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07:46.23floriangood morning
13:45.26Speulerhi florian
13:45.57Speuler(seen too late that your "good morning" is already six hours old :)
13:53.56florianSpeuler: hi
13:53.58florian:-)
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16:25.40reenoohi
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17:30.51pb_afternoon dc_
17:30.54dc_hey!
17:30.56dc_yay
17:30.58dc_muji
17:31.02pb_cool
17:31.32pb_buy anything good?
17:32.54dc_lots of clothes
17:34.38dc_now i can look uber
17:34.49pb_excellent
17:35.11dc_also got some foodstuffs from the japan center.
17:36.07dc_m. must finish work.
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17:40.11dc_brb, food :-]
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17:57.21pb___moray?
18:16.38*** topic/#gpe by pb_ -> GPE: The GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | libgpewidget 0.66 uploaded to debian sid, time to get packaging
18:23.00*** topic/#gpe by pb_ -> GPE: The GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | libgpewidget 0.66 uploaded to debian sid, time to get packaging | bootgpe2 unstable5: http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable (now includes gpe again!)
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19:14.33pb_nilsf: libgpewidget 0.66 is in familiar unstable as well now, so it should be safe to upload gpe-watch.
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19:45.13*** topic/#gpe is GPE: The GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | libgpewidget 0.66 uploaded to debian sid, time to get packaging | bootgpe2 unstable5: http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable (now includes gpe again!)
19:52.27__moraypb_: ah, hi
19:53.14pb___moray: ah, I just wanted to point out that it should be safe to put GPE packages into debian unstable now.
19:53.24__moraypb_: yes, so I see up there ^^
19:53.28pb_indeed
19:53.52__moraypb_: is there anything in particular I should be doing about this? (though I have to go out in a few minutes)
19:54.49pb_nope, just something to bear in mind next time you feel like building packages.
19:55.15__morayok, fine
19:56.43__moraypb_: I've also got some other packages ready if you think it's worth putting more stuff in yet
19:57.06__moray(though nothing new since the last time I told you that I remember)
19:57.11pb_Sure, yeah, let's do it.
19:57.20pb_Can you send me a list of the packages that you think are ready to upload?
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19:58.41*** topic/#gpe is GPE: The GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | libgpewidget 0.66 uploaded to debian sid, time to get packaging | bootgpe2 unstable5: http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable (now includes gpe again!)
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21:26.53trekeheya AntiProxy
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21:27.01Chunky_KsHeya, people
21:27.19Chunky_KsI've just installed GPE for the first time
21:27.21Chunky_Ksbooted
21:27.29Chunky_KsI can log in from the serial console
21:27.33Chunky_Ksall is happiness
21:27.44Chunky_Kson the screen, I have a black screen, and a cursor
21:27.46Chunky_Ksand nothing else
21:27.58Chunky_Kseven after a few minutes, it's still sitting here doing nothing
21:28.20Chunky_Ksif I touch the screen with the stylus, the cursor remains fixed
21:28.26Chunky_Ksgpe-dm is running
21:29.12treketry stoping gpe-dm and restarting it?
21:29.37pb_which version of gpe did you install?
21:29.51pb_and on which model of ipaq?
21:30.08treke3630
21:30.10Chunky_Ksthe one from the latest familiar
21:30.12Chunky_Ks3630
21:30.15Chunky_Ksapparently.
21:30.23pb_latest being 0.7.1?
21:30.45pb_or did you use the unstable images?
21:30.50Chunky_Ksstable
21:31.00Chunky_Ksstopping & restarting gpe-dm does nothing
21:31.11treke/etc/familiar-release have the version?
21:31.30Chunky_KsFamiliar v0.7.1    
21:31.44Chunky_Ks[from /etc/familiar-version]
21:32.13pb_hm, very strange
21:32.40Chunky_Ksgpe-tetris: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0.    
21:32.49Chunky_Ksif I try to start any graphical apps
21:33.15pb_mm, sounds like your X server is malfunctioning for some reason, but I don't have much idea why that would happen
21:33.59Chunky_Kswell, the X cursor is there
21:34.16pb_but not moving?
21:34.25trekeChunky_Ks: If nothing clears the framebuffer it'd stay there until the end of time
21:34.26Chunky_Ksnope
21:34.45Chunky_Ksperiodically if I tap the screen a lot, the cursor will flick to the stylus, then flick back
21:34.53Chunky_Ks[back to the center]
21:35.00pb_sounds like the server is continually crashing and being restarted.
