| 00:18.12 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 00:32.29 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.2) |
| 00:42.09 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.2) |
| 00:44.00 | *** join/#gpe pigeon (~pigeon@203.206.217.82) |
| 00:52.38 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.2) |
| 01:34.14 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 01:47.04 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:06.18 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:07.20 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:07.57 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:08.18 | pigeon | dc_: wbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 02:08.47 | moray | ha |
| 02:09.01 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.2) |
| 02:09.17 | dc_ | weeeeeeeeeeee |
| 02:11.17 | moray | boing |
| 02:12.37 | dc_ | moray: what ya upto? |
| 02:13.19 | moray | erm, not much at this moment |
| 02:13.27 | moray | making a list of things I need to do in GPE packaging stuff |
| 02:13.39 | moray | (filed some more Debian ITPs today) |
| 02:13.44 | dc_ | ah cool |
| 02:13.52 | dc_ | :) |
| 02:14.05 | moray | was at the pub earlier |
| 02:14.12 | moray | you been up to much? |
| 02:14.13 | moray | ha |
| 02:14.23 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:14.43 | moray | <moray> you been up to much? |
| 02:16.17 | pigeon | dc_: wbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 02:16.31 | pigeon | (welcome back again and again and again and again and again and again and again...) |
| 02:16.42 | dc_ | moray: working :} |
| 02:16.47 | dc_ | pigeon: thank you. |
| 02:16.50 | dc_ | hehe |
| 02:18.53 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:19.07 | dc_ | this is really just silly |
| 02:23.34 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:24.13 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.2) |
| 02:25.22 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.2) |
| 02:27.53 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:29.15 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.2) |
| 02:30.29 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:32.42 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.2) |
| 02:33.25 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 02:34.30 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 04:55.13 | *** join/#gpe TheMasterMind1 (~aman@000-213-906.area4.spcsdns.net) |
| 06:19.22 | *** join/#gpe Wooble (~Woobly@d51533034.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 06:38.35 | *** join/#gpe pb_ (~pb@pc2-cmbg4-3-cust239.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 06:39.22 | pb_ | morning |
| 06:41.17 | newbie_ | morn |
| 07:28.54 | *** join/#gpe cmarqu_werk (www@vws1.kens.com) |
| 07:29.26 | pb_ | hi cmarqu_werk |
| 07:39.54 | cmarqu_werk | Hi pb_ |
| 07:56.36 | *** join/#gpe mallum (~mallum@82-35-112-58.cable.ubr07.dals.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 08:47.49 | *** join/#gpe florian (~fuchs@kc.celox-online.de) |
| 08:48.01 | florian | hi all |
| 08:52.09 | mallum | hey florian |
| 09:16.30 | *** join/#gpe pb_ (~pb@dsl-62-3-66-201.zen.co.uk) |
| 09:17.51 | florian | hello pb_ |
| 09:22.34 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 09:34.59 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 09:48.27 | florian | hi PaxAnima |
| 09:51.54 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 10:04.59 | *** join/#gpe paul ([k2zfqnHAF@212.17.60.230) |
| 10:58.11 | *** join/#gpe HET2 (~diman@chello080110092229.507.15.vie.surfer.at) |
| 11:07.29 | *** join/#gpe pigeon (~pigeon@203.206.217.82) |
| 11:44.58 | *** join/#gpe cma (www@vws1.kens.com) |
