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| 00:01.11 | pigeon | ibot: wb |
| 00:01.12 | | It's great to be back! |
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| 07:49.45 | florian | hi all |
| 07:49.56 | florian | herzi: morning... |
| 08:08.51 | herzi | morning, ja |
| 08:12.20 | florian | herzi: Would you like to tell me the official way to change the wm in gnome2.2? |
| 08:16.36 | herzi | Anwendungen -> Desktop-Einstellungen -> Komplex -> Sitzung: |
| 08:16.50 | herzi | da auch aktuelle sitzung und das restart-zeichen beim WM wegmachen |
| 08:16.57 | herzi | sitzung speichern |
| 08:17.18 | herzi | in der konsole: killall alter_wm; sleep 1; neuer_wm > /dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 08:18.35 | florian | herzi: OK, das ist eine Geschichte die vielleicht noch etwas optimiert werden sollte :-) |
| 08:18.58 | florian | herzi: Thanks... |
| 08:27.38 | andreas_gi | florian: hi, do you use the original ts.conf as in the gpe image for simpad, or did you modify/improved it ? |
| 08:29.26 | florian | andreas_gi: afaik we used the same... |
| 08:31.04 | andreas_gi | florian: does this work four your simpad? - i have some problems with it - i.e. course sometimes moves to one certain point |
| 08:34.45 | florian | andreas_gi: yes, i noticed the same problem, but still had no time to investigate what happens there... |
| 08:35.17 | andreas_gi | ive played last night with it and found a lot better one: |
| 08:35.30 | andreas_gi | module variance xlimit=160 ylimit=160 pthreshold=100 |
| 08:35.30 | andreas_gi | #module dejitter xdelta=10 ydelta=10 pthreshold=350 |
| 08:35.30 | andreas_gi | module linear |
| 08:35.58 | andreas_gi | maybe you want give it a try |
| 08:37.24 | florian | andreas_gi: yep, that's great! |
| 08:37.28 | andreas_gi | :) |
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| 08:38.51 | florian | I hope for some time to do some simpad-optimisations.... |
| 08:38.58 | florian | PaxAnima: hi |
| 08:39.21 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 08:47.50 | herzi | florian: schreib mir doch mal ne mail die mich dran erinnert da mal was zu machen |
| 08:50.35 | florian | herzi: aber sicher doch :-) |
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| 09:53.53 | pb_ | morning! |
| 09:56.57 | florian | pb_: hi |
| 09:57.23 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 09:57.37 | pb_ | This morning I found a SIMpad on my desk :-) |
| 09:57.56 | florian | pb_: cool |
| 09:58.48 | florian | And the iPaq i fund yesterday was still on my desk :-) |
| 09:59.06 | pb_ | Excellent. |
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| 10:45.43 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 10:45.47 | jsmanrique | good morning |
| 10:46.33 | pb_ | hi jsmanrique |
| 10:46.34 | pb_ | hi nilsf |
| 10:47.49 | jsmanrique | my ipaq 3130 has been atracted by the dark side.. it is using OPIE 1.0 now :-) |
| 10:48.02 | jsmanrique | but my 3870 still uses GPE :-) |
| 10:48.18 | pb_ | jsmanrique: aha |
| 10:48.33 | pb_ | I suspect opie is probably a better fit for really small devices at the moment. |
| 10:48.55 | jsmanrique | it works really well |
| 10:49.07 | jsmanrique | I've spent 5 or 10 minutes with it |
| 10:49.40 | florian | What's the size of the bootopie image? |
| 10:50.44 | jsmanrique | 11.5MB more or less |
| 10:50.48 | jsmanrique | not sure |
| 10:52.29 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.59 | nilsf | pb_: Good "morning" :) |
| 10:54.56 | jsmanrique | how goes minimoz? |
| 10:55.00 | jsmanrique | any news about it? |
| 10:57.51 | pb_ | florian: well, I think opie achieves the smaller size at least partly by just shipping fewer programs. iirc, they have no web browser out of the box, for example. |
| 10:58.47 | pb_ | jsmanrique: haven't heard any news. |
| 10:58.59 | pb_ | I think mallum was doing most of the work on minimoz. |
