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| 06:49.41 | florian | good morning |
| 06:58.23 | pigeon | Good morning. |
| 07:00.27 | florian | hi pi |
| 07:00.32 | florian | hi pigeon |
| 07:00.40 | florian | grrrr |
| 07:10.31 | ryan_ | whats the matter florian: i makea you a pizza and you noa likea |
| 07:12.53 | florian | ryan_: pizza over IP? ;-) |
| 07:13.44 | ryan_ | poip |
| 07:13.55 | ryan_ | only works with ipv6 tho |
| 07:15.02 | florian | this is bad, i don't think we have ipv6 ;-) |
| 07:15.53 | ryan_ | nope thats why the pizza crashed |
| 07:16.02 | ryan_ | looks like a milkshake now |
| 07:18.24 | florian | hmm... then i'll get a coffee :-) |
| 07:18.37 | florian | _not_ oper ip! |
| 07:20.31 | pigeon | pizza over avian carrier. |
| 07:21.51 | florian | pigeon: If you'd send me a pizza, it will be cold... i'm sure! |
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| 07:44.57 | florian_kc | jblinux: hi |
| 07:45.07 | jblinux | hi florian_kc :) |
| 07:45.19 | jblinux | florian_kc: what's with the "kc" ? :) |
| 07:46.48 | florian_kc | jblinux: A kind of "at work" (kc = kernelconcepts, our company) |
| 07:48.15 | jblinux | florian_kc: I see :) |
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| 08:48.00 | florian_kc | Hmm.. something with the .desktop translation is obviously broken :-/ |
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| 10:14.46 | florian | re |
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| 16:58.56 | nilsf | pb_:Hi! |
| 16:59.26 | pb_ | hi nilsf |
| 16:59.40 | nilsf | I have a new finding on the power drain problem... |
| 16:59.49 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 16:59.50 | nilsf | Nothing big though. |
| 17:00.14 | nilsf | After installation of the last unstable I had to boot wih the "normal" kernel once. |
| 17:00.24 | nilsf | After that I installed my "fixed" kernel again. |
| 17:00.32 | nilsf | Several warm reboots in between. |
| 17:00.45 | nilsf | After a day I had the power drain again, i.e. 22% over night. |
| 17:01.04 | nilsf | After a hardware reset (button) it does not drain again. |
| 17:01.48 | nilsf | Conclusion: There is some register set at some point which is not reset at reboot, only with hardware reset, which causes the drain. |
| 17:02.42 | pb_ | Right. |
| 17:03.12 | florian | Hmm... make doesn't create any .desktop files for gpe-conf :-( |
| 17:03.14 | nilsf | And it has to do with the ASIC DAC mechanism somehow... |
| 17:03.35 | pb_ | florian: Oh dear. I thought Libor had fixed that. |
| 17:04.56 | florian | pb_: I think so... the EXTRA_DESKTOPS seems to be defined well.... |
| 17:06.02 | mallum | hi |
| 17:06.16 | florian | pb_: Is there a specific target for this? |
| 17:06.21 | florian | hi mallum! |
| 17:07.13 | mallum | whats libor ? |
| 17:10.03 | pb_ | florian: does "make all-desktop" help? |
| 17:11.07 | florian | Libor Klepac... he created many i8n patches last weeks and many Czech translations... |
| 17:14.09 | florian | pb_: This worked... looks like it is never called.... |
| 17:14.25 | pb_ | florian: you probably need to add an "all: all-desktop" dependency in your makefile. |
| 17:14.39 | pb_ | or at least "install: all-desktop" |
| 17:15.19 | pb_ | I suppose we could have Makefile.translation do that automatically. It probably won't break anything. |
| 17:19.31 | cmarqu_ | "ipkg install libor", hehe |
| 17:19.37 | cmarqu_ | Hi guys. |
| 17:19.46 | pb_ | lol |
| 17:19.48 | pb_ | hi cmarqu_ |
