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| 06:20.11 | florian | hi all |
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| 06:29.00 | florian | re |
| 06:29.33 | AMC | :) |
| 06:30.23 | AMC | Question ? |
| 06:30.36 | AMC | florian: ? |
| 06:32.31 | florian | AMC: Yes?! |
| 06:33.38 | AMC | You have a question ? |
| 06:34.11 | florian | AMC: No, why - what are you thinking about? |
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| 06:35.26 | AMC | About your previous "hello" :) |
| 06:36.21 | AMC | I have one now... do you know if it can be easy to use Opie and GPE on the same iPaq. |
| 06:36.47 | florian | AMC: Ah no... i needed to kill my X session because of some mouse problems... |
| 06:37.19 | AMC | I am talking about running an unique environnement to be able to run GTK and QT apps |
| 06:37.44 | florian | AMC: Easy afaik not - but i think it should be possible. at least if you have an iPaq with >= 32mb flash... |
| 06:38.35 | florian | AMC: This is maybe easier - i heard about an app that makes it possible to run this opie stuff in X |
| 06:38.41 | AMC | iPaq 3870 so 32Mo. A solution using VNC? |
| 06:39.41 | florian | I'm not shure - i think this VNC solution was for the different direction and not really efficient... |
| 06:40.21 | florian | I think nelson talked about it some time ago.. but i'm really not sure. |
| 06:40.53 | florian | mallum may know about this too.. |
| 06:47.22 | AMC | I will ask them this question. Thank for the info |
| 06:48.22 | florian | sure :-) |
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| 07:02.31 | dc_ | hey |
| 07:04.00 | florian | hi dc_ |
| 07:04.13 | dc_ | hey florian, going good? |
| 07:04.51 | pigeon | dc_: Cool. |
| 07:04.53 | florian | dc_: yep - lots of work... but yes - i'm fine :-) |
| 07:05.25 | dc_ | hehe |
| 07:06.31 | dc_ | pigeon: I've also ordered and external kb/mouse and upgraded the ram... |
| 07:06.46 | dc_ | next stop is a nice tft for a dual screen setup ;-) |
| 07:06.54 | pigeon | dc_: You're rich ;) |
| 07:07.38 | dc_ | I have a job ;-D |
| 07:08.19 | pigeon | Well I do too. |
| 07:08.37 | dc_ | pigeon: then you're rich as well. |
| 07:08.45 | pigeon | Heh. |
| 07:08.52 | dc_ | pigeons don't have to buy food either |
| 07:09.04 | pigeon | I'm looking for a pentium 3 motherboard to buy :\ |
| 07:09.24 | dc_ | doh. |
| 07:09.25 | dc_ | not 4? |
| 07:10.18 | pigeon | I figured... I can spend about au160 for a p3 m/b, or spend over au500/600 to upgrade to p4. :\ |
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| 07:36.56 | florian | brb |
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| 07:52.41 | florian | re |
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| 09:03.18 | pb_ | morning |
| 09:04.51 | florian | pb_: hi, morning |
| 09:05.02 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 09:05.45 | pb_ | hm, have we lost our channel topic? |
| 09:10.41 | florian | maybe one of the evil guys at #opie has stolen it ;-) |
| 09:11.03 | florian | But looks like other channels suffer from the same... |
| 09:11.06 | pb_ | heh, those bastards! |
| 09:11.15 | pb_ | actually, it looks like freenode has done a purge of unregistered channels. |
| 09:11.23 | pb_ | maybe I should register this one to avoid a repetition in future. |
| 09:15.10 | florian | a very good idea... |
| 09:23.57 | pb_ | ah, not so easy. You can't register a channel without already being an op. |
| 09:24.11 | pb_ | I'll have to enlist the help of the freenode people, I suppose. |
| 09:32.44 | florian | brb |
