| 00:00.19 | pigeon | Or what about, running wince under the our bootldr? Can we trace like that? |
| 00:00.33 | pb_ | pigeon: we can see what values wince puts in the sleep-mode registers, and I think we have already plugged the same values into linux, which probably deals with most of it. But there are probably a few things that need to be handled specially. |
| 00:00.51 | pigeon | Hehe... meeting time again, brb. |
| 00:00.54 | pb_ | dc_: oh yeah |
| 00:02.34 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for mibus: btw, apropos our discussion a few days ago, I started installing geeklog on handhelds.org. |
| 00:04.53 | moray | pb_: had a chance to send back that advocation authentication yet? |
| 00:05.03 | pb_ | moray: no. tomorrow, I promise. |
| 00:05.31 | moray | ah, that would be good, thanks. |
| 00:06.01 | pb_ | might be a good idea to remind me during the day. |
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| 01:03.00 | AntiProxy | the usual dc_ phenomenon after midnight .) |
| 01:03.06 | moray | ah yes |
| 01:03.23 | AntiProxy | i wonder what happens to his connection |
| 01:03.28 | AntiProxy | turns into a pumpkin? |
| 01:03.30 | AntiProxy | lol |
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| 06:36.48 | florian | hi all |
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| 08:45.17 | pb_ | morning |
| 08:46.49 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 08:47.08 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 08:50.03 | AntiProxy | shouldn't dbus-1 be run on startup since a couple of apps now depend on it to work? (gpe-bluetooth for instance) |
| 08:50.25 | pb_ | yes. is that not happening for you? |
| 08:50.53 | AntiProxy | nope.. i have to start it manually everytime |
| 08:51.03 | AntiProxy | i only see hotplug-dbus in rcS.d |
| 08:51.11 | AntiProxy | no other dbus related init script in any run level |
| 08:51.13 | pb_ | weird. do you have /etc/init.d/dbus-1? |
| 08:51.21 | AntiProxy | yes i do.. that's how i start it |
| 08:51.28 | AntiProxy | it's just not linked in any runlevel |
| 08:51.31 | pb_ | try running the postinst by hand. |
| 08:51.38 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.54 | AntiProxy | /usr.. |
| 08:52.01 | pb_ | doh, yeah |
| 08:52.47 | AntiProxy | Starting system message bus: ln: /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d/50dbus: File exists |
| 08:53.10 | AntiProxy | hmm.. the link does NOT exist |
| 08:53.20 | AntiProxy | strange |
| 08:53.43 | pb_ | hm. okay, I'll have a look at the postinst and see what's up with it. |
| 08:54.19 | pb_ | I think it should be doing something like "update-rc.d dbus-1 defaults". |
| 08:54.21 | AntiProxy | what's the startup-monitor? ipkg info doesn't tell much about it |
| 08:54.39 | pb_ | it's the thing that displays an hourglass in the corner of the screen when an application is loading. |
| 09:02.42 | AntiProxy | gpe-what: relocation error: gpe-what: undefined symbol: mb_tray_init_session_info |
| 09:04.25 | pb_ | ah, yeah, a few gpe programs have been broken by the libmb changes in unstable. I need to figure out what to do about that. |
| 09:05.02 | mallum | pb_: minilite at least should be easy to fix, just resync it with minivol |
| 09:05.49 | mallum | pb_: I will quickly fix minivol now actually to work better with vertical docks |
| 09:07.49 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I can make that change easily enough, but then of course it would be tied to the new matchbox and won't work in 0.7. |
| 09:08.08 | pb_ | That seems like a slightly undesirable state of affairs, but maybe there's nothing to be done about it. |
| 09:08.15 | mallum | ah right yeah I see |
| 09:08.45 | mallum | well its only 2 apps broken, and is it unstable |
| 09:10.17 | mallum | cant you just keep the current minilite for 0.7 and make a new one for unstable ? |
| 09:11.21 | pb_ | Yeah, I don't actually plan on changing minilite in 0.7. It's more than I wanted to avoid things breaking in obscure ways if people do partial upgrades. |
