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| 01:23.18 | mallum | flypiper: hey |
| 01:51.48 | flypiper | mallum: evening |
| 01:53.41 | mallum | flypiper: hey getting a tc1000 ? |
| 01:54.15 | flypiper | yea.. should have it tomorrow :-) |
| 01:54.34 | mallum | :-) |
| 01:54.47 | flypiper | are you running debian unstable on yours ?? |
| 01:54.51 | mallum | yep |
| 01:54.55 | flypiper | kewl |
| 01:55.08 | mallum | though I had to pull the drive out to get debian installed :/ |
| 01:55.28 | mallum | as I couldn't get the debian installer to recognise a usb keyboard |
| 01:55.34 | flypiper | I looked through your notes at:: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/tabletpc/tabletpc-tc1000-debian-notes.txt |
| 01:55.51 | flypiper | did you just drop the HD in a notebook?? |
| 01:56.14 | mallum | I have an adaptor so I can plug a laptop drive in a desktop |
| 01:56.28 | mallum | the drive comes out pretty cleanly |
| 01:56.36 | mallum | easily |
| 01:56.44 | flypiper | ahhh .. |
| 01:57.01 | flypiper | will I need a special kernel to boot it? |
| 01:57.05 | mallum | then I just installed a base debian with a recent kernel and made sure I had hot plug installed |
| 01:57.14 | flypiper | nice |
| 01:57.19 | mallum | I can send you a dpkg of my kernel if you want |
| 01:57.29 | flypiper | sure |
| 01:57.35 | mallum | and my .config |
| 01:57.46 | mallum | nothing too special in the kernel |
| 01:57.50 | flypiper | I wanna get matchbox working on it:) |
| 01:58.14 | mallum | yeah matchbox + gnome2 combo is what I run on it |
| 01:58.30 | flypiper | excellent.. I can't wait to get it |
| 01:58.38 | mallum | tablet XP is worth keeping on there |
| 01:58.45 | mallum | its slow as you like and annoying too |
| 01:58.56 | mallum | but the 'ink' stuff is very cool |
| 01:59.20 | flypiper | hrrmmm I usually don't keep dohs stuff on my boxes very long |
| 01:59.28 | mallum | me niether |
| 01:59.38 | mallum | but its worth playing with tabletxp |
| 01:59.55 | mallum | the recognition stuff is really nice |
| 02:00.07 | flypiper | is it dual bootable.. or not?? |
| 02:00.08 | mallum | and it has this cool 'journal' app |
| 02:00.50 | mallum | yeah, but XP seems to overite grub so everytime I boot into XP I have to boot with rescue cd and regrub to get linux back :( |
| 02:01.05 | mallum | flypiper: oh oh oh also theres this cool app you can get for XP |
| 02:01.17 | mallum | flypiper: but you need m$ office for it to work |
| 02:01.50 | mallum | its from HP ( quicklook iirc ) , it updates the bios with a BSD bootloader that boots of CF !!!! |
| 02:02.05 | flypiper | kewl... |
| 02:02.15 | mallum | it then runs a custom netbsd that reads outlook data !!! |
| 02:02.28 | mallum | but you need office installed for it to copy all the files across |
| 02:02.34 | mallum | to the CF |
| 02:02.40 | flypiper | ahhhhh.. nice |
| 02:02.53 | mallum | I never had office so I never got a chance to inspect them and modify it :-) |
| 02:03.13 | mallum | it would be cool to put a mini linux distro on cf which you could boot instead :-)) |
| 02:03.29 | mallum | so if you have office, pleaase install it |
| 02:03.40 | mallum | hehe |
| 02:03.41 | mallum | # |
| 02:03.48 | flypiper | yea.. that would be sweet.. I will have to play with intimate on it |
| 02:03.50 | mallum | crazy |
| 02:03.55 | mallum | yeah |
| 02:04.12 | mallum | its needs outlook2000 installed to work |
| 02:04.27 | flypiper | I ordered the 512MB-ram and 60M HD model.. is that what you have?? |
| 02:04.39 | mallum | 256/40 iirc or 20 |
| 02:04.47 | mallum | will be better with 512 |
| 02:04.58 | mallum | my girlfriend uses it mostly |
| 02:05.08 | mallum | plays gnome solitare with the pen ! |
| 02:05.08 | flypiper | any problems with wireless on it?? |
| 02:05.18 | mallum | I couldn't get WEP to work |
| 02:05.29 | flypiper | ahh .. yea Im worried my wife will snag it |
| 02:05.29 | mallum | so I never tested it fully |
| 02:05.41 | mallum | just have a wavelan card in it |
| 02:06.49 | flypiper | can't wait to get it... I will have to stay around the office tomorrow, and wait for the fedex dude:) |
| 02:07.08 | mallum | I have an Xvesa tinyX binary you can drop in, its a little slow but then you get rotation on the fly |
| 02:07.28 | flypiper | sweeet.... |
| 02:07.40 | mallum | xkbd needs some tweaking for tabletpc too, there is a very rough tabletpc layout in tarball |
| 02:08.10 | mallum | it soooo hot in UK at the moment |
| 02:08.13 | mallum | cant sleep |
| 02:09.13 | mallum | flypiper: I gonna attempt sleep again now. when you wanna install debian on it, give me a shout - I'll be happy to help |
| 02:09.28 | flypiper | mallum: sure thing.. thanks |
| 02:09.31 | mallum | okey |
| 02:09.34 | mallum | g'night |
| 02:09.38 | flypiper | g'night |
