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| 00:26.22 | AntiProxy | *yawn* |
| 00:26.39 | AntiProxy | 10 hours of sleep.. i needed that .) |
| 00:27.05 | AntiProxy | ( now i have to wait 3 more hours before i can get something to eat as it's 4:30AM ) |
| 00:27.20 | __moray | eek |
| 00:27.46 | AntiProxy | anyone running unstable? |
| 00:28.27 | AntiProxy | anyone else? .) |
| 00:28.40 | __moray | Familiar unstable, you mean? |
| 00:28.55 | AntiProxy | yeah.. what else could it be? |
| 00:29.02 | __moray | Debian unstable, e.g. |
| 00:29.14 | __moray | which contains some GPE, and will have more/the rest soon |
| 00:29.17 | AntiProxy | i wouldn't ask that here.. but anyway .) |
| 00:29.27 | __moray | this isn't #familiar, you know :p |
| 00:29.41 | AntiProxy | you keep getting me there |
| 00:29.48 | AntiProxy | well.. GPE Unstable |
| 00:29.50 | AntiProxy | happy now? |
| 00:29.52 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 00:29.54 | __moray | ha |
| 00:30.04 | AntiProxy | i guess i need a warm up a bit.. i just woke up |
| 00:30.06 | __moray | well, I'm currently breaking GPE CVS ;) |
| 00:30.18 | __moray | (to be accurate, trying to unbreak it again currently) |
| 00:30.25 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22258.png |
| 00:30.32 | AntiProxy | ( a picutre is worth a thousand words ) |
| 00:30.33 | __moray | I've been doing some big cleanups, and currently nothing will build (for reasons I know) |
| 00:31.01 | AntiProxy | i can run xkbd or xstroke manually.. but i don't see them as applet options anywhere |
| 00:31.12 | AntiProxy | and. whatever happened to the move option for MB dock? |
| 00:31.37 | __moray | well, that's a matchbox/whatever issue, so mallum would be the guy to ask |
| 00:31.52 | __moray | I think he took the move option out for now, as it was badly broken |
| 00:32.03 | __moray | (and nasty code for him to try to work on) |
| 00:32.47 | AntiProxy | hmm |
| 00:39.09 | AntiProxy | ibot: message for pb_: here's the details you wanted (0.7rc3 to unstable upgrade): http://www.antiproxy.com:35000/HandHeld/misc/pb_/0.7-unstable.log |
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| 03:04.17 | treke|home | TMM1: so. when are you going to finish packaging gpe2? |
| 03:04.25 | TMM1 | wha?? |
| 03:04.27 | TMM1 | when did i start |
| 03:04.48 | __moray | treke|home: what's your question about? |
| 03:05.08 | treke|home | __moray: giving TheMasterMind1 a hard time |
| 03:05.08 | __moray | (packages of / for what) |
| 03:05.13 | __moray | hm |
| 03:05.19 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 03:06.09 | __moray | treke|home: it's still not clear which kind of package you were pretending to have expected him to have made, though |
| 03:06.35 | treke|home | __moray: GPE packages. For openembedded |
| 03:06.52 | __moray | aha, 'openembedded' would be the answer I was looking for then. |
| 03:08.47 | __moray | you openembedded guys might be interested that there should be Debian packages of much more of GPE soon |
| 03:09.06 | treke|home | cool |
| 03:09.11 | treke|home | That will help |
| 03:09.18 | __moray | (some of them are in fact ready, but won't be uploaded for a bit yet due to dependencies) |
| 03:09.27 | treke|home | a sane list of dependencies and source locations :) |
| 03:09.44 | __moray | besides meaning you can use the Debian source packages, it means we should be more aware of 'non-Familiar' needs |
| 03:10.03 | __moray | e.g. today I zapped all the old-style Familar-specific menu files (in favour of .desktop entries) |
| 03:10.12 | treke|home | cool |
| 03:10.40 | treke|home | it wasn't fun :) |
| 03:10.42 | __moray | ha |