| 09:11.28 | pb_ | er, more that, not more than |
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| 09:12.20 | florian | re |
| 09:12.27 | pb_ | florian: re |
| 09:13.17 | pb_ | mallum: I think the ideal solution for the future would be if libmb could be unbundled from matchbox.ipk and versioned separately, so that applications could depend on the particular ABI version they were linked against. |
| 09:13.18 | AntiProxy | has there been any change in the keymaps lately? |
| 09:13.31 | AntiProxy | s/keymaps/keycodes/ |
| 09:13.34 | mallum | pb_: hmm, I guess you could make a newer minilite depend on mb0.6 |
| 09:13.58 | mallum | pb_: yeah I plan to break it all up. I wanted to do it for 0.6 but never got round to it |
| 09:14.28 | pb_ | yep, I guess making the new minilite depend on matchbox 0.6 is the thing to do right now. |
| 09:14.56 | mallum | pb_: yeah for 0.7 I'll break it up. the debs should be broken up too ( prh ) |
| 09:16.06 | pb_ | ok, sounds cool |
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| 13:09.41 | pb_ | hi mccarthy |
| 13:09.48 | mccarthy | hi pb_ |
| 13:11.29 | mccarthy | pb_: two gpe-calendar issues.... |
| 13:11.52 | mccarthy | 1) if you add two events for the same time and then try to edit the SECOND one. it crashes |
| 13:12.11 | mccarthy | 2) I dont like the way that we display events that take multiple days (in day-view) |
| 13:12.30 | mccarthy | oh, and 3) do we actually want to put an "edit" button like that one guy suggested? |
| 13:13.10 | pb_ | probably do want an edit button, yes, since double-clicking is bad news on a touchscreen. |
| 13:13.25 | mccarthy | while I am at it 4) I would love to have a libschedule version that worked on a desktop! (that used regular old at, for example, so I can use gpe-calendar on both platforms) |
| 13:13.39 | pb_ | yep, good plan. should be easy enough to arrange. |
| 13:14.03 | mccarthy | pb_: do we need to make our icons smaller to *fit* an edit button? |
| 13:14.41 | mccarthy | (BTW, evolution lists multi-day events at the top, much like your reminder things... I dont know if I like this either) |
| 13:15.35 | mccarthy | one more thing... :) I would love to have year view back :) |
| 13:15.51 | mccarthy | I guess I should write these down somewhere, huh? |
| 13:16.31 | mccarthy | (I want year-view so that I can easily schedule something that is three months from now without scrolling through month view (which takes a while) so a non-clickable year view would be useless) |
| 13:19.31 | mccarthy | pb_: do we put bugzilla stuff in the main hh bugzilla now? |
| 13:33.52 | mccarthy | Hey, should we simply change the "new" icon to become an "edit" icon whenever an existing event is highlighted?! |
| 13:37.30 | mccarthy | pb_: OK. I am done flooding your inbox with bugzilla commits :) |
| 13:38.09 | mccarthy | I simply left the defaults, so feel free to reassign any of them back to me if you would like to. |
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| 14:40.29 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok, cool |
| 14:41.04 | mccarthy | pb_: do you think we actually need a new button, or should we simply let the "new" button act as an edit when something is highlighted? |
| 14:42.07 | mccarthy | pb_: BTW, I changed the behavior of the week_starts_monday thingie to affect the month_view as well... (didn't upload yet though) |
| 14:43.35 | pb_ | mccarthy: I think it could be confusing if the "new" button changed its behaviour depending on context. |
| 14:43.38 | mccarthy | oops. but it makes us skip a line on the top if the MONTH starts on a sunday....darn |
| 14:43.46 | pb_ | That'd make it difficult to schedule another event at the same time as an existing one. |
| 14:44.04 | mccarthy | pb_: but that makes it crash now anyway :) |
| 14:45.53 | mccarthy | pb_: do you think we could convince florian to make an "applications" module so that one can chance the xsettings for different apps? (then maybe you could start this module directly from the apps?!) |
