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| 06:15.39 | florian | hi all |
| 06:18.24 | pigeon | hi florian |
| 06:31.44 | florian | ah, cool - someone else alive here :-) |
| 06:31.47 | florian | hi pigeon |
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| 07:09.45 | florian | bbl |
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| 08:32.11 | cmarqu_werk | Hi. |
| 08:34.58 | mallum | hey cmarqu_werk |
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| 09:26.51 | florian | re |
| 09:29.17 | mallum | hey florian |
| 09:29.39 | florian | hi mallum |
| 09:29.49 | mallum | my home network is so wierd |
| 09:38.20 | florian | sounds familiar ;-) |
| 09:40.30 | mallum | maybe if I could remember the IP & username & password of my AP I could fix it :/ |
| 09:41.47 | florian | oops... |
| 09:43.07 | florian | my ap is at 192.168.1.99 - username is "admin"... password... yes, tere was a password... |
| 09:43.20 | florian | s/tere/there |
| 09:44.03 | mallum | yeah I nmaped and found the machine, dont have a cluew what the password is |
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| 10:35.56 | dc_ | hey |
| 10:35.56 | dc_ | hel mallum! |
| 10:38.28 | florian | hi dc_... still alive? ;-) |
| 10:38.52 | dc_ | yep! |
| 10:38.53 | dc_ | in japan |
| 10:38.57 | dc_ | eating great food. |
| 10:39.02 | dc_ | and enjoying the public baths. |
| 10:39.04 | dc_ | yay |
| 10:39.32 | dc_ | I went to try and buy my new laptop yesterday, but they don't sell apples in the local town :-/ |
| 10:40.20 | dc_ | doh, so I'm going to a larger city on saturday |
| 10:40.37 | florian | cool! |
| 10:40.39 | dc_ | it's pretty cool here though...all the shops close at 8pm every day |
| 10:40.49 | florian | ... enjoying earthquakes ;-) |
| 10:40.50 | dc_ | pretyt late compared to england. |
| 10:40.53 | dc_ | oh ged yeah |
| 10:40.54 | dc_ | heh |
| 10:41.11 | dc_ | we felt the aftershock of one a few days ago |
| 10:41.27 | dc_ | and then yesterday we got the start of one. |
| 10:41.54 | florian | :-) |
| 10:41.57 | dc_ | pretty freky when the lights start swining and the coffee in your cup starts rippling,just like in the movies. |
| 10:42.50 | florian | huh... if you enjoy you should think about a trip tp LA ;-) |
| 10:42.51 | dc_ | the weather's not too be either. |
| 10:43.00 | dc_ | although it's not all that hot... |
| 10:43.16 | dc_ | the food is just amaing though :]]]] |
| 10:44.08 | dc_ | おいしい |
| 10:44.15 | dc_ | :} |
| 10:44.53 | dc_ | once I get my laptop I'l have a whole 2 weeks free for coding. |
| 10:45.24 | dc_ | then it's back the england..and back to going some work before college starts :^\ |
| 10:45.29 | dc_ | :-/ |
| 10:47.11 | florian | hey, what do you intend to code?! |
| 10:47.54 | dc_ | first fix gpe-gallery so it doesn't leak so much, and use up so much memory. |
| 10:48.21 | dc_ | then hopefully make gpe-filemanager an file 'manager' |
| 10:49.17 | florian | dc_: both really nice ideas :-) |
| 10:50.36 | dc_ | hehe. |
| 10:55.06 | dc_ | florian: um, you don't happen to have any boxes around that just happen to be connected and have a vnc server install do you :- |
| 10:55.12 | dc_ | ;-] |
| 10:55.24 | dc_ | *installef |
| 10:55.29 | dc_ | *installed |
| 10:55.33 | dc_ | silly jap keyboard. |
| 11:09.35 | florian | :-) |
| 11:10.07 | florian | dc_: yep, you produce some strange looking symbols ;-) |
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| 11:59.06 | dc_ | heh |
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| 14:00.57 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 14:01.10 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 14:07.56 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 14:08.07 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 14:08.20 | mallum | pb_: your post to the xdg list re the help protocol |
