| 00:12.11 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 00:14.39 | pigeon | yes yes yes |
| 01:35.10 | AntiProxy | hi everyone .) |
| 01:36.04 | AntiProxy | i was playing around with Vice (C64/vice 128 emulator) and i noticed it doesn't take input from xkbd or xstroke |
| 01:36.13 | AntiProxy | it only works with my microkeyboard |
| 01:36.17 | AntiProxy | any idea why? |
| 01:36.24 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.14179.png |
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| 01:57.40 | Thelonius | hola |
| 02:12.58 | spung | AntiProxy: nice backgrounds you have, maybe we should set up some site to put these kind of backgrounds? |
| 02:14.33 | AntiProxy | spung: that last one i took from the opening for "The One" ( the movie ) |
| 02:14.34 | AntiProxy | .) |
| 02:14.34 | *** part/#gpe treke|home (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-065-151.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 02:15.12 | AntiProxy | but yeah.. gpe deserves a themes section on the site.. |
| 02:15.16 | AntiProxy | ( opie has opie-look ) |
| 02:15.21 | spung | quite so |
| 02:15.37 | spung | at least backgrounds |
| 02:15.48 | spung | since mb's themes are packages |
| 02:15.51 | spung | packaged |
| 02:19.32 | AntiProxy | hmmmm |
| 02:19.38 | AntiProxy | one nice scap coming up .) |
| 02:21.15 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7815.png |
| 02:22.12 | spung | erm |
| 02:22.27 | AntiProxy | you don't like it? |
| 02:22.28 | spung | xchat? |
| 02:22.33 | spung | is it usable? |
| 02:22.38 | spung | at that resolution? |
| 02:22.38 | AntiProxy | yeah.. my work .) |
| 02:22.44 | spung | oh |
| 02:22.48 | spung | you hacked it? |
| 02:22.52 | AntiProxy | yup |
| 02:22.56 | AntiProxy | everything is usable.. |
| 02:22.57 | spung | ah |
| 02:22.59 | spung | cool |
| 02:23.04 | spung | including the prefs? |
| 02:23.09 | AntiProxy | except for the preferences and config interface |
| 02:23.18 | spung | ah ok |
| 02:23.22 | AntiProxy | i need to completely rewrite those as there's no way they could fit on screen |
| 02:23.22 | spung | cool tho |
| 02:23.25 | spung | is it packaged? |
| 02:23.29 | AntiProxy | apart from that.. everything is usable |
| 02:23.35 | AntiProxy | it's on unstable |
| 02:23.36 | AntiProxy | same name |
| 02:23.38 | AntiProxy | ( xchat ) |
| 02:23.40 | spung | is it big? |
| 02:23.44 | AntiProxy | 120KBs |
| 02:23.45 | AntiProxy | .) |
| 02:23.55 | AntiProxy | stripped to death |
| 02:23.55 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 02:23.59 | spung | nice |
| 02:24.24 | spung | well i guess that was a better idea than writting an irc client from scratch :) |
| 02:24.44 | AntiProxy | i don't think that'd be worthwile |
| 02:25.01 | spung | well, have you seen gpe-irc? :) |
| 02:25.02 | AntiProxy | x-chat works .) |
| 02:25.06 | AntiProxy | yeah .\ |
| 02:25.15 | AntiProxy | reminds me of IRC 6 years back .) |
| 02:25.32 | spung | eheh |
| 02:26.14 | AntiProxy | the only beta-tester of xchat ( leeds ) wasn't quite satisfied with it |
| 02:27.06 | AntiProxy | since (for some reason) he uses 10++ px fonts |
| 02:27.06 | AntiProxy | so the toolbar menufont and buttons are quite large |
| 02:27.45 | spung | ah |
| 02:28.09 | spung | erm, i guess that's a gtk issue |
| 02:28.20 | spung | it should handle that kind of stuff better |
| 02:28.49 | AntiProxy | i created a gtkrc for it and hacked xchat to use that |
| 02:28.59 | AntiProxy | that's how i got the tiny scroll bars and tab buttons |
| 02:29.35 | AntiProxy | and i have ' font_name = "Sans 6" ' everywhere |
| 02:29.38 | AntiProxy | i guess i missed something |
| 02:30.08 | AntiProxy | after all.. it's my first attempt with gtk |
| 02:30.29 | AntiProxy | i had over 10 reference pages open while porting it .) |
| 02:30.44 | spung | :) |
| 02:30.47 | AntiProxy | it was fun while it lasted |
| 02:31.02 | spung | well |
| 02:31.10 | spung | want more gtk fun? |
| 02:31.19 | spung | (gtk guts fun) |
| 02:31.20 | AntiProxy | Zed ( the father of X-Chat ) was pretty surprised to see his IRC client running on an iPAQ |
| 02:31.27 | spung | eheh |
| 02:32.03 | spung | AntiProxy: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107673 |
| 02:32.13 | AntiProxy | http://www.antiproxy.com/images/misc/X-Chat.jpg |
| 02:32.25 | AntiProxy | that was in the topic of #xchat for a while |
| 02:32.35 | spung | :) |
| 02:32.37 | AntiProxy | ( taken by a webcam.. so excuse the poor quality ) |
| 02:32.55 | *** join/#gpe moray (moray@mma29.dar.cam.ac.uk) |
| 02:33.15 | AntiProxy | mm |
| 02:33.29 | AntiProxy | spung: sounds chinese to me |
| 02:33.59 | spung | well, to me too i'm afraid |
| 02:34.11 | spung | i'll give it another go when i finish my exams :) |
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| 02:34.36 | AntiProxy | i'll give it another go when i wake up (sober) tommorow |
| 02:34.53 | moray | ha |
| 02:35.31 | AntiProxy | moray: can't sleep? |
| 02:35.53 | moray | haven't tried yet. |
| 02:36.02 | AntiProxy | neither did i |
| 02:36.08 | AntiProxy | it's 06:35 AM.. |
| 02:36.12 | AntiProxy | i think i should give it a shot |
| 02:36.21 | moray | I was at the pub, etc., then buying wedding presents online, debugging stuff.... |
| 02:36.25 | moray | ah right. |
| 02:36.35 | moray | I tend to decide it's too late by the time it gets light. |
| 02:36.36 | AntiProxy | err |
| 02:36.41 | AntiProxy | debugging stuff at the pub? |
| 02:36.43 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 02:36.43 | spung | eheh |
| 02:36.46 | moray | no |
| 02:36.47 | AntiProxy | i haven't done that in a while |
| 02:36.47 | moray | ;) |
| 02:36.51 | spung | i like to go to the pub |
| 02:37.00 | spung | and debug with bear |
| 02:37.03 | spung | beer |
| 02:37.09 | AntiProxy | lol (bear) |
| 02:37.13 | AntiProxy | you made me wonder |
| 02:37.14 | spung | but ohh |
| 02:37.16 | moray | who's Bear? |
| 02:37.27 | spung | bear is a friend |
| 02:37.33 | AntiProxy | hmmmm |
| 02:37.34 | spung | he only talks to me |
| 02:37.38 | AntiProxy | a "friend" .P |
| 02:37.40 | spung | and other people can't see him |
| 02:37.53 | moray | ha |
| 02:38.03 | AntiProxy | you know the fuct up thing |