21:35.13pb_kill gpe-dm and run it by hand with -n
21:35.53Chunky_Ksthe X server's PID isn't changing
21:36.21Chunky_Ksah
21:36.22Chunky_KsCould not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, removing from !
21:36.22Chunky_KsCould not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/, removing from!
21:36.22Chunky_KsCould not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, removing fro!
21:36.22Chunky_KsSegmentation fault                                                              
21:36.34Chunky_Ksrinse, repeat, many many times
21:36.49pb_ah, I was worried you were going to continue pasting that indefinitely
21:36.58Chunky_Ksno
21:37.01Chunky_Ksthat's a compelte cycle
21:37.02pb_I wonder which program is crashing.
21:37.04Chunky_Ksit then begins again
21:38.44Chunky_Ksthe PID iof gpe-dm is staying the same, too
21:41.23pb_well, I don't know what to make of that.
21:41.46Chunky_KsShall I try the 0.7.2 develversion?
21:41.54pb_worth a go, I guess.
21:42.01pb_could also check dmesg for evidence of kernel trouble
21:42.32Chunky_Ksdma period = 1398056 ps, clock = 206400 kHz
21:42.39Chunky_Ksdmesg says that many many many times
21:42.42Chunky_Ksand nothing else
21:42.56pb_that's probably ok.
21:43.15pb_"dma period = ..." is normal output following a server restart.
21:43.20Chunky_KsWarning: OpenDir: No such file or directory (errno 2) in /usr/home/ftp/pub/linux/dists/familiar/releases/v0.7/install/dlget.php on line 45
21:43.34pb_use the image from the topic
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21:50.09florianre
21:54.35pb_hi florian
21:56.22Chunky_Ksif minicom was running in a terminal
21:56.29Chunky_Ks[xterm]
21:56.43Chunky_Ksand I just kicked the powerswitch on that machine
21:56.46Chunky_Kscan I get minicom back?
21:58.53trekesomeone needs to show Chunky_Ks screen
21:59.13Chunky_Ksdon't make me stab you
21:59.29Chunky_KsI don't suually use screen when I'm ssh'ing from one linux box to another linux box
21:59.36Chunky_Ksand only doing one thing in the xterm
22:19.57trekeChunky_Ks: It still flashing?
22:24.07Chunky_KsYep
22:24.35Chunky_Ks7.7M
22:27.06Chunky_Ks8.7
22:33.10Chunky_Ks11M
22:33.11Chunky_Ksgrrr
22:35.07trekeIf the unstable image doesnt work, you can give opie a shot
22:35.15Chunky_Ksyeah
22:35.18pb_indeed
22:35.33Chunky_Kswell, I'll end up doing that, whatever
22:36.49trekepb_: anyone get anywhere with a multisync plugin for gpe?
22:37.03pb_treke: no, I got bogged down in sasl issues
22:37.16pb_should try to work up the enthusiasm to try again, I guess
22:37.25pb_or find someone else to work on it!
22:37.37trekegood plan
22:37.54pb_maybe I can convince florian...
22:37.55trekewhile you are add it, find someone to work on gpe in oe
22:38.09pb_ibot, seen noidd?
22:38.09noidd <~red@clt163-95-188.carolina.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 14d 5h 30m 59s ago, saying: 'yo yo yo'.
22:38.23pb_mm, right
22:39.05pb_I guess it'd kind of help if the OE X11 packages were fixed to work with GPE.  At the moment they aren't compatible, which is a bit demotivating.
22:39.24trekeWhat's wrong with them?
22:39.39Chunky_Ksok. uploaded. /me waits
22:39.42pb_main thing is that they start the X server in the background.  not sure if there's something else.
22:39.51trekepb_: ah
22:39.55trekethat breaks gpe?
22:40.11pb_yeah, because gpe-dm thinks that the server has crashed and tries to start it again and again
22:40.16trekeah
22:40.33trekewonder if that is for any particular reason
22:40.45pb_I think it was to work around the lack of "nice" in oe busybox.
22:40.51trekeah
22:41.32pb_that'd be cool.
22:42.07pb_is there an eta for switching?