| 14:08.54 | mallum | pb_: matchbox supports the KDE_NET_WM_CONTEXT_HELP |
| 14:08.54 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.30 | mallum | pb_: if you add that to your wm protocols, you'll get a help button in the window titlebar and messaged when ever that button is pressed |
| 14:10.04 | pb_ | right, that's interesting to know, but it's not really the functionality I am looking for at the moment. |
| 14:20.42 | mallum | pb_: I think its more or less the same thing but with the app handling the help window rather than something external |
| 14:20.56 | mallum | pb_: is there a problem getting the app to do it itself ? |
| 14:21.44 | pb_ | mallum: seems less desirable for each app to pop up its own help, since you lose a consistent look and this can be a significant complexity in Xlib-based programs that weren't previously providing any UI. |
| 14:22.00 | pb_ | also, using the help button in WM titlebar makes it difficult to provide help for dock applications. |
| 14:24.26 | pb_ | florian: any SIMpad news? |
| 14:28.14 | mallum | pb_: won'y any app using a different toolkit end up with a different look and feel anyway ? or have a misunderstood you ? |
| 14:28.41 | mallum | pb_: I dunno about dock apps however, I guess one would hope they should be simple enough not to need help |
| 14:29.21 | mallum | pb_: macos9 used to do something like this, but iirc that was global rather than context based |
| 14:38.09 | florian | pb_: A working image with some problems depending on the architecture... i think i should create a small wiki page describing the issues and pointing to a download location... |
| 14:40.54 | pb_ | florian: sounds cool |
| 14:41.16 | pb_ | mallum: I think a "what's this?" facility for dockapps is valuable. |
| 14:42.10 | pb_ | on look and feel, yes, obviously applications that use different toolkits are going to look different. However, since help messages are conceptually the same thing in all applications, it would be nice to have them look the same as well. |
| 14:44.32 | mallum | pb_: right , though the counter argument to that is they will look different to the app there providing help for as the help program could be a different toolkit etc |
| 14:45.19 | mallum | pb_: the dock apps situation is a mess imho, it would be better to sort that out first rather than worrying about providing help for them |
| 14:45.50 | pb_ | a mess in what way? |
| 14:48.54 | mallum | pb_: no consistancy in bahaviour, duplicated functionality, add menu unweldly large, dock apps that shouldn't be dock apps, broken apps, no nice way of managing them etc |
| 14:50.38 | pb_ | I think most of those points can be addressed just by trimming down the list of dockapps that we ship as standard. |
| 14:51.10 | pb_ | Consistency in behaviour is a problem, but in fact lack of help is one of the most important areas where I'd like to see more consistency. |
| 14:52.28 | mallum | yeah, trinning down the list would help alot and maybe some sort of spec of what a panle app should do to be included in base gpe |
| 14:53.48 | pb_ | Yes, maybe. I don't have all that much of an idea what to write in such a spec though. |
| 15:04.16 | pb_ | florian: I have not made as much progress as I had hoped with syncing over the last week. I got stuck in a variety of SASL issues. |
| 15:20.12 | florian | pb_: hmm... i think syncing itself is anoter non-trivial thing... maybe this is some additional fun :-) |
| 15:20.25 | florian | s/anoter/another |
| 15:21.28 | pb_ | florian: Yeah. I started writing a multisync plugin, and it doesn't actually seem all that difficult, but until the data transport is working that effort is kind of stalled. |
| 15:23.57 | mallum | pb_: cool :-) |
| 15:25.53 | florian | pb_: eh yes... this is a real problem - is SASL that buggy? |
| 15:27.06 | pb_ | florian: well, I'm not really sure. It does seem fairly buggy, but maybe I am not using it right. |
