart X? |
| 20:31.37 | cmarqu | Do /etc/init.d/x stop && /etc/init.d/x start |
| 20:32.01 | elephantum | ok, thank |
| 20:33.46 | elephantum | cmarqu: there is no /etc/init.d/x on my ipaq |
| 20:34.32 | cmarqu | Something else that looks like it in /etc/init.d/? |
| 20:34.47 | cmarqu | x11 maybe? I don't remember the exact name |
| 20:35.57 | elephantum | there is nothing that contain x |
| 20:36.15 | elephantum | damn, I`ve ran out of space... =( |
| 20:36.15 | cmarqu | Then just reboot :) |
| 20:36.52 | elephantum | scalable-cyrfonts is rather big package |
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| 20:45.17 | florian | re |
| 20:48.43 | cmarqu | Hi florian |
| 20:50.04 | elephantum | is there any program analogous to defoma? |
| 20:51.05 | cmarqu | Nope. fontconfig does it on its own |
| 20:52.34 | florian | cmarqu: hi |
| 20:56.36 | mallum | elephantum: you need .ttf ( truetype ) font for the ipaq |
| 20:57.12 | elephantum | ok, thanks.Tomorrow I`ll try to install ms web fonts. |
| 20:57.22 | mallum | elephantum: there is a big fat unicode font |
| 20:57.28 | mallum | elephantum: m$ one |
| 20:57.35 | mallum | elephantum: but its massive |
| 20:57.39 | elephantum | where? |
| 20:58.02 | mallum | elephantum: hmm, not sure |
| 20:59.01 | mallum | elephantum: sticking 'russian ttf font' brings a few answers |
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| 20:59.23 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 20:59.27 | jsmanrique | good night |
| 21:01.09 | reenoo | mallum: it's no longer possible to move panel icons? |
| 21:01.44 | mallum | reenoo: correct |
| 21:02.32 | reenoo | mallum: intentionally? I'd love to rearrange them... |
| 21:05.50 | cmarqu | mallum: Oh, Type1 fonts don't work? |
| 21:07.27 | moray | mallum/elephantum: ttf-thryomanes in Debian ought to work |
| 21:08.00 | mallum | cmarqu: I think type1 fonts do, Id try ttf first though |
| 21:08.20 | mallum | cmarqu: I think the fontconfig/freetype/xft etc is pretty old in familiar |
| 21:08.35 | cmarqu | mallum: Yeah, the Type1 renderer is not too good on my desktop either |
| 21:08.37 | moray | mallum/elephantum: there's ttf-freefont as well, that covers about everything |
| 21:09.45 | mallum | cmarqu: there is some bleeding edge verson of freetype that does bitmap fonts too |
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| 21:14.36 | reenoo | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17743.png <- anybody had this before? |
| 21:14.55 | reenoo | (two xkdbs) |
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| 21:17.02 | Chunky_Ks | openoffice 1.1 |
| 21:17.02 | Chunky_Ks | finally |
| 21:17.02 | Chunky_Ks | w00t |
| 21:17.37 | Chunky_Ks | bonus activex control to let my documents break into windows boxes^W^W^W^W be viewed in IE |
| 21:18.05 | Chunky_Ks | MySQL integration |
| 21:18.06 | Chunky_Ks | cool |
| 21:18.46 | cmarqu | Night all. |
| 21:19.38 | reenoo | cmarqu: 'night |
| 21:25.04 | florian | cmarqu: good night |
| 21:25.57 | Chunky_Ks | sorry |
| 21:26.00 | Chunky_Ks | wrong channel |
| 21:27.05 | ade|beth2 | mallum: what depends do you need to compile matchbox |
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| 21:39.47 | reenoo | ade|beth2 libtool, x11, libpng, jpeg, expat, startup-notification, libxsettings-client |
| 21:42.46 | ade|beth2 | reenoo: is that with xfree86 4.3 ? |
| 21:42.59 | ade|beth2 | or 4.2 libs |
| 21:44.55 | reenoo | ade|beth2: should work with both AFAIK |
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| 21:54.51 | mallum | ade|beth2: depends, just xlibs for a really crap one |
| 21:55.27 | mallum | ade|beth2: there is a building.howto in the dist you should read |
| 21:55.38 | ade|beth2 | mallum: ta |
| 21:56.49 | mallum | ade|beth2: for gpe ipkg I use something like ./configure --enable-xft --enable-png --enable-xsettings --enable-dnotify --enable-expat --enable-libsn --enable-jpg --enable-nls --prefix=/usr |
| 21:57.57 | mallum | ade|beth2: but just a ./configure with no args will give you a nice matchbox ( dependant on libpng and xft ) |
| 21:58.19 | ade|beth2 | mallum: looking for a desktop wm thats small |
| 21:58.24 | mallum | ade|beth2: you can --disable them too though |
| 21:58.52 | mallum | ade|beth2: ok, Id do a --enable-expat --enable-jpg |
| 21:59.10 | mallum | ade|beth2: matchbox is really designed for desktops however |
| 21:59.16 | mallum | some people like it though |
| 21:59.36 | mallum | brb |
| 22:13.36 | florian | night all |
| 22:15.51 | herzi | florian: abknicker! |
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