| 00:00.23 | dc_ | ah. right. |
| 00:00.23 | pb_ | http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?X=900000&Y=6500000&width=500&height=300&client=public&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=mercator&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&scale=4000000&advanced=&multimap.x=233&multimap.y=157 |
| 00:00.47 | dc_ | oh right! |
| 00:00.47 | dc_ | germany |
| 00:00.54 | dc_ | I should have known ;) |
| 00:01.05 | dc_ | sounds fair enough. |
| 00:01.17 | dc_ | maybe we should do if for like 3 or 4 days or something |
| 00:01.35 | dc_ | and catch txis |
| 00:01.38 | dc_ | taxis. |
| 00:01.53 | dc_ | and have a pre determined place to eat every night. |
| 00:01.54 | dc_ | hehehe. |
| 00:02.01 | pb_ | heh, yes |
| 00:02.05 | pigeon | Ah... germany... |
| 00:02.12 | pigeon | pb_: When? Do you know? |
| 00:02.14 | dc_ | it sounds cool though |
| 00:02.35 | pb_ | pigeon: maybe September |
| 00:02.58 | dc_ | cool |
| 00:03.04 | pigeon | Hmm very interesting. |
| 00:03.05 | dc_ | holidays I hope. |
| 00:03.11 | pb_ | there's a handhelds.org developer weekend on October 3/4, which we probably want to not clash with. |
| 00:03.18 | pigeon | Hmm... this year or next year? |
| 00:03.21 | dc_ | in the us though? |
| 00:03.23 | pb_ | This year. |
| 00:03.26 | pb_ | dc_: yeah |
| 00:03.28 | pigeon | :\ |
| 00:03.30 | dc_ | hehh. |
| 00:03.34 | pigeon | That might be tough. |
| 00:04.09 | pb_ | dc_: I think you are earning more than me at the moment. |
| 00:04.28 | dc_ | pb_: what's your salary ;)? |
| 00:05.00 | pb_ | well, that rather depends how you count it. |
| 00:05.36 | dc_ | do you get paid by the hour? |
| 00:08.46 | dc_ | doh |
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| 01:06.29 | dc_ | shite! |
| 01:06.42 | dc_ | messed up my TV a bit using the wrong modeline ;_\ |
| 01:06.44 | dc_ | doh |
| 01:06.47 | dc_ | suck |
| 01:13.04 | pigeon | Hmm. |
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| 01:23.15 | HF|Shadow | Anyone know why i would get "Scanner: syntax error" when i try to use the wlan config? |
| 01:23.25 | HF|Shadow | Or where it saves the settings so i can edit the file by hand? |
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| 02:04.17 | HF|Shadow | Hrm |
| 02:04.25 | HF|Shadow | Getting constant errors in the wlan config app =/ |
| 02:04.30 | HF|Shadow | even with a fresh install |
| 02:04.35 | HF|Shadow | just opening it, and closing it gives me errors |
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| 06:57.09 | florian | hi all |
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| 07:51.50 | florian | dc_: hello, good morning |
| 08:05.18 | florian | hciattach is missing a suid bit! |
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| 08:13.55 | florian | hi mallum |
| 08:21.53 | mallum | hey florian |
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| 08:31.15 | florian | brb |
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| 09:02.59 | florian | hi cmarqu_werk |
| 09:07.26 | cmarqu_werk | Hi. |
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| 09:18.40 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 09:18.54 | pb_ | good morning #gpe |
| 09:19.18 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 09:19.46 | florian | pb_: i had some trouble with gpe-bluetooth.... |
| 09:19.56 | pb_ | florian: oh dear! what kind of trouble? |
| 09:20.15 | florian | hciattach is missing a suid bit again - ok no problem of gpe-bluetooth |
| 09:20.18 | AntiProxy | morning pb_ |
| 09:20.34 | pb_ | yo AntiProxy |
| 09:20.40 | AntiProxy | yo yo yo! |
| 09:20.46 | florian | after adding this suid bit it died querying my pc... |
| 09:20.50 | pb_ | florian: ah, darn. maybe I screwed up the new bluez-utils package. |
| 09:20.55 | AntiProxy | i'm working on xchat 2.0.3 and i need a bit of help with a lil something |
| 09:21.44 | AntiProxy | for the ease of future maintenance.. i'll have to throw in #ifdef USE_HANDHELD or something similar here n there |
| 09:21.45 | mallum | pb_: I am now elite kernel hacker btw |
| 09:21.51 | pb_ | mallum: congratulations |
| 09:22.03 | pb_ | AntiProxy: right |
| 09:22.08 | AntiProxy | one thing i don't know though... |
| 09:22.27 | AntiProxy | pb_: where should USE_HANDHELD be defined? |
| 09:22.32 | AntiProxy | Makefile? |
| 09:22.40 | florian | pb_: i get a segfault.. |
| 09:22.44 | mallum | pb_: I'll mail you the patches for a working 54xx ts in a mo |
| 09:22.53 | mallum | pb_: oops appear to be getting ahead of myself there ;-) |
| 09:23.04 | AntiProxy | ( as much as i hate asking dumb questions.. sometimes there's no other way out ) |
| 09:23.44 | pb_ | AntiProxy: ideally you probably want to add it to the configure script, but if you don't have the autoconf skillz then defining it in the makefile by hand would be ok as a short-term measure |
| 09:24.43 | florian | mallum: hey cool... what about a port to the LooX? ;-) |
| 09:25.02 | mallum | florian: give me a couple of hours ... |
| 09:25.45 | florian | mallum: ok, this was the correct answer ;-) |
| 09:28.06 | AntiProxy | pb_: here's another one.. |
| 09:28.18 | AntiProxy | pb_: how do i define that in the Makefile? .) |
| 09:29.03 | mallum | AntiProxy: you using xchat cvs ? |
| 09:29.24 | AntiProxy | mallum: i will be |
| 09:29.26 | pb_ | AntiProxy: add "CPPFLAGS += -DUSE_HANDHELD" |
| 09:29.40 | AntiProxy | didn't yet start.. i'm still gathering notes i made while doing the initial port |
| 09:29.58 | AntiProxy | i have those on my other box |
| 09:30.10 | pb_ | don't suppose we could interest you in looking at GAIM? |
| 09:30.45 | AntiProxy | i'm interested already |
| 09:30.46 | AntiProxy | but.. |
| 09:30.54 | AntiProxy | XChat is on top of my priorities .) |
| 09:31.01 | AntiProxy | i don't care much for MSN/ICQ/YIM/etc.. |
| 09:31.05 | pb_ | fair enough |
| 09:31.17 | AntiProxy | last time i checked GAIM was still not ported to GTK2 |
| 09:31.26 | pb_ | apparently it is, since version 0.62 |
| 09:31.53 | mallum | AntiProxy: add something like |
| 09:31.54 | AntiProxy | i guessthat's worth having a look on |
| 09:32.00 | AntiProxy | s/sst/ss t/ |
| 09:32.03 | mallum | AC_ARG_ENABLE(handhelds, |
| 09:32.03 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.03 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.03 | mallum | if test x$enable_handhelds = xyes; then |
