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| 06:48.48 | florian | morning |
| 06:52.39 | pigeon | hi florian |
| 06:54.28 | florian | ahh :-) |
| 06:54.30 | florian | hi pigeon |
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| 08:19.24 | florian | brb |
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| 08:24.34 | florian | re |
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| 10:06.09 | ryan5400_ | hi florian |
| 10:06.42 | florian | hi ryan5400_ |
| 10:11.04 | ryan5400_ | florian: have you made any advancements on the asic / pxa / ts problem> |
| 10:11.28 | florian | nope, no time so far.... |
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| 10:59.40 | florian | hi nilsf :) |
| 11:02.56 | florian | We could hack gpe-lock-display to show this nice watch. |
| 11:05.48 | nilsf | Even better to hack the lock-display to start an arbitrary program for locking, user choosable. |
| 11:10.07 | florian | Hm yes - sounds good but we'd need to keep in mind that we still need to keep in mind that we don't have the whole display... |
| 11:10.26 | nilsf | Hä? |
| 11:12.39 | florian | What about the space for the widgets to unlock the display? |
| 11:23.02 | nilsf | Oh, I thought more of an laternative to lock the disp. You choose either to really _lock_ it or just to start another program, like the watch, or dayview or thelike. |
| 11:33.08 | florian | Ah, ok - yep... this sounds leike a very good idea... |
| 11:33.22 | florian | s/ieike/like |
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| 15:14.55 | teleyinex | hi |
| 15:15.09 | teleyinex | gpe has a web browser? |
| 15:15.19 | teleyinex | and in that case, which? |
| 15:15.37 | florian_work | yep, but it is an external project. |
| 15:15.41 | florian_work | we use dillo |
| 15:15.54 | teleyinex | another one: fits the horizontal text? or i have to do horizontall scroll |
| 15:16.52 | florian_work | This depends... if there is a page taht uses tables it tries to make the table rows fit. looks nice... |
| 15:17.20 | florian_work | At the moment we don't use the recent dillo because there is no gtk2 port of it. |
| 15:19.32 | teleyinex | my problem is that in my ipaq i read a lot pdf books |
| 15:19.56 | teleyinex | but with gnu/linux i cant, cause the readers of pdf doesnt fit horizontal |
| 15:20.18 | teleyinex | but theres a tool: pdftohtml which converts from pdf to html |
| 15:20.38 | teleyinex | i want to read only text, but without make any horizontal scroll |
| 15:23.06 | florian_work | yep, sure - pdf is a page description langguge... |
| 15:23.32 | florian_work | with pdf the page size is fixed to a givean value.... |
| 15:24.50 | florian_work | with html and dillo this should work - worst case a matter of tuning the html output or dillo |
| 15:24.56 | florian_work | brb |
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| 15:31.30 | FreeCe` | hi all |
| 15:40.35 | moray | teleyinex: dillo is supposed to have a feature that will make text columns fit into the width of the window |
| 15:41.56 | FreeCe` | buy all... good evening at all... agrrr... cassiopeia !!!! :'( |
| 15:42.13 | FreeCe` | uhmm... bye, not buy :D |
| 15:42.28 | FreeCe` | c ya |
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| 16:12.10 | florian_work | re |
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| 17:20.19 | florian_work | bbl |
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| 18:03.08 | florian | re |
| 18:03.34 | pb_ | florian: re |
| 18:04.33 | florian | pb_: hi! |
| 18:08.40 | nilsf | pb_: Read emails recently ;) ? |
| 18:08.52 | pb_ | nilsf: yep :-) you? |
| 18:09.04 | nilsf | Just a second ago, yes ;) |
| 18:09.31 | nilsf | The background image of gpeclockface seems to work better now; I cannot see a glitch... |
