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| 07:18.26 | florian | good morning |
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| 07:27.19 | Speuler | morning florian |
| 07:28.09 | florian | hi Speuler |
| 07:38.57 | Speuler | oh yes, that was me |
| 07:39.12 | Speuler | thunderstorm has confused several machines |
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| 08:36.15 | florian | hey mallum! |
| 08:37.13 | mallum | hey florian |
| 08:41.55 | florian | gtk_dialog_run makes me crazy! |
| 08:45.01 | mallum | cmarqu_: :-) ! |
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| 08:59.34 | pb_ | morning |
| 09:03.09 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 09:03.17 | florian | brb |
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| 09:37.43 | florian | re |
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| 10:10.39 | florian | Anyona an idea why gtk_dialog_run doesn't return in a multithreaded gt app? |
| 10:11.02 | florian | s/Anyona/Anyone |
| 10:12.47 | pb_ | Are you holding the GTK lock when you call that function? |
| 10:13.07 | pb_ | I'm not sure you can have two threads in g_main() at the same time, though. That might be your problem. |
| 10:15.22 | florian | I do a gdk_threads_enter () before doing this - i'm convinced that i need to do this. |
| 10:20.23 | florian | In gpe-beam i start a thread for send and receive operations. Everything seems to work fine... these threads set labels, open dialogs and so on... |
| 10:33.39 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Oh, did it arrive already? |
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| 10:34.36 | mallum | cmarqu_: yes , many many thanks - I was very suprised |
| 10:34.46 | mallum | cmarqu_: didn't even realise you knew my address |
| 10:35.46 | cmarqu_ | mallum: You know I am from the former East-Germany, we know everything about you :) |
| 10:39.16 | mallum | florian: cmarqu sent me a wedding card |
| 10:39.27 | mallum | :-) |
| 10:41.23 | florian | nice :-) |
| 10:43.09 | cmarqu_ | Babelfish even does a pretty good translation. |
| 10:44.40 | florian | cmarqu_: But i hope you didn't translate the wedding card witn this... ;-) |
| 10:45.18 | cmarqu_ | florian: No, but I tested how Babelfish translates the text on the card into english |
| 10:46.35 | florian | cmarqu_: It may be funny to do this: Translate it to English, from English to an other language and back to German :-) |
| 10:47.01 | cmarqu_ | Yeah :) |
| 10:59.54 | tigert | cmarqu_: try english -> japanese -> english |
| 11:00.02 | tigert | that fscks up the grammar quite |
| 11:02.24 | cmarqu_ | tigert: The don't even have finnish because it's too complicated a language, right? |
| 11:03.01 | mallum | tigert: what country are you from btw ? |
| 11:03.04 | tigert | or nobody in babelfish knows it :) |
| 11:03.07 | tigert | .fi |
| 11:03.46 | cmarqu_ | http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_(language) is very interesting |
| 11:04.21 | mallum | tigert: finland gets quite cold right ? |
| 11:04.30 | tigert | in winter sometimes yea |
| 11:04.35 | tigert | depends a lot where in finland you are |
| 11:04.42 | tigert | in the south it is not that cold really |
| 11:05.05 | mallum | ok |
| 11:05.06 | tigert | and we had +32°C for two weeks just a while ago |
| 11:05.19 | tigert | well, more than two weeks |
| 11:05.29 | tigert | when there was the hot weather |
| 11:05.42 | tigert | now it's 18°C |
| 11:05.49 | tigert | which is nice and comfortable for a change |
| 11:06.23 | mallum | cool |
| 11:09.13 | mallum | I saw this girl I used to live with at uni the other day on TV, a reporter for gmtv |
| 11:09.28 | mallum | it turned out she was an embedded reporter in iraq for 2 months |
| 11:09.30 | mallum | crazy |
| 11:10.33 | florian | huh? |
| 11:11.56 | mallum | florian: hmm I am just thinking alound ;-) |
| 11:12.15 | florian | mallum: yeah, some times strange things happen... |
| 11:23.36 | florian | ok, i think i have vcard-import via infrared running.. |
| 11:25.01 | pb_ | florian: cool! |
| 11:25.15 | pb_ | Now for bluetooth :-) |
| 11:27.09 | cmarqu_ | Hell, my DSL modem developed a heat problem |
| 11:30.29 | florian | pb_: I think first we need to look at the import tool - i don't have many on the data fields if the vcard in my contacts :-/ |
| 11:31.12 | florian | cmarqu_: Where are you? Here the heat is no problem anymore... |