| 03:11.13 | __moray | they're not actually very complicated, they're just not that clearly specified |
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| 07:09.39 | florian | hi all |
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| 07:35.28 | florian | good morning pb_ |
| 07:36.50 | pb_ | florian: morning! |
| 07:40.25 | florian | pb_: An error message from a postinst script - maybe interesting: |
| 07:40.30 | florian | pb_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4804.png |
| 07:41.04 | pb_ | florian: Ah, whoops. |
| 07:41.28 | pb_ | I think it's meant to be just "syslog", not "syslogd". I'll fix it. |
| 07:42.33 | florian | ah, great... |
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| 08:05.30 | florian | hi mallum |
| 08:06.47 | mallum | hey florian |
| 08:27.05 | mallum | anyone know of a gtk2/gnome2 app in current debian unstable thats guarenteed to hang ? |
| 08:30.02 | gnomehome | thats kind of an odd question |
| 08:31.35 | mallum | gnomehome: :-) |
| 08:34.50 | mallum | I can get the xine part of totem to hang at least, but the gtk part is still alive. I guess its run on seperate threads or summin |
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| 08:47.29 | mallum | hey mibus |
| 08:51.28 | gnomehome | hang on gpe? |
| 08:54.59 | mallum | gnomehome: gpe or gnome. gnome is easier for me to test |
| 08:56.55 | florian | bbl |
| 08:57.19 | mallum | gnomehome: I guess its easy for me to write an app that hangs :-) |
| 09:03.03 | gnomehome | lol |
| 09:16.28 | AntiProxy | my touchscreen is acting all weird.. i just installed gpe-task-base from unstable only.. xcalibrate runs and seems to respond just fine.. after that tap the screen anywhere and the cursor jumps to the upper left corner |
| 09:16.37 | AntiProxy | running Xipaq on it's own also shows the same behaviour |
| 09:25.15 | pb_ | AntiProxy: ah, the new calibrator in unstable has some problems still. |
| 09:25.34 | pb_ | you might need to revert to the old xcalibrate, or manually fiddle the calibration numbers. |
| 09:25.48 | AntiProxy | uh-oh |
| 09:26.30 | pb_ | I'll try to fix that today. |
| 09:28.12 | AntiProxy | hmm.. now gpe-bootsplash runs upside down .) |
| 09:31.26 | pb_ | heh |
| 09:32.08 | AntiProxy | i rebooted and things are fine now.. |
| 09:32.19 | AntiProxy | i bet running xcalibrate would mess it up again |
| 09:33.01 | pb_ | Yeah, probably. Joys of unstable. |
| 09:34.12 | mallum | maybe we should have an experimental feed |
| 09:34.13 | AntiProxy | the thing is, ipkg didn't install xcalibrate during yesterday's migration.. so i'm noticing this for the first time now |
| 09:36.46 | AntiProxy | hmm |
| 09:37.12 | AntiProxy | running gpe-bootsplash with --flip causes it to be upside down on my 3870 ( unlike what's expected based on the init script ) |
| 09:37.42 | pb_ | ah, yeah, it comes up upside down on my 3970 too. I think the initscript is probably wrong. |
| 09:37.53 | AntiProxy | it's just inverted |
| 09:38.05 | AntiProxy | seems like all devices need --flip except 3800 |
| 09:38.27 | pb_ | I'd expect to only need --flip on 3600/3700. |
| 09:38.36 | pb_ | afaik, 3100 and 3900 have the same orientation as 3800. |
| 09:38.36 | AntiProxy | which makes it the first app that runs up right on a 3800 .) |
| 09:38.41 | AntiProxy | oh |
| 09:38.57 | AntiProxy | i thought 3100 and 3800 are the ones with an upside down screen |
| 09:39.23 | pb_ | well, depends what you count as normal, but most people think of 3600 as being the upside-down one. |
| 09:40.21 | AntiProxy | draw a pixel on the top left corner of the framebuffer device.. it shows up on the bottom right corner of a 3800 display |