| 18:09.43 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 18:09.54 | pb_ | I'll have to try out your watch program. |
| 18:10.00 | nilsf | :) |
| 18:10.10 | nilsf | Don't expect too much. Have a look at scap! |
| 18:10.15 | nilsf | Florian did a shot... |
| 18:11.23 | florian | Did one of you see this before? |
| 18:11.26 | florian | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 18:11.29 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 18:11.35 | pb_ | Oh yes, there it is. Looks nice. |
| 18:11.35 | nilsf | florian: Ouch! |
| 18:11.48 | pb_ | florian: oh dear. no, never seen that. |
| 18:12.13 | nilsf | florian: How did it happen? |
| 18:12.56 | florian | I got a mail from this guy with trouble running this 3com pcmcia ethernet card this morning... |
| 18:13.05 | pb_ | florian: 3com cards have never worked. |
| 18:13.09 | nilsf | Oh, OK. |
| 18:13.18 | pb_ | florian: someone needs to debug the driver. |
| 18:13.27 | florian | pb_: is this an ipaq specific problem? |
| 18:13.42 | pb_ | florian: not sure. might be ARM specific rather than ipaq. |
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| 18:14.08 | pb_ | I think there is a bug open for that issue, there might be some information there. |
| 18:14.15 | reenoo | hi |
| 18:14.19 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 18:14.27 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 18:14.41 | florian | Is this just a problem of reading hardware info from this card? |
| 18:14.49 | florian | reenoo: hi |
| 18:14.53 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 18:15.01 | pb_ | I don't know. You could ask jamey tomorrow when he's back at work. |
| 18:15.16 | reenoo | <-- will finally submit the mb etc. ebuilds |
| 18:16.01 | florian | Hm yes, ok - i'll do that... |
| 18:16.05 | nilsf | florian: Could you also do a scap of the watch started with "-d" please? |
| 18:16.35 | florian | nilsf: ok, wait... |
| 18:18.17 | florian | Where is my gpe-bluetooth? |
| 18:18.30 | nilsf | It did vanish for me too, recently... |
| 18:19.31 | florian | ...and minibat doesn't like my battery anymore. |
| 18:20.10 | nilsf | pb_: Oh! I completely forgot, I am sorry to say, but your unstable4 images for H3600 are worse than unstable3... :( |
| 18:20.33 | pb_ | nilsf: ah, what's wrong with them? |
| 18:20.45 | nilsf | pb_: First off the gpe-apps are missing again. |
| 18:20.51 | pb_ | Ah, oh dear. |
| 18:21.03 | nilsf | pb_: Then the kernel is broken... it lacks the h3600-asic module completely. |
| 18:21.03 | pb_ | Maybe I still have ipkg problems. |
| 18:21.13 | nilsf | pb_: So no ts, no backlight, etc... |
| 18:21.20 | pb_ | :-( |
| 18:21.29 | nilsf | pb_: Sorry... |
| 18:21.53 | pb_ | Is the h3600_asic module missing in the feed, or just in the images? |
| 18:22.24 | nilsf | Umm... no idea. At _least_ it's missing in the image. |
| 18:22.24 | pb_ | I can spin new images very quickly, but if it requires a kernel rebuild that will take a bit longer. |
| 18:22.36 | pb_ | Okay. |
| 18:23.25 | nilsf | pb_: Perfect, florian did a new scap with the dialog-watch! Pls. have a look... |
| 18:23.34 | nilsf | florian: Thanks! |
| 18:23.59 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13387.png |
| 18:24.00 | pb_ | Ah, excellent :-) |
| 18:24.22 | pb_ | hehe |
| 18:24.23 | nilsf | I am quite unsure how to proceed. You can choose either mode with a commandline option. |
| 18:25.07 | nilsf | What do you think how this should be further developed? |
| 18:25.56 | nilsf | For example the old Apple Newton had such an anolog clock "dialog" which allowed the whole settings things with an option menu in the lower part of the window. |
| 18:26.10 | nilsf | Maybe I'll try this in a new version. |
| 18:26.25 | pb_ | Sounds like a good idea. |