| 11:31.27 | cmarqu_ | florian: Don't know how this happens now... |
| 11:31.43 | cmarqu_ | Anyway, I'm off for the rest of the weekend. Have fun. |
| 11:34.53 | florian | cmarqu_: Yeah - you too! |
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| 11:37.44 | pb_ | florian: Ah. |
| 11:38.23 | Speuler | g'day |
| 11:43.14 | pb_ | hi Speuler |
| 11:43.27 | Speuler | greetings pb |
| 11:44.01 | Speuler | i noticed that the 3970 charges, even if the os is not running. that's normal ? |
| 11:44.33 | Speuler | (thought that running the os was required) |
| 11:50.12 | florian | pb_: vcard-import showed me the data fields of the vcard on console... but only name made it to the database. |
| 11:50.45 | florian | pb_: what does vcard-normalize? |
| 11:54.03 | tigert | florian: I have a present for you |
| 11:54.19 | florian | tigert: |
| 11:54.34 | florian | tigert: cool, what is it? :-) |
| 11:55.40 | tigert | http://ooo.ximian.com/packages/ooo-icons-RC3-2.tar.gz |
| 11:55.59 | tigert | those are BMP though |
| 11:56.04 | tigert | but they seem to contain alpha |
| 11:56.15 | tigert | I am trying to get you the PNG files instead |
| 11:56.21 | tigert | those are the icons we did for Openoffice |
| 11:56.48 | tigert | so it's basically rouhgly 1400 stock icons in 16x16 and 24x24 |
| 11:56.49 | pb_ | Speuler: charger on 3970 needs to be enabled by the OS, but once it is switched on it will continue to work if the OS is stopped. |
| 11:57.15 | pb_ | florian: not sure what vcard-normalize does. I would guess it reads a vcard into memory and then writes it back out again. |
| 11:57.51 | tigert | florian: I'll try to get you png's though, those have evil filenames |
| 11:58.19 | florian | tigert: yeyks... 1400 - this must have been an enormous pile of work... |
| 11:59.15 | tigert | about 10 months yea :] |
| 11:59.29 | tigert | or I dont even remember |
| 11:59.34 | tigert | but openoffice actually looks nice now |
| 11:59.35 | florian | tigert: but at least for looking what's interesting the bmps are ok... |
| 11:59.39 | tigert | so it was worth it |
| 11:59.47 | tigert | florian: I'll give you pngs |
| 11:59.50 | tigert | since they are named sanely |
| 11:59.52 | florian | tigert: yep, definitely... |
| 12:00.09 | tigert | like stock_database-connect.png etc |
| 12:01.17 | florian | ah, ok - yep, nice... :-)) |
| 12:03.18 | tigert | openoffice has those insane names for them |
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| 12:11.47 | florian | brb |
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| 12:55.40 | florian | re |
| 13:32.38 | nilsf | Oh well... up until kernel hh15 audio mixers are still fine, now compiling hh16... |
| 13:32.59 | florian | ok, we are getting closer :-) |
| 13:38.41 | nilsf | Got it! hh16 broke my mixers! |
| 13:39.03 | nilsf | Staring diff... |
| 13:39.19 | nilsf | s/Staring/Starting |
| 13:41.13 | bobf | Good job :) |
| 13:42.10 | nilsf | Hmm... just 768130 bytes ... not too bad. |
| 13:44.55 | florian | oops, ok... |
| 13:59.04 | nilsf | Mixers are back! |
| 13:59.20 | nilsf | (in hh20 of course :) |
| 14:01.15 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 14:01.19 | pb_ | What was the problem? |
| 14:02.24 | nilsf | It is in uda1341.c but very hidden it seems. I now have to incrementally apply the changes again to which broke it. |
| 14:02.35 | pb_ | Okay. |
| 14:02.36 | nilsf | I think it was in uda1341_configure()... |
| 14:03.43 | nilsf | This is new for example: /* OGS=0,IGS=1,ADC NI, DAC NI ,sngl speed ,Aoffon */ |
| 14:05.42 | florian | nilsf: cool |
| 14:05.48 | nilsf | I have no idea what it means... it is done by l3_write(clnt,UDA1341_STATUS,&buf,1); and unsigned char buf = uda->regs.stat1 | STAT1 ; |
| 14:06.10 | nilsf | Does not look *that* suspicous. |
| 14:06.42 | nilsf | Maybe I should have a look at the uda1341 datasheet again :) |
| 14:13.27 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.46 | florian | (first scap of Oles new handwriting recognition) |
| 14:17.51 | florian | And to avoid questions - this project is not sponsored by Guinness brewery! ;-) |
| 14:18.08 | Speuler | cute |
| 14:20.24 | florian | Hopefully :-) It's still lots of work to do... |
| 14:20.38 | nilsf | ARGH! |
| 14:20.46 | nilsf | pb_: You will not believe this...! |
| 14:21.00 | pb_ | florian: ah, looks very cool! |
| 14:21.05 | pb_ | nilsf: try me :-) |