| 02:38.14 | AntiProxy | i lost the patched up source of X-Chat in a HDD crash |
| 02:38.16 | spung | AntiProxy, moray: i think.. i think is see.. dead people |
| 02:38.28 | spung | AntiProxy: man.. that sucks |
| 02:38.29 | moray | oh dear |
| 02:38.34 | AntiProxy | so i'll have to do everything back from scratch to carry on with the work |
| 02:38.34 | moray | (to both of you) |
| 02:38.39 | moray | whoops |
| 02:39.03 | spung | AntiProxy: shame on you for not using CVS |
| 02:39.28 | AntiProxy | spung: as funny as that might sound,, i only know how to CVS checkout .) |
| 02:39.42 | AntiProxy | i'm not much of a developer as you might have already established |
| 02:40.03 | AntiProxy | porting X-Chat to GPE just took place one night when i was REALLY bored |
| 02:40.10 | AntiProxy | and like i said.. it was my first shot with GTK |
| 02:41.14 | AntiProxy | i think all that's (was) left, was to re-write the preferences and server list config interfaces.. |
| 02:41.38 | AntiProxy | and perhaps tweak the gtkrc file a bit more, for the project to be 100% complete |
| 02:42.33 | AntiProxy | the first two tasks i mentioned are a bit beyond me.. so if anyone is interested.. i'll redo everything from scratch, and hand the project over |
| 02:42.44 | spung | AntiProxy: :) |
| 02:42.47 | AntiProxy | so maybe in a couple of weeks, we'd have a 100% usable IRC client in unstable feed |
| 02:42.55 | spung | AntiProxy: that'd be nice, yeah |
| 02:43.18 | spung | AntiProxy: well, re-write that, and commit it to the gpe cvs or something :) |
| 02:44.04 | AntiProxy | sounds like a plan |
| 02:44.50 | AntiProxy | *sigh* |
| 02:45.09 | AntiProxy | something's wrong with my backbone provider |
| 02:45.44 | AntiProxy | 10 pos6-2.dcp-c000.gw.epoch.net (155.229.123.237) 2777.310 ms 2700.390 ms 2636.814 ms |
| 02:46.39 | AntiProxy | back to life |
| 02:46.53 | AntiProxy | 10 pos6-2.dcp-c000.gw.epoch.net (155.229.123.237) 387.160 ms 389.481 ms 407.895 ms |
| 02:47.36 | AntiProxy | if i'm porting xchat again, i'll be adding ifdefs everywhere |
| 02:47.52 | AntiProxy | Zed is willing to commit that into his CVS tree |
| 02:48.07 | spung | good idea |
| 02:48.16 | AntiProxy | so building X-Chat for GPE would be as easy as ./configure --handheld=blah or so |
| 02:48.17 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 02:49.21 | AntiProxy | maybe i'll talk to him tommorow when he wakes up (he's in .au) to arrange for that |
| 02:49.59 | AntiProxy | i did this whole thing cuz i needed a decent IRC client for GPE.. |
| 02:50.10 | AntiProxy | i'm still hoping for a decent file manager and web browser |
| 02:50.21 | AntiProxy | but by the look of it.. we need to write something from scratch |
| 02:50.29 | AntiProxy | as i couldn't find anything portable yet |
| 02:50.44 | AntiProxy | dpm |
| 02:50.46 | AntiProxy | err |
| 02:50.52 | AntiProxy | don't start telling me how cool dillo is |
| 02:50.57 | AntiProxy | i'm stubborn .) |
| 02:51.14 | spung | dillo is cool because it is fast |
| 02:51.32 | spung | but so is konqueror/embedded and it renders better |
| 02:51.39 | AntiProxy | it's fast cuz it's so stripped down |
| 02:51.52 | spung | konqueror? |
| 02:51.57 | pigeon | AntiProxy: Define "decent" IRC client please :P |
| 02:52.19 | AntiProxy | pigeon: compare gpe-irc and x-chat.. you'd know exactly what i mean .) |
| 02:52.48 | pigeon | Hehe. Well I'm wondering, what features you're after for a "decent" IRC client... |
| 02:53.03 | AntiProxy | i only used gpe-irc once, and that was enough for me to port X-Chat to GPE |
| 02:53.17 | AntiProxy | well.. i had a hard time doing everything else but chat on a channel |
| 02:53.23 | spung | AntiProxy: iirc, pigeon has been working on gpe-irc :) |
| 02:53.28 | pigeon | Well yeah, gpe-irc isn't doing much at the moment. |
| 02:53.35 | pigeon | spung: ;) |
| 02:53.38 | AntiProxy | i'm not saying it sucks.. |
| 02:53.41 | spung | eheh |
| 02:53.47 | AntiProxy | it's good for an irc client written from scratch |
| 02:53.51 | AntiProxy | but still.. it lacks many features |
| 02:53.54 | pigeon | I don't agree. It sucks now. :P |
| 02:54.03 | spung | ;) |
| 02:54.10 | AntiProxy | *phew* |
| 02:54.18 | AntiProxy | i guess i'm saved from a long debate .) |
| 02:54.27 | spung | well |
| 02:54.29 | pigeon | Hehehe ;) |
| 02:54.31 | spung | unless you call it linux |
| 02:54.36 | spung | instead of GNU/Linux |
| 02:54.48 | AntiProxy | spung: what made you write an IRC client from scratch, rather than porting one that already exists (e.g.: X-Chat) ? |
| 02:55.05 | spung | AntiProxy: erm, me? |
| 02:55.13 | AntiProxy | s/spung/pigeon/ |
| 02:55.16 | spung | :) |
| 02:55.20 | AntiProxy | ( that was the vodka talking ) |
| 02:56.07 | pigeon | AntiProxy: In fact, I didn't start it. It was someone else. And then I joined in to write more code for it. |
| 02:56.50 | AntiProxy | pigeon: do you think we should "invest" more time in getting gpe-irc to a better usable state? or spare that time and work on X-Chat instead? |
| 02:57.12 | AntiProxy | after all.. for what it's worth.. it's only 100KBs extra we'r wasting with X-Chat |
| 02:57.20 | pigeon | AntiProxy: Yeah. Well, to me, the current gpe-irc is basically "not done", "not ready". |
| 02:57.24 | spung | AntiProxy: right now, i guess x-chat looks like a good bet |
| 02:57.48 | spung | AntiProxy: gpe-irc is a better place to make an irc client really suitable for PDA i guess |
| 02:57.48 | AntiProxy | any third opinion? .) |
| 02:58.12 | AntiProxy | yeah.. i agree on that. but how long would it take us to actually get there? |
| 02:58.24 | spung | yeah |
| 02:58.38 | spung | so, x-chat is quite welcome right now :) |
| 02:59.32 | AntiProxy | try the one in the unstable feed.. ( you'll have to edit ~/.xchat/xchat.conf and servlist_.conf by hand ) |
| 03:00.14 | AntiProxy | pigeon: did you see http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7815.png yet? .) |
| 03:00.29 | spung | cya all |
| 03:00.47 | AntiProxy | night spung |
| 03:04.10 | pigeon | I just did. |
| 03:04.15 | pigeon | Hehe, nice. :) |
| 03:08.55 | pigeon | AntiProxy: Is that a transparent text widget or just a background for the text widget? |
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| 03:09.24 | AntiProxy | pigeon: transparent widget |
