| 00:04.58 | __moray | oh, I guess they all disappeared |
| 00:06.02 | dc_ | heh |
| 00:06.28 | __moray | dc_: aha - schoolwork / paid work / coding? |
| 00:06.41 | dc_ | paid work thank god :} |
| 00:07.17 | dc_ | it's getting pretty monotonous though |
| 00:08.29 | __moray | what kind of thing is this? |
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| 00:10.23 | dc_ | heh |
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| 04:46.31 | dc_ | woah, sleep time |
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| 04:46.36 | pigeon | :\ |
| 04:46.40 | pigeon | dc_: sleep? |
| 04:46.54 | dc_ | nearly 6am |
| 04:47.07 | pigeon | Yeah, exactly, time to wake up! :P |
| 04:47.14 | dc_ | at least I'm on track for work now. |
| 04:47.25 | dc_ | pigeon: for pigeons maybe ;-P |
| 04:47.57 | dc_ | I'm kind of tempted to just finish it all today. |
| 04:48.00 | dc_ | mmm. |
| 04:51.07 | __moray | pigeon: tsk, you're clearly on some *bizarre* sleep cycle if you say that ;) |
| 04:51.10 | dc_ | pigeon: convince me |
| 04:51.23 | dc_ | __moray: do you even sleep? |
| 04:51.42 | pigeon | __moray: hehehehe |
| 04:52.17 | __moray | dc_: yes :p |
| 04:52.29 | dc_ | __moray: when? |
| 04:52.50 | __moray | dc_: I'm mostly just on a US time zone of some sort - probably only east coast |
| 04:53.04 | dc_ | e.g.... |
| 04:53.15 | __moray | well, they're about 5 hours behind the UK |
| 04:53.37 | dc_ | oh shucks...hrm. I have a meeting tomorrow. |
| 04:53.41 | dc_ | this will be interesting. |
| 04:53.43 | dc_ | doh. |
| 04:54.08 | __moray | ha |
| 04:54.12 | __moray | what time? |
| 04:54.26 | dc_ | not sure. probably 10ish |
| 04:55.49 | __moray | hm, getting a bit tight now then, yes ;) |
| 04:56.20 | dc_ | lets rely on coffee then |
| 04:56.31 | __moray | sounds like a good backup plan, yes. |
| 04:56.52 | dc_ | that's no backup plan, that is the plan. |
| 04:56.59 | __moray | if I were feeling irresponsible, I'd suggest you just stayed up until after the meeting. |
| 04:57.26 | dc_ | I feel irresponsible. |
| 04:57.29 | __moray | ha |
| 04:57.32 | dc_ | :] |
| 05:49.10 | dc_ | wtf is this all about |
| 05:49.28 | dc_ | this form is making Safari freeze |
| 06:01.29 | pigeon | :O |
| 06:01.41 | pigeon | dc_: I thought you went to sleep |
| 06:03.20 | dc_ | heh |
| 06:03.26 | dc_ | no, I decided to stay up |
| 06:03.27 | dc_ | hehe |
| 06:03.45 | pigeon | hehe, see, I told you, it was the time for wake up. |
| 06:03.48 | dc_ | doh, here come parents and children. |
| 06:04.05 | pigeon | parents and children? |
| 06:04.35 | dc_ | my family are waking up. |
| 06:05.08 | pigeon | And what children? |
| 06:05.21 | dc_ | my brother and sisters |
| 06:06.25 | pigeon | Ah. |
| 06:06.36 | pigeon | Didn't know you have any :) |
| 06:07.07 | dc_ | I have a 5yr brother, and two sisters, 13 and 10 |
| 06:07.38 | dc_ | brb, need some food. |
| 06:07.43 | pigeon | Woo... big family (comparing to mine). |
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| 06:31.58 | ljp | I have 5 step sisters, one step brother and 2 brothers |
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| 06:46.42 | florian | hi all |
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| 06:47.23 | florian | huh? |
| 06:48.34 | pigeon | hello florian! |