| 18:26.46 | nilsf | Do we have any decisuon reagrding UI guidelines how to treat "hidden" features, i.e. features that are not obvious? |
| 18:27.07 | florian | In which context? |
| 18:27.21 | nilsf | The watch... |
| 18:27.32 | florian | Really? ;-) |
| 18:27.57 | nilsf | For example to use the tap-n-hold thing to get the options... |
| 18:28.33 | pb_ | No, we don't really have a decision on that. I think it needs to be handled on a case by case basis. |
| 18:28.42 | florian | Never hide a setting in a config dialog - just disable everything that depends on it. |
| 18:29.27 | moray | florian: I'm not sure what you mean there? |
| 18:29.29 | florian | I is maybe a good idea to create a nice help (using gpe-what)... |
| 18:29.48 | nilsf | Sure... but for graphical design reasons... the watch could be displayed without alltogether and when you tap-n-hold you get the option menu. |
| 18:31.10 | florian | moray: This was intended to describe how a setup dialog should look like... not the solution to access settings that Nils wanted to have. |
| 18:33.25 | florian | Two more obvious solutions: |
| 18:34.14 | florian | Add a button in the same style like the rest of the watch widget. |
| 18:35.34 | florian | Or access it by a menu entry like we use to change applications... but this is maybe a bad idea for the fullscreen watch. |
| 18:38.04 | nilsf | Frankly, I don't like both, sorry... |
| 18:39.14 | florian | I'm not sure if tab+hold is a better idea... |
| 18:39.27 | nilsf | It isn't, no... |
| 18:40.29 | florian | What about showing setup options if you tap the watch - without hold. |
| 18:41.08 | nilsf | The clockface itself is sensitive already for dragging the hands... |
| 18:42.03 | florian | Yes, but this is not needed in gpe-watch, or not? |
| 18:42.24 | nilsf | But that requires a bigger rewrite in gpeclockface... |
| 18:43.52 | florian | Hm yes... not a good idea too... |
| 19:06.44 | reenoo | heh |
| 19:06.51 | reenoo | change notebook... lol... wish I had several of those :/ |
| 19:06.57 | pb_ | hehe |
| 19:25.54 | reenoo | actually... |
| 19:26.24 | reenoo | I'm gonna buy one in the next few weeks... recommendations welcome |
| 19:26.55 | pb_ | I was happy with my ibook until the mains adapter blew up. |
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| 19:28.35 | reenoo | I want a fujitsu p2120 (small, long battery life, wifi integrated) but it's not available here |
| 19:28.38 | moray | reenoo: I'd recommend *not* to buy a Sony laptop (for reliability / build quality reasons) |
| 19:29.11 | reenoo | moray: oh good to hear that *now* :) |
| 19:30.17 | reenoo | (i.e. so that I don't have to experience it on my own, which would be too late ;) |
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| 19:31.49 | florian | re |
| 19:31.55 | reenoo | florian: wb |
| 19:32.58 | florian | This display is small... i feel a little bit jailed :-/ |
| 19:33.57 | ade|beth2 | next laptop ? |
| 19:37.35 | florian | ade|beth2: Yes, i moved a hatddisk to an other notebook... i'm impressed how easy this was. |
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| 20:14.29 | reenoo | hmm... |
| 20:14.55 | reenoo | no mallum |
| 20:45.58 | pb_ | reenoo: I think mallum is still on his honeymoon. |
| 20:46.11 | reenoo | oh |
| 20:47.02 | pb_ | ibot, seen mallum? |
| 20:47.02 | | mallum <~mallum@82-35-112-58.cable.ubr07.dals.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 17d 4h 21m 10s ago, saying: 'ok, happy hacking :-)'. |
| 20:47.16 | pb_ | I think he was going to be away for three or four weeks. |
| 20:48.08 | reenoo | anyways: |
| 20:48.16 | reenoo | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27729 |
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| 20:51.59 | reenoo | Xsettings-client or xsettings-client for the package name? |