| 14:46.25 | pb_ | mccarthy: I think it'd be better for applications to provide their own UI, or use something like GConf schemas. |
| 14:47.16 | mccarthy | I guess I am simply saying we need to do *something* as it is quite obscure to figure out which xsettings work right now (you need to look at the source) |
| 14:54.35 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 15:02.56 | mallum | mccarthy: if we switch to gconf over dbus it'd solve them kind of problems, but may introduce new ones ;-) |
| 15:11.56 | mccarthy | pb_: aha! fixed the two events bug! yeah for me...uploading to cvs |
| 15:12.42 | pb_ | mccarthy: yay, you rule. |
| 15:13.27 | mccarthy | pb_: naw. it was a small bug...we tried to grab the time, but we dont write the time twice if we have two events at the same time, so I told it to keep trying earlier rows until it gets a time |
| 15:14.06 | mallum | anyone know about utf8 and emacs ? |
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| 15:21.16 | mallum | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/mb-ch.png |
| 15:37.19 | moray | mallum: adding these to your .emacs seems to work: |
| 15:37.19 | moray | (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) |
| 15:37.19 | moray | (set-default-coding-systems 'utf-8) |
| 15:37.19 | moray | (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8) |
| 15:39.28 | moray | pb_: ah, you said I should remind you about the advocation response during the day |
| 15:47.41 | florian | pb_: I'm trying to adapt make-busyboot to create simpad images... looks like my ipkg doesn't worK: |
| 15:47.47 | florian | pb_: Cannot find package busybox. |
| 16:06.31 | mallum | moray: thanks |
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| 17:38.12 | pb_ | florian: hm, strange. |
| 17:42.28 | florian | pb_: found it: |
| 17:42.57 | florian | $ipkg update |
| 17:43.12 | florian | and then |
| 17:43.14 | florian | rm -rf $root |
| 17:43.34 | florian | Will remove your updated package files... |
| 17:44.12 | pb_ | florian: ah, yes. I fixed that on the 7plus branch, but not in the HEAD. |
| 17:45.26 | florian | ah, ok |
| 17:45.42 | pb_ | florian: are you building images from 0.7, or unstable? if the latter, you probably want to be on the branch anyway. |
| 17:47.07 | florian | pb_: just hacking with 0.7 at the moment... the simpad is lots of work |
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| 18:15.46 | pb_ | nilsf: hi! |
| 18:16.03 | nilsf | pb_: Hi! |
| 18:16.31 | nilsf | We (Florian and me) are currently trying to get a new GPE2 image for SIMpad together... LinuxTag, you know :) |
| 18:16.46 | nilsf | mallum: Are you listening? |
| 18:16.56 | pb_ | nilsf: Cool. |
| 18:17.32 | nilsf | mallum: Is your xserver-tinyx-fbdev_.... package really for XScale only? It has arch armv4l-xscale !? |
| 18:29.34 | florian | bbl |
| 18:29.52 | cmarqu_ | Hi guys |
| 18:30.43 | pb_ | hi cmarqu_ |
| 18:30.52 | pb_ | Just witnessed your upload-fest :-) |
| 18:34.07 | cmarqu_ | :) |
| 18:37.41 | mccarthy | pb_: I want to make a new gpe-calendar version to see if some of the other existing bugs are fixed by my changes, OK? |
| 18:38.13 | pb_ | mccarthy: go for it. |
| 18:38.21 | pb_ | mccarthy: 0.7 is frozen, so it is open season in unstable. |
| 18:39.05 | mccarthy | pb_: I dont know what frozen means. The new version wouldnt be in seven? |
| 18:39.11 | pb_ | mccarthy: right |
| 18:40.06 | mccarthy | so is GPE 2 being releases together with 0.7? |
| 18:40.42 | moray | mccarthy: unless there's e.g. a security issue, you're probably too late for both? |
| 18:41.07 | pb_ | mccarthy: yes. |
| 18:42.22 | cmarqu_ | Uhm, where in CVS is ipkg-build? |
| 18:42.40 | pb_ | In ipkg-utils, I think. |
| 18:42.54 | pb_ | Oh, did package-upload.cgi whine that yours was out of date? |
| 18:43.16 | cmarqu_ | No, but I want to get the latest version of ipkg-deb-build. |
| 18:43.25 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 18:43.37 | cmarqu_ | familiar/dist/ipkg/ does not have it at least. |
