| 02:26.58 | AntiProxy | *yawn* |
| 02:28.27 | pigeon | AntiProxy: Good morning |
| 02:28.45 | AntiProxy | morning .) |
| 02:28.57 | AntiProxy | haha |
| 02:29.00 | pigeon | LOL |
| 02:29.08 | AntiProxy | -AntiProxy- TIME get a watch! |
| 02:29.21 | AntiProxy | i thought i was the only one .) |
| 02:29.38 | pigeon | Ah yeah, that. |
| 02:29.59 | pigeon | In fact, I've finally added timestamp, so in fact I can fix that now. |
| 02:30.08 | pigeon | Just don't bother doing it :) |
| 02:30.37 | AntiProxy | i'm starving |
| 02:30.49 | AntiProxy | i fell asleep last night while watching TV |
| 02:30.51 | AntiProxy | woke up now |
| 02:30.56 | AntiProxy | no dinner in between |
| 02:30.57 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 02:31.24 | AntiProxy | ( and i slept 7 hours,, whish is just not like me ) |
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| 07:33.55 | florian | hi all |
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| 08:25.12 | florian | hi mallum! |
| 08:30.40 | mallum | hey florian |
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| 08:57.07 | pb_ | morning |
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| 09:03.59 | AntiProxy | morning |
| 09:04.52 | pb_ | hey AntiProxy |
| 09:05.30 | AntiProxy | pb_: how goes it? |
| 09:09.15 | pb_ | good, I guess. still debugging usb drivers. :-} |
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| 09:17.42 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 09:19.10 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 09:19.11 | florian | hi herzi |
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| 09:33.14 | pb_ | florian: I checked in a very preliminary version of "nsqld", which is a simple sql server. you might like to take a look if you have some spare time. |
| 09:33.23 | pb_ | haven't written a client library to talk to it yet, though. |
| 09:34.56 | florian | pb_: yep, i rwad it in the cvs digest :-) cool! |
| 09:36.07 | pb_ | florian: aha :-) |
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| 09:39.21 | florian | pb_: I'll try to get some time to look at it... but it may be difficult. |
| 09:40.53 | pb_ | florian: sure, no problem. |
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| 10:00.19 | cmarqu_ | florian: Are you at Linuxtag? |
| 10:00.41 | cmarqu_ | But I'll leave soon. |
| 10:02.27 | pb_ | hi cmarqu_ |
| 10:02.33 | cmarqu_ | Hi pb_ |
| 10:05.05 | mallum | cmarqu_: MOOOOO |
| 10:05.11 | mallum | :-) |
| 10:05.44 | cmarqu_ | Hi mallum. Are you coming too? |
| 10:06.10 | mallum | cmarqu_: no, my life is too hectic at the moment |
| 10:06.30 | cmarqu_ | Wedding preparations? |
| 10:08.08 | mallum | yeah , I have to spend my weekends doing stuff for that |
| 10:08.15 | mallum | next year :-) |
| 10:08.23 | mallum | cmarqu_: I never been to germany either |
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| 10:09.51 | cmarqu_ | Ok. |
| 10:11.03 | florian | cmarqu_: shure |
| 10:13.41 | florian | cmarqu_: are you around? we are at E14 |
| 10:13.51 | cmarqu_ | florian: Do you have any flyers printed? |
| 10:14.04 | cmarqu_ | florian: I'll be there in a while, but I am not yet. |
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| 10:21.17 | cmarqu_ | florian: In case some guys asks for me, tell him I'll be there at some point. |
| 10:23.40 | Ge0rG | good morning |
| 10:27.55 | cmarqu_ | Hi Ge0rG |
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| 10:54.35 | cmarqu_ | Argh. Now my touchscreen is not working anymore. |
| 10:54.55 | cmarqu_ | And the login screen is sideways. |
| 10:55.11 | cmarqu_ | (although in portrait mode) |
| 10:55.29 | pb_ | Sounds like you have a problem with the kernel-modules. |
| 10:55.41 | pb_ | Those two symptoms normally mean that h3600_hal and/or h3600_micro have not loaded. |
| 10:55.48 | cmarqu_ | Ah. |
| 10:56.54 | florian | cmarqu_: maybe a missing depmod -a call |
| 10:57.54 | cmarqu_ | florian: Do you have a serial cradle/cable at LT? |
| 10:58.34 | cmarqu_ | depmod: No such file or directory |
| 10:58.35 | cmarqu_ | Ah. |
| 10:59.14 | pb_ | Ah. Are you using unstable? |
| 10:59.18 | pb_ | if so, ipkg install modutils-depmod |
| 10:59.22 | cmarqu_ | Yep. |
