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| 08:37.28 | florian_kc | hi all |
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| 10:38.00 | florian_kc | hi herzi |
| 10:55.06 | herzi | hi florian_kc |
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| 15:15.34 | florian_kc | mallum: hi |
| 15:17.44 | florian_kc | mallum: Two small problems with mb* stuff remaining: latest mbdaesktop seems to fail starting randomly and wireless monitor starts more than one time |
| 15:19.31 | mallum | florian_kc: do you know if mbdesktop is failing in terms of it crashing or its window not getting mapped ? |
| 15:20.21 | mallum | florian_kc: and is it miniwave starting up too much ? |
| 15:21.28 | florian_kc | mallum: nope, i had this the last two days, but no chance to find out what happens so far... i'll check it the next time it happens. |
| 15:22.41 | mallum | florian_kc: next time its happens could you just do a ps to see if it is running |
| 15:23.15 | florian_kc | mallum: i triggered this when leaving a session with miniwave running - it is restored the next login. if a wireless lan card is inserted it starts the next one.... |
| 15:23.31 | florian_kc | mallum: ok, and if not i'll check the logs :-) |
| 15:23.36 | mallum | florian_kc: Did pb_ write some thing to start miniwave via dbus |
| 15:23.47 | mallum | florian_kc: maybe its not correctly checking if one already exists |
| 15:24.46 | florian_kc | mallum: yes, i think so... yeah, this could be the reason. |
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| 16:28.48 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 17:07.28 | pigeon | hey pb_ |
| 17:07.37 | pigeon | I'm in singapore now |
| 17:08.22 | pb_ | yo pigeon |
| 17:08.24 | pb_ | aha, cool |
| 17:12.17 | mallum | pb_: hi |
| 17:12.23 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 17:13.01 | mallum | pb_: I think according to florian there may be an issue with the little dbus wifi autostarter where it is starting too many miniwaves |
| 17:13.35 | pb_ | mallum: ah |
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| 17:35.41 | mallum | ibot: msg for florian_kc I've commited updates for mbmerlin to work with new mbinputmgr and added icon |
| 17:35.44 | | mallum: You are moron #1 |
| 17:35.57 | mallum | ibot: and you are a fucking piece of shit |
| 17:35.58 | | mallum: please, watch your language. |
| 17:36.07 | mallum | ~ibot |
| 17:36.08 | | methinks ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 17:36.08 | ade|desk | lol |
| 17:36.35 | mallum | ~lart yourself |
| 17:36.41 | ade|desk | ~fishslap ibot |
| 17:36.43 | | ACTION slaps ibot up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:36.44 | mallum | arg |
| 17:36.52 | mallum | ~lart himself |
| 17:36.58 | mallum | hehe |
| 17:37.03 | ade|desk | much better |
| 17:37.12 | ade|desk | ~seen pb_ |
| 17:37.14 | | pb_ is currently on #opie (29m 51s) #gpe (29m 51s) #elinux (29m 51s) #openembedded (29m 51s) #handhelds.org (29m 51s) #hhwiki (29m 51s) #openzaurus (29m 51s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 10m 25s |
| 17:37.21 | mallum | now I tell him to 0/1 |
| 17:38.12 | ade|desk | hmm foood i widh |
| 17:38.16 | ade|desk | wish |
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| 17:53.49 | pb_ | hi ade |
| 17:54.27 | ade|desk | lo |
| 17:56.27 | ade|desk | a friend jabbered at me today about a company doing internet radio devices using embedded linux with jobs up for grabs, looked at the website .. lowe ... guess whos name is stamped on it .. |
| 17:56.36 | pb_ | hah |
| 17:57.09 | ade|desk | small world |
| 17:57.24 | pb_ | yep, so it seems. |
| 17:58.39 | pb_ | I'm not really involved with Reciva, but still. |