| 06:51.11 | florian | pigeon: hi |
| 07:53.03 | florian | bbl |
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| 08:09.07 | dc_ | heh |
| 08:09.20 | dc_ | just watched the end of Goodfellas |
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| 10:04.08 | Speuler | 'morning |
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| 11:57.32 | florian | re |
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| 14:12.27 | dc_ | heyh |
| 14:12.35 | dc_ | pigeon: I failed. |
| 14:12.36 | dc_ | doh |
| 14:16.44 | florian | hi dc_ |
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| 16:09.47 | ryan_ | hi florian |
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| 16:10.15 | florian | ryan_: hi |
| 16:10.37 | ryan_ | florian: how have you been getting along with the asic / ts problem? |
| 16:11.21 | florian | ryan_: Nothing new - no new infoe and no time to work on it theis week :-/ |
| 16:11.34 | ryan_ | florian: i know what you mean |
| 16:11.37 | pbuckley | thats probally why he is hiding in here vs #handhelds ;) |
| 16:11.56 | ryan_ | haha fair enough... ibot knew where to find ya! |
| 16:12.18 | ryan_ | pbuckley, you arent pb_ are you??? |
| 16:12.35 | pbuckley | heh no.. although i wish i was.. he seems like a popular guy =) |
| 16:12.59 | ryan_ | haha lol - must be the alcohol kicking in sorry :( |
| 16:13.56 | ryan_ | (I come from Australia) |
| 16:14.07 | ryan_ | and its 1:45 in the morning |
| 16:14.15 | ryan_ | so i will best to be off to bed now |
| 16:14.22 | ryan_ | night night ladies |
| 16:17.35 | florian | ryan_: ibot knows pretty much :-) |
| 16:18.16 | florian | ryan_: good night... |
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| 17:04.02 | florian | bbl |
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| 17:25.22 | nilsf | pb_: Oh, hi! |
| 17:25.38 | pb_ | hi chaps |
| 17:41.13 | dc_ | hi mr pb |
| 17:44.46 | pb_ | dc_: afternoon |
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| 17:45.18 | florian | re |
| 17:45.23 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 17:46.08 | florian | pb_: hi! |
| 17:51.30 | dc_ | yatta, ice-cream |
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| 18:40.29 | spung | pb_: (why do I always ask you? :-)) is there a way to know the powerbook's serial number on linux? does MOL tell me the correct one? |
| 18:40.57 | pb_ | spung: I have no idea, sorry |
| 18:41.10 | pb_ | can you not compare what MOL says with what's on your sticker? |
| 18:41.31 | spung | pb_: well, the serial number is on the inside of the battery |
| 18:41.58 | pb_ | ah. |
| 18:42.14 | spung | nevermind, thanks :) |
| 19:07.02 | spung | pb_: fiy, mol presents a different serial number :) |
| 19:07.11 | pb_ | aha |
| 19:07.47 | dc_ | I think every gpe developer must have an apple laptop now. |
| 19:07.55 | pb_ | hehe, yeah |
| 19:07.55 | spung | heh |
| 19:08.18 | pb_ | dc_: well, florian and nils still lack them, but I guess you make up for that by having two. |
| 19:08.26 | dc_ | ;-} |
| 19:08.36 | dc_ | spung: have you installed debian on your laptop? |
| 19:08.40 | spung | dc_: doh |
| 19:08.47 | spung | dc_: :) |
| 19:08.59 | dc_ | spung: powerbook you have right? |
| 19:09.14 | spung | dc_: 15", 1Ghz |
| 19:09.25 | dc_ | doh. |
| 19:09.38 | dc_ | model/ |