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| 09:41.43 | florian_ | oh weee... |
| 09:45.15 | pb_ | heh |
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| 09:52.54 | florian_ | hi PaxAnima |
| 09:53.36 | PaxAnima | hi, florian_ |
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| 10:59.49 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 11:00.22 | mallum | pb_: what are your thoughts on dropping mbmenu's /usr/lib/menu parsing unless explicitly asked for ? |
| 11:07.21 | pb_ | sure, go for it. |
| 11:07.38 | pb_ | I don't think anything in GPE relies on that any more. |
| 11:08.48 | mallum | coolio |
| 11:14.34 | pb_ | oh, btw |
| 11:14.41 | pb_ | Package: mbinputmgr |
| 11:14.41 | pb_ | VMaintainer: mallum@doodoo |
| 11:17.50 | mallum | hehe doh |
| 11:18.10 | pb_ | heh |
| 11:19.04 | mallum | I suspect the cairo packages have that problem too |
| 11:19.22 | pb_ | mm, they look ok. |
| 11:19.30 | pb_ | Package: libcairo1 |
| 11:19.30 | pb_ | Maintainer: mallum@handhelds.org |
| 11:22.13 | mallum | pb_: ah looks like I didn't let my autoipkg script try and guess that there |
| 11:22.53 | pb_ | aha |
| 11:25.44 | pb_ | btw, after "ipkg upgrade" this morning mbdesktop is segfaulting again. |
| 11:27.34 | pb_ | oh, never mind. reinstalling matchbox-common seems to have cleared that up. |
| 11:28.18 | mallum | pb_: yeah matchbox-common now has the elusive missing png |
| 11:29.30 | pb_ | ah right |
| 11:29.49 | pb_ | might be nice for mbdesktop to print a more informative error than "segmentation fault" when that happens :-) |
| 11:30.27 | mallum | pb_: it should do |
| 11:30.56 | mallum | pb_: it should print 'cant load up.png or whatever before the seg', it now exits after that message |
| 11:31.19 | pb_ | ah. it wasn't printing that for me. |
| 11:38.45 | mallum | hmm I have to figure out how to get matchbox to optionally decorate desktop wins |
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| 17:21.21 | mallum | florian: yeah as much space thats wasted by any other window |
| 17:26.51 | florian | mallum: ok, maybe a good idea to allow the user to choose an option... isn't there a possebility to remove the border of the desktop window? |
| 17:27.56 | mallum | florian: yeah by defualt ( for now ) it'll behave how it always has |
| 17:28.09 | mallum | florian: there will be a switch for mb to treat it the other alternate way |
| 17:29.46 | florian | mallum: ok, great... now i only need some time to play with this on the simpad... |
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| 17:46.25 | florian | bbl |
| 18:13.39 | xav | grmbl ... I upgraded to familiar unstable, and now my ipaq is stuck on the GPE logo screen |
| 18:16.16 | xav | strange .. gpe-dm isn't launched |
| 18:25.13 | xav | and when manually launched, after login I have a black screen for 3 seconds, then back to login screen. weird. |
| 18:26.41 | mallum | xav: welcome to unstable :-) |
| 18:28.04 | xav | :-} |
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| 18:45.04 | florian | re |
| 18:46.31 | pb_ | florian: re |
| 18:47.08 | pb_ | xav: check ~/.xsession-errors for clues on your login problem. |
| 18:48.27 | xav | pb_: effectively, there are problems |
| 18:49.24 | xav | Starting sleep daemon: ipaq-sleepmkdir: Cannot create directory `/var/run/no-sleep': Permission denied |
| 18:49.32 | xav | startup-monitor: error while loading shared libraries: libmb.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directoy |
| 18:49.38 | xav | mbdesktop: No such file or directory |