| 10:59.08 | jsmanrique | pb_: I see |
| 10:59.29 | jsmanrique | pb_: and yes, it doesn't have a html browser |
| 10:59.42 | jsmanrique | but drawpad app is fine |
| 10:59.53 | jsmanrique | and it seems to sync with PC |
| 11:00.02 | pb_ | yes, indeed. |
| 11:00.05 | jsmanrique | but it doesn't have teleport i.e. |
| 11:00.18 | jsmanrique | and its calculator is too poor |
| 11:13.10 | pb_ | nilsf: btw, I just received that mail you sent me on Tuesday. I guess gnu.org was running very slowly for some reason. |
| 11:13.49 | jsmanrique | pb_: any idea why power button doesn't work? |
| 11:13.57 | nilsf | pb_: Oh oh :) At least it did not get lost. |
| 11:14.18 | pb_ | jsmanrique: sounds like a keylaunch problem. |
| 11:21.24 | __moray | pb_: X 4.3 is in experimental now, so maybe, following the new sarge release policies, you could upload a new libgpewidget there? |
| 11:22.10 | __moray | (then I could rebuild the new GPE packages I've got against that, etc.) |
| 11:22.33 | __moray | (or, hopefully, not have to rebuild them since it will be compatible, of course) |
| 11:25.22 | florian | hi __moray! |
| 11:25.27 | __moray | hi florian |
| 11:26.59 | pb_ | __moray: good thinking |
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| 11:28.12 | dc_ | yay |
| 11:28.14 | dc_ | hey guys |
| 11:28.18 | dc_ | I'm back. |
| 11:28.31 | jsmanrique | dc_: hi! |
| 11:28.45 | __moray | hi dc_ |
| 11:29.05 | dc_ | and I have my powerbook.. |
| 11:29.17 | dc_ | that's kind of broken... |
| 11:29.55 | __moray | dc_: whoops, what happened to it? |
| 11:30.20 | dc_ | well, to install the airport card you must take of the back per the instruction manual. |
| 11:30.26 | dc_ | which is okay..and it's working. |
| 11:30.40 | pb_ | dc_: hey! welcome back. |
| 11:30.45 | florian | hi dc_ |
| 11:30.49 | dc_ | but there's some problem with the video connection ribbon cable. |
| 11:31.13 | dc_ | so when I screw in the back again, the screen gets all garbled. |
| 11:31.15 | __moray | dc_: sounds unfortunate |
| 11:31.21 | pb_ | dc_: oh dear. |
| 11:31.30 | dc_ | indeed...think I need to follow up my 90 day suppor. |
| 11:31.36 | pb_ | dc_: got your exam results? |
| 11:31.44 | dc_ | not yet. |
| 11:31.56 | dc_ | my school likes to be different... |
| 11:37.21 | dc_ | oh right |
| 11:37.23 | dc_ | got them. |
| 11:37.25 | dc_ | just rang them up |
| 11:40.31 | dc_ | geography c, english lit c, then everything else B. |
| 11:40.34 | dc_ | not that bad. |
| 11:40.40 | florian | :-) |
| 11:41.49 | dc_ | bbl, lunch |
| 11:45.30 | florian | me too :-) |
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| 12:43.40 | florian | re |
| 12:43.54 | pb_ | re |
| 12:44.07 | pb_ | dc_: ah, congratulations |
| 12:48.56 | pigeon | dc_: Wow you're back! |
| 12:49.23 | pigeon | And hi florian, pb_ and all gpers. |
| 12:49.28 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 12:51.29 | __moray | hi pigeon |
| 12:51.38 | pigeon | Hello __moray |
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| 12:52.42 | mithro | hello, anyone alive in here? |
| 12:53.03 | florian | hi pigeon |
| 12:53.22 | florian | mithro: yeah, sure :-) |
| 12:53.22 | pigeon | Heh... it's alive! |
| 12:53.46 | __moray | pb_: he might be trying to trick you, you know |
| 12:54.03 | __moray | pb_: next he'll come out with some hard question and insist you answer it because you've admitted to being here... |
| 12:54.13 | mithro | well i'm going to ask a stupid question :) how does gpe compare to opie? (i'm guessing thats like how does KDE compare to gnome?) |
| 12:54.53 | florian | mithro: yep, quite similar... |
| 12:55.35 | florian | mithro: gpe is based on X and gtk while opie is based on qt and runs on framebuffer. |
| 12:56.10 | mithro | the X base == good + bad :) |
| 12:57.43 | florian | mithro: It makes it nice flexible - especially for compatibility and application development. |