| 11:00.21 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 11:00.51 | cmarqu_ | Gotta shower first, BBIAB |
| 11:20.13 | florian | cmarqu_: yep |
| 11:28.23 | cmarqu_ | Hell, ppp doesn't work anymore now. |
| 11:28.43 | cmarqu_ | Anyway, I'm leaving for LT now. |
| 11:32.06 | florian | cmarqu_: cool, cu later :-) |
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| 11:44.33 | florian | herzi: hi |
| 11:45.08 | herzi | tach florian |
| 11:53.31 | pb_ | florian: by the way, I just ordered a Z SL-C750. So, you could tell Nils that this should be a supported platform for the CF card within the next week or two. |
| 12:09.16 | mallum | pb_: cool :-) |
| 12:09.33 | mallum | pb_: order it from conics ? |
| 12:17.55 | pb_ | no, from brando.com.hk |
| 12:21.22 | mallum | pb_: hmm, how heard of that one before - they cheapest ? |
| 12:21.51 | pb_ | well, conics never answered my emails. but yes, brando seems to be a little cheaper. |
| 12:22.37 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 12:22.54 | mallum | pb_: do you know if sharp have released the source yet for the 750 kernels ? |
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| 13:37.32 | *** topic/#gpe is GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://handhelds.org/bugzilla | Familiar 0.7 issues: http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 | Visit comp.os.linux.embedded newsgroup | Familiar 0.7-rc3 now at http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7/install/ |
| 13:38.44 | AntiProxy | shouldn't gpe-conf be calling '/usr/bin/xtscal' instead of '/usr/X11R6/bin/xcalibrate' now? |
| 13:40.10 | pb_ | probably, yes. |
| 13:40.16 | mallum | florian: yeah as does drwright, quark, phonemgr etc .... |
| 13:40.35 | mallum | florian: start something from the desktop |
| 13:40.40 | mallum | florian: to see new effect |
| 13:40.42 | AntiProxy | pb_: i tried creating a symlink to xcalibrate for testing.. apparently the solution isn't as easy |
| 13:40.58 | AntiProxy | pb_: xtscal runs after gpe-conf exits |
| 13:41.00 | mallum | pb_: should xstcal be called xipaqtscal ? |
| 13:42.50 | pb_ | mallum: no, I don't think so. |
| 13:43.01 | pb_ | AntiProxy: oh, hm, strange. I would have expected that to work. |
| 13:43.13 | mallum | pb_: its not ipaq only ? |
| 13:43.20 | pb_ | mallum: not conceptually, no. |
| 13:44.54 | mallum | pb_: but practically ? ;-) |
| 13:45.16 | pb_ | right now, yes, but that doesn't seem like a good reason to change the name of the program. |
| 13:46.51 | florian | mallum: i'm not shure wether i restarted matchbox... what does the new one? |
| 13:47.26 | mallum | florian: restart it and you'll see |
| 13:47.44 | florian | mallum: ok.... |
| 13:49.25 | pb_ | florian: do you have any idea what might be the case of AntiProxy's strange behaviour with gpe-conf and xtscal? |
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| 13:59.52 | florian | pb_: hmm... but let me look into the source |
| 14:00.14 | mallum | pb_: where is the source for xstcal ? I'll grab it and see if I can hack tslib support into it |
| 14:00.37 | AntiProxy | erm |
| 14:00.42 | AntiProxy | my strange behaviour eh? |
| 14:00.44 | AntiProxy | hehe |
| 14:02.15 | florian | pb_: gpe-bluetooth dies with this message: "Failed to connect to SDP server ..." |
| 14:03.32 | AntiProxy | didn't know it needed sdpd to work |
| 14:03.49 | AntiProxy | though dbus-1 dying every now n then seems to irritate gpe-bluetooth here |
| 14:04.16 | florian | ahh, cool.. |
| 14:04.49 | florian | __moray: we have one chair and some space on a table for hacking too :-) |
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| 14:09.23 | pb_ | mallum: in /cvs/apps I think |
| 14:09.40 | pb_ | AntiProxy, florian: yeah, sdpd is required. |
| 14:10.34 | florian | pb_: but it shoudn't die scanning for devices.. |
| 14:11.17 | AntiProxy | umm |
| 14:11.29 | AntiProxy | sdpd isn't running here.. |
| 14:11.38 | AntiProxy | i just switched radio on, and scanned with gpt-bluetooth |
| 14:11.58 | florian | i hahe about 15 dedvices in range :-) |
| 14:12.11 | AntiProxy | i can't think of a reason why sdpd is needed for discovery |
| 14:12.25 | AntiProxy | thought it's used only to set up listening services if i may call them so |