| 17:59.06 | ade|desk | hes a ex -ex.ac.uk compsci, with no linux nor embedded expo, asked me if i could give him a hand to blag a job, useful buzz words , how i laughed |
| 17:59.17 | pb_ | hehe |
| 17:59.42 | ade|desk | i gave him gtkfb URL |
| 18:00.42 | ade|desk | nice guy though |
| 18:03.14 | ade|desk | oops 'apt-get clean'ed my make shift pool cache |
| 18:04.19 | cmarqu | pb_: BTW, www.interpocket.co.uk doesn't look good in Google (This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't |
| 18:04.23 | cmarqu | support them.) |
| 18:04.37 | pb_ | cmarqu: doh, right |
| 18:04.52 | pb_ | I'll alert the webmaster. |
| 18:05.33 | cmarqu | And it says "Reciva Wireless Internet Radio.", but that text is not on the frame page. |
| 18:05.42 | cmarqu | It == Google. |
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| 18:19.46 | mallum_dinner | pb_: have you played with this 'hal' stuff at all ? |
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| 18:22.10 | mallum | florian: hi |
| 18:22.15 | florian | re |
| 18:22.45 | mallum | florian: I commited some changes to mbmerlin, adding tigerts icon and changing where it stuck its .desktop file |
| 18:23.13 | mallum | florian: mbinputmgr and xkbd are now fixed up ready to be packaged too |
| 18:25.30 | florian | mallum: ah cool, we get closer to make it a nice tool :-) |
| 18:26.04 | florian | mallum: any idea how to add the additional features he suggested... |
| 18:26.06 | mallum | florian: yeah its getting there |
| 18:26.36 | mallum | florian: is there anything changed in the makefile for building an mbmerlin ipkg, or can I still just make ipkg ? |
| 18:27.41 | florian | mallum: let me look... |
| 18:28.59 | florian | mallum: if you crosscompile do "make NATIVE=no ipkg" |
| 18:29.10 | pb_ | mallum: which hal do you mean? |
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| 18:30.12 | mallum | florian: cool I'll build native |
| 18:30.19 | mallum | pb_: hal.freedesktop.org |
| 18:30.30 | pb_ | no, not yet. |
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| 18:30.45 | pb_ | I was thinking about that yesterday, in fact. |
| 18:31.07 | mallum | florian: we should maybe add a help button to mbmerlin - dunno if its worth it, maybe worth waiting for roseatta |
| 18:31.16 | mallum | pb_: yeah I thought it would be up your street |
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| 18:31.39 | mallum | bbiab |
| 18:31.47 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 18:31.58 | pb_ | thanks for the patch. haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but will do soon. |
| 18:32.14 | florian | mallum: yes, i think so... sounds like some xlib hacking.... |
| 18:32.26 | florian | pb_: hi |
| 18:34.10 | florian | pb_: ok, great... do you know the latest changes in 2.4.19 for h5xxx? At the moment i get not one single touchscreen event with latest kernel from CVS. |
| 18:34.57 | pb_ | florian: not sure exactly. I know Jamey has been working on it, but I haven't been following closely. |
| 18:36.37 | florian | pb_: hm ok, l'll try to ask him again later... i tried this afternoon but i got no answer. |
| 18:36.50 | pb_ | florian: good plan |
| 18:37.08 | pb_ | mallum: should we be planning to ship the new matchbox in 0.7.2, or would you recommend that we retain the old one? |
| 18:37.14 | florian | pb_: yeah, and really simple ;-) |
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| 18:53.35 | RobiWan | Hi @all |
| 18:53.58 | florian | hi RobiWan |
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| 19:17.17 | cmarqu | Could a native english speaker please take a look at my CV (3 pages) and check for gross errors? |
| 19:17.31 | pb_ | Sure. |
| 19:17.39 | pb_ | Is it on the web, or do you want to mail it to me? |
| 19:18.08 | cmarqu | I can upload it, 1 sec. |
| 19:18.17 | pb_ | Okay. |