| 18:43.48 | cmarqu_ | The utils directory that used to be there is empty. |
| 18:44.15 | cmarqu_ | Ah, there. |
| 18:45.02 | cmarqu_ | http://cvs.handhelds.org/sources.html is not really a good start for that kind of search. |
| 18:45.41 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 18:45.41 | mccarthy | will there be any great fanfare when GPE 2 is released? I want to drink a beer in honor of it ;) |
| 18:46.01 | pb_ | mccarthy: Yes, we'll be doing a press release. I'll make sure you are alerted at the appropriate time. |
| 18:46.22 | mccarthy | pb_: thanks. I wouldnt want to drink EXTRA beer now would I? |
| 18:46.29 | cmarqu_ | Hmm, so ipkg-deb-build doesn't support the -u nor -g switch. |
| 18:46.50 | pb_ | mccarthy: that would be awful. |
| 18:48.34 | mccarthy | pb_: damn. I forgot that I cannot make my own ipkgs anymore. |
| 18:48.43 | pb_ | nilsf: what's the status with your SIMpad images at the moment? |
| 18:48.55 | mccarthy | pb_: the ipaq cluster still barfs when building the gpeclockface portion of libgpewidget |
| 18:49.05 | pb_ | mccarthy: hell. |
| 18:49.33 | pb_ | mccarthy: so long as you don't plan on uploading libgpewidget itself, you could just comment out that part of the code. |
| 18:49.33 | mccarthy | `XPointDouble' undeclared |
| 18:49.40 | pb_ | or even that entire file. |
| 18:49.52 | mccarthy | and avoiding it makes gpe-calendar not build :( |
| 18:50.02 | pb_ | oh, it does? |
| 18:50.09 | pb_ | maybe I made gpe-calendar actually use the clock. |
| 18:50.21 | mccarthy | pb_: nope. I comented out that file and get.... undefined reference to `gpe_clock_face_new' |
| 18:50.27 | pb_ | in that case, you could grab the binary ipk out of the feed, and use that library. |
| 18:50.52 | mccarthy | pb_: yep. just figured that out with a grep :) |
| 18:53.08 | mccarthy | undefined reference to `XRenderCompositeDoublePoly' |
| 18:53.18 | mccarthy | pb_: still no joy :( |
| 18:53.34 | mccarthy | what is missing on the ipaq cluster? |
| 18:54.44 | pb_ | oh, looks like libXrender is too old. |
| 18:55.31 | pb_ | you could probably use the .ipk version of that too, just stick it in some directory that comes early on the linker search path. |
| 18:55.43 | pb_ | or sweet-talk admin@handhelds.org into upgrading it somehow. |
| 18:56.09 | mccarthy | pb_: you think it is *just* libXrender? (and how would I check?) |
| 18:56.48 | pb_ | mccarthy: I think so. |
| 19:02.23 | mallum | nilsf: hey |
| 19:02.29 | mallum | nilsf: sorry was afk |
| 19:02.39 | mallum | nilsf: I think its just -mtuned for scale |
| 19:02.41 | mallum | xscale |
| 19:03.24 | mccarthy | pb_: ok. I think it build properly now.... |
| 19:03.28 | pb_ | mccarthy: great. |
| 19:04.34 | mccarthy | 0.7 being frozen means that i am likely done tracking it. i am too much of an upgrade junky to sit on a stale feed :( |
| 19:06.55 | mccarthy | pb_: I guess I am supposed to update all the translation packages as well? |
| 19:09.25 | moray | pb_: any new thoughts on libdm renaming? it doesn't yet install all its header files, and it might be as well to sort the name out first so we can put them somewhere consistent |
| 19:13.56 | mccarthy | pb_: hmmm. my month-view chages work fine on my desktop, but produce a strange result on my ipaq (I get a day in the top left corner labeled 0 that makes things crash if clicked) |
| 19:14.21 | mccarthy | pb_: I will *not* therefore upload a new ipk just yet (although I have already incremented the version number inthe Makefile) |
| 19:14.35 | mccarthy | if you get a chance to figure it out for me...feel free :) |
| 19:14.53 | mccarthy | i gotta go and will likely have some trouble since I cannot recreate the problem on x86 |
| 19:14.55 | mccarthy | later all |
| 19:14.59 | pb_ | mccarthy: later |
| 19:15.09 | pb_ | moray: no new thoughts from me. any suggestions from your end? |
| 19:15.55 | mallum | Has anyone seen this : http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AddressBook/toc.html ? |