| 18:49.38 | xav | mbdock: No such file or directory |
| 18:49.38 | xav | exec: matchbox: No such file or directory |
| 18:50.30 | xav | but package matchbo is installed |
| 18:50.34 | xav | x |
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| 18:52.37 | mallum | xav: is /usr/bin/matchbox there ? |
| 18:53.16 | xav | /home/xav # ipkg files matchbox |
| 18:53.16 | xav | Package matchbox (1:0.6.3+cvs20030803) is installed on root and has the following files: |
| 18:53.24 | xav | /. |
| 18:53.31 | xav | strange |
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| 18:54.12 | xav | eh, even after removing and reinstalling it, the matchbox package still has no files |
| 18:54.15 | mallum | xav: matchbox is now a virtual package, it should be dependant on libmb1, matchbox-panel etc ... |
| 18:54.37 | xav | mallum: well, when I install it it doesn't pull anything |
| 18:54.52 | mallum | xav: Depends: libmb1, matchbox-common, matchbox-panel, matchbox-desktop, matchbox-wm |
| 18:55.24 | xav | mallum: yes |
| 18:55.27 | xav | but no |
| 18:55.41 | xav | Package: matchbox |
| 18:55.41 | xav | Version: 1:0.6.3+cvs20030803 |
| 18:55.41 | xav | Depends: libmb1, matchbox-common, matchbox-panel, matchbox-desktop, matchbox-wm |
| 18:55.41 | xav | Conflicts: mb-themes, mmenu |
| 18:55.41 | xav | Status: install ok installed |
| 18:55.41 | xav | Architecture: arm |
| 18:55.43 | xav | Installed-Time: 1060019700l |
| 18:56.25 | xav | mallum: in which package is /usr/bin/matchbox ? |
| 18:56.48 | xav | mallum: (all matchbox dependencies seem to be installed) |
| 18:58.30 | xav | ah, that's even stranger: package libmb1 is installed, but there exist no /usr/lib/libmb* |
| 19:00.47 | xav | looks like ipkg is broken |
| 19:01.17 | xav | is there a way to verify all installed packages with ipkg ? |
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| 19:07.34 | florian | ok... this machine _needs_ linux! |
| 19:08.36 | pb_ | florian: which machine is this? |
| 19:08.38 | mallum | xav: hmm, thats really odd - unless I installed a load of borked packages ... |
| 19:09.13 | florian | pb_: the indy |
| 19:09.17 | pb_ | aha |
| 19:10.01 | mallum | xav: nope they seem to have data in them |
| 19:10.25 | florian | There is no free support available for my version of IRIX anymore... |
| 19:10.41 | florian | s/support/update |
| 19:17.57 | xav | mallum: ok, I removed and reinstalled all matchbox-related packages. it seems to work now. |
| 19:19.48 | xav | mmh .. no more french choice at login |
| 19:28.26 | xav | mmh, I do not have the /etc/rc?.d/[SK]??gpe-dm links. could someone tell me where do they belong ? |
| 19:28.34 | xav | please ? |
| 19:29.33 | pb_ | oh, that's strange. gpe-dm postinst should have created them for you. |
| 19:29.42 | pb_ | try running /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gpe-dm.postinst again |
| 19:32.15 | xav | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.32 | xav | I think it sees /etc/init.d/gpe-dm and stops there |
| 19:33.20 | xav | oh wait .. it's effectively in there |
| 19:33.52 | xav | so why isn't it launched ? there must be other corrupted packages |
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| 19:53.02 | xav | mallum: there's something weird with matchbox: when I run the "upgrade manager", if I launch the keyboard the window disappears. |
| 19:53.28 | xav | and when it runs, the window extends to the bottom and hides the panel |
| 19:54.35 | mallum | xav: hmm, sounds like a bug :/ |
| 19:54.59 | mallum | xav: what window dissapears ? |
| 19:55.51 | xav | the upgrade manager |