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| 21:22.36 | florian | brb |
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| 21:33.24 | florian | re |
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| 22:25.27 | dc_ | hey! |
| 22:26.17 | florian | hi dc_! |
| 22:26.21 | pb_ | dc_: yo |
| 22:27.58 | dc_ | going good? |
| 22:28.07 | dc_ | I've got my college intro day tomorrow |
| 22:28.15 | pb_ | ah, cool |
| 22:28.28 | dc_ | indeed, it's goig to be interesting |
| 22:28.31 | pb_ | yeah, going okay. started work at arm again today. |
| 22:29.06 | pb_ | when does college actually start in earnest - is that next week? |
| 22:29.23 | dc_ | 8th |
| 22:29.55 | pb_ | right |
| 22:30.19 | pb_ | did you get your laptop fixed yet, by the way? |
| 22:30.44 | pb_ | I need to try to get apple to send me a new mains adapter for mine. |
| 22:30.54 | dc_ | heh,yeah, they took mine |
| 22:31.00 | dc_ | its ben sent to germany |
| 22:31.09 | pb_ | aha |
| 22:31.10 | dc_ | hopefully should be back within a week |
| 22:31.16 | dc_ | they said 10 days total |
| 22:31.21 | dc_ | the support is pretty good. |
| 22:31.23 | pb_ | sounds good |
| 22:31.58 | dc_ | heh, now I've reinstalled mandrake I've lot my upgraded radeon rivers. |
| 22:32.03 | dc_ | drivers even ;] |
| 22:32.05 | pb_ | hah |
| 22:32.08 | dc_ | so no dual screen, heh. |
| 22:32.10 | dc_ | indeed. |
| 22:32.14 | pb_ | yeah, I have a bit of a radeon driver nightmare on this machine. |
| 22:32.20 | pb_ | one particular X screensaver causes it to lock up. |
| 22:32.22 | dc_ | what card is it? |
| 22:32.26 | pb_ | 9200 |
| 22:32.47 | dc_ | beats me |
| 22:33.09 | pb_ | :-} |
| 22:34.22 | pb_ | <0>Kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task! <0>In idle task - not syncing |
| 22:34.23 | pb_ | hrm |
| 22:35.27 | ljp | sooo.. how goes gpe development? |
| 22:35.56 | ljp | There was anarticle about gpe on the july edition of linux-magazine |
| 22:36.23 | pb_ | ah, was that Nils' article? |
| 22:36.47 | ljp | ya |
| 22:37.01 | dc_ | nice. |
| 22:37.16 | dc_ | is there a copy online? |
| 22:37.33 | ljp | kinda. the articles aren't online |
| 22:37.42 | dc_ | yeah? |
| 22:38.19 | ljp | magazines from england are expensive here |
| 22:38.29 | dc_ | doh |
| 22:38.30 | ljp | paid $13.50 AUD |
| 22:38.38 | florian | I think we have a copy of the English version at kc... |
| 22:39.02 | florian | It maybe could fall down... into the scanner ;-) |
| 22:39.11 | dc_ | yeah. I did get a copy of that mag yeasterday, ovbiously I missed our article. |
| 22:39.15 | dc_ | I usualy get linux format ;/ |
| 22:39.18 | dc_ | maybe |
| 22:39.22 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:39.25 | dc_ | you know, anything could happen. |
| 22:39.56 | pb_ | ljp: isn't gpe kind of a dirty word in your office? |
| 22:40.02 | ljp | no |
| 22:40.19 | ljp | it's not seen as a threat |
| 22:40.30 | pb_ | ah, that's cool |
| 22:41.12 | ljp | it might change of any device is ever shipped with gpe, though ;) |
| 22:41.18 | ljp | if, not of |
| 22:41.57 | florian | eh? |
| 22:42.05 | pb_ | ljp: hehe |
| 22:42.28 | pb_ | florian: ljp works for trolltech |
| 22:43.19 | florian | ahh, now... i see :-) |
| 22:43.54 | florian | ljp: Nice to talk to someone from the dark side of power ;-) |
| 22:43.59 | ljp | hehehe |
| 22:46.03 | florian | I should go to bed... or i'll need many liters of coffee tomorrow :-/ |
| 22:47.12 | pb_ | florian: wouldn't want that. |
| 22:48.02 | ljp | I should buy an ipaq so I can throw gpe on it |
| 22:48.34 | florian | pb_: yep, not really... but i have still change in gpe-conf to test... |
| 22:48.50 | pb_ | ljp: seems like a good idea |
| 22:49.16 | pb_ | or you could get dc_ to explain how to install on a zaurus |