| 11:55.33 | pb_ | cma: your nick seems truncated. |
| 11:56.48 | *** join/#gpe ade (~aed@unimatrix.ex.ac.uk) |
| 11:59.35 | cma | Oh. |
| 12:26.40 | florian | brb |
| 12:37.04 | *** join/#gpe florian (~fuchs@kc.celox-online.de) |
| 12:37.16 | florian | re |
| 12:56.02 | *** join/#gpe florian (~fuchs@kc.celox-online.de) |
| 13:25.21 | mallum | pb_: finally trying out the arm X debs |
| 13:30.56 | pb_ | mallum: aha |
| 13:32.28 | mallum | pb_: no joy though, still seems to hand :/ |
| 13:36.31 | mallum | hang rather |
| 13:37.45 | mallum | I have an nvidia pci card in out now too |
| 13:43.43 | florian | pb_: Did you have success with the 54xx iPaw wlan driver? |
| 13:44.31 | florian | s/iPaw/iPaq |
| 13:51.46 | pb_ | florian: limited success. Somebody did succeed in making it work, but it seems rather unreliable. |
| 13:52.09 | mallum | pb_: fyi, it seems to be hanging on the pci scan |
| 13:52.23 | mallum | for log see #flood |
| 13:53.11 | pb_ | ah, yes, I had the same problem on my cats. |
| 13:53.45 | pb_ | I think it's upset that the ISA bridge has VGA_EN on. |
| 13:54.13 | florian | pb_: is this an issue of the driver for this chipset or something ipaq specific? |
| 13:54.23 | pb_ | florian: seems to be a general atmelwlandriver problem. |
| 13:54.47 | pb_ | florian: the only ipaq-specific part is the usb host controller, and as far as I can tell that is doing the right thing. |
| 13:55.17 | pb_ | fwiw, on my machine, it detects the card OK, can read the firmware version and MAC address, but won't associate with my AP. |
| 13:55.35 | mallum | pb_: okey it is beyond me ;-) |
| 13:55.48 | mallum | pb_: I may build a quick kdrive Xvesa and see if that works |
| 13:55.57 | pb_ | righto |
| 13:56.12 | mallum | pb_: assuming the cats firmware emulates enough x86 to do so |
| 13:56.13 | florian | pb_: eh? is this wlan module connected to an usb interface? |
| 13:56.17 | pb_ | florian: yep |
| 13:57.22 | pb_ | florian: it's an AT76C503A MAC, interfaced through USB. |
| 13:57.32 | florian | pb_: oh... is it possible to use this usb host for other devices too? |
| 13:57.55 | pb_ | florian: the USB host isn't brought out to any external connector, but you could replace the wifi daughtercard with another. |
| 13:58.06 | florian | pb_: is there documentation for coding a working driver for this chipset? |
| 13:58.32 | pb_ | florian: I'm not sure. I suspect the datasheets are under NDA with Atmel. |
| 13:58.34 | florian | hmm... couls be funny :-) |
| 13:59.34 | florian | In theory NDA is no problem - in the case it permits open source drivers... |
| 14:00.05 | pb_ | florian: yep. maybe you should get in touch with the atmelwlandriver authors. I think they have a sourceforge project. |
| 14:01.11 | mallum | pb_: I got the card in the tablet PC ( which I think is the same but minipci ) to work, but not with WEP |
| 14:01.23 | mallum | pb_: anyway jamey would know more about that as he uses it ( no wep ) |
| 14:02.23 | pb_ | florian: http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/news.html |
| 14:02.29 | florian | pb_: yep, i think i saw this some time ago... at the moment i don't have a atmel wlan device. I'm just nosy :-) |
| 14:03.03 | pb_ | mallum: ah, right. using the atmelwlandriver, or something else? |
| 14:04.18 | pb_ | florian: aha :-) |
| 14:04.46 | mallum | pb_: one sec I'll find out exactly what it is, the info came from Jamey so he definetly knows about it |
| 14:05.24 | pb_ | Right. I'd ask Jamey, but he's away visiting in-laws today. |
| 14:06.28 | mallum | pb_: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/tc1000-linux/current/0005.html |
| 14:07.09 | pb_ | thanks. |