| 19:16.00 | mallum | its pretty interesting |
| 19:16.12 | moray | pb_: well, I guess if someone's already using 'libdm' then 'libdisplaymigration' or something will have to do? |
| 19:17.28 | pb_ | sure, fine with me. wanna make that change? |
| 19:17.55 | moray | ok, will do. shall I put the header files into /usr/include/libdisplaymigration/ then? |
| 19:18.32 | moray | (there's a crypt.h and auth.h as well as the current libdh.h, which appear to be needed by teleport at least - are those all intended for general use?) |
| 19:26.02 | pb_ | yeah, best put them in for now. |
| 19:26.26 | pb_ | "client" applications only need libdm.h, but the others would be necessary if you wanted to reinvent teleport itself. |
| 19:28.26 | mallum | moray, pb_, nilsf: if you are still after c750's . prh got one from ebay uk ( 400 quid ) from a guy apparently that had a few |
| 19:29.39 | pb_ | ah right, cool |
| 19:30.19 | mallum | he drove to birmingham and picked it up apparently |
| 19:31.04 | mallum | though also sharp havn't yet released the source for c750 kernels which are different to c700's. kergoth may now more about that |
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| 19:52.21 | florian | re |
| 19:52.28 | mallum | hey florian |
| 19:52.36 | florian | hi mallum |
| 19:53.32 | pb_ | florian: re |
| 19:59.29 | nilsf | mallum: 400 what, UK-punds? |
| 19:59.45 | nilsf | Oops - sorry, pounds not punds :) |
| 19:59.58 | mallum | nilsf: yep |
| 20:00.11 | mallum | nilsf: 400 squid |
| 20:00.31 | nilsf | mallum: Hmm ... this is factor by 1.5 in EUR? |
| 20:01.05 | nilsf | mallum: I got an offer for 729US$ for the 760. Make ~700EUR. |
| 20:01.30 | mallum | nilsf: yes thats about right |
| 20:01.31 | florian | Maybe ibot knows exactly? :-) |
| 20:01.43 | florian | ibot: change 400 GBP to EUR |
| 20:01.57 | florian | ahh :-) |
| 20:02.03 | florian | ibot: thanks |
| 20:02.03 | | florian: bitte |
| 20:02.20 | florian | huh? |
| 20:02.27 | mallum | nilsf: one thing to watch out for is customs, I dont know if its a problem in germany, but in UK customs charged me a extra 70 quid when I ordered mine from conics in japan |
| 20:03.04 | nilsf | mallum: Ooops! But conics is exactly from where I also had this offer. |
| 20:03.40 | mallum | nilsf: yeah thats where I got mine from. The guy is really nice though |
| 20:03.57 | nilsf | mallum: And they also do multiple orders with reduced price. |
| 20:04.40 | mallum | florian: I noticed its pretty easy for me to space icons out more in mbdesktop, thus it should be easier to use a larger font |
| 20:05.40 | florian | mallum: This would be great - the amount of descriptive text around the icons is a real problem. |
| 20:06.34 | mallum | florian: yeah agreed |
| 20:06.56 | mallum | florian: I may add the auto font color stuff too ? |
| 20:07.32 | mallum | florian: I think height of each item is ok, I'll just add more width |
| 20:11.23 | nilsf | mallum: Have you changed the X-Server a lot since last time, i.e. before our Cambridge meeting? At least the "older" one worked on the SIMpad OK. |
| 20:12.16 | nilsf | mallum: The older one was this xtslib.tgz you once had in your dir. |
| 20:12.31 | florian | mallum: yep, sounds good... both. i think the auto color stuff should be pretty small in code... |
| 20:13.01 | mallum | nilsf: it should work ok. |
| 20:13.34 | mallum | nilsf: I run the same packages on my ipaq |
| 20:14.50 | mallum | florian: yep right, but then drop the color being configured via xsettings ? |
| 20:16.25 | florian | mallum: what about an additional setting that overrides the xsettings color setting? |
| 20:16.29 | nilsf | mallum: Fine! |
| 20:18.50 | mallum | florian: Im thinking still read the cmd line option for font color, which sets it solid and overides auto stuff etc |
| 20:19.20 | mallum | florian: but apart from that its just set by auto |
| 20:22.41 | florian | mallum: yes, should be as well easy to use as easy to implement in this way... |