| 19:55.56 | xav | only the title bar remains |
| 19:56.07 | mallum | xav: can you scap it ? |
| 19:56.13 | xav | but if I run the keyboard first, it works |
| 19:56.16 | xav | scap ? |
| 19:56.43 | xav | ah ok |
| 19:58.54 | xav | what's the command line for scap ? |
| 20:00.37 | mallum | its on the scap page, just cut and paste it |
| 20:00.47 | mallum | or ipkg install scap |
| 20:23.23 | florian | night all |
| 20:24.58 | mallum | xav: is http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12289.png your scap ? |
| 20:28.56 | mallum | xav: ? |
| 20:31.50 | xav | yes |
| 20:32.09 | xav | but I can't reproduce the black-window bug |
| 20:32.32 | mallum | that scap is a bug |
| 20:32.43 | mallum | how can I reproduce ? |
| 20:36.54 | xav | mmh .. launch update manager, then click start, then open the keyboard, then cancel, then close (really) the keyboard |
| 20:38.03 | xav | both bug (this one and the other I can't reproduce) seem to be related to password dialog and keyboard |
| 20:38.12 | mallum | ok |
| 20:38.52 | mallum | it only happens with update manager ? or any thing that pops up the password dialog ? |
| 20:39.08 | mallum | and how are you opening the keyboard ? |
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| 21:01.03 | xav | mallum: it happens with the login setup too |
| 21:01.33 | xav | mallum: I launch the keyboard with the keyboard launcher (I added the icon to the panel) |
| 21:01.50 | xav | BTW, how do I get out of the xstroke mode ? |
| 21:07.58 | mallum | xav: are you running mbinputmgr ? |
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| 21:24.33 | tigert | howdy |
| 21:24.44 | tigert | this is the gpe.handhelds.org channel? |
| 21:25.00 | pb_ | sure is. |
| 21:25.03 | tigert | ok |
| 21:25.15 | tigert | can anyone help me wiht the bootloader upgrade? |
| 21:25.18 | *** topic/#gpe by pb_ -> GPE Palmtop Environment | gpe.handhelds.org |
| 21:25.23 | tigert | I am sending it via minicom's xmodem |
| 21:25.27 | tigert | but it fails in the middle |
| 21:25.39 | pb_ | what version are you upgrading from, and on what machine? |
| 21:25.50 | tigert | hmm |
| 21:25.52 | tigert | interesting |
| 21:25.55 | tigert | now it seems to wrok |
| 21:26.02 | pb_ | ah, heh |
| 21:26.05 | tigert | it gave me "NAK" errors |
| 21:26.08 | tigert | now it completed |
| 21:26.09 | tigert | DOH |
| 21:26.17 | tigert | must be the "join irc to get support" -magic :D |
| 21:26.21 | pb_ | oh right, yeah, that happens sometimes. |
| 21:26.27 | pb_ | it usually works if you just try again, as you found out. |
| 21:26.42 | tigert | yea |
| 21:29.07 | pb_ | moray: ah yes, I was just watching the news. apparently hot weather causes problems for the railways as well, which I hadn't previously been aware of. |
| 21:29.32 | tigert | bootgpe2-v0.7-h3600.jffs2 |
| 21:29.35 | tigert | hmm |
| 21:29.44 | tigert | is this what one should use these days? |
| 21:29.49 | moray | pb_: well, it was interesting at Peterborough watching trains vanish from the departures screen as their (delayed) times grew closer |
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| 21:31.57 | pb_ | tigert: yep. or, if you want the very latest, http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/bootgpe2-v07+unstable1b-h3600.jffs2 |
| 21:32.03 | tigert | hm |
| 21:32.07 | tigert | is there mucho new stuff? |
| 21:32.19 | tigert | of course I want the bl33d1nG 3dg3 |
| 21:32.20 | tigert | :) |