| 03:10.07 | AntiProxy | you can adjust the tint in xchat.conf ( or in the preferences once that interface is ready ) |
| 03:11.03 | pigeon | Ah ok... is that gtk2? |
| 03:11.07 | AntiProxy | yup |
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| 03:12.23 | AntiProxy | about time |
| 03:12.24 | AntiProxy | hehe |
| 03:14.02 | fishy | do you guys think it would be possible to port GPE to the zaurus |
| 03:14.03 | fishy | ? |
| 03:14.14 | moray | Yes. |
| 03:14.52 | moray | Most of GPE should run on any hardware (I've been working on Debian packages). |
| 03:16.18 | fishy | kick butt :D |
| 03:16.59 | fishy | but things like buttons will need tweaking? |
| 03:17.04 | AntiProxy | my guess is that GPE should run as is on a Zaurus |
| 03:17.19 | AntiProxy | since Zaurii already have an xserver |
| 03:17.30 | AntiProxy | it's just a matter of installing the needed packages from gpe feed |
| 03:17.52 | moray | fishy: the hardware buttons are mapped to appropriate 'logical' values with xmodmap |
| 03:18.22 | AntiProxy | speaking of hardware buttons.. have the keycodes changed recently? |
| 03:18.29 | moray | fishy: gpe-conf and probably gpe-login have a few hardware-specific things, but it should be easy to add support for Zaurus hardware as well; there's already support for various iPAQ models. |
| 03:18.40 | AntiProxy | i just noticed, an old script that used to map keys for xgnuboy stopped working with unstable GPE |
| 03:19.17 | fishy | why hasent anyone "ported" GPE to the zaurus already? |
| 03:21.14 | AntiProxy | like moray said... i don't think GPE needs "porting" to work on a zaurus |
| 03:21.30 | AntiProxy | fishy: if you have enough storage space.. try to install GPE from the handhelds.org feeds |
| 03:21.43 | AntiProxy | i think it should work out of the box |
| 03:22.47 | fishy | then why does'nt anyone use it? |
| 03:23.02 | fishy | Im gonna reflash my zaurus soon |
| 03:23.15 | fishy | so i'll install X and GPE |
| 03:23.53 | AntiProxy | fishy: i was a happy opie ( qtopia ) customer for a while.. i just switched to GPE after realizing how much i've been missing out on .) |
| 03:24.05 | AntiProxy | i guess most of the Z users are happy with Qtopia as it is |
| 03:24.52 | fishy | Im not :( |
| 03:25.28 | *** part/#gpe Ironz (~test@adsl-63-199-228-203.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) |
| 03:25.35 | fishy | Should I install from Familiar unstable feed? |
| 03:25.37 | AntiProxy | what does Zaurus use instead of ipkg? |
| 03:26.06 | AntiProxy | fishy: stick to the stable feed at first |
| 03:26.14 | fishy | ok |
| 03:26.18 | AntiProxy | once you have that working,, you'r free to upgrade to the unstable feed |
| 03:26.27 | AntiProxy | just to make sure things go as smooth as possible |
| 03:27.04 | moray | fishy: Tell us when you get stuck on a GPE issue, I guess. I think mallum at least has some Zaurus hardware to play with. |
| 03:27.10 | AntiProxy | did you remove qtopia related stuff already? |
| 03:28.02 | fishy | will it have to be removed? |
| 03:29.07 | AntiProxy | if you'r short on space.. maybe |
| 03:35.28 | AntiProxy | brb |
| 03:51.46 | fishy | what is matchbox? |
| 03:52.51 | pigeon | It's the windows manager, used in GPE |
| 03:52.59 | pigeon | ibot: matchbox |
| 03:52.59 | | [matchbox] a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 03:53.53 | fishy | cool |
| 03:54.04 | fishy | thanks pigeon |
| 03:56.00 | pigeon | no problem. |
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| 07:36.34 | florian | morning |
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| 08:23.36 | pb_ | morning |
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| 08:25.02 | florian | ho pb_ |
| 08:25.30 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 08:25.49 | pb_ | moray: I tried submitting that advocate thing yesterday, but apparently I screwed up the GPG signing somehow because it just bounced. Let me try again. |
| 08:29.12 | pb_ | florian: how are you getting on with those SIMpad images? |
| 08:30.12 | florian | pb_: Nils had some success and is still working on a window manager... current matchboy doesn't evenn run on these devices. |
| 08:31.46 | florian | pb_: s/matchboy/matchbox |
| 08:31.47 | pb_ | florian: Ah. |
| 08:32.06 | pb_ | I suppose the screen is large enough that you could run a "normal" window manager like metacity. |
| 08:34.12 | florian | pb_: yes - but is was not that easy to find one with not that many dependencies... |
| 08:34.58 | pb_ | florian: Ah. Does metacity depend on anything other than GTK? |
| 08:35.02 | pb_ | Oh, I suppose it uses GConf. |
| 08:36.29 | florian | pb_: I think is trying to get the xfce wm from the cat. |
| 08:36.41 | pb_ | Right. |
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| 08:40.33 | florian | hi mallum! |
| 08:40.54 | mallum | hey florian |
| 09:01.54 | AntiProxy | *yawn* |
| 09:01.57 | AntiProxy | morning everyone |
| 09:02.06 | pb_ | hi AntiProxy |
| 09:02.29 | pb_ | afternoon, even. |
| 09:02.44 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 09:03.27 | AntiProxy | remember that HDD crash in which i lost my gpg keys? |
| 09:03.36 | pb_ | oh yes |
| 09:03.38 | mallum | good morning ladies and gentleman |
| 09:03.38 | AntiProxy | it just hit me that i lost the patched up sources of X-Chat |
| 09:03.54 | AntiProxy | morning mallum |
| 09:04.31 | AntiProxy | we were talking about it 4-5 hours back ( me, spung and pigeon ) when i realized it |
| 09:04.39 | AntiProxy | so if anything.. i'll have to do it all over again |
| 09:04.40 | florian | hi AntiProxy |
| 09:05.25 | florian | uh no :-/ |
| 09:05.26 | pb_ | AntiProxy: hell! |
| 09:05.44 | AntiProxy | current HDD technology sucks |
| 09:06.21 | AntiProxy | having 3 dead drives piled up here totalling over 200GBs in capactity.. i'm starting to wish there was a better alternative to mechanical drives |
| 09:06.25 | florian | Yeah - the only chance is to keep data on many many disks... |
| 09:06.37 | AntiProxy | solid state memory might be the good alternative but that'd be damn expensive |
| 09:07.22 | florian | AntiProxy: I make backups to MO drives from time to time... at least of the most important data. |
| 09:07.46 | AntiProxy | after a couple of HDD failures.. i began to backup on a weekly basis |