| 09:40.25 | AntiProxy | so i guess that's upside down .) |
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| 09:40.41 | florian | re |
| 09:40.54 | AntiProxy | re to you too |
| 09:58.11 | pb_ | AntiProxy: aha, heh. |
| 10:10.18 | mibus | hi everyone |
| 10:10.26 | mibus | pb_: done an nmf package yet? ;-) :-P |
| 10:11.00 | pb_ | mibus: hi |
| 10:11.02 | pb_ | ah, not yet. |
| 10:11.07 | pb_ | mibus: want to build one yourself? |
| 10:11.21 | mibus | pb_: i can barely build gpe-ataxx and gpe-pegged :-S |
| 10:11.33 | mibus | pb_: let alone a GST-based package |
| 10:11.44 | mibus | pb_: pleeeeeeeeease? just somewhen soonish pleeeeease? |
| 10:12.13 | pb_ | mibus: ok, I'll try to remember to do one this afternoon. |
| 10:12.27 | mibus | pb_: thankyou :-D |
| 10:14.26 | mibus | i gotta go |
| 10:14.29 | mibus | catcha later maybe |
| 10:14.33 | mibus | pb_: got your mike? |
| 10:16.42 | AntiProxy | can anyone somehow explain to me how a period is writtin in xstroke letter mode? i saw the chart on the help file and couldn't figure it out |
| 10:25.37 | pb_ | mibus: no, still haven't found it. dunno what I can have done with the stupid thing. |
| 10:27.40 | florian | pb_: did vou have any success finding a way to karlsruhe? |
| 10:30.42 | pb_ | florian: I've just been looking at stuff on the web. The quickest option seems to be to fly to Stuttgart and then take the train (~ 1 hour). These flights are quite expensive, though. Or I could fly to Köln-Bonn with Germanwings, or Frankfurt-Hahn with Ryanair, either of which would be a cheaper flight but a much longer ground journey. |
| 10:31.21 | mibus | AntiProxy: its a top-left to bottom-right stroke to enable "special character mode", then a "dot" |
| 10:31.38 | mibus | pb_: ah well i'll try to pop on later and see if dc is around |
| 10:31.39 | mibus | catcha all later |
| 10:31.43 | mibus | :) |
| 10:31.43 | pb_ | mibus: later |
| 10:32.47 | AntiProxy | umm.. i wanna do it in letter mode |
| 10:33.01 | AntiProxy | what exactly is this illustration trying to say: http://www.xstroke.org/help/alphabet_extra.png ? |
| 10:33.26 | AntiProxy | all i see is a dash for the period ( and the same for the hyphen ) |
| 10:35.10 | pb_ | AntiProxy: it's a bit unclear in the png, but looks like they are stroked in opposite directions. |
| 10:35.39 | AntiProxy | i tried it both ways.. |
| 10:35.44 | AntiProxy | i guess i should just wait for Leeds .) |
| 10:35.50 | AntiProxy | or cworth |
| 10:36.06 | florian | pb_: Yep, that's possible - Stuttgart airport is not that big... you maybe should try to check the prices for the ground travel as well. |
| 10:36.12 | pb_ | AntiProxy: also, the postscript cheat sheet says that a period is just a "dot", ie a single tap in the middle of the screen. |
| 10:36.35 | AntiProxy | that's only correct in the punctuation mode ( like mibus said ) |
| 10:36.56 | pb_ | oh, whoops, right |
| 10:37.36 | pb_ | ah, looks like a period is a double stroke. right to left, then back to right. |
| 10:37.59 | AntiProxy | ah! that does it! |
| 10:38.01 | AntiProxy | thanks pb_ |
| 10:38.07 | AntiProxy | ( how'd you figure that out? ) |
| 10:38.19 | AntiProxy | /etc/xstroke/alphabet ? .) |
| 10:39.22 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/~pb/xstroke.png |
| 10:39.56 | pb_ | looked at the postscript file with high magnification :-) |
| 10:40.06 | AntiProxy | that looks neat |
| 10:40.19 | AntiProxy | ( compared to the tiny png illustration i was using ) |
| 10:40.38 | pb_ | yeah. I think the postscript is quite readable if you print it out, but it doesn't look good at normal size on a screen. |
| 10:43.56 | pb_ | florian: www.bahn.de tells me that a train ride from Stuttgart (central station, presumably) to Karlsruhe is about 15 euros. |