| 17:20.23 | cmarqu_ | This *or* that. |
| 17:21.32 | florian | cmarqu_: hi ho! |
| 17:21.43 | cmarqu_ | Hi or Ho! |
| 17:22.01 | florian | hi & ho! |
| 17:22.13 | florian | s/&/&& |
| 17:22.24 | cmarqu_ | :) |
| 17:53.42 | pb_ | mallum: I was looking at openzaurus buildroot earlier. seems the xfree86 staginginstall doesn't quite do the right thing. also, matchbox doesn't compile. |
| 17:54.45 | pb_ | mallum: would you mind taking a look at those? |
| 18:05.47 | florian | hmm... is gpe-conf_0.1.0 < gpe-conf_0.1.0-pre8? |
| 18:06.17 | pb_ | yes |
| 18:07.37 | florian | :-( |
| 18:09.56 | mallum | pb_: its worked for me the past |
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| 18:21.21 | florian | bbl |
| 18:21.28 | pb_ | florian: later |
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| 18:49.57 | pb_ | re |
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| 19:30.21 | dc_ | hey |
| 19:30.27 | dc_ | pb_: around? |
| 19:30.39 | dc_ | oh, I'm doing electronics nonw |
| 19:30.44 | mallum | hey dc |
| 19:31.37 | dc_ | hey mr mallum ! |
| 19:31.42 | dc_ | mallum: how's it all going/ |
| 19:31.48 | dc_ | ? |
| 19:31.48 | mallum | dc_: good good |
| 19:31.52 | dc_ | great. |
| 19:32.02 | dc_ | I'm at college now you probably know |
| 19:32.12 | mallum | yeah, I think you said the other day |
| 19:32.17 | mallum | is it good so far ? |
| 19:32.41 | dc_ | yeah, dropped maths and computers, now doing electronics engineering |
| 19:32.48 | dc_ | which is cool |
| 19:34.16 | pb_ | dc_: yo |
| 19:34.25 | pb_ | oh, electronics. cool. |
| 19:34.42 | dc_ | indeed. I get to do microcontrolers etc.. |
| 19:35.04 | pb_ | excellent |
| 19:35.55 | pb_ | so you'll be an assembler h4x0r in no time. |
| 19:36.05 | dc_ | yepo |
| 19:36.09 | mallum | dc_: yo, have you ever seen any of the 'yakuza' films by the battlke royale director ? |
| 19:36.14 | dc_ | I have this cool teacher with long white hair. |
| 19:36.15 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:36.23 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:36.28 | dc_ | mallum: no....what are they called? |
| 19:36.49 | mallum | dc_: The one I have to watch is called yakuza papers, but I think there are 2 others |
| 19:36.56 | dc_ | mallum: although, on that note, battle royal 2 is out in japan. |
| 19:37.25 | dc_ | mallum: and tenshinokiba looks really cool. |
| 19:37.38 | dc_ | mallum: have a look at the trailers at tenshinokiba.jp |
| 19:38.04 | mallum | dc_: yeah I read a review of battle royale II in Japan |
| 19:38.22 | mallum | dc_: though the director died half way through and his son had to take over |
| 19:39.32 | dc_ | indeed... |
| 19:40.29 | dc_ | pb_: so anyhow, I need to upgrade this libc. |
| 19:40.36 | pb_ | oh yeah, right |
| 19:40.41 | pb_ | what's your status at the moment? |
| 19:40.47 | dc_ | pb_: I should just extract to / ? |
| 19:40.55 | dc_ | pb_: well, I cuttently have 1.2 |
| 19:41.04 | dc_ | *currently |
| 19:41.07 | pb_ | 2.1? |
| 19:41.15 | dc_ | right |
| 19:41.15 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:41.25 | pb_ | okay |
| 19:41.30 | pb_ | yeah, just extracting to / should work. |
| 19:41.39 | pb_ | suggest you have a static-linked shell ready, just in case |
| 19:42.15 | pb_ | your system may become temporarily unusable if you end up with a mismatch between libc.so and ld.so. |
| 19:43.32 | dc_ | indeed, as there are allot of links |
| 19:43.54 | pb_ | yep. |
| 19:44.00 | pb_ | running ldconfig should sort most of them out |