| 19:18.43 | cmarqu | Oh, Owen was here? |
| 19:19.18 | cmarqu | http://buug.de/~colin/curriculum4.pdf |
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| 19:23.31 | pb_ | cmarqu: Looks fine to me. (In fact, much better written than a lot of the CVs I've been reading lately.) |
| 19:23.39 | pb_ | And a mention of GPE too! :-) |
| 19:23.47 | cmarqu | Sure :) |
| 19:24.08 | cmarqu | pb_: Thanks very much. |
| 19:31.36 | pb_ | cmarqu: Found any jobs you want to apply for? |
| 19:32.12 | cmarqu | pb_: Not so many here, but I'm forwarding this to Microscape. |
| 19:32.38 | cmarqu | They have one interesting job near Munich. |
| 19:33.06 | cmarqu | Mixed signal experience would be very good right now. |
| 19:36.08 | pb_ | Ah, right. |
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| 19:37.34 | mallum | pb_: yes should be fine. |
| 19:37.50 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 19:38.23 | mallum | I'll prolly build a new mb package tommorow |
| 19:48.55 | pb_ | right. any particular changes to look out for in the new one? |
| 19:50.28 | mallum | no, most of the new stuff isn't enabled in the ipkgs |
| 19:50.43 | pb_ | ok |
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| 20:07.58 | RobiWan | re |
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| 20:09.08 | florian | eeks |
| 20:09.24 | pb_ | florian: mm? |
| 20:09.45 | florian | I forgot to plug in the power cord :-/ |
| 20:09.54 | pb_ | oops |
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| 21:23.38 | florian | RobiWan: wb |
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| 21:36.45 | florian | jsmanrique: wb |
| 21:36.51 | jsmanrique | florian: hi |
| 21:37.06 | jsmanrique | I hope to have some time to install GPE on my 5400 to see how it works |
| 21:37.40 | florian | pb_: are you aware of the issue with miniwave? |
| 21:38.29 | florian | jsmanrique: From hat i know about it (used a h5550) many things are still buggy, but there is some progress. |
| 21:39.13 | jsmanrique | florian: which are the main bugs? |
| 21:39.46 | pb_ | florian: Mallum mentioned a problem, but I'm not sure of the details. |
| 21:40.45 | florian | jsmanrique: well... power button and suspend don't work properly, wireless lan and - at least for the h5550 - bluetooth seems not to work. |
| 21:41.26 | pb_ | florian: ah, what's the problem with bluetooth? It was working for me last time I tried. |
| 21:41.48 | florian | pb_: looks like dbus (i think it is) starts miniwave a second time is one was started by mb* |
| 21:42.17 | pb_ | florian: Oh, right. Yeah, gpe-autostarter is not smart enough to realise that miniwave is already running. |
| 21:42.24 | jsmanrique | florian: the power button? |
| 21:42.39 | jsmanrique | florian: have you tried keylaunch & ? |
| 21:43.06 | florian | pb_: hm yes, someone reported this on a ml too - everything looks fine (including the blue led) but all operations time out (e.g. inq) |
| 21:43.25 | pb_ | florian: ah, that's not good. |
| 21:44.04 | jsmanrique | florian: I had same problem with gpe2.1 on my h3870, but running keylaunch after login, it woeks |
| 21:44.16 | florian | jsmanrique: yep, there are some button events pressing it the first time but stops to work at all then... |
| 21:45.16 | florian | pb_: yep, i could verify this with latest kernel tomorrow... |
| 21:45.38 | florian | pb_: Is suspend stuff expected to work? |
| 21:46.07 | pb_ | florian: again, it worked for me last I knew, but h5550 might be different in some obscure way. |
| 21:46.18 | florian | jsmanrique: this is interesting... both 3870 here (Nils and mine) work perfect. |
| 21:46.48 | pb_ | moray: Did you ever manage to find a satisfactory way to set up the keymap on your ibook? |