| 10:45.46 | pb_ | Ground travel in the other cases is considerably more, around 50 euros each way. |
| 10:50.36 | florian | pb_: This sounds good... what is the price for a flight to Stuttgart? |
| 10:55.06 | pb_ | florian: Well, this is where it gets less good :-) Looks like about 160EUR with Lufthansa. BA is slightly cheaper, but they don't have any return flights at the time I wanted. |
| 10:59.45 | florian | pb_: ah yes, this is really much more expensive... |
| 11:06.30 | pb_ | florian: Yes. :-/ Maybe not prohibitive though, I'll need to think about it. I would plan to arrive at about midday on Saturday, stay overnight in Karlsruhe, and return on Sunday afternoon. |
| 11:08.13 | florian | pb_: Think positive: beer is much cheaper in germany ;-) |
| 11:08.47 | pb_ | florian: :-) |
| 11:20.54 | AntiProxy | a package is affixed with '2' once it's completely ported to gtk2 right? |
| 11:21.06 | AntiProxy | ( the package name that is ) |
| 11:33.41 | pb_ | AntiProxy: yes, but only if there was a pre-existing gtk1 version that we wanted to preserve. |
| 11:34.05 | AntiProxy | what about gpe-mail2? |
| 11:34.37 | pb_ | Dunno. |
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| 11:35.02 | AntiProxy | Depends: emailsync (>=0.0.12), libc6, libglib1.2, libgtk1.2, xlibs, libgtk2.0-0 |
| 11:35.22 | pb_ | AntiProxy: ah, that's just plain broken. no program has any business depending on both libgtk1.2 and libgtk2.0-0. |
| 11:35.51 | pb_ | AntiProxy: to be honest, gpe-mail is a crock. Someone needs to write a new mail client. |
| 11:36.14 | AntiProxy | i just saw a scap of balsa.. i wonder how usable that'd be |
| 11:37.38 | florian | The yopi uses Sylpheed... |
| 11:38.34 | AntiProxy | hmm.. sounds like a plan |
| 11:45.38 | pb_ | ah yes. |
| 11:55.01 | AntiProxy | it's gtk1.2 |
| 12:00.55 | pb_ | sylpheed? I thought there was a gtk2 version now. |
| 12:01.33 | pb_ | oh, maybe I thought wrong. the only one in debian does seem to be gtk1.2. |
| 12:01.35 | AntiProxy | i only checked in debian unstable |
| 12:02.20 | pb_ | http://www.homa.ne.jp/~ashie/linux/sylpheed-gtk2.html.en |
| 12:03.08 | AntiProxy | japanese is cool .) |
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| 12:05.14 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 12:36.17 | pb_ | florian: right, I just booked my airline ticket. |
| 12:37.26 | pb_ | annoyingly, Lufthansa don't seem to offer e-tickets, and obviously I'm not booking the trip very far in advance, so I had to pay an extra 15 euros to have the paper tickets couriered to me. oh well. |
| 12:55.03 | florian | pb_: There is a gtk2 patch for Sylpheed - but the original one still uses gtk1.2 |
| 12:56.10 | pb_ | florian: right, I see |
| 12:56.30 | florian | pb_: Lufthansa sucks - but Bahn AG sucks much more :-/ |
| 12:58.32 | herzi | florian: so what's the state of kde-event? |
| 13:02.31 | florian | herzi: ah yes... just spoke to nils... looks like this event will be without us. |
| 13:02.49 | herzi | okay |
| 13:03.47 | florian | herzi: This is the only evening to sleep this week... :-/ |
| 13:04.00 | herzi | :) |
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| 13:22.28 | mibus | pb_: im going to bed early, if dc_ pops on say hi. |
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| 13:22.34 | mibus | pb_: see you around! :-) |
| 13:22.53 | mibus | pb_: PS. pleeeeeease do an nmf package. email it to me if you don't want to put it in the feed :-) ta :-) |
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| 14:08.42 | mccarthy | moray: you around? |
| 14:08.45 | mccarthy | hi all :) |