| 09:32.03 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.04 | mallum | fi |
| 09:32.19 | mallum | to the xchat cvs configure.in and then run autogen.sh |
| 09:32.39 | AntiProxy | right |
| 09:32.52 | AntiProxy | thanks pb_ and mallum .) |
| 09:39.35 | mallum | pb_: is the h3600_hal stuff still used ? |
| 09:39.57 | pb_ | mallum: yes |
| 09:40.23 | pb_ | though it will gradually be going away over time |
| 09:40.36 | mallum | pb_: okey, I have to figure out how to make a j720_hal |
| 09:41.04 | mallum | pb_: I have all the funcs the the jodarna720.c src to get at the various bits of hardware |
| 09:41.17 | mallum | pb_: but they dont seem to get exported to userspace anywhere |
| 09:41.45 | florian | pb_: I verified that - the devices window is shown (one device), the device is connected and then gpe-conf dies with a segfault. |
| 09:42.14 | pb_ | mallum: you can probably use the h3600_hal for jornada, just need to write a backend module for it. |
| 09:42.19 | florian | mallum: i'm impressed :-) |
| 09:42.29 | pb_ | florian: hrm, right |
| 09:43.14 | mallum | pb_: right, I just need to plug the h3600_hal struct of function pointers into j720 relevant ones right ? |
| 09:43.23 | florian | and i filed a bug against bluez-utils |
| 09:44.06 | pb_ | right, yeah. take a look at h3600_micro.c or h3900_asic_core.c etc |
| 09:44.58 | mallum | pb_: I also have to help me http://lorien.handhelds.org/ftp.handhelds.org/linux/hp/720/jornada720.txt |
| 09:45.22 | pb_ | cool |
| 09:46.36 | mallum | I think to start with a create a debug proc entry that just dumps the bit of data I need |
| 09:47.09 | mallum | for now Im safe to register that in jodarna720.c - right ? |
| 09:48.14 | pb_ | yes, should be able to make /proc entries anywhere. |
| 09:49.07 | mallum | cool, thanks |
| 10:06.47 | pb_ | florian: are you able to run gpe-bluetooth under gdb to find out where it crashes? |
| 10:06.54 | pb_ | This segfault is very mysterious. |
| 10:11.20 | florian | pb_: i'd ned to compile a debuging version first... |
| 10:12.09 | pb_ | florian: even with a non-debugging version we might get some useful information |
| 10:12.18 | pb_ | but a debugging version would be even better, yes |
| 10:13.17 | florian | pb_: strace gives some info: it opens bt-logo.png... reads two times from it. |
| 10:14.41 | florian | pb_: then the file handle for it is closed. after closing there is only one call to munmap before it receives SIGSEGFAULT |
| 10:16.09 | pb_ | hm, right |
| 10:17.49 | florian | pb_: if necessary i'll create a debug binary... |
| 10:18.42 | mallum | bummer my kernel just crashed |
| 10:19.14 | pb_ | florian: ok, that'd be cool |
| 10:20.25 | florian | mallum: did nils tell you about the memory leak in xkbd? |
| 10:21.13 | mallum | florian: nope, I know it leaks approx 20k per min/max cycle |
| 10:22.15 | florian | mallum: even worse - if you change it's size using a different wm |
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| 10:22.49 | mallum | florian: ah right yeah same as min/max cycle |
| 10:23.12 | mallum | florian: xkbd was the first c program I wrote after a 10 year break , so some of the code is crusty |
| 10:23.23 | mallum | florian: I guess I should valgrind its arse |
| 10:24.28 | florian | mallum: resizing is an easy way to produce an oom situation on a 64mb simpad. |
| 10:25.10 | florian | mallum: killing xkbd doesn't help - so the problem must be a pixmap that is stored in x |
| 10:26.05 | mallum | florian: okey i'll take a look later, I dont need valgrind for that |
| 10:26.46 | mallum | florian: feel free to run valgrind across it though and send me the report ( with all the mem leak opts turned on ) and I'll fix it |
| 10:26.51 | florian | mallum: ah, great - would be cool... xkbd is nice on the impad too |
| 10:27.20 | florian | nelson will need to add Simpad support to scap too ;-) |
| 10:27.44 | mallum | florian: just mail him a cat /dev/fb |
| 10:28.14 | florian | mallum: ok :-) |
| 10:30.50 | mallum | wooho |
| 10:30.51 | mallum | sh-2.03# cat /proc/hal/info |
| 10:30.51 | mallum | mcu_byte: timed out |
| 10:30.51 | mallum | mcu_start: sent d0 got ffffffff |
| 10:30.51 | mallum | mcu_byte: timed out |
| 10:30.51 | mallum | mcu_start: sent c0 got 0 |
| 10:30.52 | mallum | mcu_byte: timed out |
| 10:30.56 | mallum | mcu_byte: timed out |
| 10:31.02 | mallum | Brightness: 16 |
| 10:31.04 | mallum | Contrast: 17 |
| 10:31.06 | mallum | Batt1: -1 |
| 10:31.08 | mallum | Batt3: -1 |
| 10:31.10 | mallum | Batt3: -1 |
| 10:31.12 | mallum | mcu_byte: timed out |
| 10:31.14 | mallum | mcu_start: sent c0 got ffffffff |
| 10:31.16 | mallum | mcu_byte: timed out |
| 10:31.18 | mallum | mcu_byte: timed out |
| 10:37.58 | florian | mallum: Is there a way to make mbdock pass a hint to wm that it does not want any decoration? |
| 10:38.56 | mallum | florian: the wm should just not decorate it, if it dont the wm is not EWMH compliant |
| 10:39.42 | florian | mallum: i use xfwm4 for the simpad |
| 10:40.06 | mallum | florian: could you mail me the output of 'xprop -root' of the simpad under xfwm4 |
| 10:40.40 | mallum | florian: you can try passing the -geometry flag to mbdock, that will make it an overide redirect window - but thats not heavily tested |
| 10:41.48 | mallum | florian: also in the matchbox dist, look in tests/ - there is a prog there call winspew you can use to test various window types |
| 10:43.32 | florian | mallum: mail is on it's way... |
| 10:45.40 | mallum | florian: cool, I though xfwm4 was EWMH compliant, theres not some flag you have to pass to its ./configure to make it so is there ? |
| 10:46.30 | florian | mallum: wait.. i'll pass this question to nils... he compiled it. |
| 10:47.02 | mallum | florian: wait the root window prop would should it does support it ok |
| 10:47.16 | mallum | florian: thats really odd |
| 10:50.00 | mallum | florian: what happens to gnome2 panel if you do a 'DISPLAY=simpad_ip:0.0 gnome-panel' |
| 10:55.12 | florian | mallum: this looks good |
| 10:55.50 | florian | mallum: mbdock -g 800 is ok too |
| 10:57.04 | florian | mallum: but it desappears starting an other app |
| 10:59.33 | mallum | florian: same with gnome-panel ? |
| 10:59.47 | mallum | florian: and it gnome2 panel your running right ? |
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| 11:00.50 | florian | mallum: nope - gnome panel works perfect... |