| 14:21.28 | nilsf | uda1341.c: line 186: // l3_write(clnt, UDA1341_DATA0, buf, p - buf); /* SW.LEE */ |
| 14:21.43 | nilsf | This is all that stopped it. Looks completely unrelated to mixers! |
| 14:21.59 | nilsf | It is inside uda1341_sync. |
| 14:23.23 | pb_ | nilsf: Good grief. |
| 14:23.38 | pb_ | oh, this was from the s3c2410 patch. |
| 14:23.44 | nilsf | Yes. |
| 14:24.30 | nilsf | I don't understand that function at all! I don't see anything that fills buf with data!? |
| 14:24.32 | pb_ | I guess we should revert those changes. |
| 14:25.04 | pb_ | nilsf: this is what the ADD_FIELD() macro does. |
| 14:25.06 | Speuler | is 0.7.1 opie-only ? |
| 14:25.22 | pb_ | Speuler: there are gpe2 and bootstrap images for 0.7.1, but only opie has substantial changes from 0.7. |
| 14:25.38 | Speuler | ah, ok. |
| 14:25.41 | nilsf | AH! This macro really expects an allocated variable named "p" ! Puh! That's UGLY as hell! |
| 14:26.00 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 14:26.34 | nilsf | The the patch from SW.LEE to diable the last write makes no real sense. Why else would you first fill the buffer and then discard it? |
| 14:26.45 | pb_ | Quite. I think those Samsung changes are just wrong. |
| 14:26.52 | nilsf | Hopefully :) |
| 14:26.59 | pb_ | Some of the other parts of that patch (e.g. to not enable the ADC) also look extremely dubious to me. |
| 14:27.07 | Speuler | somehow i manages to demolish my last root image. wouldn't detect any CF anymore, didn't start gpe-dm and some more strange effects. |
| 14:27.48 | nilsf | pb_: But as far as I can tell they also did not do any harm. |
| 14:27.49 | Speuler | no idea which of my actions could have cause that |
| 14:28.00 | pb_ | nilsf: does recording still work? |
| 14:28.14 | nilsf | But I am wondering why they (the Samsung patchers) had to mess in uda1341 at. They have their own sc4...-uda1341 module. |
| 14:28.25 | pb_ | Speuler: gpe-dm has been broken in unstable recently, so if you upgraded from that feed you might have had trouble. |
| 14:28.30 | nilsf | pb_: Good question :) I never use it... I'll try. |
| 14:28.47 | Speuler | i did |
| 14:28.50 | nilsf | Though I have now reverted most of the sc4... patch anyway... |
| 14:29.17 | pb_ | Yeah, I think we should probably revert the whole thing. If the h1940 turns out to need those changes we can worry about that later. |
| 14:30.11 | nilsf | pb_: There is s3c2410-uda1341.c which should do it, or? |
| 14:30.20 | Speuler | touchscreen also didn't work |
| 14:31.04 | pb_ | nilsf: I don't know. That might just be the glue code, similar to h3600-uda1341.c and so on. |
| 14:31.27 | Speuler | weird bleeding effects when moving cursor by keys |
| 14:32.44 | nilsf | pb_: The only "advantage" of the patch is that after first open() of the audio device the volume is set immediately. Now it can take up to 10 seconds until audio finally come up to the set volume... strange. |
| 14:32.59 | nilsf | Yes, sorry, the h3600-uda1341.c is indeed glue. |
| 14:33.49 | nilsf | pb_: OK. Do you want to revert or shall I just change the mixer offending part? |
| 14:34.30 | pb_ | nilsf: I'll revert it for now. If we discover that some parts of the patch were good, we can re-apply them later when we understand what is going on. |
| 14:34.41 | bobf | Yaaay, I got my touchscreen working. |
| 14:34.55 | pb_ | bobf: rock! |
| 14:35.52 | bobf | Got my gtk apps ported, and ts working.. life is going well. (and it's good it started going well now, I'm leaving by August 27th) :p |
| 14:36.29 | nilsf | pb_: OK, thanks! (Not to pressure you, but I'd like to check out a new kernel and would like to have it already in ... so when will you revert?) |
| 14:36.41 | bobf | I'm leaving on a church mission.. they'd be in quite a bind if it wasn't done :p |
| 14:37.16 | pb_ | nilsf: I need to rush to the builder's merchant now, but I'll do it as soon as I get back. Probably 30 minutes. |
| 14:37.56 | nilsf | pb_: Perfect! Superb! |
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| 15:05.25 | florian | mallum: hi... how is an input application added to the input manager? |
| 15:06.22 | mallum | florian: via the .desktop file |
| 15:07.40 | florian | mallum: cool - then i'll look at one of these how it exacty works :-) |
| 15:08.03 | mallum | florian: its just a special key in the .desktop file |
| 15:08.36 | florian | mallum: Very nice... |
| 15:11.29 | florian | ibot: seen dc_? |