| 14:08.59 | mccarthy | I am back from a nice little holiday |
| 14:09.22 | mccarthy | and ready to fix my licensing issues on gpe games I have uploaded ;-) |
| 14:14.09 | mallum | hey mccarthy |
| 14:14.37 | pb_ | hi mccarthy |
| 14:14.45 | mccarthy | hi mallum .... pb_ |
| 14:15.08 | mccarthy | did you guys see me wave as I flew over the UK yesturday?! :) |
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| 14:16.13 | mccarthy | good news. gpe-othello was hacked off of ultimate othello which is GPL'd...so gpe-othello is then also GPL'd (at least as of now :) |
| 14:16.22 | pb_ | cool. |
| 14:16.58 | mccarthy | what do I do to make that happen officially? just tell moray? ;) |
| 14:17.38 | pb_ | add a copyright/licence notice to the source, I suppose. |
| 14:18.12 | mccarthy | can I just copy it from one of the other apps? and how should I reference the fact that it came from ugothello? |
| 14:18.37 | pb_ | mccarthy: yeah, see the "This program is free software..." boilerplate in gpe-calendar and so on. |
| 14:19.04 | pb_ | probably polite to add a note explaining that it was derived from ugothello as well. |
| 14:19.16 | mallum | mccarthy: where did you go ? |
| 14:20.07 | mccarthy | mallum: germany |
| 14:20.35 | mallum | mccarthy: holiday ? |
| 14:20.59 | mccarthy | no, that part was work. going to the beach was holiday (delaware, US beach) |
| 14:21.19 | mallum | ah cool :-) |
| 14:21.22 | mccarthy | if the europe thing was holiday then I would have tried to look *somebody* up :) |
| 14:21.32 | mccarthy | rather than just wave fromt he plane |
| 14:24.53 | pb_ | mccarthy: heh. oh well, maybe you can choose europe for your holiday next time. |
| 14:25.32 | mccarthy | my wife's dad lives in delaware, so that one gets picked quite often :( |
| 14:26.03 | pb_ | ah, I see. also good if you need to form any corporations while on holiday, I suppose. |
| 14:28.33 | mccarthy | pb_: :) |
| 14:29.19 | mccarthy | one of the big US lottery games was worth $200M over holiday, so I guess it was *possible* that I would have to form a corp :) |
| 14:31.44 | mccarthy | wow. mbdock crashed my ipaq! |
| 14:32.01 | mccarthy | oops. nope, just put it to sleep...weird |
| 14:35.38 | mccarthy | any way to change the shadow color for matchbox fonts? (mallum) |
| 14:35.54 | pb_ | mccarthy: aha. well, in a couple of weeks it'll be my turn to travel to your side of the atlantic. |
| 14:36.10 | mccarthy | pb_: oh yeah? for what purpose? |
| 14:37.39 | mccarthy | hey.. if I do "cat somefile >> otherfile" I can append stuff easily....how would one PREpend stuff? (so I can add gpe statements to a bunch of files) |
| 14:38.29 | pb_ | mccarthy: linux symposium in Ottawa |
| 14:39.05 | mccarthy | pb_: ah... Ottawa is a bit far from here....but they had a good hockeyt team this year! |
| 14:41.04 | mallum | mccarthy: I think you can do it with newer gpe-conf's |
| 14:41.13 | mallum | mccarthy: otherwise theres command line switches |
| 14:41.35 | mccarthy | mallum: OK. I will look into that....are the switches doc'd on your website yet? |
| 14:41.56 | mallum | mccarthy: yes, I always doc before I make full release |
| 14:42.07 | mccarthy | mallum: good boy :) |
| 14:44.29 | mallum | mccarthy: any chance you could document the SQL schema's GPE uses ? It'd be nice to have so we can point any one wanting to implement syncing to it |
| 14:45.23 | mccarthy | mallum: hmmm. I guess that would be a good idea...I will have to check if it has changed recently. (pb_ what was the latest release of libeventdb for?!) |
| 14:53.29 | pb_ | mccarthy: um, I'm not totally sure to be honest. I just found some local changes that I'd made back in April or so, and it seemed best to check them in and make a new package. |