| 11:00.54 | mallum | hey nilsf |
| 11:01.00 | nilsf | mallum: Hi! |
| 11:01.11 | florian | mallum: yep, i think tis current debian unstable... |
| 11:01.16 | florian | hi nilsf |
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| 11:01.32 | mallum | florian: can you do an xwininfo and clikc on the gnomepanel window |
| 11:01.44 | nilsf | florian: Oh hi! Havn't seen you for a while, at least five minutes :) Besides, lunch is near :) |
| 11:02.21 | nilsf | I just got an email asking for BlueZ package status... obviously the ones in Familiar are quite old again. |
| 11:02.35 | nilsf | The guy asking told me that he tried to contact Christian without luck. |
| 11:02.38 | florian | mallum: yep, done... wich part is interesting? |
| 11:02.44 | nilsf | Is Christian on holiday? |
| 11:03.02 | nilsf | dc_: Hi! |
| 11:03.22 | florian | nilsf: yep, i just wanted to start the first call for lunch :-) |
| 11:03.28 | nilsf | dc_: Heard you have some spare time? New hacking on gpe-word? |
| 11:03.42 | mallum | florian: Override Redirect State |
| 11:04.01 | florian | mallum: Override Redirect State: no |
| 11:04.14 | mallum | florian: hmm, odd |
| 11:04.27 | florian | hmm... mr. tanners internet connection seems to be unstable.... |
| 11:04.39 | mallum | florian: yep |
| 11:04.54 | mallum | florian: you have a recent matchbox right ? |
| 11:05.18 | nilsf | florian: Not that big news, I'm afraid... news would have been if it would have become stable :) |
| 11:06.37 | florian | nilsf: yeah, right.... |
| 11:06.52 | florian | mallum: yep, i think so... |
| 11:07.29 | nilsf | florian mallum: Talking about the SIMpad stuff I installed the latest MB from unstable on it. |
| 11:07.37 | mallum | okey |
| 11:07.41 | mallum | how odd |
| 11:08.16 | mallum | I'll have to grab the source for xfwm4 to figure out whats happening |
| 11:08.28 | mallum | all the mb utils work fine with metacity |
| 11:09.08 | florian | mallum: Do you think metacity is n option for the simpad? |
| 11:09.52 | nilsf | florian: Doesn't metacity rely on Gnome'isms? |
| 11:10.38 | pb_ | nilsf: Christian as in Andy Christian? I haven't heard from him in a while, but I can update the bluez-utils package myself. |
| 11:10.46 | mallum | florian: if xfwm4 is gtk2 based, a carefully built metacity will prolly be about the same |
| 11:11.19 | florian | nilsf: well... i think it is intended to use with gnome but doen't depend on it... it's known to be simple |
| 11:11.46 | mallum | pb_: when Im reading stuff from the 'mcu' on this 720, should I spin_lock_irqsave ? |
| 11:12.24 | mallum | nilsf: nope only gtk2 and gconf ( but I think you can compile that out ) |
| 11:12.25 | pb_ | mallum: how's the mcu interfaced? |
| 11:12.51 | mallum | pb_: The MCU is connected to the SSP port of the CPU. It basically uses |
| 11:12.52 | mallum | the Motorola SPI protocol to communicate to the CPU. |
| 11:13.04 | nilsf | pb_: It's obviously not only the utils package but also PAN/DUND and RFCOMM. The guy just talked about Christian and I thought it would have been Christian Andrew? |
| 11:13.20 | mallum | pb_: that is just cut and pasted btw |
| 11:13.25 | nilsf | mallum: Cool, then metaciyt might be a choice! |
| 11:13.48 | nilsf | mallum: XFWM4 depends on most XFCE libs as well so some other WM could be good. |
| 11:13.49 | mallum | nilsf: just ./configure it carefully - it runs in about 8meg on my machine |
| 11:14.11 | mallum | nilsf: 8meg mem thats is, I suspect prolly about 500k disk |
| 11:14.14 | pb_ | nilsf: Okay. I can probably update those also. |
| 11:14.51 | nilsf | pb_: You don't have to if you have better things to do, I could do it too. I just did not want to step on Andrew's toes... |
| 11:15.19 | nilsf | pb_: Andrew / Christian... the hot weather starts to confuse me :) |
| 11:15.20 | pb_ | nilsf: well, I was working on bluez-utils anyway. How about I update that, and you take care of the others? |
| 11:15.57 | pb_ | Gpe-bluetooth has an internal PAN implementation these days, so pand is not so important on a gpe system. |
| 11:15.58 | nilsf | pb_: OKay :) What did you change in the utils? And which versions to use? Latest from sf.net? |
| 11:16.07 | nilsf | pb_: OK. |
| 11:16.18 | pb_ | nilsf: I applied the D-BUS patch to hcid. Yes, I guess the latest from sf.net would be the ones. |
| 11:16.26 | mallum | pb_: aha, the mcu must also be used by the serial port. If I cat /proc/hal/info via the serial port I get crap. If i dont it via a rxvt I get seemingly correct data |
| 11:16.30 | nilsf | pb_: Cool... that was the reason why we did not find pand at LinuxTag :)) |
| 11:16.41 | pb_ | mallum: ah, right |
| 11:16.44 | pb_ | nilsf: aha :-) |
| 11:17.28 | pb_ | I think gpe-bluetooth also handles RFCOMM and LAP itself. It would be somewhat easy to make it do DUN as well. |
| 11:17.41 | nilsf | pb_: OK then. I'll try to give the other packages a try after lunch and let you know... |
| 11:17.46 | pb_ | The main issue with DUN is having some way to configure the dialler. |
| 11:17.49 | pb_ | nilsf: Great. |
| 11:18.13 | nilsf | pb_: Argh :) Why do you do that all by yourself? Is it really that trivial? |
| 11:18.50 | nilsf | pb_: I meant implmenting it in gpe-bluetooth.... If something changes then not only the BlueZ guy have to redo their tools but also you have to... |
| 11:19.16 | mallum | pb_: hmm, actually I still get randomness. Its seems the mcu is used to communicate with everything. therefor I should stop any irq callbacks getting at it whilst Im reading from it right ? |
| 11:19.34 | pb_ | nilsf: It's fairly trivial, yes. The main problem with spawning an external dund or whatever is that it is difficult to get useful status and error information back from it. |
| 11:20.38 | pb_ | mallum: probably, yes. I would be nervous about locking out irqs for a long time though. |
| 11:21.04 | pb_ | You could have a look at h3600_micro, which also interfaces to an external MCU (albeit with a uart rather than ssp) |
| 11:21.05 | nilsf | pb_: OK, I see. I just thought that it might be doubling effort. But if it's more or less trivial then it reasonable to do so. Hopefully the API will not change that often :) |
| 11:21.28 | pb_ | nilsf: Right. It's really just a socket interface like any other network protocol, so there ought not to be many changes. |
| 11:22.19 | nilsf | OK guys, see in a minute.... |
| 11:22.28 | pb_ | nilsf: enjoy |