22:42.51trekeI think it's mostly a matter of when everything gets converted
22:43.00pb_oh, I think the machine type detection in the X scripts was a bit lame too.  iirc, it did something like "if kernel version is 2.4.6, must be collie, otherwise must be corgi".
22:43.07trekeha
22:43.26trekeit could have at the least looked at /proc/cpuinfo :
22:43.33Chunky_Ksw00t
22:43.38pb_I might be remembering that wrong though.
22:43.41Chunky_Ksjsut calibrated it
22:43.47Chunky_Ksnow at new user thingy
22:43.48pb_ah, sounds like an improvement
22:44.03trekepb_: You tried gpe out on shepherd yet?
22:44.24pb_no, my shepherd is still languishing unused at the office, along with my simpad.
22:44.29pb_need to get my finger out there.
22:44.33trekehehe
22:44.56trekeypi
22:45.04trekeyou have way to many pdas
22:45.19pb_yeah, so it seems
22:45.19pb_:-}
22:46.29pb_might take the Z to the handhelds conference in October and work on it then, since I can be assured of some relatively uninterrupted time to work on it.
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22:49.03trekecable
22:49.17pb_ah yes, that'd be good.
22:49.39trekelike you dont have enough to do
22:50.01pb_nontoxic was keen to work on axim bootldr at the hdc, maybe I can palm it off on him.
22:50.14trekeah
22:50.22trekeHe wanted something with serial to work lab with
22:50.33pb_ah yes
22:50.38pb_I keep forgetting he only has h1900.
22:50.58trekeyeah
22:51.02pb_though I think jamey was going to find him a replacement for that wrecked h3700.
22:51.27trekeChunky_Ks: I'll be back in a few hours. Feel free to call
22:55.19Chunky_Ksso how do I set up ppp over serial in gpe?
22:55.37pb_for dialout, or desktop connectivity?
22:55.48Chunky_Ksdesktop connectivity
22:56.02pb_the ipaq end is all pre-configured.  just need to set up your desktop, per the instructions on the website.
22:56.29Chunky_Ks?
22:56.32Chunky_Kshttp://gpe.handhelds.org/documentation.phtml
22:57.47pb_main handhelds.org site, not the gpe one
22:58.10trekehttp://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto
22:59.06trekehmm. chunky needs usbnetworking
22:59.45trekegetting it to work reliably is a black art, but it's fairly fast
23:00.54Chunky_Ksusbnetworking?
23:00.56Chunky_Ksno
23:01.01Chunky_Ksroot@lefty:~# /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS0 115200 :palmy nodetach local noauth nocrtscts lock user ppp connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -t3 ogin--ogin: ppp"
23:01.04Chunky_KsConnect script failed
23:01.07Chunky_Ksroot@lefty:~#
23:01.09Chunky_Kslefty is the machine it's connected to
23:01.43Chunky_Ksah
23:01.44Chunky_Ksd'oh
23:08.55Chunky_Ksroot@lefty:~# pppd ttyS0 115200
23:08.55Chunky_KsSerial connection established.
23:08.55Chunky_KsUsing interface ppp0
23:08.55Chunky_KsConnect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
23:08.55Chunky_KsLCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
23:08.58Chunky_KsConnection terminated.
23:09.17pb_ah, check that the ppp-async module is loaded on the ipaq.
23:09.30pb_it should happen automatically, but there have been some bugs in that area lately.
23:09.41Chunky_Kshow do I check that?
23:10.56pb_lsmod
23:12.40Chunky_Ksah
23:12.42Chunky_Ksnot loaded
23:13.05pb_load it with modprobe
23:13.15Chunky_Ksmodprobe: failed to load module ppp-async
23:13.20florian_good night
23:13.25pb_florian_: night
23:13.44pb_hm, usual ultra-helpful error from modprobe.
23:13.47pb_try insmod instead.
23:14.07pb_oh, it's ppp_async, not ppp-async
23:16.04Chunky_Kssame error
23:16.08Chunky_Ksthe module's loaded
23:19.12Chunky_Kson both machiens
23:20.24Chunky_Ks...
23:20.25Chunky_Ks?
23:21.04pb_try running pppd by hand and see what happens.
23:21.23Chunky_Kson which machine?
23:21.47pb_on the ipaq
23:22.10Chunky_Ksugh
23:22.15Chunky_Kspeople are fucking playing volleyball agin
23:22.22Chunky_Ksback in about 20 mins

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