| 09:07.52 | AntiProxy | i lost X-Chat somewhere in between |
| 09:08.08 | AntiProxy | ( as for my gpg keys.. well i just didn't think of backing those up ) |
| 09:09.16 | florian | That reminds me that i should make a backup... NOW |
| 09:09.26 | pb_ | heh |
| 09:09.56 | AntiProxy | i wasn't surprised to find that i'm not the only one who forget to backup their keys |
| 09:12.19 | AntiProxy | by the way.. i just compiled vice (CBM emulator) and it works fine.. but |
| 09:12.30 | AntiProxy | it doesn't seem to understand input from xkbd or xstroke |
| 09:12.44 | AntiProxy | so the only way to type is using a hardware keyboard (microkeyboard) |
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| 09:13.00 | AntiProxy | which kinda makes sense to me.. but is there some way around that? .) |
| 09:14.14 | florian | hello jblinux |
| 09:14.24 | jblinux | hi florian :) |
| 09:14.47 | jblinux | hi bp_ |
| 09:15.01 | pb_ | hi bjxunil |
| 09:15.54 | mallum | AntiProxy: thats really odd, its an X11 app right ? |
| 09:16.26 | AntiProxy | mallum: yup |
| 09:16.46 | mallum | AntiProxy: and it just ignores everything from xkbd/xstroke ? |
| 09:16.56 | AntiProxy | as if they'r not there |
| 09:17.09 | florian | mallum: we tried to start mbdesktop from a xsession script... it starts but doesn't show anything... |
| 09:17.33 | mallum | florian: you have a wm running ? |
| 09:18.08 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14039.png |
| 09:18.08 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 09:19.11 | pb_ | :-) |
| 09:19.12 | AntiProxy | has the hardware button keycodes changed recently? |
| 09:19.20 | florian | mallum: nope, i think this is started after mbdesktop.... |
| 09:19.53 | AntiProxy | i had a key definition which i used to use with xgnuboy, which doesn't work anymore.. i get only one of the keys working |
| 09:20.12 | AntiProxy | i tried 'showkey' and it's showing keycodes different than anything on that script i have |
| 09:20.20 | mallum | florian: does it not get mapped once the wm kicks in ? |
| 09:20.26 | AntiProxy | my script hasn't changed, and it used to work.. so i wonder what it is |
| 09:20.35 | mallum | AntiProxy: use xev in X |
| 09:21.12 | florian | mallum: this is maybe the problem... if you start it after everything is up it works. |
| 09:21.44 | mallum | florian: this is a 0.6 matchbox right ? |
| 09:23.01 | florian | mallum: yep... |
| 09:23.07 | florian | nilsf: ping |
| 09:24.06 | mallum | florian: hmm, it maps for me in xnest with no wm |
| 09:24.53 | florian | nilsf: could you paste this xsession script? |
| 09:25.05 | AntiProxy | mallum: xev is showing the same output when i press any of the keys |
| 09:26.55 | mallum | AntiProxy: its the keysyms that matter though |
| 09:27.06 | mallum | florian: |
| 09:27.08 | mallum | oops |
| 09:27.22 | mallum | florian: why are you starting mbdesktop from xsession ? |
| 09:28.28 | AntiProxy | keys: 2 4294967184 1 100 0 4294967173 4 0 0 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 |
| 09:28.28 | AntiProxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.35 | AntiProxy | that's what all the keys report |
| 09:29.15 | mallum | AntiProxy: do a killall keylaunch and see if you get the same results |
| 09:29.43 | AntiProxy | i should have thought of that .) |
| 09:30.21 | AntiProxy | (keysym 0x1008ff20, XF86Calendar), (keysym 0xaf9, telephone), etc |
| 09:30.22 | florian | mallum: We try to create an image for the simpad... |
| 09:32.04 | mallum | florian: cant you just use mbsession ? |
| 09:33.46 | mallum | florian: also I suspect if its for the simpad your better grabbing mb src and switching the icons to the defualt ones. They work better for larger panels |
| 09:34.47 | florian | mallum: good question... the xsession was nils idea |
| 09:35.12 | florian | mallum: yep, good idea... this will be the next step :-) |
| 09:36.14 | mallum | florian: the tarball comes with too sets of icons. the defualt ones are larger, the ipk uses the smaller alternate ones |
| 09:36.58 | mallum | florian: look at the source for mbsession ( its just a shell script currently ), you can configure the mb startup globally or per user with that |
| 09:40.02 | florian | yep, ok |
| 09:43.42 | nilsf | florian: The script simply starts mbdesktop, mbdock and then the window manager. |
| 09:44.44 | florian | nilsf: ah, ok... |
| 09:45.12 | nilsf | mallum: The strange thing is that mbdesktop is started and running but does not display anything!? |
| 09:45.51 | nilsf | mallum: And if I start it again (after killing the first one of course) it works... |
| 09:47.14 | mallum | nilsf: thats just X wierdness I think. IIRC mbdesktop waits for the wm to kick in before it maps, as the wm tells it sizes etc and its best it delays that work till told it by the wm as its a lot of work calculating positions sizes etc and then rendering it all |
| 09:54.01 | nilsf | mallum: Hmm... so why doesn't it start when called from the xsession script but later on? |
| 09:54.17 | nilsf | mallum: Or, would calling xrefresh help? |
| 09:54.34 | mallum | nilsf: dunno, why do you want to call it from xsession ? |
| 09:55.41 | nilsf | mallum: Where else should I call it? (sorry, xsession is my script that starts mbdesktop, dock and the WM...) |
| 09:55.53 | nilsf | F*ck! It suddenly works!? |
| 09:56.02 | mallum | nilsf: just point x-window-manager at mbsession |
| 09:56.53 | nilsf | mallum: What is mbsession? It didn't come with the matchbox package AFAIK and I do not have it on my iPaq too... |
| 09:57.14 | mallum | nilsf: it comes with mb0.6 |
| 09:57.17 | nilsf | mallum: (at least if /usr/bin/mbsession is meant) |
| 09:57.36 | nilsf | mallum: Ah... oops... then I might have accientially deleted it. |
| 09:57.42 | pb_ | heh |
| 09:58.07 | mallum | doh |
| 09:59.14 | nilsf | mallum: Is there a way to cause mbdesktop to refresh itself? |
| 09:59.30 | mallum | nilsf: run a wm |
| 09:59.43 | nilsf | mallum: :) Funny... it is already running... |
| 10:00.19 | mallum | nilsf: are you sure you havn't deleted something mbdesktop needs ? |
| 10:00.25 | nilsf | mallum: It seems liek someone is missing a signal or something. It sometimes works but mostly don't. |