| 19:44.07 | dc_ | oh right |
| 19:44.15 | pb_ | but you might need to take care of ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.3.2.so by hand. |
| 19:45.42 | dc_ | so I'll need to obtain a statically linked shell to handle that. |
| 19:45.51 | pb_ | that's certainly safest. |
| 19:46.25 | pb_ | you can usually recover without, but it may be difficult to figure out what to do. especially if utilities like "ls" are unavailable. |
| 19:49.11 | dc_ | so, do we have any other sources of libc 2.2 in tar.gz? |
| 19:49.18 | dc_ | as I have no ar whatsoever. |
| 19:49.31 | pb_ | suggest you unpack the .deb and then repack it as tar.gz |
| 19:49.49 | pb_ | dpkg -x libc.deb tmp; cd tmp; tar czf libc.tar.gz lib |
| 19:49.52 | dc_ | :-/ |
| 19:49.53 | pb_ | or something |
| 19:50.14 | pb_ | ah, what distribution do you have on your desktop? |
| 19:50.24 | dc_ | laptop, heh. |
| 19:50.27 | pb_ | or any other machine, for that matter |
| 19:50.37 | pb_ | oh, you're os x only nowadays? |
| 19:50.49 | dc_ | gonna have to get round to install linux on it, but obviously I need a better connection to download some iso's |
| 19:51.30 | pb_ | heh, right |
| 19:51.36 | dc_ | os x is wearing out |
| 19:51.56 | pb_ | I guess I could make a tarball of libc for you. |
| 19:51.58 | pb_ | you want 2.2 or 2.3? |
| 19:53.50 | dc_ | 2.2 I guess, as that what the satellite software complains about |
| 19:53.56 | pb_ | ok |
| 19:54.28 | pb_ | i386, right? |
| 19:54.38 | dc_ | yes |
| 19:54.40 | dc_ | thanks. |
| 19:55.50 | dc_ | yay |
| 19:57.17 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/~pb/libc_2.2.5-11.tar.bz2 |
| 20:10.09 | dc_ | right! |
| 20:11.12 | dc_ | downloading |
| 20:11.25 | dc_ | heh......0.9kb/s |
| 20:11.35 | dc_ | not righ.t. |
| 20:12.33 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 20:15.58 | mallum | dc_: did you get a ibook in japan in the end ? |
| 20:18.07 | dc_ | okay....nearly there... |
| 20:20.16 | dc_ | hrm, static shells seem rare. |
| 20:20.16 | dc_ | maybe I could just live without. |
| 20:20.16 | dc_ | ? |
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| 20:22.21 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, probably. do you have a way to rescue the system if it all goes to worms? |
| 20:22.43 | pb_ | bootable cd, floppy, that kind of thing |
| 20:23.05 | pb_ | there isn't all that much risk of catastrophe, but best to be safe :-) |
| 20:23.31 | dc_ | hrm. do you have any locations of a static shell |
| 20:24.03 | pb_ | there's a bash-static in debian |
| 20:24.22 | pb_ | I can extract the binary if you want |
| 20:24.32 | dc_ | thanks ;-) |
| 20:26.39 | pb_ | bash-static_2.05b-8.1.tar.bz2, same place |
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| 20:46.28 | mallum | pb_: X just built fine for me under oz, what problem were you having ? |
| 20:53.39 | pb_ | mallum: it doesn't install properly into staging. |
| 20:53.50 | pb_ | it was matchbox that didn't build. |
| 20:55.08 | mallum | pb_: yeah trying to figure out whats up with mb |
| 20:56.04 | mallum | pb_: do you have a patch by any chance for the x staging thing ? |
| 20:57.04 | pb_ | no, sorry |
| 20:57.22 | pb_ | I'm not sure exactly what's wrong with it, but I don't end up with the right libraries in $(STAGING_LIBDIR). |
| 20:57.53 | pb_ | I guess it's putting them in some other place by mistake. |
| 20:59.26 | mallum | pb_: it just sticking the X tree under $(STAGING_DIR) |