| 14:12.48 | AntiProxy | speaking of gpe-bluetooth... i guess we need to find a way to keep dbus-1 from dying |
| 14:12.54 | AntiProxy | or at least respawn it if it does |
| 14:13.13 | pb_ | AntiProxy: yeah, clearly dbus-1 shouldn't be crashing. |
| 14:13.29 | pb_ | I thought sdpd was needed for browsing too, but maybe I imagined that. |
| 14:13.38 | pb_ | florian: true, gpe-bluetooth should be more robust. |
| 14:14.45 | florian | pb_: maybe a problem that occurs while scanning... this takes some time here... |
| 14:14.49 | AntiProxy | haha.. just got an SMS saying "lets get drunk tonight" |
| 14:14.53 | pb_ | heh |
| 14:14.55 | AntiProxy | i guess i have something to look up to |
| 14:37.48 | florian | pb_: is there a difference in the interrupt handling from 36xx to 38xx? |
| 14:38.36 | pb_ | florian: shouldn't be. any particular interrupts? |
| 14:39.44 | florian | pb_: my ipaq freezes in monitor mode with heavy traffic and colins doesn't do so... |
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| 14:54.23 | pb_ | florian: ah, strange. |
| 14:54.59 | pb_ | florian: the pcmcia interrupt lines go directly into strongarm GPIOs, so they should be identical. |
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| 15:23.31 | pb_ | florian: btw, I now have my USB disk working okay on the ipaq. not sure if this was the same problem that Nils was having, but I can send you a new set of driver modules if you would like to have a go. |
| 15:32.42 | florian | pb_: i see... theproblem is located elswhere. monitor mode works with wlan-ng but not with orinoco and hostap |
| 15:33.17 | florian | pb_: hey, cool yes - we have an usb disk here that would be cool to have :-) |
| 15:41.09 | pb_ | florian: ok. are you able to read email where you are, or should I put the files on the web? |
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| 15:41.26 | florian | pb_: email is ok.... |
| 15:41.35 | pb_ | cool |
| 15:44.51 | __moray | hm, the network here seems to be surprisingly fast - my dist-upgrade of this laptop is going along happily |
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| 15:48.04 | mallum | pb_: is it possible to 'emulate' a framebuffer device, by making a fake device thats really a fifo or summin ? |
| 15:49.03 | pb_ | mallum: at the /dev/fb0 level you mean? not easily, though I think there is a dummyfb driver included with the kernel that would do the job. |
| 15:49.56 | mallum | pb_: and then with another program could you collect data written to that device ? |
| 15:50.29 | pb_ | mallum: yeah. a framebuffer is ultimately just a chunk of RAM, so you can read it as well as write. |
| 15:50.54 | mallum | pb_: right |
| 15:51.44 | mallum | pb_: so you could just mmap it with another process and read anything written there ? |
| 15:52.28 | pb_ | florian: mail sent |
| 15:52.29 | pb_ | mallum: yep |
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| 15:52.43 | florian | pb_: cool, thanks! |
| 15:52.44 | pb_ | you can mmap the framebuffer as many times as you want. |
| 15:53.23 | mallum | pb_: :-) muhahahaha |
| 15:54.14 | __moray | mallum: going to make matchbox bypass X? ;) |
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| 15:54.51 | Ge0rG | re ;) |
| 15:56.45 | mallum | __moray: bypass woosy user space |
| 15:57.09 | mallum | __moray: ;-) |
| 15:57.30 | mallum | pb_: any idea where dummyfb is ? |
| 15:58.31 | pb_ | oh, I thought it was in drivers/video. not there? |
| 15:58.41 | pb_ | might be called skeletonfb or something else |
| 15:58.42 | mallum | I've found a dummycon |
| 15:58.51 | mallum | ah right yeah theres a skeletonfb |
| 16:02.41 | mallum | pb_: right so I can just hack that a bit to build a fake one and just mmap some real memory, rather than video memory , right ? |
| 16:05.47 | pb_ | yep |
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| 16:38.01 | __moray | florian: hi? how are you guys getting on? |
| 16:38.44 | Ge0rG | florian is showing a simpad SL4 to some guys right now ;) |
| 16:47.44 | florian | Ge0rG: we.. cool! |
| 16:47.56 | florian | bbt |
| 17:12.45 | mallum | pb_: aha vfb.c :-) |
| 17:13.18 | pb_ | aha |