| 10:00.37 | mallum | nilsf: are you running a different wm to matchbox ? |
| 10:01.06 | nilsf | mallum: Yep, xfce4wm, the WM from the xfce project. |
| 10:01.26 | nilsf | (or xfwm4 it is called correctly) |
| 10:02.49 | mallum | nilsf: hmm that should be fine |
| 10:05.30 | mallum | nilsf: does it start up ok once xfce is running ? |
| 10:05.46 | nilsf | mallum: Yep... |
| 10:06.07 | nilsf | mallum: I just found that adding a delay (sleep) after starting mbdesktop before starting the WM helps! |
| 10:07.43 | nilsf | mallum: One second is enough :) Puh! |
| 10:08.50 | mallum | nilsf: wierd. xfce4wm is obviously doing something odd. Id have to grab the source for that to figure it out |
| 10:11.45 | nilsf | mallum: :) |
| 10:12.08 | nilsf | mallum: At least it's working now and we have a somewhat useful SIMpad. |
| 10:13.32 | mallum | nilsf: cool :-) |
| 10:13.42 | mallum | nilsf: I have to break up the matchbox package |
| 10:14.13 | mallum | nilsf: are you running mbdock ? or xfce's ? |
| 10:15.53 | pb_ | nilsf: it'd be neat if we could start building SIMpad images automatically. Did you need to make many changes to get it working? |
| 10:17.53 | mallum | OZ has support for the simpad |
| 10:18.21 | florian | pb_: The simpad hast it's kernel outside the filesystem... the window manager... |
| 10:18.33 | nilsf | mallum: Currently it's mbdock, but xfwm4 puts decoration around it :( |
| 10:19.12 | nilsf | pb_: ...another X-server (for tslib support), different /linuxrc, some other init-script diffs... |
| 10:19.15 | mallum | nilsf: that sucks |
| 10:19.34 | nilsf | pb_: Quite some changes, I have to look through it all again when we have time (ha ha ha :) |
| 10:19.46 | florian | pb_: we should find a way to provide some different defaults on this device... |
| 10:20.11 | nilsf | pb_: Florian started to tailor make_busyboot. When we can then automtically build images we will see what's broken. |
| 10:20.24 | pb_ | nilsf: Great. |
| 10:20.56 | mallum | nilsf: right, you are already using the X server from OZ |
| 10:21.23 | nilsf | There is suppsed to be some hacking areas at LinuxTag with powerplugs and inet access... maybe we'll have a hacking session there? |
| 10:22.05 | florian | nilsf: we should package this different initscrips and the x-server and make a meta package depending on this |
| 10:22.15 | pb_ | nilsf: good plan :-) I'll be sure to bring my laptop. |
| 10:23.00 | pb_ | florian: yes, it sounds like you should have a different task-bootstrap package for SIMpad that depends on all the right pieces. |
| 10:23.27 | mallum | nilsf: I wonder why it decorates the dock. sounds like xfce is a little broke ? |
| 10:24.36 | nilsf | pb_: Excellent :) |
| 10:25.05 | nilsf | mallum: Should it be able to recognise the dock as a special non decorated window? |
| 10:25.15 | mallum | nilsf: yep |
| 10:25.30 | mallum | nilsf: have you tried the gnome-panel under it ? |
| 10:26.00 | nilsf | (Besides all this, the OOM killer kicks in quite frequently on the 64MB SIMpad :( Or is it 32MB??? Have to recheck this...) |
| 10:26.24 | nilsf | mallum: Yuck... Gnome? Could do that from remote maybe... |
| 10:26.43 | mallum | nilsf: I suspect mbdesktop uses quite a bit of memory on the simpad |
| 10:28.44 | nilsf | mallum: The busybox "ps" is not very verbose on mem-usage :(( |
| 10:29.00 | mallum | nilsf: I just copy the debian top binary in |
| 10:29.42 | nilsf | So folks... the car is almost waiting, have to get all things together now. See at, live or virtual, @LinuxTag l8er! |
| 10:29.49 | nilsf | mallum: Maybe I'll try it, tnx! |
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| 10:29.56 | mallum | nilsf: have a nice time :-) |
| 10:37.00 | florian | hmm no - the SL4 has 64mb |
| 10:37.39 | pb_ | strange, you shouldn't have too many OOM problems with 64MB. |
| 10:38.01 | florian | hmm... some windows dissapear whils moving others... |
| 10:44.38 | mallum | florian: I would run top and see where it is all going |
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| 12:13.04 | florian | re |
| 12:13.10 | florian | mallum: yep, ok... |
| 12:28.33 | florian | bbl |
| 14:03.41 | moray | pb_: I think the bouncing is due to db.debian.org being dead; apparently the suggested workaround is to email new-maintainer@debian.org |
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| 14:05.16 | mibus | pb_: nice to hear about geeklog |
| 14:05.20 | mibus | pb_: progress? |
| 14:05.27 | mibus | pb_: ive been busy as all get-out with work this week |
| 14:05.33 | mibus | pb_: at least it's been _FUN_ work :-D |
| 14:05.49 | mibus | pb_: though i've had to start using Flash MX and it's pretty weird compared to PHP etc. :-) |
| 14:06.04 | mallum | mibus: geeklog ? |
| 14:11.44 | mibus | mallum: newsy type php stuff |
| 14:11.54 | mibus | i suggested GPE should have a news site :) |
| 14:14.04 | moray | mibus: ah right, going to keep the world updated on our activities? |
| 14:14.11 | mallum | mibus: ah right I use pybloxom |
| 14:14.19 | mibus | mallum: thats the idea |
| 14:14.26 | mibus | mallum: either that or people have to read my blog |
| 14:14.30 | mibus | mallum: :-) |
| 14:14.39 | mibus | mallum: and even then not much of interest gets posted |
| 14:14.48 | mibus | mallum: (oooh, a new version of gpe-pegged, oooh ;-) |
| 14:15.17 | mallum | mibus: http://people.openedhand.com/blog , kind of in progress |
| 14:16.14 | mibus | ROFL |
| 14:16.17 | mibus | MALLOG |
| 14:16.18 | mibus | ROFL |
| 14:16.52 | mallum | hehe |
| 14:23.13 | mibus | have a good night/day/diurnal anomaly peoples |
| 14:23.15 | mibus | night night! |
| 14:23.21 | moray | night mibus |
| 14:23.27 | mibus | :) |
| 15:16.08 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for mibus: no real progress on geeklog, been too busy the last couple of days. if you want to have a poke at it yourself, let me know. |
| 15:46.57 | mallum | pb_: is there an app on the zuarus called 'teleport' ? |
| 15:47.12 | mallum | pb_: that does the same thing as gpe's teleport ? |
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| 15:55.45 | pb_ | mallum: not that I've heard of. |
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| 16:00.04 | mallum | pb_: look at this post to gllug list; |