| 02:09.49 | mallum | ps /join #matchbox :-) |
| 02:09.57 | flypiper | OK |
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| 07:09.42 | florian | good morning! |
| 07:09.45 | AntiProxy | morning florian |
| 07:10.23 | florian | eeks... is x509 in debian freeswan broken?! |
| 07:11.23 | AntiProxy | i literally just opened my eyes |
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| 07:26.23 | florian | hi Wooble |
| 07:26.42 | Wooble | hi florian |
| 07:27.10 | Wooble | it looks nice :) |
| 07:29.53 | florian | Ahh, cool... |
| 07:30.15 | florian | I hope we'll finish basic simpad support today :-) |
| 07:30.20 | Wooble | yeah, I had "sold" my network hardware, and was waiting for the new replacements... |
| 07:30.23 | Wooble | they arrived :) |
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| 08:47.01 | florian_ | hi cmarqu_werk |
| 08:50.22 | cmarqu_werk | Hi. |
| 09:02.52 | florian_ | bbl |
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| 09:48.29 | florian | re |
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| 09:59.42 | florian | morning mallum |
| 10:04.42 | mallum | hello florian! |
| 10:04.54 | __moray | morning all |
| 10:05.11 | mallum | hey __moray |
| 10:10.29 | florian | hi __moray |
| 10:21.28 | florian | mallum: How does a XGeometry string look like? =640x480+80+60? |
| 10:23.36 | mallum | florian: yeah that looks right ( no ='s ) |
| 10:24.48 | florian | ahh.. i think i found it... gpe-login is called with a fixed geometry... |
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| 10:50.40 | florian | hey, pb |
| 10:52.03 | pb_ | yo florian |
| 10:52.49 | florian | we need to change gpe-login and gpe-ownerinfo to make support for different screen sizes easier... |
| 10:54.53 | florian | both could try to load their geometry data from config file... |
| 10:56.12 | mallum | can it just work it out from the display size ? |
| 10:56.52 | __moray | that would seem more logical. |
| 10:57.07 | AntiProxy | florian: working on your simpad? |
| 10:57.48 | AntiProxy | how much does a simpad cost? |
| 10:59.12 | florian | AntiProxy: shure :-) |
| 11:00.05 | florian | AntiProxy: Ithey are out of production now... rumors say about 300 EUR for the SL4 and 200 for the smaller ones... |
| 11:02.13 | AntiProxy | if they'r discontinued, is there another product that's replaced them? |
| 11:03.54 | florian | Nope, afaik not... at least nit at Siemens |
| 11:03.59 | florian | s/nit/not |
| 11:04.33 | florian | The original prices were at about 1300 EUR |
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| 11:24.39 | cmarqu_werk | http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPE_Palmtop_Environment |
| 11:44.47 | cmarqu_werk | Is anybody *not* okay with having text from the GPE website in Wikipedia which uses the GFDL for their texts? |
| 11:56.06 | __moray | eek |
| 11:56.37 | __moray | the GFDL is very broken - but if you're only talking about *exporting* text it's probably not a problem |
| 11:57.23 | pb_ | florian: yes, I'm not sure what the best way to deal with this is. Maybe it would be better to have a gpe-ownerinfo library that gpe-login could link against, rather than a standalone binary. |
| 11:58.37 | pb_ | ah, my axim has arrived. |
| 12:01.54 | florian | pb_: i don't think that's necessary - we'd only need to ship two config files for each screen geometry if: |
| 12:02.22 | florian | - we change gpe-ownerinfo to read it's geometry from file |
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| 12:02.51 | florian | - ae change the script that starts it not to pass geometry data in the command line |
| 12:03.01 | florian | s/ae/we |
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| 12:04.02 | florian | cmarqu_werk: it's fine or me... very cool idea! |
| 12:08.28 | pb_ | florian: yep, ok |
| 12:08.48 | pb_ | florian: or of course the script could read the config file and pass geometry on the commandline as it does now |
| 12:11.00 | florian | pb_: yep, ok - another nice option - how to read this line from the file? i don't know much about shell scripting... |
| 12:11.17 | florian | HUH? |
| 12:11.20 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.21 | florian | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/gpe-login-de_0.47_all.ipk |
| 12:11.21 | florian | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/gpe-login2_0.50_arm.ipk |
| 12:11.31 | florian | what's this?! |
| 12:12.04 | florian | installing a local ipk triggers installing another version remote? |
| 12:12.30 | florian | oh, i see... |
| 12:12.35 | florian | (sory) |
| 12:14.18 | mallum | florian: another possible issue with gpe-login is the touchscreen calibration button |
| 12:14.26 | pb_ | yes, this is an ipkg bug. I hoped it was fixed in the very latest version though. |