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| 18:24.49 | cmarqu_ | pb_: There is a slight change tomorrow. We'll go by train, since there is a very cheap ticket for groups. |
| 18:25.07 | pb_ | cmarqu_: Aha. |
| 18:25.31 | cmarqu_ | pb_: So, you'd only go to Hauptbahnhof. |
| 18:25.41 | cmarqu_ | And we'd join you there. |
| 18:26.13 | pb_ | Okay, cool. Let me check my ticket now and find out what time I am supposed to arrive. |
| 18:26.48 | pb_ | 10:45, apparently. |
| 18:26.49 | cmarqu_ | pb_: You didn't have a train ticket already, did you? |
| 18:26.53 | pb_ | cmarqu_: No. |
| 18:26.57 | cmarqu_ | Okay. |
| 18:27.26 | pb_ | I was originally planning just to buy a ticket at the time. |
| 18:27.39 | cmarqu_ | So. if we start at 10:45 here, we'd probably be at the same time at the main station as you. |
| 18:27.59 | pb_ | Right, sounds good. |
| 18:28.02 | cmarqu_ | pb_: What is your flight number? I can then check online. |
| 18:28.13 | pb_ | LH5961 |
| 18:29.25 | cmarqu_ | Okay. Try to give me a call as soon as you are allowed to operate your phone here. |
| 18:29.45 | pb_ | Will do. |
| 18:34.39 | cmarqu_ | scap shows some active networks in gpe-aerial from LT now. |
| 18:43.11 | pb_ | Ah yes. And many bluetooth devices as well. |
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| 19:17.21 | dc_ | thank god |
| 19:17.30 | dc_ | got a new isp :} |
| 19:20.19 | pb_ | dc_: wahey |
| 19:20.28 | PaxAnima | evening, dc_ |
| 19:20.34 | pb_ | dc_: I can already see your connection is much more stable. |
| 19:23.28 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:23.29 | dc_ | yeah |
| 19:23.30 | dc_ | and now I can stay connected for atleast 6 hours. |
| 19:23.40 | dc_ | at a time |
| 19:23.43 | dc_ | which is nice |
| 19:25.00 | pb_ | ah, cool. |
| 19:29.04 | pb_ | dc_: so, I ordered a c750 Z today. |
| 19:29.18 | dc_ | wahay |
| 19:29.19 | dc_ | pb_: :DD |
| 19:30.31 | pb_ | yep. just hope it doesn't take too long to arrive. |
| 19:30.55 | dc_ | indeex. |
| 19:31.03 | dc_ | is it the one with the black screen? |
| 19:31.03 | pb_ | did you install familiar on your c700, or are you using openzaurus? |
| 19:31.22 | pb_ | not sure, actually. all I know is that it's a c750 :-} |
| 19:32.06 | dc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.18 | pb_ | right |
| 19:32.44 | dc_ | how much memory has the 750 got? |
| 19:33.20 | pb_ | 64MB I think |
| 19:34.26 | dc_ | ah cool. |
| 19:44.56 | dc_ | eek |
| 19:45.12 | pb_ | why eek? |
| 19:45.28 | dc_ | well...it seems mysql thinks the date is 238 |
| 19:45.32 | dc_ | 2038 |
| 19:45.36 | pb_ | oh dear. heh. |
| 19:45.40 | dc_ | any ideas where it gets that from? |
| 19:45.59 | pb_ | nope. is your system time right? |
| 19:46.12 | dc_ | well, problem is it's not my system. heh |
| 19:46.19 | dc_ | on well, I guess I'll have to use php's time |
| 19:46.28 | dc_ | which seems to be correct. |
| 19:46.29 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:46.29 | pb_ | ah, I see |
| 19:46.32 | pb_ | heh |
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| 20:50.56 | pb_ | hm, is there any easy way to find out whether a miniwave is running? |
| 20:51.06 | pb_ | other than checking the process table, obviously. |
| 21:32.51 | mallum | pb_: the could grep the child windows of the panel |
| 21:34.21 | mallum | pb_: is there a problem with it ? |
| 21:48.16 | pb_ | mallum: no, no problem |
| 21:49.46 | mallum | pb_: I just looked at autostarter, and see now . nice :-) |
| 21:51.09 | mallum | pb_: Itd be cool if application .desktop files could register a dbus message to be started/stopped on |
| 21:51.33 | pb_ | yes, that'd be a neat idea. |
| 21:53.35 | mallum | Also I mean to add some hooks into the panel, like the way mb lists running apps on the desktop so it should be easy to find whats running there |
| 21:53.51 | pb_ | excellent |
| 21:54.38 | mallum | running apps on the root window rather |
| 21:54.53 | mallum | also the panel apps list there _WM_NET_PID as well so easy to kill |
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| 22:19.11 | pb_ | g'night |
| 22:19.20 | pb_ | I'll be back online tomorrow from linuxtag, I guess. |
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