| 15:11.30 | | dc_ <~dctanner@q236156.ap.plala.or.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 3d 8h 29m 47s ago, saying: 'and things like underscore and ; don't require a shift'. |
| 15:37.10 | florian | Was gpe-irc a part of gpe release? |
| 15:37.24 | pb_ | I think so, yes. |
| 15:37.46 | nilsf | pb_: Ah, back again :) |
| 15:37.47 | pb_ | Are we missing sources for it? I don't think that program has changed in a while, so the HEAD should match the binaries. |
| 15:37.51 | pb_ | nilsf: Yep, just returned. |
| 15:38.06 | nilsf | pb_: The net is a perfect spying tool :) |
| 15:38.58 | pb_ | nilsf: I have reverted the uda1341 changes. |
| 15:39.35 | nilsf | pb_: Perfect, many thanks! |
| 15:41.35 | florian | pb_: yep, moray did a small cleanup in july... but maybe this effected the Makefile only. |
| 15:42.42 | pb_ | florian: Yes, I think that was part of his big GTK1-removing binge. |
| 15:43.43 | florian | pb_: yep, that's it... just trying to find out what was affected |
| 15:46.05 | pb_ | I think just the makefile, and maybe some code inside #if GTK1 that would have been ignored anyway. |
| 15:46.56 | florian | ok, only Makefile... |
| 15:47.50 | florian | what a nasty job :-/ need to get some food :-) |
| 15:48.11 | pb_ | heh |
| 15:49.26 | bobf | Is there a way to make a gtk window appear in the same place/center of the screen? |
| 15:50.45 | pb_ | You could try gtk_window_set_position. |
| 15:51.14 | bobf | k |
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| 15:58.17 | bobf | If I do ipkg list, I see tip in it, but I can't ipkg download it, and it doesn't show up in ipkg search..? |
| 16:00.51 | bobf | nvm.. dl'd it from ipkgfind.hh.org and installed it |
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| 16:20.50 | florian | re |
| 16:22.48 | mallum | Ok people, I now go offline for 3 weeks :-) |
| 16:23.51 | nilsf | mallum: Well then! |
| 16:23.54 | florian | mallum: have fun :-) |
| 16:24.04 | nilsf | mallum: Have the best time of all, enjoy, have fun! |
| 16:24.14 | nilsf | mallum: Best wishes from kc ;) |
| 16:24.20 | mallum | :-) |
| 16:24.36 | florian | wee... nilsf is faster than me ;-) |
| 16:24.46 | mallum | check http://www.sidske.com/wedding monday, hopefully there'll be some picts there if my plans work |
| 16:24.57 | nilsf | :)) Sure! |
| 16:25.16 | florian | yeah, cool.... |
| 16:25.48 | florian | Any volunteers to write a news-story for handhelds.org? ;-) |
| 16:25.52 | mallum | ok, happy hacking :-) |
| 16:27.26 | florian | sure... we are doing our best :-) |
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| 16:29.01 | mccarthy | hi all |
| 16:29.09 | mccarthy | long time no see and all that |
| 16:29.30 | florian | mccarthy: hi |
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| 16:40.54 | florian | pb_: From gpe-lights control, looks like a bug: "Replaces: gpe-lights22" |
| 16:45.21 | mccarthy | what task package are all the bluetooth stuff in?! I would love to erase it (since I have to erase ti every upgrade to make space anyqay!) |
| 16:48.55 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.21 | florian | I'm not sure if removing of task-bluez works... |
| 17:04.51 | bobf | thanks, I wanted to axe my bluetooth too :) |
| 17:07.30 | bobf | Is it possible to run an x-terminal-emulator with another command to run once it starts? |
| 17:08.05 | bobf | (i.e. xterm's -e switch) |
| 17:08.26 | bobf | Oh.. duh, I see it has -e too. Just last on the switch list |
| 17:09.01 | florian | yep, it's a link to /usr/bin/rxvt-aa |
| 17:16.43 | florian | bbl+ |
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| 17:26.12 | paul | heyho.. |
| 17:31.05 | pb_ | mccarthy: I think gpe-bluetooth is recommended by gpe-apps2, but you should be able to remove it manually. |
| 17:31.28 | pb_ | With the latest versions of ipkg and gpe-apps2, it shouldn't come back on upgrades any longer. |
| 17:34.48 | mccarthy | pb_: ok. it seems to always come back on me, but I gues the "latest" part may make a diff :) |
| 17:35.59 | paul | pb_: hiya pb |
| 17:36.24 | paul | pb_: i have a bluetooth phone that seems to crash gpe-bluetooth's 'devices...' function. |
| 17:36.41 | paul | pb_: also, gpe-login doesnt read ~/.gpe/locale anymore. |
| 17:37.21 | pb_ | paul: ah. I did make some changes to the locale stuff, maybe I broke it. |
| 17:37.35 | paul | pb_: yes, i'm diffing at the moment :) |
| 17:37.38 | pb_ | paul: your phone is a 6310? |