| 12:14.33 | pb_ | florian: are you using ipkg 0.99.86? |
| 12:14.43 | mallum | pb_: what axim did you get ? |
| 12:17.01 | pb_ | dunno, haven't opened the box yet. |
| 12:17.04 | pb_ | I think it's the 300MHz version. |
| 12:17.53 | mallum | pb_: oh its a donation ? |
| 12:20.08 | florian | mallum: i think this starts a linked script... that should be easy, but a good idea to look at this |
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| 12:20.44 | pb_ | yes, iirc it runs /usr/bin/gpe-xcalibrate.sh or some such |
| 12:20.45 | pb_ | dc_: morning |
| 12:20.50 | dc_ | morning |
| 12:20.52 | dc_ | :] |
| 12:21.14 | dc_ | hopefully I'll finish my work today. |
| 12:21.28 | dc_ | and there's a ?700 cheque waiting for me :D |
| 12:21.37 | pb_ | cool! |
| 12:21.39 | florian | pb_: nope, 0.99.84 but i missed to add "simpad" to ipkgarch.conf |
| 12:21.43 | pb_ | florian: aha |
| 12:21.58 | florian | dc_: hi |
| 12:22.00 | dc_ | oh. hrm |
| 12:22.01 | dc_ | hey florian |
| 12:22.10 | pb_ | dc_: my c750 is enroute as well, should be here tomorrow |
| 12:22.31 | dc_ | if we can add c700 and other z support to the arch in ipkgarch.conf, can we make it use different X packages automaticly? |
| 12:22.35 | dc_ | pb_: w00t :D |
| 12:22.49 | pb_ | dc_: yep, that should work. |
| 12:23.08 | pb_ | ipkg architectures have a priority, so if you set it up right it will prefer zaurus over plain arm. |
| 12:23.08 | florian | i think that's the same like with the simpad |
| 12:23.15 | dc_ | that should me worked on. |
| 12:23.20 | pb_ | indeed |
| 12:23.24 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Is it easy to make gpe-ownerinfo embeddable or a library? |
| 12:23.32 | dc_ | oh, and I may be going to ahikabara infact. |
| 12:23.36 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: Yes, shouldn't be hard. |
| 12:23.38 | pb_ | dc_: oh, cool. |
| 12:23.48 | mallum | florian: Im thinking is a touch and hold for the touchscreen for X seconds to bring up calibration may avoid depending on a button ( differnet machines have different buttons, or maybe no buttons at all ) |
| 12:23.59 | dc_ | bah. needs to find my phone, it's gone walk abouts. |
| 12:24.28 | florian | mallum: yes, this should become a bugfiled against gpe-login :-) |
| 12:24.36 | dc_ | mallum: nice idea. |
| 12:24.48 | dc_ | mallum, cmarqu_werk: morning btw. |
| 12:26.03 | cmarqu_werk | __moray: Yeah, FDL is considered bad, but in Wikipedia, you can and are expected to change everything anyway, so I guess that main gripe against FDL doesn't apply. |
| 12:26.10 | cmarqu_werk | Morning dc_ |
| 12:27.03 | mallum | florian: also theres the case where the machine may not even have a touchscreen |
| 12:27.20 | dc_ | mallum: or any buttons! |
| 12:27.28 | dc_ | maybe it could be a tv. |
| 12:27.34 | dc_ | oh which you have lost the remote. |
| 12:27.38 | dc_ | s/oh/of/ |
| 12:28.24 | mallum | dc_: I have a special version of xkbd I use to control my tv :-) |
| 12:28.35 | dc_ | mallum: doh ;) |
| 12:28.46 | dc_ | mallum: c700? |
| 12:29.13 | mallum | dc_: I run it on 3100, like a super remote |
| 12:29.22 | dc_ | nice. |
| 12:29.37 | cmarqu_werk | Does anybody know the status of 802.11g support in Linux? Apparently, Linksys release the source for their router firmware which should help... |
| 12:29.41 | mallum | fullscreen xkbd, sends remote XTest events |
| 12:30.12 | __moray | cmarqu_werk: it's also more generally problematic that the GFDL is GPL-incompatible |
| 12:30.13 | dc_ | cmarqu_werk: really? where abouts? |
| 12:30.36 | dc_ | mallum: that's very cool. |
| 12:30.59 | __moray | cmarqu_werk: so you can't e.g. include documentation snippets in your comments / in inline help, or include code examples in a GFDL document |
| 12:31.04 | mallum | dc_: I also have a normal remote for it |
| 12:31.12 | dc_ | mallum: what you need in a wifi card and access to the program database, so it can display information about the program you're watching :} |
| 12:31.37 | mallum | dc_: yeah but the media box has no tv grabber |
| 12:31.59 | dc_ | mallum: you running freevo? |
| 12:32.01 | mallum | only one pci slot and the wireless card is in that |
| 12:32.07 | cmarqu_werk | dc_: I just heard somebody mention it at Linuxtag. |
| 12:32.08 | dc_ | mallum: I've recently been having alot of fun wtih it. |
| 12:32.09 | dc_ | mallum: doh |
| 12:32.24 | dc_ | cmarqu_werk: ah, I have one of their g routers. |
| 12:32.31 | dc_ | or rather, the. |
| 12:32.38 | mallum | dc_: no just matchbox & xine : http://handhelds.org/~mallum/mediabox/ |
| 12:32.44 | dc_ | mallum: I'm just working on the tv out for my radeon 7000. |
| 12:33.01 | mallum | dc_: tvout is whack in linux |
| 12:33.42 | dc_ | mallum: does that imply it's easy. or hard? |