| 22:49.32 | ljp | it would have to fit on a 5000d |
| 22:49.46 | pb_ | how much memory do they have? |
| 22:49.55 | ljp | not much |
| 22:49.57 | pb_ | it will fit (just) in an ipaq 3600, which is 32 ram 16 flash |
| 22:50.42 | ljp | I would rather have something with more resources, so I can add cool apps |
| 22:50.59 | pb_ | seems sensible. ipaqs aren't very expensive nowadays. |
| 22:58.35 | pb_ | florian: hm, it seems that h3600_asic.o is just completely missing from kernel hh23. |
| 22:58.35 | pb_ | I guess I should build a new image set post haste. |
| 22:58.36 | florian | pb_: ok, this makes clear why Nils had some problems with the control of his ipaq ;-) |
| 22:58.36 | pb_ | yes indeed |
| 22:58.36 | florian | ok, night all - cu later... |
| 22:58.36 | pb_ | florian: night |
| 22:59.40 | pb_ | dc_: hehe |
| 23:03.12 | ljp | just get someone to add gpe to buildroot |
| 23:03.23 | pb_ | ljp: many have tried |
| 23:03.37 | ljp | well, they havent tried hard enough |
| 23:03.38 | pb_ | noidd is, notionally, still working on it |
| 23:04.18 | dc_ | ljp: ssh, you're sounding like mallmum |
| 23:04.27 | pb_ | ljp: I think few people possess both the buildroot ski11z and the strength of character to deal with cross-compiling gtk applications. |
| 23:04.58 | pigeon | dc_: hey hey hey! |
| 23:05.00 | dc_ | I certianly don't |
| 23:05.03 | pigeon | pb_: yo yo yo! |
| 23:05.05 | dc_ | pigeon: hey dude. |
| 23:05.11 | dc_ | pigeon: hato-san |
| 23:05.15 | pb_ | pigeon: howdy |
| 23:05.42 | dc_ | weeee, I went to the japanese center in london today. |
| 23:05.54 | dc_ | it's kind of cool, they sell lots of soba noodles. |
| 23:05.55 | dc_ | pigeon: :) |
| 23:06.00 | pigeon | Hahahaha |
| 23:06.18 | dc_ | and really expensive dakara |
| 23:07.06 | pigeon | Remember to tell me when you come down to sydney again |
| 23:07.17 | pigeon | I'm bringing you to all these good jap restaurants. |
| 23:07.26 | dc_ | yeah, that would rock. |
| 23:07.34 | dc_ | well...defiantly in 2 years. |
| 23:07.48 | dc_ | I have solid plans to visit australia and japan |
| 23:07.52 | dc_ | after college |
| 23:08.02 | pigeon | see if I've got a driving license yet at that time ;) |
| 23:08.38 | dc_ | I will have :) |
| 23:08.44 | dc_ | ;-P rather |
| 23:08.50 | dc_ | hehe |
| 23:08.59 | dc_ | pigeons can't drive anyway |
| 23:09.36 | dc_ | pigeon: but I guess you're a 'special' pigeon |
| 23:09.52 | pigeon | We have pigeon cars. |
| 23:09.55 | dc_ | yay |
| 23:10.10 | pigeon | Operated by dozens of pigeons inside the car. |
| 23:10.14 | dc_ | kawaii ne! |
| 23:10.20 | pigeon | Thus, pigeon car can fly ;) |
| 23:10.24 | dc_ | sugoiiii rather |
| 23:10.26 | ljp | pigeons are really rock doves |
| 23:10.37 | dc_ | ljp: eh? |
| 23:10.44 | ljp | :) |
| 23:10.49 | ljp | pigeons. birds, |
| 23:10.57 | pigeon | ljp: hehehehe |
| 23:11.41 | dc_ | anyhow. I must get to bed early. college testing tomorrow |
| 23:11.46 | pigeon | :Q |
| 23:11.46 | dc_ | what fun. |
| 23:12.07 | dc_ | then I must work with hast and finish this 'oh so enjoyable' php code. |
| 23:12.14 | dc_ | and consume money. |
| 23:12.17 | pigeon | heh |
| 23:12.18 | dc_ | and rule the world... |
| 23:12.26 | pigeon | 9:12 now and I'm still at home. |
| 23:12.33 | pb_ | slacker |
| 23:12.42 | dc_ | then once I've rulled the world... |
| 23:12.43 | pb_ | dc_: sounds like a fine set of plans |
| 23:12.48 | dc_ | I'll consider upgrading X. |
| 23:12.56 | ljp | no joke. rock doves are called pigeons |
| 23:13.03 | dc_ | strange... |
| 23:13.07 | dc_ | night night |
| 23:13.12 | pigeon | pb_: :( |
| 23:13.15 | pigeon | dc_: nite |
| 23:13.42 | dc_ | oyasuminasai |
| 23:13.44 | dc_ | :} |
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