| 19:09.49 | spung | dc_: well, you have two! |
| 19:09.56 | dc_ | ssh. |
| 19:10.08 | dc_ | spung: so, how does debian run? |
| 19:11.06 | spung | dc_: pretty well |
| 19:11.11 | dc_ | eek, my os x dock has run out of space. |
| 19:11.14 | dc_ | now I need debiam. |
| 19:11.16 | spung | dc_: what do you mean? |
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| 19:12.57 | spung | pb_: regular airport i think |
| 19:13.08 | dc_ | doh |
| 19:13.15 | dc_ | I have broadcom crap |
| 19:13.38 | pb_ | no prospect of any linux drivers, presumably? |
| 19:13.48 | dc_ | I guess. |
| 19:14.09 | dc_ | just about everything wireless nowdays uses that chip |
| 19:14.22 | pb_ | yeah |
| 19:14.23 | spung | pb_: yes, up to 11mb i guess that's a regular one |
| 19:14.35 | dc_ | we need l337 h4xorz to make drivers. |
| 19:14.38 | pb_ | for 802.11g there aren't all that many other games in town. |
| 19:14.51 | pb_ | intersil does have a prism gt, but it seems to be somewhat vaporous. |
| 19:15.08 | pb_ | dc_: yeah. as florian would say, "We need an army of hackers!" |
| 19:15.18 | dc_ | well, 11g is certainly a improvement over b |
| 19:15.27 | pb_ | so I've heard. |
| 19:15.30 | dc_ | pb_: hehe |
| 19:15.39 | dc_ | yeah, signal is allot better |
| 19:15.46 | pb_ | I don't think my ibook supports extreme wifi. |
| 19:15.59 | dc_ | and since I'm going through a foot of brick, it helps |
| 19:16.08 | pb_ | right |
| 19:16.30 | pb_ | other problem with G is no pc cards, so no prospect of support for ipaq, simpad and so on. |
| 19:16.40 | dc_ | oh really? |
| 19:16.43 | pb_ | yeah |
| 19:16.44 | dc_ | none ever... |
| 19:19.13 | pb_ | there's one USB chipset, but most 802.11g is PCI/cardbus. |
| 19:19.13 | dc_ | or just, not yet. |
| 19:19.13 | dc_ | spung: use xchat ;[ |
| 19:19.13 | dc_ | ;] |
| 19:19.13 | pb_ | dc_: certainly none yet, but wouldn't surprise me if none ever. |
| 19:19.13 | dc_ | pb_: eek |
| 19:19.13 | pb_ | 54Mbps is higher than the data rate you can get over a pcmcia interface. |
| 19:19.13 | dc_ | ah. |
| 19:19.14 | pb_ | not a particularly big deal as long as APs retain backwards compatibility with 11b, I guess. |
| 19:19.14 | dc_ | quite so. |
| 19:25.06 | spung | pb_: are there no 100mbs pcmcia ethernet cards? |
| 19:29.00 | pb_ | yeah, there are a couple of 10/100 cards. |
| 19:33.17 | spung | pb_: that doesn't make much sense then? |
| 19:34.09 | pb_ | not a great deal. I guess there are enough 100Mbps-only networks to make it worthwhile. |
| 19:34.44 | spung | pb_: ah i see |
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| 21:31.46 | dc_ | hey pb_, around? |
| 21:35.00 | florian | night |
| 21:39.59 | pb_ | dc_: yep |
| 21:40.21 | dc_ | pb_: got a sec for some firewalling help_ |
| 21:40.34 | pb_ | sure |
| 21:48.17 | dc_ | so, I have iptables setup like: |
| 21:49.14 | dc_ | bah. no cut and paste. |
| 21:49.47 | dc_ | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -d 192.168.0.0/192.168.0.255 -j MASQUERADE |
| 21:49.51 | dc_ | and with -s |
| 21:49.52 | dc_ | then |
| 21:50.15 | dc_ | iptable -A FORWARD -d 192.168.0.0/192.168.0.255 -j ACCEPT |
| 21:50.21 | dc_ | with -s as well. |
| 21:50.36 | pb_ | ok |
| 21:51.18 | dc_ | not sure if iptables is my problem, but on the box, when I try to ping, I get Packet filtered returned |