| 17:37.43 | paul | pb_: 6310i |
| 17:37.54 | pb_ | yeah, that's the same one I have. I wonder why yours causes the crash. |
| 17:38.51 | paul | pb_: well, the only thing i can think of is that i have a prepaid SIM in it. |
| 17:38.59 | paul | pb_: most 6310 users wouldnt. |
| 17:39.07 | paul | either that or its a duff phone. |
| 17:39.18 | pb_ | Does it work OK if you do sdptool browse at the command line? |
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| 17:41.34 | paul | pb_: i get: |
| 17:41.36 | mccarthy | what does this mean: |
| 17:41.36 | paul | Failed to connect to SDP server on 00:60:57:73:D8:6B: Connection timed out |
| 17:41.38 | mccarthy | here is some problem causing automatic detection of subpixel order to be broken |
| 17:41.46 | mccarthy | in the release notes? |
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| 17:41.51 | reenoo | hi |
| 17:42.17 | pb_ | paul: oh, hm. |
| 17:42.33 | pb_ | that's your phone's address, presumably. |
| 17:42.46 | paul | yes |
| 17:42.51 | pb_ | mccarthy: the Xserver can't figure out for itself how the subpixels on the LCD are arranged, which is needed for best font rendering. |
| 17:43.21 | pb_ | actually, I think the release notes are incorrect. The server knows what the ordering is (because the startup scripts tell it): it just doesn't seem to do anything with that information. |
| 17:43.52 | mccarthy | pb_: so what are *we* supposed to do? |
| 17:44.36 | pb_ | mccarthy: not sure. I guess you should ask jg. |
| 17:50.33 | bobf | Is there an easy way to make the x screensaver *not* count the first touch on a touchscreen as a real touch? |
| 17:51.34 | bobf | (i.e. you could be activating something on the screen when all you want to do is bring it out of screensaver mode) |
| 17:52.48 | jg | bobf: anything is possible in software.... |
| 17:56.47 | paul | pb_: why move the setenv of LANG out of setlocale()? |
| 17:57.02 | nilsf | Hmm... ashaming to ask ... but is there some explanation about the new ipkg building process? It is some time ago aince I built my last package :) |
| 17:57.15 | bobf | jg: What file[s] would I be looking at to modify for that? |
| 17:57.27 | nilsf | How does e.g. a source line look like? |
| 17:58.18 | pb_ | paul: I think just because it serves no purpose there. |
| 17:58.32 | jg | bobf: I'd have to go digging for it. Basically, the X server gets an event and turns on the screen again; that is where you'd eat the event. |
| 17:58.43 | bobf | Okie dokie. |
| 17:58.53 | bobf | I'll poke around, thanks. |
| 17:59.58 | bobf | (FYI, if you're curious why it matters - the US Navy uses it to launch tomahawk missles.. nobody wants a missle launched by an inadvertent touch to bring it out of screen saver mode ;) |
| 18:02.11 | jg | bobf: that's a scary thought... |
| 18:02.23 | paul | pb_: sure? you had it to add it back in in a later commit. :) |
| 18:02.27 | mccarthy | oops |
| 18:02.33 | jg | bobf: how many iPAQ's does the Navy use running Linux? |
| 18:02.40 | mccarthy | ipkg update;ipkg upgrade and now I cannot log in!! |
| 18:02.42 | pb_ | paul: I did? Oh. |
| 18:02.43 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:02.49 | paul | pb_: however, instead of adding it back to setlocale() - you put the setenv directly into do_login. |
| 18:02.55 | bobf | jg: None that I know of. ;) |
| 18:02.55 | mccarthy | pb_: any breakage of gpe-login lately :) |
| 18:03.05 | pb_ | paul: oh, right, yeah. It needs to go somewhere, obviously. |
| 18:03.34 | paul | pb_: setlocale()? :) |
| 18:03.54 | pb_ | paul: the only use of $LANG is to pass to the session, do do_login seems like the right place. |
| 18:03.58 | pb_ | s/do/so/ |
| 18:04.21 | jg | bobf: how many will they use if we make this change then? |
| 18:06.44 | paul | pb_: yes, but locale_set (not setlocale sorry) is called by locale_try_user() if the user has an item. |
| 18:06.50 | nilsf | Grmpf... What does "No Source: field in control file" mean when trying "make ipkg"? |
| 18:07.04 | paul | pb_: so when you removed locale_set from do_login() -> yes extraneous. |
| 18:07.17 | paul | pb_: but then by removing the setenv... |
| 18:07.22 | bobf | No more than before. ;) |
| 18:07.54 | paul | pb_: possibly what was wrong was that locale_set was not being called if the user had no locale preference? |
| 18:08.44 | bobf | jg: But they use our product in every ship with a "bridge", afaik. We had been using NCD x-terminals for the last X (~8-12?) years. We've redesigned the product around an Applied Data Systems' AGX now. |