| 14:53.51 | pb_ | mccarthy: The idea was to have it store something in Unix time format, but I can't remember why I actually wanted that. |
| 14:54.08 | pb_ | I'm fairly sure it seemed like a good idea at the time though. |
| 14:55.02 | mccarthy | pb_: ah. I see it. I added a modified time tag (for syncing purposes) to the event_t thingie ages ago, and it looks like you are finally using it.... (or something :) |
| 14:55.11 | pb_ | mccarthy: oh right, yes, that would be it. |
| 14:55.54 | pb_ | mccarthy: I think I wanted to make it easier to do SQL queries for "give me all items that were modified later than this date". |
| 14:55.58 | mccarthy | pb_: well. actually I guess you changed it froma string to unix time....yes thats it! |
| 14:56.37 | mccarthy | how/where do you think it would be best to document the schema? |
| 14:56.59 | pb_ | mccarthy: just a text file in gpe/docs would suffice, I suppose. |
| 14:57.05 | pb_ | or an html file if you feel really enthusiastic :-) |
| 14:59.18 | mccarthy | mallum: your docs show how to change the --fontcol or how to do --no-outline, but it doesnt say how to do --outlinecol. Is this possible? |
| 15:00.09 | mallum | mccarthy: probably not |
| 15:00.48 | mallum | mccarthy: the whole idea of outlining the text was to remove the need to change its colors |
| 15:03.01 | mccarthy | mallum: ok. thanks. I just turn off outlining... |
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| 15:10.47 | mallum | mccarthy: I think the plan is, remove options and let the desktop figure out whats best depending on 1) picture or gradient - use outline 2) solid color - use solid text and figure out if black/white is best |
| 15:13.46 | mallum | mccarthy: Im trying to get rid of the zillions of stupid options and just do the right thing |
| 15:15.39 | mccarthy | mallum: that makes sense....but in my case I have a picture with a lot of whitish background so that while with black outline looks bad, but black with black outline looks worse...so I just wanted black with grey outline :) |
| 15:15.58 | mccarthy | got a meeting... |
| 15:16.03 | mccarthy | \away |
| 15:16.08 | pb_ | mccarthy: enjoy |
| 15:16.10 | mccarthy | our some such :) |
| 15:18.11 | mallum | mccarthy: use a different picture |
| 15:27.20 | florian | pb_: D you know about a problem with reading the jacket battery info on the 38xx series iPaq? |
| 15:27.46 | pb_ | florian: No. What kind of problem? |
| 15:29.02 | florian | pb_: Looks like the number of batteries is not incremented after connecting a jacket... |
| 15:30.07 | pb_ | florian: oh, hm. is this with the latest 2.4.19 kernel? |
| 15:32.52 | florian | pb_: yep, it's hh17... |
| 15:32.55 | florian | ioctl(TSfd, GET_BATTERY_STATUS, &battery_val) |
| 15:33.08 | florian | This is what i do... |
| 15:35.15 | florian | battery_val.battery_cont seems to stay 1 |
| 15:36.05 | pb_ | florian: what's in /proc/asic/battery? |
| 15:37.08 | florian | pb_: /proc/hal/battery and /proc/asic/battery show one battery |
| 15:37.19 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.19 | florian | Battery Monitor |
| 15:37.19 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:38.37 | pb_ | florian: ok. I'll take a look. |
| 15:39.48 | florian | pb_: thanks! |
| 15:47.03 | mallum | pb_: what the vm in vm86 stand for ? |
| 15:48.21 | pb_ | mallum: virtual machine? not sure. |
| 15:51.18 | mallum | pb_: I see both in X and the kernel they have vm86_ funcs, which I think usually use to speak to the bios |
| 15:51.47 | pb_ | mallum: yes, the bios would generally expect to be called in real mode. |
| 15:55.11 | pb_ | http://www.midpec.com/djgpp/protmode/index12.html#V86%20Mode has some words describing vm86 mode. |