| 12:58.59 | pb_ | __moray: hell, yeah, didn't think of that. |
| 12:59.10 | florian | mithro: At the moment the bootgpe image is a little bit larger than the opie one - but it comes with browser and some not really necessary games. |
| 12:59.51 | mithro | plus i like the gnome icons :) |
| 13:00.45 | florian | I think most gpe icons are designed by the same artists :-) |
| 13:01.12 | mithro | is gpe in buildroot? |
| 13:03.39 | pb_ | no, you'd need to hassle noidd about that. |
| 13:04.19 | florian | afaik not, i think none of the gpe developers is that familiar to the buildroot |
| 13:05.48 | mithro | gpe looks more polished then the Opie screenshots |
| 13:06.14 | mithro | s/gpe/gpe screenshots/ |
| 13:08.35 | florian | :-) |
| 13:09.59 | mithro | less featureful - but impressive non-the-less |
| 13:16.16 | xav | well, the day it has desktop synchronization, it'll be useable :) |
| 13:16.19 | dc_ | pb_: thanks. |
| 13:16.21 | florian | Well yes - most opie applications have more functionality at the moment... |
| 13:16.23 | dc_ | pigeon: yep :] |
| 13:19.09 | dc_ | bbl,l going home. |
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| 13:55.49 | nilsf | pb_: Have you had a chance to look at my clockface problem/code from yesterday? |
| 14:36.50 | pb_ | nilsf: sorry, not yet |
| 14:45.07 | nilsf | pb_: No problem... I was just wondering... |
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| 17:13.32 | teleyinex | hi |
| 17:13.42 | teleyinex | some one uses synce? |
| 17:13.50 | teleyinex | or multisync |
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| 17:56.05 | florian | bbl |
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| 19:25.03 | nilsf | How is one supposed to draw using gtk nowadays? |
| 19:25.19 | nilsf | GtkImage is deprectated, GtkPixmap is too, GtkPreview too, etc... |
| 19:25.43 | pb_ | If you want to render an image that you have as a pixmap, use GtkPixbuf. |
| 19:26.09 | pb_ | If you want to draw arbitrary graphics, use a GtkDrawingArea and call gdk_draw_* functions. |
| 19:26.16 | nilsf | pb_: I need an as simple as possible area to draw some pixels, preferrably line... |
| 19:27.06 | nilsf | gtk_drawing_area_size is deprecated and should not be used in newly-written code ? |
| 19:27.24 | nilsf | Is it just this size function or the whole drawing area? |
| 19:27.25 | pb_ | Yeah, you probably should use gtk_widget_set_usize or something. |
| 19:27.32 | nilsf | Ah... |
| 19:27.35 | pb_ | Just that function. I don't think drawing areas themselves are deprecated. |
| 19:28.14 | pb_ | There's no other way to access that functionality without writing a whole custom widget. (Which isn't impossible: that's what GpeClockFace does, but it's probably overkill for your application.) |
| 19:29.52 | nilsf | gtk_widget_set_usize is deprecated :) |
| 19:30.01 | pb_ | doh! |
| 19:30.08 | nilsf | gtk_widget_set_size_request () is the new ;) |
| 19:30.21 | pb_ | aha. |
| 19:31.24 | nilsf | OK, got an empty space now ;) |
| 19:33.58 | pb_ | Cool :-) |
| 19:43.22 | nilsf | pb_: Better: A black circle, the example from the devhelp page/gtk-doc |
| 20:11.15 | pb_ | Sounds like progress. |
| 20:13.41 | nilsf | pb_: Indeed! I alsoalready got what I wanted, a curve ;) |
| 20:14.01 | nilsf | pb_: Now I need to find out how a slider signals the end of a drag. |
| 20:14.20 | nilsf | pb_: Or rather a scale than a slider... |
| 20:22.24 | pb_ | nilsf: btw, I have (almost) fixed the problem with GpeClockFace in a non-popup. |
| 20:22.36 | nilsf | pb_: Hey cool! |
| 20:22.44 | pb_ | turns out it wasn't properly handling the case where it was allocated a zero-size window initially and then resized to the real dimensions later. |
| 20:23.14 | nilsf | pb_: Oh well... I wouldn't have found that in a year... |