| 16:00.07 | mallum | After seeing something called teleport on the zaurus pda, where you can |
| 16:00.07 | mallum | temporarily put the output of an app running on the PDA onto a named X display, |
| 16:00.07 | mallum | i was wondering if there is any similar way of sending X11 clients between |
| 16:00.07 | mallum | different displays/Xservers |
| 16:09.02 | pb_ | ah, heh. |
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| 16:25.10 | mallum | pb_: any idea how you do #ifdef X or Y |
| 16:25.45 | mallum | pb_: ok got it |
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| 16:43.55 | dc_ | hey |
| 16:48.14 | pb_ | dc_: yo |
| 16:48.52 | mallum | hey dc_ |
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| 16:58.32 | dc_ | humbug |
| 16:59.35 | mallum | dc_: pb did some patch which should maybe make the c700 fb go faster |
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| 17:15.55 | dc_ | mallum: really? |
| 17:15.59 | dc_ | that sounds cool. |
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| 17:16.45 | AntiProxy | tiny bug in gpe-login2 |
| 17:17.09 | AntiProxy | in /etc/X11/Xinit.d/99gpe-login and /etc/sysconfig/gpelogin , replace '==' with '=' for the script to work properly |
| 17:17.19 | AntiProxy | otherwise automatic login will not work |
| 17:17.56 | dc_ | AntiProxy: better bugzilla that if I was you. or change it in cvs ;} |
| 17:19.04 | AntiProxy | especially when submitting a bug report takes more time than fixing the bug itself |
| 17:19.11 | dc_ | true |
| 17:19.36 | dc_ | I would commit that, but I don't have a copy of the repositry right now |
| 17:20.04 | AntiProxy | i guess pb_ would be back sometime soon.. |
| 17:20.08 | AntiProxy | ibot: seen pb_ |
| 17:20.12 | | pb_ <~pb@dsl-62-3-66-201.zen.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 31m 58s ago, saying: 'dc_: yo'. |
| 17:20.28 | dc_ | that was 31 minutes ago.. |
| 17:20.35 | dc_ | geez time goes fast. |
| 17:21.15 | AntiProxy | i was watching the matrix reloaded, got back to find out the server i was on has gone down |
| 17:21.28 | dc_ | heh |
| 17:21.34 | AntiProxy | i think i was offline for like an hour or so |
| 17:21.35 | dc_ | speaking of the matrix |
| 17:21.43 | mallum | AntiProxy: you were at the cinema on irc ? |
| 17:21.48 | dc_ | have you seen equilibrium? |
| 17:22.03 | AntiProxy | lol.. no mallum i was right here.. at home |
| 17:23.15 | mallum | AntiProxy: bittorrent ? |
| 17:23.28 | dc_ | Equlibrum rocks... |
| 17:23.54 | mallum | dc_: Equlibrum ? |
| 17:24.31 | dc_ | it's kind of like the matrix, but not quite as cool. |
| 17:25.09 | dc_ | they do this real funky hand-to-hand style handgun fighting |
| 17:25.25 | mallum | dc_: it on at the cinema ? |
| 17:25.32 | dc_ | or close combat rather. |
| 17:25.38 | dc_ | mallum: I think it was on at a few. |
| 17:25.46 | dc_ | mallum: but it didn't have much advertising. |
| 17:25.56 | dc_ | mallum: mainly because it came out just after the matrix |
| 17:26.04 | dc_ | reloaded. |
| 17:26.06 | dc_ | iirc |
| 17:28.18 | mallum | ok |
| 17:29.13 | dc_ | I recommend you download it. |
| 17:29.45 | mallum | Quick quiz, which of the following 2 matchbox's use Pango; |
| 17:29.47 | mallum | 18101 mallum 9 0 4648 4648 3360 S 0.0 0.9 0:00.25 lt-matchbox |
| 17:29.47 | mallum | 21291 mallum 9 0 2680 2680 2032 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.14 lt-matchbox |
| 17:30.00 | AntiProxy | damn i'm out of CDR blanks |
| 17:30.20 | AntiProxy | i need to back up a 40GB HDD and get it replaced before it dies on me |
| 17:30.37 | dc_ | :-\ |
| 17:30.41 | AntiProxy | i don't know what it is with me and hard drives, but we obviously don't get along |
| 17:31.13 | dc_ | mallum: um. 2nd one. |
| 17:31.35 | mallum | dc_: wrong |
| 17:31.48 | mallum | dc_: the first one uses double the memory |
| 17:31.53 | AntiProxy | i'd have said the first one cuz of the smaller memory usage |
| 17:32.10 | dc_ | that's mad. |
| 17:32.12 | mallum | except it can display arabic |
| 17:32.15 | AntiProxy | but that 'd have been a wild guess anyway .) |
| 17:32.36 | dc_ | mallum: oh, huray...um. |
| 17:33.03 | AntiProxy | yesterday i realized my X-Chat can talk japanese .) |
| 17:33.13 | moray | mallum: hopefully that memory is shared with other pango-using programs, though? |
| 17:33.13 | mallum | emacs cvs has gtk2 ? |
| 17:33.21 | dc_ | :} |
| 17:33.24 | AntiProxy | ibot: x en jp test |
| 17:33.38 | AntiProxy | how many of you can see that properly? .) |
| 17:33.47 | dc_ | oh yay, yeah |
| 17:33.48 | dc_ | mine to |
| 17:33.53 | moray | AntiProxy: yup, fine here |
| 17:33.57 | Thelonius | not me |
| 17:34.03 | dc_ | I have jap installed. |
| 17:34.21 | Thelonius | so X-Chat translates japanese? |
| 17:34.34 | AntiProxy | i thought i had removed all the extra packages installed on my box.. i don't know how the japanese fonts made it through |
| 17:34.43 | mallum | moray: yep of course, but Im taking away the shared stuff |
| 17:35.02 | mallum | dc_: hmm, I should test out jap stuff with mb |
| 17:35.07 | mallum | dc_: chinese works ok |
| 17:35.22 | dc_ | mallum: that would be cool |
| 17:35.31 | mallum | dc_: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/mb-ch.png |
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| 17:35.50 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 17:35.56 | mallum | dc_: I guess you'd need pango for japanese though |
| 17:36.04 | AntiProxy | welcome back pb .) |
| 17:36.23 | dc_ | hey pb_ |
| 17:36.27 | pb_ | re |
| 17:36.29 | pb_ | AntiProxy: :-) |
| 17:36.31 | pb_ | dc_: hey |
| 17:36.35 | AntiProxy | pb_: in /etc/X11/Xinit.d/99gpe-login and /etc/sysconfig/gpelogin , replace '==' with '=' for autologin to work properly |
| 17:36.39 | dc_ | mallum: that's pretty cool |
| 17:36.54 | pb_ | AntiProxy: oh whoops, yeah. jamey already fixed in that in cvs, just need to get my finger out and build a new .ipk. |
| 17:37.11 | pb_ | AntiProxy: busybox sh doesn't do "==", it seems. |
| 17:37.52 | AntiProxy | busybox sh barely does anything |
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| 17:38.29 | pb_ | true enough. |
| 17:38.40 | AntiProxy | there's a minor issue with it, i just found out |
| 17:38.46 | pb_ | well, let me spin a new package now before I forget again. |