| 21:51.29 | dc_ | for each packet ovbiously |
| 21:51.47 | pb_ | you're trying to ping from a machine on 192.168.0.0/24 to the internet? |
| 21:51.50 | dc_ | and it seems something is also blocking the client from using SMTP |
| 21:52.26 | dc_ | pb_: on localhost, the box with iptables, ping returns packet filtered. on the other clients, ping gets no reply |
| 21:52.32 | pb_ | ah, okay |
| 21:52.37 | pb_ | do you have anything in your OUTPUT chain? |
| 21:52.57 | dc_ | no |
| 21:53.24 | pb_ | or INPUT? |
| 21:53.55 | dc_ | nothing |
| 21:54.08 | pb_ | and the policy on those two chains is ACCEPT, right? |
| 21:55.40 | dc_ | yes |
| 21:56.17 | pb_ | hrm. what's the exact text of the message you get from ping on that machine? |
| 21:57.06 | dc_ | From x.x.x.x icmp_swq=x Packet filtered |
| 21:57.13 | dc_ | ovbiously with numbers instead of x's |
| 21:57.20 | pb_ | what IP address is the x.x.x.x? |
| 21:57.29 | pb_ | the same machine? |
| 21:57.49 | dc_ | ah right |
| 21:57.54 | dc_ | I see yes. |
| 21:58.14 | dc_ | the local ppp ip |
| 21:59.09 | pb_ | ah. hm. |
| 22:01.57 | dc_ | indeed. hm. |
| 22:03.08 | pb_ | well, it certainly would appear that this machine is blocking packets for some reason. |
| 22:04.08 | pb_ | if you do iptables -L -v, can you see any rules whose packet counts are going up? |
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| 22:06.03 | pb_ | <pb_> if you do iptables -L -v, can you see any rules whose packet counts are going up? |
| 22:07.24 | dc_ | both INPUT and OUTPUT are going up |
| 22:07.30 | dc_ | yet, they have no rules in them |
| 22:07.51 | pb_ | that's ok. are the packet counts going up on your FORWARD rules? |
| 22:08.09 | pb_ | and, more importantly, the POSTROUTING rule for masquerade? |
| 22:09.47 | dc_ | eek, no. |
| 22:10.14 | pb_ | aha |
| 22:10.18 | dc_ | POSTROUTING and PREROUTING arn't changing |
| 22:10.50 | pb_ | well, the syntax for the postrouting line you pasted looks a bit broken, though iptables may not mind about that. |
| 22:11.01 | pb_ | normally you'd write 192.168.0.0/24 rather than 192.168.0.0/192.168.0.255 |
| 22:11.32 | pb_ | incidentally, you only really need the -s rule. it doesn't make much sense to masquerade packets going in. |
| 22:13.24 | dc_ | doh, problem solved, at least for SMTP |
| 22:15.22 | pb_ | ah right |
| 22:16.07 | dc_ | god knows why pings still get filtered. |
| 22:17.20 | pb_ | maybe something weird going on at your ISP. |
| 22:17.38 | pb_ | though it does sound like your local machine is to blame somehow. |
| 22:19.57 | dc_ | :/ |
| 22:20.01 | dc_ | pb_: thanks allot anyhow |
| 22:20.16 | dc_ | now I can feel a bit for equipped with iptables knowlage. |
| 22:20.27 | pb_ | hehe |
| 22:22.49 | dc_ | hrm. think I might move to my bedroom, the office is getting damn cold. |
| 22:23.09 | pb_ | yeah, so much for summer. |
| 22:23.23 | pb_ | seems like it was short and sharp this year :-) |
| 22:26.32 | dc_ | well, I missed it all :-/ |
| 22:26.46 | pb_ | oh yeah, hehe |
| 22:28.06 | dc_ | and strangely enough, japan missed its summer, and it was about 20 top, instead of the expected 50 or whatever it gets in Tokyo |
| 22:28.30 | pb_ | oh, that does sound bizarre. |
| 22:31.44 | spung | hot enough in portugal :-) |