| 18:09.16 | jg | bobf: cool. |
| 18:10.26 | bobf | So instead of running some crap NCD software, we're using Familiar/GPE as a base, mainly because it had GTK. We're not using any of the real GPE stuff.. just Tiny-X with GTK for some GUI stuff. |
| 18:10.46 | jg | bobf: seems appropriate for a dedicated application... |
| 18:10.51 | bobf | *nod* |
| 18:11.20 | jg | bobf: I don't think I want a bored seaman tempted to play tetris rather than pay attention ;-) |
| 18:12.13 | bobf | Basically, there's an HP server which sends their X application to the terminals.. for every "Bridge" there are at least two units (maybe more, I've never seen them in action) |
| 18:12.45 | jg | bobf: I was asking about the volumes as we're again in the periodic "what to do about Linux on iPAQ" discussions, and volume numbers and consulting/integration opportunities are what will help make the case... |
| 18:12.56 | nilsf | I finally made it myself :) |
| 18:13.01 | mccarthy | I dont know who has been monkeying with the depmod package, but I have had tons of trouble with this move :( |
| 18:13.04 | nilsf | New gpe-mixer package 0.30 is in unstable... |
| 18:13.08 | bobf | We'll be shipping 500 a year minimum. |
| 18:13.21 | jg | bobf: sounds good. What's the name of your company? |
| 18:13.38 | bobf | Daisy Data, Inc. (www.daisydata.com) |
| 18:14.42 | bobf | We had the same problem with the X server in the old NCD stuff.. and it was a big annoyance for the Navy, apparently. Trying to fix it now, since it should be easy enough to fix. With the NCD software, who knows :) |
| 18:15.10 | bobf | xrandr is letting us do on the fly rotation between portrait/landscape, instead of having two models, just because of how we formerly had to program the flash. |
| 18:15.49 | mccarthy | DAMN! what the hell is wrong with my login :( (no errors on the console or anything!) |
| 18:15.57 | jg | bobf: well, you'll still be using Keithp's bits, either way :-). |
| 18:16.02 | bobf | Yep. |
| 18:16.13 | jg | bobf: but as keithp works for us these days rather than NCD.... |
| 18:16.32 | bobf | And we've cut costs by 70% with the AGX/Linux, from our former NCD-based product. |
| 18:17.08 | bobf | How's that for a Linux success story? ;) |
| 18:22.50 | jg | bobf: there are good reasons keithp doesn't work at NCD any more. |
| 18:24.50 | paul | mccarthy: try setting the language |
| 18:24.57 | paul | mccarthy: or remove ~/.gpe/locale |
| 18:25.20 | paul | mccarthy: actually you will have to remove ~/.gpe/locale - the format changed. |
| 18:26.05 | mccarthy | paul: thanks (I had other troubles too, but Ill skirt that one :) |
| 18:27.16 | paul | mccarthy: if you set the language that should work too, i think. (but removing the file definitely will work) |
| 18:27.38 | mccarthy | paul: how do I set the language (removing file didnt help) |
| 18:27.49 | paul | mccarthy: the language menu? |
| 18:28.06 | bobf | keithp used to work at NCD? I bet the guys here knew him. |
| 18:28.19 | paul | mccarthy: the symptom is - you login, it seems to work, but screens stays black and eventually back to gpe-login? |
| 18:28.21 | mccarthy | paul: oh, well how does one *not* set the language then?! (english was already chosen by default) |
| 18:28.38 | mccarthy | paul: yep |
| 18:28.40 | paul | mccarthy: 'English' == no language set, use 'English' as default. |
| 18:28.50 | paul | mccarthy: pick English (US) or somesuch. |
| 18:30.06 | bobf | jg: I'm sure we're one of NCD's only remaining customers at this point.. and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why. $650 for a crappy x-terminal vs. $300 for a more powerful cpu/higher memory, single board computer you can run Linux on - or embedded XP if that's what you want. |
| 18:30.26 | paul | mccarthy: or just: echo en > ~/.gpe/locale |
| 18:31.00 | jg | bobf: heh... Hopefully you won't be a customer much longer... I see no reason to subsidize losers like that. |
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| 18:37.55 | bobf | jg: Not much longer indeed.. this will replace that for the Navy, and we have an x86 SBC for other customers that want a network computer. |
| 18:38.32 | jg | bobf: so did you roll your own pda design, or license the iPAQ's? |
| 18:39.29 | bobf | We're using an Applied Data Systems' AGX, it's a PXA250 Xscale. |