| 11:22.30 | mallum | pb_: okey, is an mpu like an asic ? |
| 11:22.37 | florian | ok, brb |
| 11:23.56 | pb_ | mallum: kind of. An ASIC is just a piece of custom logic that would usually interface directly to the CPU bus. A MCU/MPU is another processor running a separate piece of software, which you would normally talk to using a serial port of some description. |
| 11:24.15 | pb_ | Some ASICs have MCUs embedded inside them. |
| 11:25.19 | mallum | pb_: ok |
| 11:26.14 | mallum | pb_: h3600_micro_request() seems to take a lot more care than the j720 code for speaking |
| 11:26.29 | pb_ | right. |
| 11:26.46 | pb_ | you certainly don't want multiple threads talking to the serial port at once, since that would certainly result in garbled messages. |
| 11:26.59 | mallum | pb_: it calling stuff like in_interrupt(), *wait_queue etc |
| 11:27.10 | mallum | pb_: yeah, I think thats what happening |
| 11:28.32 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for nelson: I tested the image "516be7d7d5669b8a62d66ca19023087f bootgpe2-v0.7-h3900.jffs2", seems to work fine on my 3970. |
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| 12:15.07 | nilsf | Grmpf... first time my notebook dies on me :( |
| 12:15.27 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 12:25.14 | nilsf | Must have had something to do with IDE mounting the CDROM... strange. Just got two blinking keyboard LEDs so I even couldn't have a look at the kernel output. |
| 12:45.35 | florian | re |
| 12:46.10 | pb_ | florian: re |
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| 12:47.18 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 12:47.40 | paul | hi pb |
| 12:48.09 | paul | pb_: how's things? |
| 12:50.38 | pb_ | yeah, not bad. trying to finish off a few projects here before leaving for OLS. |
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| 13:08.17 | nilsf | pb_: OLS? |
| 13:10.49 | mallum | pb, nilsf: any idea where in kernel source ipaq sets the /dev entry for the backlight control ? |
| 13:13.05 | pb_ | mallum: iirc, backlight is done through /dev/h3600_ts on ipaq. |
| 13:13.11 | pb_ | nilsf: Ottawa Linux Symposium. |
| 13:13.18 | pb_ | www.linuxsymposium.org |
| 13:13.19 | mallum | pb_: ah yes that would make sense |
| 13:15.20 | mallum | pb_: no wonder I couldn't finf it :/ |
| 13:15.30 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Do you want to have anything changed in http://handhelds.org/~cmarqu/gpe-flyer.pdf if you take some flyers with you? |
| 13:18.58 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: Ah yes, flyers, good thinking. I should also take some CF cards with 0.7 gpe2 installation images, because HP will apparently be giving away some ipaqs at the event. |
| 13:20.21 | florian | this stupid metacity doen't want to start! |
| 13:24.20 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Well, you know where to find them if you want to print them in Ottawa. |
| 13:25.58 | pb_ | Yep. That's probably easier than hauling a stack of paper across the Atlantic. |
| 13:27.32 | cmarqu_werk | I could produce some for letter format too. Let me play with this at home. |
| 13:27.39 | pb_ | Tim Riker will be there giving an Opie propaganda talk, so I should definitely have some flyers to redress the balance. :-) |
| 13:28.42 | cmarqu_werk | :) |
| 13:32.27 | nilsf | pb_: HP gives away iPAQs??? Shit... can't be there :( |
| 13:32.58 | nilsf | pb_: If you are already there, why not do a GPE BOF :)) |
| 13:33.07 | pb_ | nilsf: Yes, I plan to try to organise a BOF of some kind. |
| 13:33.58 | pb_ | keithp and cworth will also be there, plus bdale and jamey for at least part of the week. not sure who else. |
| 13:34.34 | nilsf | pb_: Damn... wish we could be there :( Seems a really cool event! |
| 13:35.12 | pb_ | nilsf: Yes, I've been twice before, and it was certainly good then. |
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| 13:35.16 | mallum | florian: what happens ? |
| 13:41.37 | Wooble | is there any familiar/gpe showcase at CCC in Germany next month? |
| 13:47.46 | florian | mallum: some problems without workspaces... hacked the defaults... works now |
| 13:48.39 | mallum | florian: cool, whats it resource usage like ? |
| 13:50.09 | florian | mallum: i'd need to create a non-debug version... give me some minutes... |
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| 13:53.27 | dc_ | nilsf: hey |
| 13:53.39 | pb_ | dc_: heh, good morning |
| 13:53.44 | dc_ | heh, guess I was so tired last night I forgot to turn my box off |
| 13:55.25 | florian | mallum: how to start xkbd with decoration? |
| 14:01.16 | mallum | florian: you cant, use geometry switch to position it some where sane |
| 14:01.35 | mallum | florian: you can probably click and hold with alt pressed to move it |
| 14:03.36 | nilsf | mallum: With ALT pressed on the SIMpad? :) |
| 14:03.52 | nilsf | mallum: Oh, cool, ALT on the xlbd itself :)) ? |
| 14:05.13 | mallum | nilsf: that may work |
| 14:10.03 | nilsf | mallum: Would make a perfect example that xkbd is perfectly integrated! |
| 14:16.05 | florian | nope - this doesn't work :-/ |
| 14:17.56 | florian | is it a good idea to add a line to kill metacity to gpe-logout? |
| 14:21.09 | mallum | florian: you'll have to remove the line in xkbd.c when it sets _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE so it gets framed |
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| 14:21.20 | mccarthy | pb_: you around? |
| 14:21.23 | pb_ | mccarthy: yo |
| 14:21.26 | mccarthy | hi everyone else :) |
| 14:21.30 | mallum | florian: or patch metacity to support keyboards like tablet XP does :-) |
| 14:21.57 | mccarthy | pb_: You should get mail from me momentarily, outlining a goofy new bug I introduced in version 0.44, that I think I might ignore for now and upload anyway.... |
| 14:22.12 | mccarthy | pb_: the reason being that almost no one will ever actually *see* the bug except me |
| 14:22.28 | pb_ | heh, right. |
| 14:22.39 | pb_ | mccarthy: there is at least one dude who keeps asking where he can get 0.44, so it might be good to upload. |
| 14:22.46 | mccarthy | pb_: it has to do with setting week_starts_monday in your xsettings and then looking at the month view and clicking on a non-existent day of the month that appears there (day 0) |
| 14:23.06 | pb_ | right |