| 21:33.00 | pb_ | well, 0.7 was only released about four weeks ago, but it was frozen for a month or so prior to that. So I guess there is a fair amount of new stuff in the unstable image, but it might not all be particularly exciting. |
| 21:33.20 | tigert | that's a 404 |
| 21:33.51 | pb_ | oh, whoops |
| 21:34.04 | tigert | oh found |
| 21:34.09 | tigert | on the dir |
| 21:34.12 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/bootgpe2-0.7+unstable1b-h3600.jffs2 |
| 21:34.13 | pb_ | right |
| 21:34.24 | pb_ | missing '.' and extra 'v', apparently. doh. |
| 21:34.27 | tigert | lemme flash that instead |
| 21:34.54 | pb_ | righto. |
| 21:36.41 | tigert | 75% downloaded |
| 21:39.37 | tigert | ok, pushing it to the serial wire now |
| 21:39.47 | tigert | now it gives no NAK stuff, goody |
| 21:40.18 | pb_ | heh, cool |
| 21:42.26 | tigert | if I want to do some icons or whatever, where should I put them? |
| 21:42.30 | tigert | does gpe have cvs or such? |
| 21:42.41 | pb_ | yeah, I think there are cvs instructions on the website. |
| 21:42.49 | xav | mallum: what's mbinputmgr ? |
| 21:42.57 | tigert | oh ok |
| 21:43.06 | tigert | pb_: thanks, I'll read them |
| 21:43.11 | pb_ | if you already have a handhelds.org account, we can add you to the group with write access to the repository. |
| 21:43.51 | pb_ | anybody can do an anoncvs checkout though. |
| 21:44.24 | tigert | you know, somehow I have this perverse need to mount the 120GB RAID nfs on the ipaq |
| 21:44.25 | mallum | xav: its hopefully a nicer way of managing sofware input methods like the keyboard and xstroke |
| 21:44.45 | tigert | pb_: I dont |
| 21:44.52 | xav | mallum: how do I run that ? |
| 21:45.30 | pb_ | tigert: ok. if you get to the point where you want to check stuff in, let me know and I will create an account for you. |
| 21:45.39 | tigert | pb_: roger, will do that |
| 21:45.53 | tigert | pb_: probably not yet, I want to poke around the thing a bit |
| 21:45.56 | xav | mallum: ok, nice |
| 21:45.58 | tigert | but I might end up hacking on some icons |
| 21:46.01 | pb_ | tigert: cool |
| 21:46.09 | mallum | tigert: that would rock |
| 21:46.17 | tigert | I mean, *cough* I got this ipaq from Jim so... :) |
| 21:46.25 | tigert | I sorta should do a bit |
| 21:46.27 | pb_ | heh, right |
| 21:46.27 | xav | mallum: but, that means I can't have keyboard+xstroke at the same time anymore ? |
| 21:46.31 | tigert | but when I get time, I'll try |
| 21:46.35 | mallum | xav: I think xstroke, xkbd are maybe a bit broken without it currently |
| 21:46.56 | tigert | but dudes, I am *impressed* with how stuff has got ahead lately |
| 21:47.01 | mallum | tigert: if jg gave you it, Id sell it on ebay and keep the cash ;-) |
| 21:47.03 | tigert | jim showed me gpe in guadec |
| 21:47.07 | tigert | mallum: haha |
| 21:47.26 | tigert | I think he sent me the 16MB version to avoid that =) |
| 21:47.40 | mallum | tigert: what one you have ? |
| 21:47.56 | tigert | um, it's on the other room now, I am flashing it |
| 21:48.00 | tigert | but I think it is a 3600 |
| 21:48.05 | mallum | tigert: he didn't fob you off with a greyscale 3100 I hope ;-) He's always trying to dump them on people .. |
| 21:48.39 | tigert | mallum: heh, the itsy would rule |
| 21:49.01 | tigert | it was such a cool thing then |
| 21:49.13 | tigert | shows that research can end up in real products too |
| 21:49.23 | mallum | tigert: the 3100 has the most awful screen, not cos its grey scale just impossible to see unless in darkness with backlight on :/ |
| 21:49.32 | tigert | 4MB uploaded |
| 21:49.39 | tigert | mallum: :) |
| 21:49.42 | tigert | this is color |