| 21:00.20 | mallum | pb_: I'll have to figure out how to tell X to stick the libs somewhere other |
| 21:03.12 | mallum | movie time |
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| 22:09.54 | pb_ | dc_: wb |
| 22:10.56 | dc_ | hrm, indeed. |
| 22:11.05 | dc_ | well the sat software seems to be working okay.. |
| 22:11.10 | pb_ | aha |
| 22:11.11 | dc_ | only no connction. |
| 22:11.17 | pb_ | oh, not so good then |
| 22:11.18 | dc_ | rp_filter is set to 0 |
| 22:12.25 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 22:18.13 | pb_ | btw, I think the problem with scrollbars in gpe-filemanager is fixed now. |
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| 22:19.31 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 22:19.36 | pb_ | ji jsmanrique |
| 22:19.39 | pb_ | hi, even |
| 22:19.54 | jsmanrique | pb_: my h5400 has arrived |
| 22:19.59 | pb_ | oh, cool |
| 22:20.01 | jsmanrique | pb_: and I am charging it now |
| 22:20.07 | jsmanrique | how goes GPE on it? |
| 22:20.23 | pb_ | jsmanrique: we still have this problem with the touchscreen |
| 22:20.23 | jsmanrique | I've read that touchscreen doesn't work |
| 22:20.25 | pb_ | other than that, gpe works fine. |
| 22:21.04 | jsmanrique | next week I will work on the presentation/workshop we will give on Spanish Linux Congress |
| 22:21.12 | pb_ | excellent |
| 22:21.15 | jsmanrique | pb_: how about wireless |
| 22:21.34 | pb_ | wifi works partially, but still somewhat flaky. |
| 22:22.31 | jsmanrique | pb_: what does it mean partially? I've found that HP has even updated its h5400 wifi firmware several times |
| 22:22.44 | pb_ | jsmanrique: usually, it works for a while and then stops. |
| 22:23.00 | jsmanrique | it is being a hard week, my hp49g+ has arrived too |
| 22:23.13 | jsmanrique | a arm9 based calculator from HP |
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| 22:23.26 | jsmanrique | 75MHz arm9 processor |
| 22:24.01 | jsmanrique | pb_: so, without touchscreen.. how could I use gpe apps? |
| 22:24.34 | pb_ | with difficulty |
| 22:24.46 | pb_ | well, you can't really. |
| 22:24.47 | jsmanrique | :-) |
| 22:26.46 | jsmanrique | pb_: here it is: http://congreso.hispalinux.es/edicion/2003/actividades/jueves.php |
| 22:27.03 | jsmanrique | pb_: thursday 25th |
| 22:27.38 | jsmanrique | pb_: and maybe we could repeat it on Saturday for a small congress in the north of Spain |
| 22:28.21 | jsmanrique | we are still studying what to show and what not |
| 22:31.25 | jsmanrique | and this is our wiki page for the workshop: http://www.asturlinux.org/wiki/index.php/TallerPDA |
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| 23:25.15 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 23:25.48 | paul | hi pb_ |
| 23:26.03 | pb_ | aha |
| 23:26.36 | paul | :) |
| 23:28.05 | paul | pb_: any news? |
| 23:28.54 | paul | pb_: gpe or otherwise.. (eg what have the Santacruz Clown Organisation been up to the last 2 weeks?) |
| 23:29.59 | pb_ | heh. not sure, I haven't been following SCO that closely for the past few weeks. |
| 23:30.12 | pb_ | in terms of gpe, preparing for familiar 0.7.2 release. |
| 23:31.43 | paul | pb_: hopefully the wheels will fall off their clown car at some stage.. |
| 23:32.02 | pb_ | yeah, gotta hope so. |
| 23:32.18 | pb_ | the whole thing does seem to be becoming increasingly surreal. |
| 23:33.11 | paul | pb_: indeed. quite laughable if not for the (hopefully remote) unpleasant possibilities raised. |