| 14:23.13 | mallum | florian: I started hacking xkbd so it would detect metacity and behave accordingly |
| 14:23.14 | pb_ | don't you Americans like your weeks to start on Sunday, anyway? |
| 14:23.24 | mccarthy | I think I told you before,however, that I cannot recreate this on my desktop so I cannot figure out where it comes from :( |
| 14:23.43 | mccarthy | oops. I mean set week_starts_monday to FALSE :) |
| 14:23.48 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:25.58 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 14:28.06 | nilsf | florian: Quite small, nice! |
| 14:30.00 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.31 | mccarthy | mallum: whats with the date?! |
| 14:30.33 | florian | :-)) |
| 14:31.05 | mccarthy | pb_: its uploaded now.... one of these days I will have you explain how month_view works so that I can fix it properly |
| 14:31.18 | mallum | mccarthy: sh-2.03# date |
| 14:31.19 | mallum | Thu Jan 1 04:08:53 UTC 1970 |
| 14:31.25 | pb_ | mccarthy: cool |
| 14:31.40 | pb_ | mccarthy: maybe I will even try to fix it myself, who knows. |
| 14:33.39 | pb_ | florian: mm, the gpe-logout situation is indeed a bit unsatisfactory. maybe we should have some kind of gpe-session-manager process to take care of this. |
| 14:34.24 | pb_ | your "killall metacity" thing is fine for the time being though. do you want me to build a new package with that change included? |
| 14:36.57 | florian | pb_: yes, let's do this some time... |
| 14:37.09 | florian | pb_: yep, would be really nice! |
| 14:37.10 | mallum | pb_: you should be able to find the current wm by means of a manager selection |
| 14:37.41 | mallum | pb_: matchbox doesn't do it ( easy to add ) but Im pretty sure metacity does |
| 14:38.43 | pb_ | ok, sounds like that would work too. |
| 14:39.28 | mallum | pb_: xprop -root |
| 14:39.31 | mallum | _WIN_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK(CARDINAL) = 31457288 |
| 14:39.31 | mallum | _NET_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK(WINDOW): window id # 0x1e00008 |
| 14:39.48 | mallum | closing window id # 0x1e00008 , may well shut the wm down |
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| 14:53.50 | florian | ok, now we have a metacity package |
| 14:54.01 | pb_ | cool |
| 14:54.44 | florian | now i need to create a meta package for familiar simpad bootstrap.... |
| 14:55.32 | pb_ | yep. the ipaq task-bootstrap is generated as part of the kernel build process, but you could also build one by hand. |
| 14:56.33 | dc_ | hrm, that's an idea. |
| 14:57.08 | dc_ | I guess we could have a zaurus task-gpe that removed opie and isntalled the correct gpe packages. |
| 14:57.21 | dc_ | that would mean they could simply run it from the opie package manager. |
| 14:57.57 | pb_ | yep, that'd be cool. |
| 14:58.23 | mallum | lazyness |
| 14:58.33 | florian | dc_: what a nice idea :-) |
| 14:58.51 | dc_ | mallum: indeeeeed. |
| 15:01.06 | mallum | Its always nice to put days of work into something and then have it abused |
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| 15:41.22 | florian | mallum: does this run on the simpad? http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xpkgs/xserver-tinyx-fbdev_4.3-11_armv4l-xscale.ipk |
| 15:44.13 | mallum | florian: yes, according to nils |
| 15:46.01 | florian | mallum: ah, ok then i'm using this right at the moment :-) |
| 15:46.13 | mallum | florian: yep |
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| 15:55.01 | florian | pb_: I have some trouble compiling gpe-bluetooth... no dbus in my toolchain... |
| 15:55.44 | pb_ | florian: ah, right. |
| 15:57.15 | florian | pb_: i'll try to use the CATS one... or compile it there |
| 16:07.04 | pb_ | right |
| 16:07.13 | pb_ | should be possible to copy the binary from the cats, but you might have pkg-config problems. |
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| 16:21.05 | florian | pb_: got it... but it wants a pin for my laptop... |
| 16:35.38 | florian | pb_: Even entering the correct pin gives me an error message (failed to connect sdp...) |
| 16:35.45 | pb_ | florian: hrm |
| 16:35.50 | florian | pb_: no offer to create a pan connection |
| 16:36.13 | pb_ | it won't offer you PAN unless SDP works. |
| 16:36.22 | pb_ | can you browse the laptop using sdptool? |
| 16:39.34 | nilsf | What is the general policy about the hh.org kernel tree? Or asked another way, is it feasable to try to add other architectures to the tree? You might guess it... SIMpad :) |
| 16:41.04 | pb_ | nilsf: Sure, by all means. |
| 16:41.13 | florian | nilsf: nice idea... (your mail) we should add "dish antennas for handhelds" :-) |
| 16:41.50 | pb_ | nilsf: we already have five different ipaq models plus axim in the tree, so adding simpad should be no problem. |
| 16:42.02 | nilsf | pb_: Oh no... couldn't you have said "no"? Would have saved a lot of work :) |
| 16:42.18 | nilsf | pb_: The Axim made it into kernel already??? Coll! |
| 16:42.30 | nilsf | s/Coll/Cool/ of course ... |
| 16:42.59 | nilsf | I was thinking about adding it because of making kernel ipk's... |
| 16:43.45 | nilsf | I currently get ~20 failed hunks when trying to patch the latest hh18b with a SIMpad diff I just made from sf.net. |
| 16:44.42 | nilsf | On the othe hand I do not like the idea of splitting kernel development up too wide. Having the SIMpad kernel on sf.net _and_ hh.org kernel for the same device could make a mess. |
| 16:44.58 | florian | pb_: this worked... after restarting gpe-bluetooth this worked too |
| 16:46.51 | nilsf | pb_: Hmm... the Axim is not in hh18b. |
| 16:47.15 | pb_ | nilsf: really? it should be, I think. |
| 16:47.36 | pb_ | florian: strange |
| 16:48.03 | nilsf | pb_: Either it has an obscure code-name or it isn't there. |
| 16:48.41 | nilsf | pb_: Anyway. I think I'll make a copy of my current hh.org kernel CVS and try to apply the SIMpad patch :) That'll be fun! |
| 16:49.14 | pb_ | nilsf: check for CONFIG_ARCH_AXIM in arch/arm/def-configs/ipaqpxa |
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| 16:50.29 | pb_ | nilsf: Okay, great! |
| 16:51.10 | nilsf | BTW: Why is hh.org kernel still rmk6 whereas there is already rmk7 available? At least the SIMpad kernel is 2.4.19-rmk7-something... |
| 16:51.54 | nilsf | pb_: Oh, dumb me, I looked in menuconfig in SA1100 implementations, sorry! |
| 16:53.13 | florian | nilsf: do we have a ts calbration too for the simpad? |