| 12:33.57 | dc_ | mallum: I've managed to get it displaying the radeon console. |
| 12:34.16 | dc_ | mallum: but once I start X, it seems to show on the tv, but it's like the refresh rate is all wrong, and it's all over the place |
| 12:34.42 | cmarqu_werk | dc_: http://www.linksys.com/support/gpl.asp |
| 12:35.04 | dc_ | mallum: seen oxine? |
| 12:35.15 | cmarqu_werk | __moray: Hmm, I don't know what Wikipedia thinks of that issue. Would be interesting to find out. |
| 12:36.26 | cmarqu_werk | dc_: http://www.linksys.com/download/firmware.asp?fwid=178 |
| 12:36.58 | dc_ | that'r eally cool |
| 12:37.19 | mallum | dc_: yeah, havn't played with it in a while |
| 12:37.53 | dc_ | it's nice. although freevo rocks my world. |
| 12:38.09 | dc_ | mallum: doh! you need totem movie previews :} |
| 12:38.48 | __moray | dc_: how do those work? or do you just mean the static thumbnails? |
| 12:39.07 | mallum | dc_: yeah totem just uses libxine for that |
| 12:39.15 | dc_ | __moray: the static thumbnails. |
| 12:39.19 | mallum | dc_: pretty easy to add, I have to hack on it some more |
| 12:39.27 | dc_ | mallum: it's cool |
| 12:40.01 | dc_ | althought it would rock if it started playing them move in the preview space when you selected it. but that's when someone has alot of spare time on their hands. |
| 12:40.08 | mallum | dc_: its really on for bittorrented 24 episodes :-) |
| 12:40.31 | dc_ | bt. |
| 12:40.31 | dc_ | heh |
| 12:40.43 | dc_ | my modem upload makes it totaly useless. |
| 12:41.58 | dc_ | my imap inbox is empty..... |
| 12:42.01 | dc_ | m... |
| 12:42.47 | dc_ | haha.... |
| 12:42.52 | dc_ | what a stupid spam filter. |
| 12:43.02 | dc_ | its filtered _all_ my emails in to spam |
| 12:43.06 | dc_ | with to exceptions. |
| 12:43.25 | dc_ | s/to/no/ |
| 12:44.17 | __moray | ha |
| 12:55.04 | dc_ | arg. my phone is somewhere in my room...yet...I can't see it anywhere. |
| 12:55.05 | dc_ | evilness |
| 12:56.35 | dc_ | pb_: oh, did you manage to patch addgroup btw? |
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| 13:41.25 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, made a patch, haven't built a new package yet. will do that in the next hour or so. |
| 13:42.03 | dc_ | pb_: thanks, need to get this working before monday when I'm off to japan :} |
| 13:42.20 | pb_ | dc_: righto. I'm off to Canada on Sunday :-} |
| 13:44.42 | dc_ | ah cool |
| 13:44.43 | dc_ | holiday |
| 13:44.44 | dc_ | ? |
| 13:45.49 | pb_ | ottawa linux symposium |
| 13:45.58 | pb_ | bit of holiday as well. |
| 13:51.31 | pb_ | dc_: btw, which package is it that has trouble with addgroup? |
| 14:00.14 | dc_ | pb_: um, guess it was tinylogin |
| 14:00.28 | pb_ | no, I mean which package was trying to use addgroup --system? |
| 14:00.43 | dc_ | mysql-server from debian :} |
| 14:00.45 | dc_ | heh |
| 14:00.58 | pb_ | ah, heh |
| 14:00.59 | pb_ | right |
| 14:01.17 | dc_ | I can edit the preinst script |
| 14:01.28 | dc_ | what should --system be replaced with? |
| 14:02.11 | pb_ | You can just take it out, it's not a very important option. |
| 14:02.52 | dc_ | ah okay :} |
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| 14:05.44 | pb_ | The patch I made to addgroup would just make it ignore --system; it won't actually do anything with it. |
| 14:06.59 | dc_ | heh |
| 14:07.17 | dc_ | barf. silly ar busybox can't create ar archives. |
| 14:07.42 | pb_ | doh |
| 14:11.51 | dc_ | um. |
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| 14:16.49 | dc_ | pb_: how might I use ar to make a deb ;-\ |
| 14:17.16 | pb_ | dc_: ar c mypackage.deb ./debian-binary ./control.tar.gz ./data.tar.gz |
| 14:17.18 | pb_ | something like taht |
| 14:17.20 | pb_ | taht |
| 14:17.22 | pb_ | that! |
| 14:17.52 | dc_ | $ ar c mysql-server.deb ./control.tar.gz ./debian-binary ./data.tar.gz |
| 14:17.55 | dc_ | ar: no operation specified |
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| 14:19.56 | pb_ | dc_: oh, whoops, ar cq ... |
| 14:20.31 | pb_ | ar has this wacky syntax. "c" creates an archive, but doesn't actually do anything to it: you need to say "a" or "q" as well if you want to put some files in there. |
| 14:20.35 | dc_ | ah, I found r |
| 14:20.50 | dc_ | doh |
| 14:20.52 | pb_ | r would work as well, yeah |
| 14:20.54 | dc_ | waky coders. |
| 14:21.24 | pb_ | the only difference is that q will let you add the same file again and again, whereas r will replace a file that already exists in the archive. |
| 14:23.01 | dc_ | waky coders. |
| 14:23.25 | pb_ | yeah, those old-time unix dudes. |
| 14:24.05 | dc_ | and they are the only ones with enough wackyness to enjoy making compressing programs. |
| 14:25.18 | dc_ | oh dear. |
| 14:25.24 | dc_ | now it's getting wacky |
| 14:25.39 | dc_ | ipkg thinks the local deb doesn't excist. |