| 17:38.50 | pb_ | ah, what's the issue? |
| 17:39.02 | AntiProxy | if you happen to type a ' somewhere by mistake, you can't break out of it |
| 17:39.06 | AntiProxy | except by closing the quote |
| 17:39.12 | pb_ | ha. |
| 17:39.30 | pb_ | wow, haven't had a gpe-login release for over three months. |
| 17:40.12 | mallum | food time bbl |
| 17:42.23 | pb_ | hm, looks like Nexus has dropped off the net. |
| 17:42.27 | pb_ | I wonder what's up with that. |
| 17:44.49 | pb_ | guess I won't be building that package after all. |
| 17:45.28 | AntiProxy | i just noticed there are so many typos in the text on trinity's shell .) |
| 17:45.32 | AntiProxy | nothing beats slowmo |
| 17:45.32 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 17:45.49 | pb_ | hah |
| 17:46.58 | AntiProxy | she ran nmap on 10.2.2.2 which found tcp port 22 open.. ( "Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanneds" ) |
| 17:47.34 | BBrox | Man, people are still talking about this bad movie :-) ? |
| 17:48.12 | AntiProxy | BBrox: i personally think the story line is starting to suck.. but the special effects are still awesome .) |
| 17:48.29 | AntiProxy | i just watched it again to see if i'd change my mind about it |
| 17:49.13 | BBrox | AntiProxy: well, the SFX on the Neo vs Smith scene sucked IMO |
| 17:49.36 | BBrox | And well, even a good SFX suck when it's useless and has no use in a story :-) |
| 17:49.50 | AntiProxy | yeah.. a close look while in slow-mo shows you all they'r punching the air |
| 17:50.02 | AntiProxy | i liked the freeway chase.. i guess that's all about it |
| 17:50.13 | BBrox | Yeah, it's about the only thing that woke me up in the movie... |
| 17:50.18 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 17:50.21 | BBrox | I almost fell asleep during the Neo / Smith scene :-) |
| 17:50.54 | AntiProxy | i don't usually fall asleep while watching movies.. |
| 17:51.05 | AntiProxy | except this one time.. with "Liberty Stands Still" |
| 17:51.31 | BBrox | Well, it was rather discussing with my neighbours instead of watching the movie. |
| 17:51.42 | AntiProxy | 3 hours phone call, and the entire movie was filmed around one block.. |
| 17:52.08 | AntiProxy | it's a good AD for nokia 3 series phones |
| 17:52.28 | AntiProxy | as the battery lasted around 4 hours talk-time in the movie |
| 17:52.58 | AntiProxy | especially since Liberty forgot to charge her phone that day as she said |
| 17:53.15 | AntiProxy | anyway.. 'nuff about bad movies |
| 17:56.01 | BBrox | But still, I was starting to despair finding anyone on-line agreeing with me that Matrix2 sucked somewhat :-) |
| 17:56.39 | AntiProxy | whoever liked the Matrix, didn't liked the Matrix reloaded much |
| 17:56.40 | AntiProxy | and vice versa |
| 17:58.25 | AntiProxy | i was trying to download "The Score" and all the results i'm getting are pr0n |
| 17:58.35 | BBrox | The Score ? What's that ? |
| 17:59.52 | AntiProxy | 1.5 years old movie by robert deniro and edward norton |
| 18:00.22 | AntiProxy | i almost forgot the story line which is why i'm trying to download it again |
| 18:00.26 | AntiProxy | so i can't explain much about it .) |
| 18:04.21 | AntiProxy | i wish xstroke worked with VICE |
| 18:04.46 | BBrox | The C64 emulator ? |
| 18:04.52 | AntiProxy | yup |
| 18:05.06 | AntiProxy | it only works with a hardware keyboard attached |
| 18:05.13 | AntiProxy | neither xkbd or xstroke worked |
| 18:05.35 | BBrox | Really ? This is really strange. Did you try to debug its input code ? |
| 18:05.54 | AntiProxy | i think it's trying to read /dev/console or so |
| 18:06.00 | BBrox | Eeeeeek |
| 18:06.08 | pb_ | crikey. |
| 18:06.24 | BBrox | So no Vice displayed remotely either ? |
| 18:06.43 | AntiProxy | i wouldn't think so |
| 18:07.13 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.14039.png |
| 18:07.21 | pb_ | oh, it's in contrib. |
| 18:07.59 | AntiProxy | BBrox: keyboard handling? |
| 18:08.00 | AntiProxy | hehe |
| 18:08.13 | BBrox | AntiProxy: nope, a basic SID emulator for sound. I think they completely removed it now :-) |
| 18:09.12 | AntiProxy | i wouldn't really nag about the keyboard issue, but a microkeyboard isn't practical with a landscape display .\ |
| 18:09.22 | pb_ | AntiProxy: buy a usb keyboard! |
| 18:09.29 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:09.48 | AntiProxy | a bluetooth keyboard maybe |
| 18:09.53 | AntiProxy | if these ever get any smaller |
| 18:10.11 | pb_ | vice ought to work ok with usb or bluetooth keyboards, since they both go through the input layer. |
| 18:11.31 | dc_ | bt keyboards sounds fun |
| 18:11.40 | dc_ | especialy with an iPAQ |
| 18:11.43 | pb_ | yep |
| 18:12.58 | pb_ | actually, I was thinking of trying to produce a bluetooth keyboard, but it seems like it could be tricky. |
| 18:13.29 | dc_ | happy hacker style? |
| 18:13.31 | dc_ | if that's what they're called :-\ |
| 18:13.33 | pb_ | yeah |
| 18:13.40 | AntiProxy | http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1051 |
| 18:13.44 | pb_ | there's a few keyboards like that out now. |
| 18:13.53 | AntiProxy | i never liked the happy hacker keyboards |
| 18:14.03 | AntiProxy | the same way i never liked laptop keyboards |
| 18:14.20 | pb_ | why not, in particular? not enough key travel? |
| 18:14.26 | dc_ | that rollout looks cool |
| 18:14.43 | pb_ | indeed it does. |
| 18:14.47 | AntiProxy | http://www.visi.com/~pmk/msbtkb-linux.html |
| 18:15.15 | pb_ | yeah, I have one of those MS bluetooth mice. |
| 18:15.29 | pb_ | it's a monster though, about as big and heavy as the ipaq. |
| 18:15.58 | dc_ | oh shoot, I've just move my location bar in epiphany, and now I can't work out how to move it back :-\ |
| 18:16.05 | dc_ | ah-ha |
| 18:16.07 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:16.12 | dc_ | shift + drag |
| 18:16.20 | dc_ | how obscure |
| 18:16.33 | pb_ | I can't figure out how to make ctrl-u do the right thing in epiphany. It works on my machine at the office, but here at home it opens the page source window. |
| 18:16.46 | dc_ | AntiProxy: bit of an essay there |
| 18:17.05 | AntiProxy | yeah |
| 18:17.07 | AntiProxy | mmmm |
| 18:17.09 | dc_ | pb_: yeah, me to. |