| 21:49.44 | tigert | and pretty ok |
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| 21:49.55 | pb_ | tigert: yeah. shame no production ipaqs have included the accelerometers. |
| 21:49.59 | mallum | tigert: yeah 3600;s are nice |
| 21:50.04 | tigert | pb_: no kidding |
| 21:50.13 | tigert | pb_: marble madness! |
| 21:50.18 | tigert | that would |
| 21:50.21 | tigert | r u l e |
| 21:50.25 | pb_ | h5400 does have an accelerometer interface, but the actual mems component is missing (afaik). |
| 21:50.40 | pb_ | might be a cool thing to put in a cf card though. |
| 21:50.42 | tigert | eek, lilo is busy wallopping today =) |
| 21:50.52 | tigert | pb_: my camera uses smartmedia |
| 21:50.58 | xav | mallum: yeah thanks, it works much better with it |
| 21:50.58 | tigert | those *probably* work |
| 21:51.01 | tigert | I have a reader |
| 21:51.15 | tigert | I couldnt flash the thing from it though, the interface is different from a CF |
| 21:51.27 | mallum | xav: the old way shouldn't mess up that much though :/ I'll look into it |
| 21:51.28 | pb_ | yeah, bootldr can only handle real CF cards. |
| 21:52.00 | pb_ | maybe one day you will be able to flash from SD. that'd certainly be neat. |
| 21:52.59 | tigert | well |
| 21:53.03 | tigert | smartmedia is kinda stupid |
| 21:53.07 | tigert | the sizes lag behind etc |
| 21:53.14 | tigert | but my digicam happens to use it |
| 21:53.20 | pb_ | yeah, I think smartmedia is on the way out. |
| 21:53.29 | tigert | the new cameras have the xD cards |
| 21:53.33 | tigert | that are about thumbnail size |
| 21:54.05 | pb_ | right. |
| 21:59.32 | xav | mmkay. good night everybody |
| 22:00.29 | mallum | xav: g'night |
| 22:00.55 | tigert | night |
| 22:01.04 | tigert | I'll do that too once the upload is done |
| 22:01.14 | tigert | I didnt remember serial cable was this slow :) |
| 22:02.11 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:02.21 | pb_ | fwiw, "set ymodem-g 1" will make it go a bit faster. |
| 22:02.32 | pb_ | maybe I should have mentioned that earlier :-} |
| 22:09.26 | tigert | oh well, it's at 11MB now |
| 22:09.28 | tigert | not that long anymore |
| 22:22.26 | tigert | umm |
| 22:22.28 | tigert | this boots now |
| 22:22.34 | tigert | but I cannot type in the initial user account |
| 22:22.38 | tigert | the "new user" screen |
| 22:22.52 | tigert | ah |
| 22:23.04 | tigert | probably because it booted from the serial console |
| 22:23.12 | pb_ | oh, that's weird. |
| 22:23.17 | pb_ | do you have an on-screen keyboard? |
| 22:23.31 | tigert | yes |
| 22:23.35 | tigert | but I couldnt click |
| 22:23.38 | tigert | lemme reboot it |
| 22:23.48 | tigert | ok |
| 22:23.51 | tigert | now it works |
| 22:23.57 | pb_ | bizarre |
| 22:24.03 | pb_ | oh well |
| 22:27.20 | mallum | pb_: do you have newer mb's in these unstable images ? |
| 22:29.38 | pb_ | newer than what? |
| 22:30.28 | mallum | newer than 0.5 |
| 22:30.40 | pb_ | yeah |
| 22:31.08 | pb_ | certainly the 1b image will have 0.6.something. |
| 22:33.16 | mallum | pb_: okey you probably wanna have something provide a /etc/matchbox/session file, so you can pass a defualt list of apps to mbdock ( if you want different than just mbmenu and minitime ) |
| 22:33.48 | pb_ | ok |
| 22:33.49 | mallum | pb_: there is a --default-apps switch which will guarentee the ordering of apps |
| 22:34.26 | pb_ | ahright |
| 22:34.32 | pb_ | s/hr/h r/ |
| 22:34.44 | mallum | pb_: so the race problem can be avoided |
| 22:35.44 | pb_ | ok |
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