| 20:23.04 | cmarqu_ | florian: in http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30759.png, I'd move Voltage to the bottom, since "charging" and "AC connected" are pretty related things. |
| 20:23.13 | mallum | then if people *really* want to change the font color they can |
| 20:24.40 | mallum | florian: hmm, I should make miniapm check if batteryinfo exists and launch it on click if true |
| 20:26.34 | cmarqu_ | florian: and the "unkn." doesn't look insensitive - maybe just don't write any text there? |
| 20:29.33 | mallum | any thoughts on writing a panel app policy ? |
| 20:32.22 | mallum | cmarqu_: we need a policy before you get your hat |
| 20:32.28 | cmarqu_ | :/ |
| 20:32.52 | mallum | otherwise the entire planet would decend into total chaos |
| 20:37.32 | nilsf | cmarqu_: Ah hi... you will be at LinuxTag, right? |
| 20:38.34 | cmarqu_ | nilsf: Yup. Probably from Friday on. |
| 20:38.51 | nilsf | cmarqu_: Fine! |
| 20:39.05 | nilsf | cmarqu_: Could you please email me your address for the invoice? |
| 20:39.07 | florian | cmarqu_: Good idea about the labels... |
| 20:39.24 | cmarqu_ | nilsf: Timo will be there on Saturday FWIW |
| 20:39.35 | nilsf | cmarqu_: Even perfecter :) |
| 20:40.11 | cmarqu_ | nilsf: Mail is out. |
| 20:40.14 | florian | mallum: This would be cool... btw. is it easy to make miniapm run on other platforms like the sompad? |
| 20:40.31 | florian | s/sompad/simpad |
| 20:40.32 | nilsf | florian: Your SIMpad has just been flashed :) |
| 20:40.57 | florian | nilsf: wee... eh... a new image? |
| 20:40.59 | nilsf | florian: Shouldn't be that much of a problem if the apm interface is supported. |
| 20:41.13 | nilsf | florian: Just my "old" image with new kernel... step by step... |
| 20:41.49 | florian | cmarqu_: The idea about bar is good too... let me look at this |
| 20:42.03 | nilsf | What the hell is "jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x011e000c: 0x381e instead" |
| 20:42.41 | mallum | florian: yes, even *bsd I think |
| 20:43.12 | mallum | cmarqu_: maybe we should start a wiki page ? |
| 20:43.40 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Maybe, but I don't know too much about requirements for panel apps. |
| 20:44.06 | moray | pb_: this is a reminder, before I go out for a while ;) |
| 20:45.29 | mallum | cmarqu_: me niether :/ I think thats why we need some |
| 20:47.03 | mallum | cmarqu_: eg should they pop up message bubbles or a menu with options or enlarge ( minibat ). is it ok with app launchers aligned to left, everything to right. Should things like minicalc, word completion thing etc really be panel apps ? etc etc |
| 20:47.26 | florian | cmarqu_: I fear i had the idea about removing the text from the unused bar before... i must have changed this yesterday :-) |
| 20:48.02 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Hmm. It's not a GPE thing per se... do you have another point to hang this wiki node on? |
| 20:48.06 | cmarqu_ | florian: Ha! :) |
| 20:48.43 | mallum | cmarqu_: it is a gpe thing ! |
| 20:49.49 | mallum | cmarqu_: why do you think it is not ? |
| 20:50.05 | florian | nilsf: looks like a filesystem problem.... |
| 20:50.23 | cmarqu_ | mallum: I confused them with the old applets |
| 20:50.42 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Maybe a new section on http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GpeHIG ? |
| 20:51.18 | mallum | cmarqu_: its not a hig issue either I dont think |
| 20:51.31 | mallum | cmarqu_: does the gnome hig go into how the gnome panel behaves ? |
| 20:51.45 | mallum | panel applets rather |
| 20:52.11 | cmarqu_ | mallum: No, but it could. For instance, how things in the notification area should behave |
| 20:52.27 | cmarqu_ | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GpeHacking is another okay node maybe |
| 20:52.45 | florian | cmarqu_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23242.png |
| 20:53.15 | florian | cmarqu_: "Lifetime" changes to "AC connected" if necessary... |