| 15:27.42 | pb_ | I might have a go with GNU SASL instead. That doesn't support security layers, but I can use GNU TLS directly. (And I never managed to make security layers work properly with Cyrus either.) |
| 15:29.38 | pb_ | One problem with Cyrus, and maybe SASL in general, is that it only seems to negotiate a security layer after authentication, so all the auth stuff happens in clear. Which means you end up using something like the DIGEST-MD5 method rather than PLAIN. The cyrus implementation of DIGEST-MD5 segfaults, and even if it didn't crash I can't figure out exactly how to get the secrets set up right. |
| 15:31.00 | florian | eeh... sounds really funny.... |
| 15:31.04 | pb_ | hm, I should get ready to leave this place. |
| 15:31.07 | mallum | pb_: why are some deb libs named libabc0 and others libcba1 ? |
| 15:32.44 | pb_ | mallum: the package name comes directly from the soname. |
| 15:33.03 | mallum | pb_: okey thats what I thought |
| 15:33.24 | mallum | honest ;-) |
| 15:41.27 | pb_ | hm, teleport doesn't compile any more. I wonder what's up with that |
| 15:46.40 | florian | hmm... and gpe-beams hangs showing this progress dialog :-/ |
| 15:49.07 | pb_ | Oh dear. Sounds like a bad day for GPE all round. |
| 15:50.07 | pb_ | Well, high noon is fast approaching, and I must vacate this room imminently. |
| 15:50.18 | pb_ | I'll be back online from Cambridge tomorrow morning. |
| 15:51.26 | florian | yeah... |
| 15:51.50 | florian | pb_: ok, cu tomorrow.. |
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| 17:47.19 | reenoo | hi |
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| 17:56.42 | mallum | hi |
| 17:58.30 | reenoo | hey mallum |
| 18:03.37 | mallum | reenoo: how goes the gentoo package ? |
| 18:04.45 | florian | bbl |
| 18:07.58 | reenoo | mallum: it works :) |
| 18:09.10 | reenoo | except with the gentoo defaults configure spews this at me: |
| 18:09.17 | reenoo | configure: WARNING: If you wanted to set the --build type, don't use --host. |
| 18:09.17 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.59 | mallum | reenoo: hmm thats odd, what configure args does gentoo use ? |
| 18:16.12 | reenoo | --host=${CHOST} |
| 18:20.24 | mallum | reenoo: hmm, just looks like some odd bogus warning |
| 18:22.11 | reenoo | mallum: so setting the above should be generally ok? |
| 18:23.22 | mallum | reenoo: well I normally on set them kind of flags if Im x-compiling |
| 18:25.19 | reenoo | mallum: so... seems like the gentoo people have got the optimization thing a bit wrong here ;) |
| 18:27.36 | reenoo | mallum: are there any minimum requirements for jpeg, expat and stuff? |
| 18:32.18 | reenoo | apart from fine grained dependencies the ebuilds for Xsettings-client and mb are ready to go |
| 18:34.26 | mallum | if its a 4.3 X server expat should already be on the system ( Xft uses it ) |
| 18:34.44 | mallum | you should probably check libjpeg exists |
| 18:36.44 | reenoo | I have all the dependencies in $DEPEND... portage will check for them... it's just that I haven't specified minimum versions like >=dev-libs/expat-1.95.6-r1 |
| 18:37.08 | mallum | reenoo: oh right, any version should be fine I would have thought |
| 18:37.23 | mallum | reenoo: matchbox only does basic stuff with exapt and libjpeg |
| 18:37.32 | reenoo | ok |
| 18:38.26 | reenoo | I think I'll do some final testing tomorrow... then submit them to bugzilla.gentoo.org |
| 18:41.15 | mallum | coolio |
| 18:42.29 | reenoo | mallum: what do you want to appear as the homepage for Xsettings-client btw? |
| 18:44.04 | mallum | reenoo: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/xsettings/ |
| 18:45.02 | reenoo | ok... that's what I have in the ebuild already :) |
| 18:45.48 | mallum | cool |
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