| 21:47.03 | jsmanrique | florian: perhaps I need to update my ipaq, but it is on stable branch .. using an unstable jffs2 image from pb_ site |
| 21:47.08 | pb_ | I have a working 2.4.22 kernel now, but my keymap (under X at any rate) seems to have regressed slightly. |
| 21:47.51 | florian | pb_: oh yes, i fear... the power button is maybe a similar problem, afaik this should work properly on h54xx |
| 21:48.11 | moray | pb_: I'm not too aware of what keymap it has at the moment to be honest - presumably it's one that lets me type most things I need, therefore. |
| 21:48.24 | moray | pb_: I'll try to remember to have a look when I'm using it next ;) |
| 21:48.36 | pb_ | moray: Do you know if it's possible to make the Apple keys generate different things, or are they physically the same signal? |
| 21:48.59 | moray | Not sure. |
| 21:49.14 | pb_ | At the moment they both seem to be mapped to Meta (though I think they were Super at one point earlier today). I'd kind of like the right-hand one to be Mode-switch. |
| 21:49.33 | moray | Yes, I've certainly thought mapping them separately would be sensible. |
| 21:49.36 | pb_ | although, the only real use I have for mode-switch is typing the euro symbol, so I can probably live without that. |
| 21:50.20 | jsmanrique | pb_: you can, but I can't :-) |
| 21:50.42 | pb_ | oh, and I used to have it set up so that # was on Mode-switch-3 (with £ on shift-3). I guess that's why I was thinking mode-switch was important. |
| 21:50.56 | pb_ | right now it seems to put # on shift-3. |
| 21:51.30 | pb_ | jsmanrique: heh. well, I virtually never type £ either; I usually just write "EUR" or "GBP". |
| 21:51.54 | pb_ | jsmanrique: though admittedly if I had more confidence in my keymaps I might use those symbols more often. |
| 21:52.10 | jsmanrique | pb_: yes, but as you know.. "Spain is different" and everyone wants the Euro symbol |
| 21:52.36 | pb_ | jsmanrique: aha |
| 21:53.03 | jsmanrique | :-) |
| 21:53.19 | jsmanrique | that's the reason for adding it on my Spanish keyboard layout |
| 21:53.45 | pb_ | right |
| 21:54.08 | pb_ | yeah, in fact even the GB xkbd layout features €, though it's denoted as "E" on the keyboard. |
| 21:54.23 | pb_ | florian: cool! |
| 21:54.33 | pb_ | ah, gpe-package. what's that? |
| 21:55.44 | florian | This CIA is really a traitor ;-) |
| 21:55.50 | pb_ | florian: hehe |
| 21:56.10 | pb_ | maybe we should have CIA post messages about the gpe tree in this channel, rather than #handhelds.org. |
| 21:58.55 | florian | It will (hopefully) be a ipkg gui soon, i started it as test app for libipkg and to wedge off package management from gpe-conf. |
| 21:59.17 | pb_ | excellent |
| 21:59.47 | florian | pb_: Would be nice :-) |
| 22:00.28 | florian | I hope so - i hope to find some time to work on the missing basics of libipkg. |
| 22:02.13 | florian | And to do it without breaking anything in ipkg... if this works the step to devide ipkg into front- and backend is easy. |
| 22:03.35 | treke_ | florian: feel free to break ipkg, no one will notice |
| 22:03.51 | florian | How do i use a .cvsignore? Is it intended to be checked in too? |
| 22:03.57 | pb_ | florian: yes |
| 22:04.07 | pb_ | treke_: quiet now |
| 22:04.17 | treke_ | hehe |
| 22:04.35 | florian | treke_: well... you volunteer? great :-) |
| 22:04.54 | treke_ | Sure, I'll volunteer to notice it break |
| 22:06.27 | treke_ | pb_: is the phantom w100.c ati fb driver part of a specific kernel patch? I'm not seeing it in my stock 2.6 tree |
| 22:06.52 | pb_ | treke_: no idea. mallum or kergoth might know. |
| 22:08.58 | pb_ | florian: should gpe-task-base be depending on gpe-conf, or gpe-conf2? |
| 22:12.16 | treke_ | pb_: Found the patch, now I'm torn on whether or not to play with it |
| 22:12.39 | pb_ | treke_: ah. |