| 20:53.35 | cmarqu_ | Yep, better. |
| 20:53.55 | cmarqu_ | Just the "status: high" is a bit awkward... |
| 20:54.12 | nilsf | florian: Your SIMpad boots and almost works perfectly :) |
| 20:54.37 | nilsf | florian: The kernel is improved, i.e. PCMCIA seems to survive suspend as well as the sound. |
| 20:54.53 | florian | cmarqu_: Yeah - that's directly from the kernel... any idea about a better label? |
| 20:55.05 | cmarqu_ | Maybe "Remaining: 271 min" and "Charging (AC connected)", and lose "Status" altogether? |
| 20:55.21 | florian | nilsf: yeah! cooool |
| 20:55.35 | nilsf | florian: But still all the old GPE stuff... |
| 20:55.38 | cmarqu_ | Could you maybe have 3 batteries? In that case, they would even fit. |
| 20:55.43 | florian | nilsf: I wish it would be the same with the wireless lan drivers :-/ |
| 20:56.11 | florian | nilsf: this should be easy to update... |
| 20:56.17 | nilsf | Have not yet tested those with the SIMpas... |
| 20:56.44 | nilsf | florian: But good idea :) Where is my card... |
| 20:57.51 | florian | cmarqu_: how boring ;-) but this is what i could think of... |
| 20:57.51 | cmarqu_ | And does a user really care about the chemicals in the battery? Maybe there is better info we can display there, like "learning cycle has never been completed"? |
| 20:57.51 | mallum | florian: GpeHacking appears out of date btw, its still pointing at debian menu policy |
| 20:57.55 | cmarqu_ | mallum: Delete it :) |
| 20:58.05 | florian | cmarqu_: i don't think so - there is no support for 2 batteries in kernel at the moment |
| 20:58.38 | florian | mallum: hell... we neeed more time! |
| 20:58.59 | florian | nilsf: ehhh... your dwl-650? |
| 20:59.07 | cmarqu_ | Would be cool if we had a curve for the estimated lifetime, that changed depending on current current. |
| 20:59.19 | cmarqu_ | (wasn't that a nice end?) |
| 20:59.31 | florian | :-) |
| 21:00.45 | cmarqu_ | Well, I'm just thinking aloud, it's too much work for now. |
| 21:00.54 | florian | cmarqu_: The information about learning and learning state is really interesting... but it looks like this is only in /proc |
| 21:02.30 | nilsf | florian: OK, and now it boots fine again (has to have init=/linuxrc as kernel commandline). |
| 21:02.45 | florian | nilsf: Under the pile of iPaq gadgets on the right side of my desk... |
| 21:03.01 | florian | nilsf: ahh - sounds very good! |
| 21:03.16 | nilsf | florian: Oh... I think I'd rather use the original Siemens card with it... good spirit, you know :) ? |
| 21:03.34 | florian | nilsf: yeah shure ;-) |
| 21:03.59 | florian | nilsf: But don't use my siemes ard - it's firmware is way to old! |
| 21:04.34 | florian | brb |
| 21:05.01 | nilsf | florian: Nope nope, got my own - with antenna :) |
| 21:05.14 | nilsf | florian: Hit by pcmcia.conf! It wants to use host_ap... |
| 21:05.58 | mallum | cmarqu_: okey I updated it |
| 21:06.01 | florian | nilsf: The antenna is... in my car... there is a self-made spare part under the radiator.... |
| 21:06.24 | florian | nilsf: it will work... maybe ;-) |
| 21:07.08 | florian | Does is make sense to put the new gpe-conf into 0.7? |
| 21:07.10 | florian | BRB |
| 21:10.16 | cmarqu_ | BBL |
| 21:11.14 | mallum | BBQ |
| 21:12.43 | nilsf | :) |
| 21:13.49 | flypiper | mallum: Barbi Q ?? |
| 21:16.13 | mallum | indeed |
| 21:16.33 | flypiper | :-\ |
| 21:17.31 | mallum | write who wants a burnt burger ??? |
| 21:20.01 | nilsf | mallum: Yes please!? |
| 21:20.57 | mallum | here you go (=) |
| 21:22.52 | florian | re |
| 21:22.55 | nilsf | Cool :) And a Coke please! |
| 21:25.50 | mallum | ok, here [] |
| 21:32.11 | florian | time to sleep a while... |
| 21:32.14 | florian | night all! |
| 21:35.14 | nilsf | pb_: Which is the Atmel WLAN you are having trouble with on the H5450? |
| 21:47.11 | pb_ | nilsf: AT76C503A |
| 21:49.42 | pb_ | nilsf: oh, just saw your email. I didn't know of that driver, no. thanks! |
| 22:05.05 | nilsf | pb_: Cool! Hope it helps! |