| 16:54.10 | pb_ | nilsf: Oh, heh. And I had forgotten that SIMpad was strongarm and not pxa. :-} |
| 16:55.53 | nilsf | florian: Umm... thought so. I think mallum has one in the very same directory on hh.org. |
| 16:56.39 | florian | pb_: what's the difference between cvs gpe-bluetoot and the version the feed? |
| 16:56.50 | pb_ | florian: should be nothing. |
| 16:57.25 | florian | nilsf: tslib tools? |
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| 16:59.13 | mallum | florian: ts_calibrate |
| 16:59.20 | florian | mallum: thanks |
| 17:00.19 | florian | mallum: is ther a package containing that? |
| 17:01.42 | mallum | florian: tslib-tools iirc |
| 17:04.20 | florian | mallum: ok |
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| 17:05.20 | nilsf | I think now I know why it is still rmk6 ... rmk7 does not apply at all :) |
| 17:05.45 | pb_ | ah, heh. |
| 17:05.54 | pb_ | I haven't looked at the differences between rmk6 and rmk7 yet. |
| 17:06.03 | florian | hi pierre_ |
| 17:06.08 | pierre_ | hi.. |
| 17:06.16 | pierre_ | wow.. lot of people.. |
| 17:06.30 | nilsf | pb_: Ah! Again dumb me, must be the heat... I tried to apply -rmk7 patch which is for sure against vanilla 2.4.19 :(( |
| 17:07.14 | nilsf | Is there a tool to create an incremental patch from two patches :) ? |
| 17:07.15 | pierre_ | nilsf: so, what is the good tarball to use with your libs? |
| 17:07.38 | nilsf | pierre_: Um... sorry, what? |
| 17:07.55 | nilsf | pierre_: Do you mean the cross-tools? |
| 17:07.59 | pierre_ | yes. |
| 17:08.05 | nilsf | pierre_: Ah! |
| 17:08.18 | pierre_ | the are at least 10 tarball wich one is the good? |
| 17:08.43 | nilsf | pierre_: I think it should it should be the cross-complete thing. If in doubt... mompls... |
| 17:08.58 | nilsf | pierre_: Where are _10_ of those? |
| 17:09.45 | pierre_ | http://handhelds.org/download/toolchain/ |
| 17:09.48 | nilsf | pierre_: I have "231M skiff" on my hdd with some changes I did not track :( Maybe I should simply upload a new version. OK? |
| 17:10.02 | pierre_ | in /skiff? |
| 17:10.13 | pierre_ | there are here lot of toolchains |
| 17:10.29 | pierre_ | all the one I had time to download install in /usr/local.. |
| 17:11.14 | pierre_ | nilsf: yes it is an idea. |
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| 17:11.28 | nilsf | pierre_: Hmm... I still base upon the "old" 2.95.2 compiler, that's why it is /skiff. |
| 17:11.36 | pb_ | nilsf: Yes, I think Tim Waugh wrote a script called "interdiff" that can do that. |
| 17:11.38 | nilsf | pierre_: OK, I am already bzipping it up. |
| 17:11.56 | nilsf | pb_: Whow! Cool, got to get this :) |
| 17:12.08 | pierre_ | pb_: what do you use to compile? |
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| 17:12.56 | nilsf | pb_: Debian: "nils@idoru[/opt]apt-cache search interdiff \\ patchutils - Utilities to work with patches" |
| 17:12.57 | florian | which package provides /usr/bin/x-window-manager? |
| 17:13.03 | nilsf | pb_: Incredible, isn't it? |
| 17:14.16 | nilsf | Perfect: usage: interdiff [OPTIONS] patch1 patch2 |
| 17:15.02 | nilsf | pierre_: OK. Are 57MB. I'll upload that and let you know. |
| 17:15.13 | pierre_ | ok thanx! |
| 17:15.56 | mallum | florian: usually the window manager :-) |
| 17:16.49 | pb_ | pierre_: Mostly I compile natively on my CATS using gcc 3.3 from Debian unstable. |
| 17:16.58 | nilsf | pierre_: OK, should be there in ~1/2 hour in ~nils/skiff-arm-cross-gtk-2.2-idoru-030716.tar.bz2 |
| 17:16.58 | florian | mallum: ok... |
| 17:17.03 | pb_ | pierre_: for kernels and other large builds I use a gcc 3.3 cross compiler on my desktop machine. |
| 17:17.14 | florian | mallum: ipkg files matchbox | grep window |
| 17:17.31 | nilsf | pierre_: Yes, that's a drawback of my /skiff chain, no PXA support. |
| 17:17.37 | florian | mallum: no, it's not matchbox... |
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| 17:17.47 | pb_ | nilsf: yes, it's certainly a clever tool. |
| 17:17.58 | dc_ | heh |
| 17:18.06 | nilsf | pb_: We'll see how clever it is shortly :) |
| 17:18.16 | pb_ | dc_: your dad isn't driving his tractor again, surely? |
| 17:18.44 | florian | # ipkg search /usr/bin/x-window-manager |
| 17:18.50 | florian | returns nothing too... |
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| 17:18.56 | mallum | florian: you have to use update-alternates for it |
| 17:18.56 | florian | grrrr... |
| 17:18.59 | dc_ | damn wifi |
| 17:19.53 | florian | mallum: ah... |
| 17:20.20 | florian | i'll create a cooler metacity package |
| 17:20.44 | mallum | florian: did ts_calibrate work for you ? |
| 17:23.43 | florian | mallum: not tested yet |
| 17:24.01 | nilsf | pb_: I just sent you the rmk6 -> rmk7 interdiff by email, in case you'd like to have a look at it. |
| 17:24.45 | florian | what's the syntax for update-alternatives to override x-window-manager that starts matchbox? |
| 17:24.49 | pb_ | nilsf: thanks! just saw the mail. |
| 17:24.51 | nilsf | pb_: Whow! Only << 10 rejects! |
| 17:25.42 | nilsf | pierre_: 33:50 ETA :( |
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| 17:27.18 | pierre_ | nilsf: no problem.. |
| 17:27.53 | nilsf | cmarqu_: I also added the new cross-package to the WiKi page... |
| 17:28.53 | mallum | florian: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-window-manager x-window-manager /usr/b\ |
| 17:28.54 | mallum | in/mbsession 10001 |
| 17:29.02 | nilsf | Just a general idea: Wouldn't the Debian people be interested in (building) cross development packages? |
| 17:29.03 | cmarqu_ | nilsf: Cool. |
| 17:29.15 | pb_ | nilsf: Yes, indeed. This was the idea behind the toolchain-source package. |
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| 17:29.36 | pb_ | I did put some stuff on the web about building cross toolchains with debian. let me find the url again. |
| 17:29.48 | nilsf | pb_: Ah, OK. Which toolchain-source :) ? |
| 17:29.54 | florian | mallum: ok, thanks... ok - i think i need a higher priority?! |
| 17:30.23 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/~pb/deb-toolchain.html has links to the source for a toolchain-source-based cross compiler package |
| 17:30.36 | mallum | florian: if you think metacity is more useful on a handheld then yes |
| 17:30.44 | pb_ | florian: yes, the one with the higher priority will win if both are installed. |