| 14:25.42 | dc_ | exist :-\ |
| 14:25.53 | pb_ | hm, what's it say? |
| 14:26.19 | dc_ | Cannot find package ./mysql-server_4.0.13-3_arm.deb |
| 14:26.27 | dc_ | guess I may have done ar r wrong |
| 14:26.37 | pb_ | could try ipkg -V 3, see if that gives any clues |
| 14:28.24 | dc_ | oh flip |
| 14:28.25 | dc_ | it's 6.8 mb |
| 14:28.39 | pb_ | hell |
| 14:31.33 | dc_ | got it down to 5.9 |
| 14:31.34 | dc_ | heh |
| 14:31.34 | dc_ | guess I could install it in gomwe |
| 14:31.36 | dc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.51 | dc_ | or at least the mysqld binary |
| 14:45.21 | dc_ | hrm |
| 14:45.43 | dc_ | Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: No such file or directory |
| 14:45.48 | dc_ | is that reffering to a file? |
| 14:45.57 | dc_ | or some lack of bindness. |
| 14:46.42 | pb_ | yeah, probably missing some file. |
| 14:46.54 | pb_ | maybe in /var someplace. |
| 14:47.00 | pb_ | could use strace to find out what's up. |
| 14:47.01 | dc_ | libreadline heh |
| 14:49.37 | dc_ | heh |
| 14:49.46 | dc_ | oops, that was mysql |
| 14:49.53 | dc_ | not mysqld. |
| 14:50.29 | dc_ | hope strace isn't too large. |
| 14:51.29 | AntiProxy | 165KBs |
| 14:51.41 | dc_ | phew |
| 14:53.09 | AntiProxy | what do you need a mobile MySQL server for? .) |
| 14:53.40 | dc_ | php programming |
| 14:53.56 | pb_ | should teach php to work with SQLite :-} |
| 14:54.09 | dc_ | heh |
| 14:54.21 | dc_ | that would be nice. |
| 14:54.27 | dc_ | except all my stuff is in mysql. |
| 14:54.29 | AntiProxy | for some reason i thought it'd work with sqlite |
| 14:55.23 | AntiProxy | http://www.sourceforge.org/projects/sqlite-php/ |
| 14:56.38 | dc_ | barf. |
| 14:56.47 | dc_ | no libstdc++5 in unstable? |
| 14:56.53 | AntiProxy | nope |
| 14:56.59 | AntiProxy | there's an older version |
| 14:57.04 | pb_ | yeah, suck. |
| 14:57.08 | dc_ | suck |
| 14:57.12 | dc_ | will the deb work? |
| 14:57.14 | pb_ | wish those g++ dudes didn't keep changing their soname every 20 minutes. |
| 14:57.16 | AntiProxy | we could probably repackage the debian one |
| 14:57.18 | AntiProxy | should work |
| 14:57.20 | pb_ | yeah, the deb should work fine. |
| 14:57.32 | dc_ | cool |
| 15:06.05 | dc_ | hum |
| 15:06.21 | dc_ | # ldd /usr/lib/libstdc\+\+.so.5 |
| 15:06.22 | dc_ | ldd: $warning: you do not have execution permission for `/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5' |
| 15:06.22 | dc_ | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5: /lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_3.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5) |
| 15:06.22 | dc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.22 | dc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.25 | dc_ | strange eh. |
| 15:06.56 | dc_ | or do I need actual gcc? |
| 15:07.24 | AntiProxy | dc_: i think you need an older version of libstdc++ |
| 15:07.35 | pb_ | dc_: need newer libgcc_s, it seems. |
| 15:07.38 | pb_ | which version do you have? |
| 15:07.49 | pb_ | (ipkg status libgcc1) |
| 15:07.55 | dc_ | familiar one |
| 15:07.56 | dc_ | heh |
| 15:08.07 | AntiProxy | ah.. i thought that was GLIBC_3.3 |
| 15:08.13 | AntiProxy | that doesn't even exist .) |
| 15:08.19 | dc_ | doh |
| 15:08.40 | pb_ | dc_: oh, familiar probably still on libgcc1 3.2.3. |
| 15:08.45 | dc_ | Package: libgcc1 |
| 15:08.46 | dc_ | Version: 1:3.2.3-0pre6 |
| 15:08.46 | pb_ | might need to grab that package from debian too |
| 15:08.54 | pb_ | right |
| 15:09.00 | dc_ | dongis o |
| 15:18.30 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8507.png |
| 15:19.00 | pb_ | florian: cool! |
| 15:19.14 | pb_ | heh, monobut looks a little out of place :-) |
| 15:21.48 | florian | yeah... |
| 15:22.43 | florian | Which scripts are started by root after gpe-login verified the password? |
| 15:22.55 | pb_ | gpe-login.pre-session |
| 15:28.29 | florian | ok, i fear i need an extra one for the simpad to change the rights for the key device... |
| 15:29.03 | florian | anything similar for logout for things to be run with user permissions? |
| 15:29.23 | pb_ | right, should be no problem. |
| 15:29.40 | pb_ | no, there isn't any logout equivalent, but it should be ok to just leave the permissions as they are. the next user to log in will reset them. |
| 15:30.34 | cmarqu_werk | One area we actually have docs on: http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-login.shtml :) |
| 15:30.47 | florian | hey, cool |
| 15:30.53 | florian | i'd need to: |
| 15:31.24 | florian | - start a button daemeon with user permissions on login and remove it afterwards |
| 15:32.21 | florian | - a facility that triggers /proc/sys/pm/suspend with root permissions |
| 15:33.15 | pb_ | ah, does simpad not use apm for suspending? |