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| 22:07.55 | nilsf | perfect ... just installed most of the new packages to the SIMpad and now matchbox crashes immediately when starting _any_ application. |
| 22:07.56 | dc_ | good evening :D |
| 22:08.01 | nilsf | Hi dc_! |
| 22:08.03 | dc_ | hey nilsf! |
| 22:08.29 | dc_ | nilsf: going good? |
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| 22:13.18 | nilsf | dc_: I should ask you that question... playing connection ping-pong? |
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| 22:13.50 | dc_ | heh |
| 22:15.21 | nilsf | dc_: Poor you ... those connection problems would drive me crazy... isn't there anybody that could be blamed for it? |
| 22:15.54 | dc_ | well. I'm not sure. |
| 22:16.01 | dc_ | it only seems to be a problem with irc. |
| 22:16.10 | dc_ | as my downloads or anything arn't interuppted |
| 22:16.31 | nilsf | Is it remotely possible that the latest matchbox_0.6pre.20030630-0_arm.ipk has certain problems with some libs I forgot to update!? Grmpf... |
| 22:16.42 | nilsf | dc_: Strange... |
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| 22:29.49 | jsmanrique | heeeello |
| 22:29.53 | jsmanrique | how long! |
| 22:30.23 | dc_ | hey |
| 22:30.45 | nilsf | Why do we have two libfontconfig in the unstable feed? One libfontconfig and one libfontconfig1 ? |
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| 22:43.16 | pigeon | dc_: yo |
| 22:43.45 | dc_ | hey dude pigeon |
| 22:46.06 | pigeon | dc_: Geez... sad... there's a program for pocketpc, chinese/korean/japanese support, works under english pocketpc, with viewing as well as input, handwriting recognition input for chinese and japanese... :\ |
| 22:46.28 | dc_ | ! |
| 22:46.30 | dc_ | :-( |
| 22:46.41 | pigeon | Yeah :( |
| 22:46.59 | dc_ | obviously it's really crappy, but still. |
| 22:47.02 | dc_ | hehe ;-) |
| 22:47.19 | pigeon | Hehe |
| 22:47.34 | pigeon | Unfortunately (or fortunately), that software works pretty well :\ |
| 22:48.13 | dc_ | that sucks even more |
| 22:48.29 | pigeon | ;) |
| 22:49.30 | pigeon | Free Unicode True Type Font (For Windows CE and PocketPC/PocketPC 2002) (Japanese, Chinese, Korea, Russian, Greek, Western, Central Europe, South Europe, Baltic, Cyrillic ) |
| 22:49.47 | pigeon | Need to try this on linux. |
| 22:49.48 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 22:49.52 | pigeon | (The font I mean) |
| 22:49.59 | pigeon | pb_: hey! |
| 22:50.03 | pb_ | pigeon: yo! |
| 22:50.06 | dc_ | hey mr pb_! |
| 22:50.15 | pb_ | nilsf: is anything using libfontconfig? |
| 22:50.34 | pb_ | if not, I'll nuke it from the feed. |
| 22:51.02 | pb_ | dc_: what's the news? |
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| 22:52.20 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:52.35 | pb_ | dc_: you should find a proxy to run your irc connections through. |
| 22:53.44 | dc_ | ironicly enough. it's already running through a proxy. |
| 22:54.06 | pigeon | There are so many things we want to do. |
| 22:54.51 | pb_ | dc_: aha |
| 22:54.57 | pb_ | pigeon: always the way |
| 22:57.22 | pigeon | pb_: Sad isn't it. |
| 22:58.03 | pb_ | Well, I can think of worse things. |
| 22:58.45 | pigeon | True... |
| 22:58.57 | pb_ | pigeon: btw, did you see that mail on the bootldr list from the dude with the xda? |
| 22:59.30 | pigeon | Yes... making good progress. |
| 23:00.51 | pb_ | Yep. |
| 23:01.06 | pigeon | His last post on the xda forum was also pretty exciting. |
| 23:01.24 | pigeon | (In fact, I'm not sure if it's the same guy) |
| 23:08.48 | pigeon | Gee, I wish I could help :( |
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| 23:13.19 | pigeon | Maybe I should start understanding how bootldr works. |
| 23:13.43 | pigeon | (Yet one more thing I want to do now) :)~ |
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| 23:14.38 | pigeon | dc_: Still having fun. |
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| 23:51.17 | dc_ | pigeon: always |
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