| 18:17.29 | pb_ | I remember I used to have that problem with galeon for ages as well. presumably some obscure gconf setting. |
| 18:17.38 | AntiProxy | since i switched to IceWM.. double clicking inside any opera window kills the browser |
| 18:17.51 | pb_ | if only the stupid network connection would start working again I could diff my gconf databases. |
| 18:18.10 | dc_ | heh |
| 18:19.07 | dc_ | at least debian gnome2 is stable now |
| 18:19.14 | pb_ | yeah, seems to be working well for me. |
| 18:19.21 | dc_ | well..apart from epiphany crashing when you try to open the prefs window. |
| 18:19.21 | pb_ | and I don't have the garnome pkgconfig nightmare any more. |
| 18:19.22 | dc_ | heh |
| 18:19.39 | pb_ | oh, my epiphany doesn't do that. |
| 18:19.51 | pb_ | not that the prefs window has a lot in it, mind. |
| 18:19.52 | dc_ | what version? |
| 18:19.58 | pb_ | 0.7.1 |
| 18:20.01 | dc_ | hrm |
| 18:20.02 | AntiProxy | i'm happy with IceWM .. my box has never been this fast .) |
| 18:20.04 | dc_ | mine is aswell |
| 18:20.06 | dc_ | how anoying |
| 18:20.18 | pb_ | Version: 0.7.1-1 |
| 18:20.21 | pb_ | more specifically |
| 18:20.37 | dc_ | ah |
| 18:21.13 | dc_ | bbl, food. |
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| 18:25.31 | cmarqu_ | pb_: Oh, nsql... your usqld replacement? |
| 18:26.04 | pb_ | cmarqu_: yes. |
| 18:26.13 | cmarqu_ | Cool. |
| 18:26.28 | pb_ | ah, I wonder if __moray's return means that Nexus is also back on the net. |
| 18:26.42 | pb_ | seems not. |
| 18:26.50 | pb_ | cmarqu_: btw, will you be at linuxtag at the weekend? |
| 18:27.00 | cmarqu_ | pb_: yes. |
| 18:27.06 | pb_ | cmarqu_: ah, cool. |
| 18:27.13 | moray | cmarqu_: ah right, I'll see you there as well then. :) |
| 18:27.30 | cmarqu_ | moray: Great. pb_, you too? |
| 18:27.37 | pb_ | cmarqu_: yep. |
| 18:27.53 | cmarqu_ | Cooool. |
| 18:28.23 | pb_ | moray: how are you travelling there? |
| 18:28.45 | moray | pb_: I'm flying from London City to Frankfurt on Friday morning. |
| 18:29.07 | pb_ | Ah right, sounds good. |
| 18:29.56 | cmarqu_ | Do you have a place to stay? |
| 18:30.36 | moray | cmarqu_: I think Nils promised to arrange something for me - so, hopefully ;) |
| 18:30.49 | pb_ | moray: I'm flying from Heathrow to Stuttgart early on Saturday, then taking the train. |
| 18:31.01 | pb_ | cmarqu_: Yeah, I have a reservation at some hotel. |
| 18:31.11 | moray | pb_: Right yes, I'll take the train there from Frankfurt. |
| 18:31.26 | cmarqu_ | Oh, Stuttgart. I might have an empty seat in my car. |
| 18:31.43 | cmarqu_ | And if all else dails, I have some place to sleep as well. |
| 18:31.56 | pb_ | cmarqu_: Oh, that'd be even better. What time will you be travelling? I think my flight lands at 10:30-ish. |
| 18:33.07 | cmarqu_ | pb_: I think I'll be out a bit on Friday night, so I think 10:30 is not too late. |
| 18:33.22 | pb_ | cmarqu_: :-) |
| 18:33.25 | cmarqu_ | The airport is on the other side of Suttgart though. |
| 18:33.56 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 18:35.03 | cmarqu_ | Argh. They have a cool new beta web interface for the public transportation, but it's German only. |
| 18:35.23 | cmarqu_ | It's pretty easy to get to a station near me though. |
| 18:35.51 | pb_ | Right, I'm sure I can manage that. |
| 18:36.37 | cmarqu_ | And I'll pick you up at the station then, your cellphone is likely to work... |
| 18:36.49 | cmarqu_ | http://www.vvs.de:8080/vvs/vvs/vvs_frame_engl.htm |
| 18:37.10 | pb_ | Great. |
| 18:37.59 | cmarqu_ | Airport --> Crailsheimer Str. 11 |
| 18:38.11 | cmarqu_ | City: Stuttgart |
| 18:38.34 | cmarqu_ | Oh, the english version *is* the new version, cool. |
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| 18:39.36 | cmarqu_ | pb_: You can click those little icons and get vectorized PDFs with maps. |
| 18:39.46 | pb_ | Ah, neat. |
| 18:40.25 | cmarqu_ | It's funny how they tell you to enter my place through the sleeping room window. |
| 18:40.32 | pb_ | Heh |
| 18:41.18 | cmarqu_ | Oh, oops, they have some strange routing sometimes. |
| 18:42.39 | cmarqu_ | Take whatever brings you to "Hauptbahnhof (Arnulf-Klett-Platz)", then take U5 towards Freiberg. Hop off at "Kelterplatz". |
| 18:43.19 | pb_ | Okay. |
| 18:46.00 | BBrox | Hmmm, cool, seems to have a lot of ARM fixes occuring lately in QEMU |
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| 18:46.51 | pb_ | aha, now zen.co.uk lives for me also. |
| 18:49.59 | moray | ah right. |
| 18:50.43 | moray | did you have any more success with the GPG stuff yet? |
| 18:51.43 | pb_ | no, I was waiting for the connection to my mail server to come back so I could try again. |
| 18:51.46 | pb_ | let me have a go now. |
| 19:13.00 | pb_ | hm, now I can connect to the server, but can't log in to it. |
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| 20:03.03 | pb_ | dc_: up to your old disconnecting tricks again I see. |
| 20:03.06 | dc_ | :-\ |
| 20:03.29 | pb_ | well, I just checked in a very preliminary version of nsqld. |
| 20:05.41 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.42 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 20:09.57 | jg | pb_: oh dear sounds right.... |
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| 20:25.02 | pb_ | hell. looks like exim and spamd ran amok and consumed all memory. |
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| 20:55.04 | dc_ | mmm |
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| 20:57.16 | pb_ | hrm. |
| 20:57.21 | pb_ | well, I had to shut my mail server off in the end. |
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| 22:45.22 | pigeon | AntiProxy: Oh my god. |
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| 23:11.38 | sfrooz | Hello all ! there is a way to transfer data from kaddress to gpe-contacts ? |
| 23:17.50 | moray | erm, the best method without writing new code is probably to export vcards and use the tool in the gpe-beam package to import them |
| 23:18.23 | moray | Unfortunately we still don't have a sensible synchronisation scheme. |
| 23:21.27 | sfrooz | my problem is... that I have 300 address into kaddress and I need to transfer all to my ipaq.... on my ipaq I have installed familiar 0.7 distribution... |
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