| 18:39.54 | jg | bobf: I guess I should ask them... |
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| 18:40.08 | bobf | It's a PXA250 based board, I don't know. :) |
| 18:40.45 | bobf | They make the Bitsy, Bitsy+, Graphics Client, GC+, AGC, and now the AGX.. SA1100 and PXA250 stuff. |
| 18:42.37 | bobf | We put the AGX into the same mechanical packaging as our former NCD board. Basically, it's a 10.4 lcd @ 640x480, touch screen, and a couple buttons for OSD controls. |
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| 18:49.16 | mccarthy | paul: no go |
| 18:50.02 | paul | mccarthy: hmm.. i dont know so. you'll have to nag pb_ - he broke it :) |
| 18:51.29 | mccarthy | wow |
| 18:51.45 | bobf | jg: Don't suppose you work in the same building as Keith and could ask him where I'd look for the tiny-x screensaver/blanking code? |
| 18:51.55 | mccarthy | I get a crazy recurring /mnt/ramdisk/home/mccarthy/mccarthy/mccarthy... when I try to login! |
| 18:52.51 | jg | roughly in hw/kdrive/linux, I suspect. I'm taking the day off today, and so don't want to rummage around more about it before Monday at earliest. |
| 18:53.14 | bobf | np. |
| 18:53.37 | mccarthy | ok. its a symlink to itself! that cant be right.... |
| 18:53.59 | paul | mccarthy: ah yes |
| 18:55.07 | bobf | Enjoy your day off. :) |
| 18:55.49 | jg | bobf: Catching up on chores... |
| 18:56.09 | mccarthy | I also get xstroke annoying me when I try to login :( |
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| 18:57.54 | mccarthy | paul: I down-dated (reverted :) to 0.57 and can log in now... |
| 18:58.01 | mccarthy | (without any locale stuff) |
| 19:05.32 | bobf | keithp pointed me in the right direction - mi/mieq.c |
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| 19:13.57 | pb_ | re |
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| 19:20.00 | mccarthy | pb_: I am having some gpe-login issues |
| 19:20.17 | mccarthy | pb_: I managed to work around them by installing an older version.... |
| 19:20.30 | mccarthy | but thats not terribly satisfying now is it? |
| 19:22.23 | bobf | For some reason, I need to run xcalibrate every time i reboot.. that isn't normal, is it? |
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| 20:21.44 | paul | hi pb |
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| 20:24.38 | pb_ | hi paul |
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| 21:25.17 | florian | r |
| 21:25.19 | florian | e |
| 21:27.04 | pb_ | florian: h |
| 21:27.04 | pb_ | i |
| 21:30.30 | florian | w |
| 21:30.31 | florian | e |
| 21:30.31 | florian | l |
| 21:30.46 | florian | let's change the direction ;-) |
| 21:31.11 | pb_ | :-) |
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| 22:23.35 | florian | pb_: I created some more source packages... but i'm not sure if gpe-login or gpe-login2 is the correct package. |
| 22:23.57 | pb_ | florian: oh, didn't I already do source for gpe-login? |
| 22:24.01 | pb_ | if not, I'll take care of that shortly. |
| 22:24.54 | florian | pb_: yep, you did - i just noticed we have these two packages in and i was not sure which one is the correct. |
| 22:25.05 | pb_ | florian: oh, right. gpe-login2 is correct. |
| 22:25.15 | pb_ | gpe-login is the old one. if we have that binary, it should be deleted. |
| 22:25.47 | florian | ok |
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| 22:26.23 | florian | ok, next is gpe-mixer... |
| 22:26.37 | pb_ | That should be easy. You can blame Nils :-) |
| 22:27.06 | florian | btw. how to make cvs show all tags for a file? |
| 22:27.36 | pb_ | cvs log shows them. |
| 22:28.32 | florian | hmm... ok, complex it is... |
| 22:31.58 | flypiper | pb_: X still locks up on my winder... gonna poke it some more tonight :) |
| 22:32.37 | florian | 2004-04-19 Nils Faerber <nils@kernelconcepts.de> |
| 22:32.37 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.21 | florian | well... a small change in future ;-) |
| 22:33.46 | pb_ | flypiper: ah, right. |
| 22:41.56 | florian | Hmm, we have a version of gpe-othello on feed we don't have in cvs... or at least not it's control... |
| 22:42.05 | pb_ | Ah. That's mccarthyware. |
| 22:42.16 | pb_ | Probably best to send him mail. |
| 22:42.33 | florian | yep, ok |
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| 23:12.15 | pigeon | morning everyone |
| 23:13.00 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 23:13.09 | pigeon | pb_: Yo! |