| 17:31.18 | nilsf | mallum: At least it makes more sense on something like the SIMpad :) |
| 17:31.56 | florian | mallum: nope beware, only for special cases like simpad... i think noone want's to install metacity on a small screen device... |
| 17:32.35 | florian | mallum: the simpad should have the matchbox package installed for mbdock and mbdesktop |
| 17:32.45 | nilsf | pb_: 30 failed hunks in rmk6->rmk7 on hh18b... oh well... |
| 17:33.45 | mallum | florian: yep I need to break the matchbox package up |
| 17:34.06 | florian | mallum: would be nice, yes |
| 17:35.18 | mallum | florian: If you set it higher, just check first you can safely ipkg remove metacity and matchbox kicks back in ok |
| 17:35.34 | mallum | florian: I've had problems with update-alternatives in the past ... |
| 17:36.12 | florian | mallum: i'll test this when i try to create images for the simpad |
| 17:36.20 | mallum | ok |
| 17:38.31 | florian | is there a way to make gpe-dm show up centered? |
| 17:38.49 | pb_ | gpe-login, you mean? hm, good question. |
| 17:38.57 | pb_ | probably needs some code changes. |
| 17:39.58 | florian | ok, later... |
| 17:40.15 | nilsf | Not only this... IIRC there are also some things hardcoded in the startup (Xinit) script to place the keyboard etc. |
| 17:42.46 | florian | ok, we have an improved metacity package |
| 17:43.02 | pb_ | great. |
| 17:43.19 | pb_ | nilsf: Ah yes, right. That probably does need some tweaking as well. |
| 17:44.32 | florian | bbl |
| 17:45.03 | pb_ | florian: later |
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| 17:57.04 | treke | mornin |
| 17:58.16 | nilsf | treke: Hi! |
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| 18:14.34 | nilsf | Just for the record... I think I have the SIMpad kernel patch in the kernel now... |
| 18:15.11 | nilsf | pierre_: The toolchain is online! |
| 18:19.16 | pierre_ | nilsf: cool! |
| 18:25.27 | nilsf | pierre_: Please tell me if you encounter any problems... |
| 18:26.01 | nilsf | pierre_: For hints on using it look at http://www.handhelds.org/~nils/x86-cross.html |
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| 18:37.05 | nilsf | pb_: SIMpad patch is applied, iPAQ kernel still compiles but SIMpad kernel suffers from audio driver changes :( |
| 18:37.44 | nilsf | pb_: Have to look at it tomorrow. But I fear that I will have to drop audio support for SIMpad for now... the DMA rewrite requires lots of changes to old code. |
| 18:40.06 | pb_ | nilsf: aha, right, yes. The iPAQ audio drivers were broken for a long time because of that change as well. |
| 18:40.23 | nilsf | pb_: Yes I know... until I backported them from 2.5 again :) |
| 18:40.37 | pb_ | oh yes, of course :-) |
| 18:41.02 | nilsf | pb_: It suddenly occured to me too when I looked into the SIMpad sources and saw all those suspicious parts again... shudder :) |
| 18:41.48 | treke | hmmm the oss drivers work again? |
| 18:42.01 | treke | Are they preferable to the also code? |
| 18:42.02 | nilsf | treke: Sure! |
| 18:42.53 | nilsf | treke: At least I think so. They also have, at least for me, the positive effect that mp3 playback from MMC does not stutter (at times it has delays with ALSA). |
| 18:43.19 | treke | hmmm. maybe I'll start doing builds with them again |
| 18:43.37 | nilsf | treke: Sure, try! If something fails, please tell me. |
| 18:43.58 | nilsf | treke: You just have to adjust the boot scripts accordingly. |
| 18:44.06 | nilsf | So guy, have to go. |
| 18:44.11 | nilsf | Good night, CU tomorrow! |
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| 18:44.20 | treke | Yeah, the boot scripts arent a problem for me :) |
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| 19:24.36 | spung | (defun euros (n) |
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| 19:24.36 | spung | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.36 | spung | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.41 | spung | erm |
| 19:24.44 | spung | oops |
| 19:25.08 | treke | he's one of 'those' programmers |
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| 19:50.30 | florian_ | hi all |
| 19:50.39 | pb_ | hi florian_ |
| 19:55.58 | pierre_ | mhh.. how nils can link any app without libX11.so? |
| 19:57.00 | pierre_ | mmhh apperently it exists but ld dont fund it.. |
| 19:59.36 | florian_ipaq | pierre_: he can`t... pass -L/path to lib -lX11 to the gcc/linker |
| 20:02.47 | pierre_ | pierre_: yes it is in /skiff/local/arm-linux/lib/X11 |
| 20:03.17 | pierre_ | florian_ipaq: the problem is for every gpe app |
| 20:03.36 | pierre_ | florian_ipaq: shall I modify the /skiff/local/arm-linux/lib/pkgconfig/gtk+-2.0.pc ? |
| 20:03.58 | florian_ipaq | pierre_: the linker doesn`t find anything in ...X11 |
| 20:04.11 | florian_ipaq | is this the error? |
| 20:05.00 | herzi | florian_ipaq: prollo |
| 20:05.02 | herzi | :) |
| 20:06.26 | florian_ipaq | hi herzi |
| 20:07.16 | herzi | florian_ipaq: happy with linuxtag? |
| 20:07.20 | pierre_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.29 | pierre_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.34 | pierre_ | warning: libX11.so.6, needed by /skiff/local/arm-linux/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so, not found |
| 20:08.00 | pierre_ | I now have the -L /skiff/local/arm-linux/lib/X11 |
| 20:08.43 | florian_ipaq | herzi: yep... really... |
| 20:08.46 | florian_ipaq | brb |
| 20:14.26 | florian_ipaq | re |
| 20:14.59 | florian_ipaq | pierre_: ok, now add all missing libs manually |
| 20:16.40 | pierre_ | that done.. I dont understant why nils have not done that.. |
| 20:16.51 | pierre_ | maybe he has a special $LDFLAGS |
| 20:17.29 | pierre_ | florian_ipaq: now I have a problem with XineramaIsActive |
| 20:17.48 | pierre_ | there is a msg in the archive |
| 20:18.10 | florian_ipaq | pierre_: -lXinerama |
| 20:18.46 | florian_ipaq | this problem with the linker must be trivial... |
| 20:23.52 | flypiper | ibot: message for mallum I just ordered a TC1000, should be in my hands tomorrow! I might need some direction installing debian on it, please let me know if there are any docs....thanks |
| 20:28.18 | pierre_ | florian_ipaq: for a reason I dont understand, -lXinerama dont work. |
| 20:28.50 | pierre_ | there is a libXinemara.a that is 5ko :( |
| 20:29.05 | pierre_ | I m doing a fake libXinemara.so |