| 20:25.42 | pb_ | I've checked in a patch that seems to improve matters a bit, if you want to play with it. |
| 20:25.54 | nilsf | pb_: Of course, thanks a lot ;) ! |
| 20:26.19 | pb_ | I'm still seeing one bad effect (the inside of the clock's dial turning black) on my desktop. Not sure what's going on there, yet. Again, it seems to work ok in a popup. |
| 20:29.36 | nilsf | :) Strange effects going on ... |
| 20:29.57 | nilsf | CUl8er |
| 20:30.04 | pb_ | nilsf: later |
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| 21:39.47 | florian | re |
| 21:42.08 | pb_ | florian: re |
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| 22:20.59 | dc_ | hey guys |
| 22:21.19 | pb_ | dc_: yo yo yo |
| 22:22.15 | dc_ | I'M back home now |
| 22:22.24 | dc_ | and my 802.11g is workin |
| 22:22.29 | pb_ | yay |
| 22:22.34 | dc_ | and my screen has magicly fixed itself |
| 22:22.41 | pb_ | ah, even better |
| 22:22.53 | dc_ | and I really have to install debian before os X kills ,e |
| 22:22.56 | dc_ | me |
| 22:22.58 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:23.04 | dc_ | this aqua business is getting too much |
| 22:23.13 | pb_ | :-/ |
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| 22:24.28 | pb_ | dc_: had a good time in japan then? |
| 22:24.32 | pb_ | florian_: wb |
| 22:24.41 | dc_ | yeah, great time |
| 22:24.44 | dc_ | food was great. |
| 22:24.53 | dc_ | and I did get to akihabara |
| 22:25.06 | pb_ | ah, sounds cool |
| 22:25.15 | dc_ | and bought some funky apple stuff |
| 22:25.23 | pb_ | I'm planning to go visit tokyo again later in the year. |
| 22:25.29 | pb_ | assuming I can find my passport by then. :-/ |
| 22:25.29 | dc_ | nice |
| 22:25.35 | dc_ | doh.. |
| 22:25.41 | florian_ | i decided to try a workaround for this ts issue... |
| 22:25.57 | pb_ | florian_: aha |
| 22:26.46 | dc_ | hey florian |
| 22:27.25 | florian_ | I found out that - even with different timings - only the/some first value/s after pen_down are wrong. |
| 22:27.59 | andreas_gi | florian_ yes ,have seen this too |
| 22:28.02 | florian_ | maybe some strange behaviour of the hardware - i'll try to ignore them... |
| 22:28.29 | florian_ | dc_: hi ho... how is life back home? |
| 22:29.12 | pb_ | florian_: hm, right. |
| 22:29.26 | pb_ | florian_: keith and I could never quite figure out the switching between WFI mode and sampling mode. |
| 22:29.34 | pb_ | maybe there needs to be an extra delay in there. |
| 22:29.37 | dc_ | nice.. |
| 22:29.41 | dc_ | and home like |
| 22:29.47 | pb_ | that's lucky |
| 22:30.08 | pb_ | it'd surely be bad news if your home wasn't home-like. |
| 22:30.17 | florian_ | :-) |
| 22:30.55 | pb_ | ah, back to just the one florian in the channel |
| 22:31.03 | florian_ | pb_: yeah... this part of the hardware is really strange. |
| 22:32.08 | pb_ | florian_: from what I recall, the "pen down" bit is only valid when the ADC is in WFI mode. so, in order to notice when the user takes the pen away, you need to alternate between WFI and sampling. |
| 22:32.40 | pb_ | you'd kind of hope that the ADC could detect open circuit and report it as 0xffff or something, but that doesn't seem to happen. |
| 22:33.06 | florian_ | pb_: yep, delays at this point... this is another good idea... i think i need to go to kc tomorrow :-) |
| 22:34.22 | florian_ | i'm not sure.. need to look at this doku again... |
| 22:37.17 | florian_ | brb, rebooting |
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| 22:42.20 | florian | re |
| 22:42.59 | florian | aah |
| 22:44.51 | florian | works! |
| 22:45.27 | pb_ | cool |
| 22:45.45 | florian | i was was nearly convinced that PowerPC and IDE would bite each other ;-) |
| 22:45.58 | pb_ | heh |
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| 23:41.20 | pb_ | doh |
| 23:45.37 | florian | eeks |
| 23:45.47 | pb_ | luckily not a very important file. |
| 23:51.11 | pb_ | night |