| 23:14.08 | florian | pigeon: hi |
| 23:14.21 | pigeon | pb_: Hmm I'm wondering, how'd one develop a gpe app that needs to read/write other gpe apps' data, like gpe-contacts? |
| 23:14.32 | pigeon | hey hey florian |
| 23:14.45 | pb_ | pigeon: multiple applications can have the sqlite database open at once. |
| 23:15.08 | pigeon | So basically just read others' data. |
| 23:15.20 | pigeon | What about ipc then? |
| 23:15.22 | pb_ | yep |
| 23:15.31 | pb_ | We don't really have any ipc at present. |
| 23:15.39 | pigeon | Hmm... right... |
| 23:16.05 | pigeon | I might start hacking together a gpe-phone app soon. |
| 23:17.31 | florian | pigeon: yeah, cool - i'm sure i'll contribute if you do... i wanted to start one of my own... but you know "time"... |
| 23:17.32 | pb_ | That'd be cool. |
| 23:17.50 | pb_ | pigeon: I wonder if there would be any mileage in integrating it with linphone. |
| 23:18.58 | pigeon | Hmm interesting... haven't seen linphone actually. |
| 23:19.05 | florian | Maybe we should split contacts to a front- and backend. To have only one contacts database lib to maintain. |
| 23:19.18 | pb_ | That might make sense. We already did that for calendar and todo. |
| 23:19.49 | pigeon | pb_: http://www.fluffyspider.com.au/products/fp/fp.html |
| 23:19.54 | florian | yep - i think this shouldn't be that much work... |
| 23:19.56 | pigeon | pb_: At the bottom. |
| 23:20.51 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 23:20.51 | pigeon | pb_: Ah... supporting ip phone sounds cool too. |
| 23:21.48 | florian | yeah, really... |
| 23:21.52 | pb_ | I've been tempted to add linphone to the bootgpe2 images, but I suspect 16MB users would complain. |
| 23:22.24 | pigeon | Hehe |
| 23:22.28 | florian | Do we have a linphone ipk? |
| 23:22.34 | pb_ | Yes, in unstable. |
| 23:22.40 | pigeon | pb_: That is my gf btw :)))) |
| 23:22.47 | pb_ | pigeon: :-) |
| 23:23.07 | florian | Nice... will look at it.... |
| 23:23.17 | pigeon | I was wondering maybe I can start with porting that to gpe, ie gtk2. |
| 23:23.28 | pigeon | With some changes in the interface. |
| 23:23.29 | florian | Ah, my Powerstack has finished it's kernel... |
| 23:23.34 | pb_ | pigeon: sounds like a good idea. |
| 23:24.16 | pigeon | I wrote that with evas, making it into gtk2 shouldn't be too tricky. |
| 23:24.52 | pigeon | The only thing is the backend. I'd like to have one which allows other apps to talk to it. |
| 23:25.15 | pigeon | (I was concerning more on a gsm phone, rather than ip phone) |
| 23:25.57 | pb_ | Yeah. I think we should probably have one unified frontend for all kinds of telephony. |
| 23:26.08 | pigeon | i don't think there're much people got the gsm gprs sleeve for the ipaq though. |
| 23:26.16 | pigeon | I'm dreaming of gpe on the xda soon |
| 23:26.19 | pigeon | ;) |
| 23:26.29 | florian | yep, but a solution that supports "phone" in general would be nice for usability... |
| 23:26.34 | florian | :-) |
| 23:26.41 | pb_ | Yeah. I have a gsm PC card somewhere, but no software to drive it. |
| 23:27.34 | pigeon | Tried gammu? |
| 23:27.39 | florian | Cool, is this a serial device that acts like a modem? |
| 23:27.56 | pb_ | florian: I think so, yeah. I never really tried to do anything with it. |
| 23:28.02 | pigeon | That app I wrote uses gammu at the moment. |
| 23:28.15 | pigeon | Not too bad, but somehow I don't like the complexity of it. |
| 23:28.19 | pb_ | Right. Maybe I'll have a play with gammu. |
| 23:28.51 | pigeon | But the thing is it doesn't really make sense to start another gsm modem lib. |
| 23:29.09 | pigeon | Might just get gammu into gpe along with gpe phone apps. |
| 23:29.22 | pigeon | A generic phone interface sounds great. |
| 23:29.39 | pigeon | Or a conferencing interface even. |
| 23:30.01 | pigeon | Just in case when we get to video conferencing in the future. |
| 23:31.19 | pb_ | Yep. I'd like to start trying out videoconferencing. |
| 23:31.37 | florian | I think jamey is able to tell you something about this... |
| 23:32.11 | pb_ | We are going to try to use something like linphone for the handhelds.org weekly conference calls in future. Jamey is setting up the infrastructure for that. |
| 23:33.32 | florian | This would be cool :-) |
| 23:34.00 | pb_ | For some reason the microphone on my PC doesn't work though, so the calls could be frustrating for me. |
| 23:36.18 | pigeon | nite pb_ |