| 15:33.35 | pb_ | if you use keylaunch as the button daemon it should "just work", the same as on ipaq. |
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| 15:35.31 | florian | pb_: doesn't look so - at least apm -s doesn't do anything |
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| 15:38.23 | florian | pb_: heh? how does keylaunch work? |
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| 15:38.38 | florian | hi Skaag |
| 15:38.42 | Skaag | hello :-) |
| 15:38.49 | florian | hi jg |
| 15:38.54 | jg | florian: hi. |
| 15:41.50 | florian | pb_: how is keylaunch supposed to work? it doesn't know anything about the simpads buttons... |
| 15:42.53 | pb_ | florian: you should be able to simply provide a new keylaunchrc. |
| 15:44.25 | florian | pb_: ok, you know that the simpad provides it's keys through a device /dev/misc/key? |
| 15:44.37 | pb_ | florian: oh, right. they don't show up as X events? |
| 15:45.10 | pb_ | florian: the best thing would be to teach the X server how to read from /dev/misc/key and generate the appropriate events. |
| 15:47.05 | florian | pb_: oops... |
| 15:47.14 | florian | pb_: sounds nasty... |
| 15:49.11 | pb_ | florian: it shouldn't be all that big a deal. ultimately, that's what happens on all other platforms. |
| 15:51.44 | florian | pb_: ok... at the moment i'll run this with root permissions. |
| 15:52.05 | florian | pb_: are the ipaq buttopn keyboard events? |
| 15:52.19 | pb_ | florian: yes |
| 15:53.13 | pb_ | in fact, the easiest thing might be to change the simpad kernel to put keystrokes through the normal input layer. that way you could avoid X server changes. |
| 15:53.48 | florian | pb_: yep, really... |
| 16:19.12 | dc_ | be back tomorrow :-\ |
| 16:30.34 | Skaag | I see setting up the usb networking on gpe is a bit different |
| 16:30.49 | Skaag | I tried using the network settings tool but it doesn't load up the interface |
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| 16:39.56 | florian | hi mallum |
| 16:42.36 | Skaag | wow Dillo is fast |
| 16:42.43 | Skaag | on my ipaq that is |
| 16:43.03 | mallum | hey |
| 16:43.29 | Skaag | hrm. |
| 16:44.25 | florian | Skaag: this is bad... it should bring up the interface... please file a bug against gpe-conf |
| 16:46.56 | PaxAnima | 3 |
| 16:47.04 | PaxAnima | argh... wrong key ;) |
| 16:47.14 | PaxAnima | hi, btw ;) |
| 16:49.15 | Skaag | florian: will do |
| 16:49.54 | Skaag | florian: once I set it up myself via terminal, all worked perfectly well and fast |
| 16:50.02 | Skaag | looks like gpe is much faster than opie in general |
| 16:50.35 | Skaag | but I haven't yet tested opie 0.7 yet so I can't say, maybe they made some improvements |
| 16:52.38 | Skaag | florian what's that little sync icon you got at the bottom toolbar? |
| 16:53.26 | pb_ | hi PaxAnima :-) |
| 16:53.48 | PaxAnima | hi ;) |
| 16:56.18 | florian | Skaag: the screen rotator |
| 16:56.28 | Skaag | ah. confusing icon. |
| 16:56.46 | mallum | Skaag: please supply a better one |
| 16:57.07 | Skaag | mallum: np |
| 16:59.28 | mallum | PaxAnima: what you hacking on ? |
| 16:59.38 | florian | PaxAnima: yeah, cool |
| 17:00.01 | florian | How do i create a Packages file from a directory? |
| 17:00.03 | Skaag | mallum: what icon size do you want? |
| 17:00.06 | PaxAnima | mallum: well, I'm getting around to fix psCalc... had a serious down period after delivering the Master thesis.. |
| 17:00.36 | pb_ | florian: ipkg-make-index . >Packages |
| 17:00.47 | mallum | Skaag: 48x48 and 16x16 is best :-) |
| 17:00.55 | Skaag | cool |
| 17:00.59 | florian | pb_: thanks |
| 17:01.01 | mallum | PaxAnima: coolio, did thesis go well ? |
| 17:01.53 | PaxAnima | mallum: think so... I get the result sometime around august/september |
| 17:02.06 | mallum | PaxAnima: okey, good luck :-) |
| 17:02.36 | PaxAnima | thanks ;) |
| 17:04.18 | PaxAnima | now to fix the cut'n'paste bug in psCalc, which really is a poor gtk2 solution for the cut'n'paste system for GtkTextBuffer.. |
| 17:04.38 | florian | pb_: ok, now i only need a hint where the current ipkg toools are located... |
| 17:04.58 | pb_ | florian: /cvs/ipkg-utils |
| 17:05.04 | PaxAnima | i.e. when copying text that has tags with them, you also copy the tags, and there isn't an easy way of stripping the clipboard of the tags :/ |
| 17:05.11 | florian | pb_: ah, that's easy :-) |
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| 17:26.46 | Skaag | mallum: 16x16 ready |
| 17:26.48 | Skaag | http://www.nsa.co.il/myicons/ |
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| 17:28.27 | mallum | Skaag: thanks |
| 17:38.05 | Skaag | mallum: made a 48x48 one but i'm not too happy about it |
| 17:38.09 | Skaag | in any case it's a bit less confusing |
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| 17:48.01 | nilsf | Oh, the topic is outdated by now :) Fam0.7 final is out... |