| 22:32.03 | pb_ | ah |
| 22:36.01 | dc_ | lets see if my wifi will last the trip. |
| 22:36.42 | pb_ | fingers crossed |
| 22:37.07 | dc_ | doh, back to a lacking lcd resolution |
| 22:37.28 | pb_ | your lcd works less well in one room than another? freaky. |
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| 22:47.11 | pb_ | guess the answer was no |
| 22:47.13 | dc__ | lack |
| 22:47.42 | dc__ | wifi is bad in my room |
| 22:47.44 | dc__ | all this sound proofing |
| 22:48.32 | dc__ | pb_: heh no, I was using an external monitor in the osffice |
| 22:48.32 | dc__ | office |
| 22:48.32 | dc__ | oh wow!. |
| 22:48.32 | dc__ | my leet japanese mousepad glows in the dark |
| 22:48.32 | dc__ | how magical |
| 22:49.40 | pb_ | heh, that's cool |
| 22:50.16 | pb_ | dc__: maybe you should give in and install a separate AP in your room. |
| 22:51.44 | dc__ | hrm. that would be nice. only my next cheque goes to debts |
| 22:52.12 | pb_ | ah :-/ |
| 22:56.03 | pigeon | heh |
| 22:58.44 | dc__ | blaf |
| 22:58.44 | dc__ | this game won't go upto my lcd rsolution |
| 23:01.49 | pb_ | oh, were we going to try to have a GPE stand at the olympia linux expo this year? |
| 23:02.10 | pigeon | :o |
| 23:04.05 | dc__ | I hope so |
| 23:04.18 | dc__ | it would be fun |
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| 23:04.32 | pb_ | oops, what'd I do there? |
| 23:05.09 | dc__ | heh |
| 23:05.11 | pb_ | dc__: well, the olympia thing is only about four weeks away, so immediate action may be necessary. |
| 23:05.18 | dc__ | right. |
| 23:05.30 | dc__ | who has to be contacted? |
| 23:06.04 | pb_ | check linuxexpo.co.uk for contact details for the .org village, I guess. |
| 23:06.19 | pb_ | or talk to the Debian folks, who will also be there. |
| 23:07.49 | dc__ | right... |
| 23:09.13 | pb_ | more specifically, it's on October 8-9. |
| 23:10.35 | dc__ | yeah, well, I got the letter today, which prompted me to register on the website. |
| 23:10.48 | pb_ | aha |
| 23:12.33 | dc__ | ack, what's to day today. |
| 23:12.33 | dc__ | or rather. what will it be in the morning. |
| 23:12.43 | pb_ | friday |
| 23:13.03 | dc__ | ahah, it seems I have access to nttp. |
| 23:13.07 | dc__ | thanks. |
| 23:13.09 | dc__ | ntp rather |
| 23:19.56 | pb_ | hm, I should redouble my efforts to build some working new bootstrap images. |
| 23:20.10 | pb_ | apparently the recent ones have all been hopeless |
| 23:22.52 | dc__ | '-/ |
| 23:25.10 | pb_ | heh, don't suppose I can interest you in working on gpe-filemanager at all? |
| 23:26.58 | dc__ | college |
| 23:27.13 | dc__ | although I should have some time next weekend |
| 23:27.18 | dc__ | remind me |
| 23:27.19 | pb_ | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe2: |
| 23:27.20 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.20 | dc__ | allot. |
| 23:27.22 | pb_ | aha |
| 23:27.34 | dc__ | bah. need sleep |
| 23:27.39 | pb_ | dc__: night |
| 23:27.43 | dc__ | going to london tomorrow |
| 23:27.45 | dc__ | at 6 |
| 23:27.46 | dc__ | heh |
| 23:27.56 | pb_ | oh right, the big city? cool. |
| 23:28.01 | pb_ | what ya doing there? |
| 23:28.14 | dc__ | shopping. muji |
| 23:28.19 | pb_ | neato |
| 23:28.22 | dc__ | amoungst other things |
| 23:28.31 | dc__ | yep :-D |