| 20:29.17 | pierre_ | that return no |
| 20:30.20 | florian_ipaq | hmm... i should trx to figure out what`s wrong with that chain |
| 20:31.50 | pierre_ | florian_ipaq: mmh typo. it is not Xinemara it is Xinerama.. :/ |
| 20:32.17 | pierre_ | pierre_: *I 'm* wrong with that chain :) |
| 20:33.16 | florian_ipaq | oops.. sorrq |
| 20:33.41 | florian_ipaq | eh... you know what i mean... |
| 20:34.09 | pierre_ | :) |
| 20:34.40 | florian_ipaq | ok, finished here... booting my pc now |
| 20:34.43 | pierre_ | do you kow what is dbus-glib-1 |
| 20:35.24 | florian_ipaq | yep... dbus with glib support afaik |
| 20:35.29 | pierre_ | need by gpe-bluetooth |
| 20:35.39 | pierre_ | mmh and what is dbus? |
| 20:36.15 | pierre_ | ok.. google say me.. |
| 20:36.18 | florian_ipaq | a nice bus-like ipc protocol suite |
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| 20:44.40 | florian | better... |
| 20:45.27 | florian | Did Nils have any success with the sompad kernel? |
| 20:58.55 | cmarqu_ | ibot: botmail for flypiper: mallum has http://handhelds.org/~mallum/tabletpc/tabletpc-tc1000-debian-notes.txt |
| 21:15.20 | florian | yeyks, what a cool thunderstorm... |
| 21:27.38 | pb_ | heh. we had a big thunderstorm here a few hours ago. seems to have calmed down now, so we're back to just hot and humid. |
| 21:28.02 | pb_ | florian: <nilsf> pb_: SIMpad patch is applied, iPAQ kernel still compiles but SIMpad kernel suffers from audio driver changes :( |
| 21:28.40 | florian | pb_: yes, the same her too... oh, ole just arrived :-) |
| 21:28.46 | florian | s/her/here |
| 21:30.42 | florian | pb_: ah, that's good... i hope we will be able to create our first real familar-simpad image tomorrow :-) |
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| 21:31.27 | pb_ | florian: yep, that'd be excellent :-) |
| 21:33.21 | florian | hmm.. where to find this stupid button daemon for the simpad? |
| 21:33.41 | pb_ | what's the button daemon? |
| 21:34.52 | florian | nils said something about a daemon for buttons lately... i left my simpad at kc... no idea what this is? |
| 21:35.10 | pb_ | not really, unless he meant something like keylaunch. |
| 21:35.35 | florian | pb_: i think so.. |
| 21:35.46 | florian | pb_: any comment about /etc/X11/gpe-login.geometry |
| 21:36.53 | pb_ | florian: to be read by the xinit script? sounds like a good idea. |
| 21:37.04 | florian | HUUU |
| 21:37.12 | florian | brb |
| 21:37.17 | pb_ | ! |
| 21:38.19 | cmarqu_ | He coud have meant buttond, by pigeon. |
| 21:38.44 | pb_ | Oh yeah. |
| 21:38.49 | cmarqu_ | Off to bed. Night all. |
| 21:39.03 | flypiper | cmarqu_: night |
| 21:47.01 | florian | re |
| 21:47.12 | florian | my wireless lan behaves in a very strange way... |
| 21:47.30 | florian | cmarqu_: night |
| 21:47.44 | florian | This was near by... really near! |
| 21:48.47 | florian | pb_: to be read by gpe-login... |
| 21:49.09 | pb_ | florian: oh right. yes, that would be fine also. |
| 21:49.59 | florian | pb_: yep, really... ok, lets try to hack a string for this purpose |
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| 22:08.46 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 22:08.50 | jsmanrique | how long |
| 22:09.21 | jsmanrique | is getting hard for me to get a internet connection these days to talk with you |
| 22:10.08 | pb_ | jsmanrique: hi :-) |
| 22:10.27 | jsmanrique | pb_: hi! |
| 22:11.12 | jsmanrique | any news on gpe? despite d-bus use |
| 22:11.42 | florian | hi jsmanrique |
| 22:11.53 | pb_ | not a lot new in unstable. the familiar 0.7 release is happening right now, though. |
| 22:12.11 | jsmanrique | I can confirm that on September I'll give another talk about GPE in National Linux Congress |
| 22:12.18 | pb_ | That's cool. |
| 22:12.54 | jsmanrique | I'll be helped by two friends of mine (who I introduced them on GPE world), and we will do some demos about wireless i.e. |
| 22:13.15 | jsmanrique | one of them is the one who has "collect" the NOIA icons |
| 22:13.30 | jsmanrique | and the other one uses wireless too much, I think |
| 22:13.38 | pb_ | jsmanrique: go to the new handhelds.org website and add an event entry for your talk :-) |
| 22:13.42 | florian | jsmanrique: cool... tell me if you need some special wireless stuff :-) |
| 22:14.40 | jsmanrique | he usually have chat using his laptop, but with the iPAQ his wife is happier because she hasn't to hear the laptop fan :-) |
| 22:15.12 | jsmanrique | pb_: sure, when I have the right date I'll post it |
| 22:15.26 | jsmanrique | florian: thanks, I am not the wireless expert here :-) |
| 22:15.54 | jsmanrique | florian: but I think I need some kind of that for my PC, laptop and handhelds to get them connected |
| 22:16.07 | florian | jsmanrique: ok |
| 22:16.46 | florian | night all - cu tomorrow! |
| 22:16.47 | pb_ | florian: heh, g'night |
| 22:16.54 | jsmanrique | florian: night |
| 22:17.05 | flypiper | florian: g'night |
| 22:19.34 | jsmanrique | I hope we could get some "help" from HP Spain, but that's not sure.. because as we will talk about iPAQs, maybe they would be interested |
| 22:19.49 | jsmanrique | any of you working on h1910 line? |
| 22:20.11 | jsmanrique | what's linexec? a new bootloader? |
| 22:20.58 | pb_ | yes. linexec is a program to launch linux directly from inside pocketpc, without needing to flash bootldr. |
| 22:21.18 | pb_ | the axim and h1900 ports both use linexec for booting at the moment because they have no bootldr port. |
| 22:26.04 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 22:29.00 | pierre_ | night all |
| 22:30.56 | jsmanrique | have you seen this?: http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3540266275.html |
| 22:34.26 | pb_ | hah, no. |
| 22:37.58 | fishy | thats a screwed up article... |
| 22:39.18 | jsmanrique | :-) |
| 22:40.24 | fishy | lol |
| 22:40.41 | fishy | the windowsfordevices.com webserver has a 7 day uptime :P |
| 22:44.29 | fishy | also paid by Microsoft to develop a cost estimation framework for evaluating embedded development platforms. should give you a hint on why windows won :P |
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| 23:17.02 | jsmanrique | night |
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| 23:37.50 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for mibus: fyi, handhelds.org main site is now using geeklog. seems to be working ok so far. |