| 17:54.55 | pb_ | Oh yes. |
| 17:55.07 | *** topic/#gpe by pb_ -> GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://handhelds.org/bugzilla | Familiar 0.7 issues: http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 | Visit comp.os.linux.embedded newsgroup | Familiar 0.7 is released! http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7/install/ |
| 17:55.20 | nilsf | pb_: Perfect :) |
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| 18:15.07 | florian_ | huh? |
| 18:15.09 | florian_ | re |
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| 18:40.07 | pb_ | re |
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| 18:44.41 | florian_ | re |
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| 19:19.44 | florian_ | hey pierre_ |
| 19:35.50 | mallum | florian_: simpad scap looks nice |
| 19:36.43 | mallum | florian_: you should grab the matchbox tarball and dump the defualt icon set in though, those are more suited to bigger displays |
| 19:36.59 | mallum | florian_: for the panel at least |
| 19:37.09 | florian_ | mallum: yep... really - mbdesktop runs fine on it - with some minor problems |
| 19:37.46 | mallum | florian_: what problems ? |
| 19:39.08 | florian_ | mallum: it doesn't notice screen rotation |
| 19:40.08 | florian_ | mallum: i was not able to add one of the dockapps using the nenue... but which? |
| 19:40.28 | florian_ | starting it manually worked... |
| 19:40.42 | florian_ | minilite was broken too... |
| 19:41.15 | mallum | minilite is not mine !!! |
| 19:41.50 | florian_ | ah yes, i should know :-) |
| 19:42.04 | mallum | florian_: can you check you metacity knows about randr ? the desktop doesn't actually know a roatation has taken place, it just responds to a resize by the wm |
| 19:42.37 | florian_ | ahh, ok - that may be the problem... |
| 19:43.03 | mallum | florian_: you may need to install a 2.5.x metacity |
| 19:43.20 | florian_ | sometimes i get te root background after login, but this may be a simpad specific problem... |
| 19:43.53 | florian_ | mallum: i used the newest i found in that dir... have a link? |
| 19:44.56 | mallum | florian_: I dunno why mbdesktop fails to map sometimes, I gonna have a look at that now |
| 19:46.00 | mallum | florian_: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/metacity/2.5/ |
| 19:46.05 | florian_ | mallum: ok.. still wondering which dockapp didn't work |
| 19:46.16 | florian_ | mallum: thanks |
| 19:47.40 | mallum | florian_: probably minilite, gpewhat or .... theres one other which dont work - minibat ? |
| 19:48.07 | florian_ | minibat works... basically |
| 19:48.16 | florian_ | does minibat call apm? |
| 19:50.47 | mallum | not sure |
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| 19:52.27 | florian_ | Hmm... i can't reach my University IPSec gateway... |
| 20:09.42 | pb_ | florian_: yes, minibat uses apm |
| 20:11.57 | florian_ | pb_: ah... looks klike it doesn't like the output on the simpad: |
| 20:12.31 | florian_ | - shows correct values while connected to power... |
| 20:13.06 | florian_ | - if power disconnected i get an read error from it while apm still works |
| 20:15.42 | florian_ | we had some more succes with the simpad, nils kernel seems to work - he was able to create packages |
| 20:17.08 | florian_ | only the bootstrap script has some trouble |
| 20:20.30 | mallum | florian_: does miniapm like it ? |
| 20:21.41 | florian_ | mallum: i didn't test so far... i'll try tomorrow morning |
| 20:23.40 | mallum | florian_: ok, apm could be broke on the simpad. it is on the 720 |
| 20:24.50 | florian_ | mallum: it's console output look ok... |
| 20:27.09 | pb_ | florian_: ah, sounds cool. what's the problem with the bootstrap script? |
| 20:27.52 | mallum | florian_: no number > 100 less < -1 ? |
| 20:29.08 | florian_ | pb_: I was in a hurry trying it - so i didn't finish one... the last State was that ipkg tried to install a package twice... i think it's a problem with a removes status file... |
| 20:29.27 | florian_ | mallum: afaik not - another check for tomorrow |
| 20:29.49 | pb_ | florian_: ah, I do remember a problem with that happening to busybox. the current script has: |
| 20:29.54 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.54 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.30 | florian_ | pb_: ah yes - i think this was busybox... |
| 20:31.21 | pb_ | florian_: sounds like you might be using the HEAD version of make-busyboot rather than the branch. |
| 20:32.28 | florian_ | pb_: yep, this may be... i remember a problem that it removed a status file |
| 20:33.26 | florian_ | ok if this worked... let me summarize: |
| 20:33.48 | florian_ | we'd need a simpad version of "bl" |