| 22:13.18 | florian | pb_: gpe-conf, it replaces gpe-conf2 now |
| 22:13.34 | pb_ | florian: right, that's what I suspected. |
| 22:13.37 | pb_ | I'll change the task package. |
| 22:14.34 | florian | ok |
| 22:21.53 | pb_ | florian: did you have any time to look at sylpheed yet? |
| 22:22.57 | florian | pb_: No, not yet... i'll tell my iPAQ to remember me tomorrow... |
| 22:23.02 | pb_ | florian: :-) |
| 22:23.29 | florian | night all |
| 22:23.34 | pb_ | florian: night |
| 22:24.51 | jsmanrique | pb_: I hope we have soon photos and video from the workshop |
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| 22:54.27 | treke_ | mallum: ping |
| 23:18.29 | treke_ | mallum: It looks like just using fbset is enough to handle the rotation |
| 23:31.53 | mallum | treke_: hey, still there ? |
| 23:32.19 | treke_ | yup |
| 23:32.30 | mallum | treke_: good evening sir |
| 23:32.35 | treke_ | good evening |
| 23:32.48 | mallum | treke_: the w100fb.c is part of the zaurus kernel tree |
| 23:32.54 | treke_ | yeah I found it |
| 23:33.09 | mallum | treke_: it has stuff for fbset but not for setting 640x480 |
| 23:33.24 | mallum | treke_: only 480x640 320x240 240x320 |
| 23:33.36 | mallum | treke_: I dunno why 640x480 is missing |
| 23:34.34 | mallum | treke_: did you hack some stuff in ? |
| 23:34.38 | treke_ | Nope |
| 23:34.46 | treke_ | I'm just working with the stock stuff |
| 23:35.14 | treke_ | looking at the code, it seems obvious what does need to e done |
| 23:35.20 | mallum | treke_: well if you wanna have a go, I can test on my c700 :-) |
| 23:35.32 | mallum | treke_: Im not really a kernel hacker ;-) |
| 23:35.47 | treke_ | neither am I, but it seems like straightforward code |
| 23:35.56 | treke_ | Unfortunatly I didnt order from dynamism :p |
| 23:36.16 | mallum | treke_: yeah, Im just weary as to why 640x480 is not there |
| 23:37.00 | mallum | treke_: but thats as likely to be down to crappy lineo code ;-) |
| 23:37.55 | treke_ | Yeah. Nothing looks obviously dangerous to me, but i don't know much on the issue :p |
| 23:39.11 | mallum | treke_: pb is kernel man |
| 23:40.28 | treke_ | yup. He went to sleep :) |
| 23:42.07 | mallum | treke_: what country you in btw ? |
| 23:42.21 | treke_ | US |
| 23:43.05 | mallum | okie |
| 23:43.11 | mallum | Im uk so bed for me to in a mo |
| 23:43.50 | mallum | its nearly one in the morning |
| 23:44.02 | flypiper | I know.. |
| 23:44.27 | mallum | :-) |
| 23:44.38 | treke_ | man I wish I read japanese right about now |
| 23:44.44 | mallum | hehe |
| 23:44.48 | flypiper | I can't stay up that late.... wouldn't get up before noon :) |
| 23:44.58 | mallum | treke_: bablefish can |
| 23:45.02 | treke_ | good point |
| 23:45.16 | mallum | flypiper: you get your fonts sorted btw ? |
| 23:46.03 | mallum | treke_: if you do anything with w100fb.c whilest Im sleeping would you mail it over to me and I'll have a play with it tommorow ? |
| 23:46.14 | treke_ | ok |
| 23:46.45 | mallum | iirc when I looked at it seemed to set modes with a particular define QVGA or summin |
| 23:47.03 | treke_ | hmm. This isn't particularly useful :p |
| 23:47.30 | treke_ | bablefish does not do well with technical writing :p |
| 23:47.36 | mallum | hehe |
| 23:47.47 | mallum | Id better go bed or new wife will start moaning |
| 23:47.59 | mallum | g'night all |
| 23:48.07 | treke_ | " Just a little however before with the SDL and the W100 it hurt relieved in vague state, fumbling the SDL, by the fact that, already a little you tried persevering the \x{308B} after all, it is to turn with the hardware with be too slow." |
| 23:51.30 | treke_ | doh |
| 23:51.34 | treke_ | mallum left too soon |
| 23:52.18 | treke_ | There is a aptch on the page that looks to add vga rotation |