| 15:56.21 | mallum | pb_: aha thanks |
| 15:56.35 | mallum | pb_: just trying to figure out how VESA works :/ |
| 15:56.56 | pb_ | ah, I see. |
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| 17:46.45 | florian | pb_: We intend to reate an installation image for the simpad... |
| 17:47.03 | florian | pb_: s/reate/create |
| 17:47.16 | pb_ | florian: Ah, excellent. |
| 17:47.25 | pb_ | florian: will you use make-busyboot, or some other method? |
| 17:47.57 | florian | pb_: This is my next question :-) How are the images for the ipaq created? |
| 17:49.01 | pb_ | florian: using make-busyboot :-) look in /cvs/familiar/dist/bootstrap |
| 17:53.15 | florian | pb_: ok, this looks interesting... looks this is used native, right? |
| 17:54.27 | pb_ | florian: right. |
| 17:56.02 | florian | pb_: what do i need to have installed to use it? |
| 17:56.44 | pb_ | florian: nothing special apart from ipkg, afaik |
| 18:05.44 | florian | pb_: ok, i'll continue asking when Nils or i try to use it :-) |
| 18:08.14 | florian | bbl |
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| 20:03.13 | florian | re |
| 21:00.12 | florian | pb_: The behaviour of the battery is strange at ca. 40% the status changes from "high" to "critical". |
| 21:22.17 | pb_ | it doesn't go through "low" at all? |
| 21:23.05 | pb_ | here's how it's meant to work: |
| 21:23.07 | pb_ | if ( voltage > 782 ) /* About 3.82 volts */ |
| 21:23.07 | pb_ | query->battery[0].status = H3600_BATT_STATUS_HIGH; |
| 21:23.07 | pb_ | else if ( voltage > 764 ) /* About 3.73 voltags */ |
| 21:23.07 | pb_ | query->battery[0].status = H3600_BATT_STATUS_LOW; |
| 21:23.07 | pb_ | else |
| 21:23.08 | pb_ | query->battery[0].status = H3600_BATT_STATUS_CRITICAL; |
| 21:25.31 | florian | pb_: at least i didn't saw it... my girlfriend is playing... eh testing games at the moment... i'll look what happens as soon as i have it back :-) |
| 21:29.31 | florian | pb_: maybe i'm blind - now i have "low" at 38%... |
| 21:30.38 | florian | pb_: about which percentage the "critical" section should start? |
| 21:41.50 | florian | night all |
| 22:00.16 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for AntiProxy: xtscal and busybox syslogd thing should be fixed in unstable now. |
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| 23:34.29 | pigeon | pb_: greetings |
| 23:36.27 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 23:38.23 | pigeon | Hmm it seems that, the battery/power on ipaqs do last longer with pocketpc on. :\ |
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| 23:41.12 | pigeon | dc_: yo |
| 23:41.27 | dc_ | yo mr pigeon |
| 23:41.36 | dc_ | I have morphix installed now |
| 23:41.39 | dc_ | and it rocks my world |
| 23:41.51 | pigeon | morphix? |
| 23:42.16 | dc_ | like a fully configured gnome debian install on a cd |
| 23:42.40 | dc_ | it's a live cd, and you can very easily install it to your system, based on knoppix |
| 23:42.54 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 23:43.25 | dc_ | hey pb_ |
| 23:46.08 | AntiProxy | is it me? or there's something wrong with xkbd? |
| 23:46.23 | pb_ | what kind of thing? |
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| 23:46.39 | AntiProxy | can't get the applet to load.. and when i run xkbd, the only way to close it after is to kill it |
| 23:46.51 | pb_ | pigeon: doensn't surprise me entirely that wince has better power behaviour than linux. |
| 23:46.59 | pb_ | pigeon: is that run time or suspend time? |
| 23:47.05 | pigeon | pb_: suspend time. |
| 23:47.09 | pb_ | AntiProxy: mm, weird. |
| 23:47.20 | pb_ | pigeon: which model ipaq? |