| 20:34.16 | florian_ | change the button driver in kernel to generate keyboard events |
| 20:34.53 | florian_ | and three gpe-conf applets: battery, buttons, screen |
| 20:35.27 | pb_ | right |
| 20:36.37 | florian_ | My IRIX Netscape doesn't want to upload a file to our screenshot gallery :-/ |
| 20:37.27 | florian_ | And find this nasty bug in Nils toolchain... |
| 20:39.27 | mallum | florian_: bl is pretty horrible :/ |
| 20:39.44 | mallum | florian_: also I dont think it can change contrast |
| 20:43.17 | florian_ | mallum: it is - but the simpad's proc interface is worse! |
| 20:43.46 | florian_ | mallum: jep - but i'm not shure if this is possible on the simpad. |
| 20:44.40 | mallum | florian_: no I think not on most ipaqs either, except 3100 |
| 20:45.13 | mallum | florian_: I guess the interface to it needs to advertise what the backlight can do |
| 20:45.30 | mallum | brihtness, contrast, on/off etc |
| 20:45.51 | florian_ | pb_: it might be a good idea to add your gpe-what specs to the documentation on the gpe website |
| 20:47.06 | florian_ | yep, this would be better - the familiar project need to find out what's necessary to support multiple platforms... |
| 20:47.35 | mallum | right |
| 20:47.40 | florian_ | some simple software for hardware abstraction e.g. |
| 20:47.46 | mallum | I've been thinking about that a bit |
| 20:48.06 | florian_ | for light, battery, power control features |
| 20:48.07 | pb_ | florian_: yes, good plan. |
| 20:48.22 | mallum | I was thinking about how you'd do button detection |
| 20:48.52 | florian_ | mallum: yep, i'd need this at the moment :-) |
| 20:49.25 | mallum | maybe a little 'libdevdetect' or summin ? |
| 20:49.43 | mallum | or maybe just a shellscript which sets various env vars |
| 20:50.10 | mallum | eg ts driver, natural fb oprientation, button setup etc |
| 20:50.12 | florian_ | I'm not shure - on the one hand i'd like to keep it simple... |
| 20:50.53 | florian_ | I'd prefer a binary package and configuration for each platform |
| 20:52.22 | mallum | thats probably more complicated |
| 20:52.41 | florian_ | For ts and orinatation it would be a good idea to move to tslib based xservers (or at least one Xserver) and provide different configuration packages for it. |
| 20:53.17 | florian_ | Hm yes... especially for the buttons. |
| 20:54.01 | mallum | the tslib xserver just replys on 2 env vars being set |
| 20:54.24 | florian_ | But light, light sensors, battery and power management could be handled by a daemon like ipaqsleep... |
| 20:54.26 | mallum | if there not set it falls back to sane defualts |
| 20:54.48 | florian_ | This sounds like it's easy to manage... |
| 20:54.55 | mallum | florian_: all that stuff should have the same interfaces on different platforms |
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| 20:55.48 | florian_ | mallum: This would be the best... but look at the simpad and see that this seems to be difficult |
| 20:56.19 | florian_ | hello treke |
| 20:57.05 | mallum | florian_: if its already exposing control of them things to userspace, it prolly only a simple kernel patch to uniform those interfaces |
| 20:57.39 | treke | afternoon florian_ |
| 20:57.57 | florian_ | I think i should get some rest and read some lines from an author with the same name like one of the freenode boxes :-) |
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| 20:58.38 | mallum | florian_: okey :-) |
| 20:58.54 | florian_ | mallum: hm, yes... i think thats a way better idea |
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| 21:01.32 | florian_ | ok, a reason to get up early... i'll be at kc 8:30 CEST :-) |
| 21:04.54 | florian_ | night all! |
| 21:06.10 | pb_ | florian_: night! |
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| 21:21.21 | pb_ | cmarqu_: are you there? |
| 21:21.42 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Just returned. |
| 21:22.31 | pb_ | cmarqu_: aha :-) Would you object if I changed the gpe.handhelds.org index page to use PHP rather than SSI? |
| 21:23.18 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Probably not :) |
| 21:23.45 | cmarqu_ | I'm just a user, so I don't care. I copy new stuff from older stuff. |
| 21:23.54 | pb_ | cmarqu_: or, alternatively, can you think of a way to get it to include a fragment of php from within the ssi file? <!--#include virtual="foo.php"--> fails. |
| 21:25.00 | cmarqu_ | pb_: No idea, but Owen might know. The few times I mailed him, he responded quite fast. |
| 21:25.19 | pb_ | Ah, good plan. I'll send him a note. |
| 21:30.08 | pierre__ | how do you say cardctl to mount my /mnt/hda with a umask=0 ie all file are user writable? |
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| 23:46.00 | grib | anybody here using prismstumbler? is there active development? |