| 23:47.41 | dc_ | oh flip |
| 23:47.52 | dc_ | pb_: you running debian unstable? |
| 23:47.56 | pb_ | dc_: yeah |
| 23:48.05 | pigeon | My boss brought two ipaqs to his US trip, all fully charged, now my boss is back, and both batteries are dead. While, there's another ipaq with wince on it, and I haven't charged it for ages, and I can still turn it on now. |
| 23:48.07 | dc_ | libgtk2.0-0 from there? |
| 23:48.09 | pigeon | All 3870s. |
| 23:48.10 | pb_ | dc_: yeah |
| 23:48.24 | pb_ | dc_: btw, I finally abandoned garnome and am now using the gnome from debian. seems to be working ok so far. |
| 23:48.39 | dc_ | apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 23:48.51 | dc_ | give me libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.2.0-3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:49.03 | dc_ | what's up with that |
| 23:49.04 | pb_ | dc_: what happens if you apt-get install libpango1.0-dev? |
| 23:49.28 | dc_ | libpango1.0-dev: Depends: xlibs-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:49.42 | dc_ | xlibs-dev: Depends: xlibs (= 4.2.1-9) but 4.3.0-0ds3v1 is to be installed |
| 23:49.50 | pb_ | ah. |
| 23:49.57 | dc_ | xlibs is already the newest version. |
| 23:49.58 | pb_ | sounds like you need to install the experimental xlibs-dev. |
| 23:50.12 | dc_ | to be found where? |
| 23:50.17 | pb_ | same place you got xlibs from |
| 23:50.49 | dc_ | um. |
| 23:50.51 | pb_ | 4.3.0-0ds3v1 isn't in unstable, you must have downloaded it by hand from some other site. |
| 23:51.06 | dc_ | oh right, I guess it was install on mophix already. |
| 23:51.14 | dc_ | I guess it'd be safeish to remove and reinstall it? |
| 23:51.30 | pb_ | That'd knock you back to X 4.2.1, which might have bad effects. |
| 23:51.52 | pb_ | Probably the easiest thing is to grab a version (more or less any version) of xlibs-dev and install it with --force-depends. |
| 23:54.42 | moray | So I wasted quite some time earlier trying to debug what was wrong with my packages, when in fact it was my http_proxy setting meaning I was going via the webcache and so getting copies of the broken Packages file ;) |
| 23:55.02 | dc_ | ! |
| 23:55.04 | dc_ | doh |
| 23:55.21 | pigeon | pb_: Hmm just wondering... what's the actual problem? I mean... it's not that they don't have the ipaq's spec to have proper apm support right? |
| 23:55.41 | moray | dc_: Of course, if I looked in my browser, I got the most recent version, since that avoids the webcache for 'local' servers... |
| 23:55.44 | pb_ | pigeon: somebody needs to audit the power management code. At the moment I don't think it is nearly careful enough about the machine state. |
| 23:56.00 | pigeon | Right... |
| 23:56.14 | AntiProxy | pb_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28713.png |
| 23:56.20 | pigeon | That's kind of sad :\ |
| 23:56.31 | pb_ | pigeon: the CPU and the two ASICs each have somewhere between 30 and 100 signals that each need to be put into the right state for suspend to ensure minimal power. |
| 23:57.16 | pb_ | AntiProxy: oh right, it has no window decorations at all? I guess it is expecting to be run with monolaunch -k. |
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| 23:58.21 | pb_ | pigeon: it's painstaking and somewhat tedious work to figure out what the right setting would be for each one. |
| 23:58.37 | dc_ | oh, I like the input choser. |
| 23:58.57 | dc_ | scap 4804 |
| 23:59.34 | pigeon | pb_: Hmm right... is it possible to write some apps to trace what's wince doing with the apm stuff? |
| 23:59.56 | pb_ | pigeon: it's tricky, because obviously while the cpu is suspended you can't run software to examine its state. |