| 14:23.43 | *** join/#gpe TheMasterMind1 (~aman@68.27.19.234) |
| 14:25.51 | moray | pb_: hm, I found a namespace collision with 'libdm' |
| 14:26.48 | pb_ | moray: oops |
| 14:26.59 | moray | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=dmapi-dev&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 14:27.52 | moray | While I doubt dmapi-dev *needs* to be installed at the same time as libdm-dev, having to conflict doesn't sound too great.... |
| 14:28.04 | pb_ | no, indeed. |
| 14:28.40 | pb_ | we could go for a startup-notificationesque "libdisplay-migration0", but that might be too much. |
| 14:29.30 | pb_ | or libgpedm, but that might appear too parochial. |
| 14:31.51 | *** join/#gpe TMM1 (~aman@68.27.96.220) |
| 14:33.26 | mallum | pb_: I think that guy on the xdg list had a patch to put it strait into gtk |
| 14:33.27 | moray | pb_: well, you only really need to type 'libdisplaymigration' (or whatever) once per programme |
| 14:34.14 | pb_ | moray: true. |
| 14:36.11 | mallum | pb_: did you ever get in touch with him ( if you know who I mean ) |
| 14:39.53 | pb_ | James Willcox? Well, there was that short thread on the mailing list, but not other than that. |
| 14:40.16 | pb_ | I haven't really looked at his latest proposals in depth yet, though they seemed fairly reasonable at a first glance. |
| 14:41.17 | mallum | I think he has patches for both gtk and metacity. Using them may give an easy route to get back from a migration |
| 14:51.28 | mallum | pb_: probably worth at least establishing some kind of contact with him ... |
| 15:01.58 | pb_ | Probably. |
| 15:09.03 | mallum | pb_: cool, you have his email ? |
| 15:13.07 | pb_ | yep |
| 15:22.33 | moray | if anyone has time to pick holes, there are some more/updated Debian packages of stuff at http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/temp/gpe/ |
| 15:23.56 | pb_ | cool. |
| 15:38.37 | *** join/#gpe olivier (~olivier@www.linux-nerd.com) |
| 16:14.43 | *** part/#gpe cmarqu_werk (www@vws1.kens.com) |
| 16:47.54 | *** join/#gpe BBrox (~ulmer@bbrox.org) |
| 18:05.25 | *** join/#gpe olivier (~olivier@www.linux-nerd.com) |
| 18:25.28 | olivier | Hi. I'm trying to follow the notes 'install a cross compiliation environnent the debian way' (from the wiki). I'm stuck at the 'install libglib' part. The «tpkg-install-libc arm-linux 'libglib2.0-0$ libglib2-dev$'» fails because of dependencies conflict. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 18:44.51 | mallum | BBrox: hey mr |
| 18:52.54 | BBrox | 'lo mallum |
| 18:53.45 | BBrox | BTW, 24 is finished here :-) |
| 18:55.33 | mallum | BBrox: hehe cool :-) |
| 18:55.50 | mallum | BBrox: have you played with the qemu arm emu on x86 ? |
| 18:55.53 | BBrox | I found the end a bit disappointing... |
| 18:56.06 | mallum | this is the 1st or 2nd series ? |
| 18:56.13 | BBrox | And no, never played with QEMU otherwise than x86 on X86 |
| 18:56.17 | BBrox | And it was the first. |
| 18:56.29 | BBrox | The identity of the 'villain' is a bit TOO far fetched :-) |
| 18:56.39 | mallum | ah yes, 2nd series kicks 1st series arse :-) |
| 18:57.26 | mallum | 1st series is still very cool though |
| 18:58.17 | BBrox | Yeah |
| 18:58.32 | mallum | BBrox: I built the 0.4.1 qemu as arm and it ran the included hello arm binary, but seg v'd on any debian arm binarys :( |
| 18:58.50 | mallum | BBrox: you have a fast net connection ? |
| 19:29.45 | *** join/#gpe pb_ (~pb@pc2-cmbg4-3-cust239.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:30.09 | BBrox | mallum: 128 / 512 |
| 19:30.32 | pb_ | re |
| 19:32.01 | BBrox | mallum: why ? |
| 20:20.07 | florian | bbl |
| 20:50.04 | mallum | of course ipkg thinks 0.6pre.2214532675 > 0.6.1 |
| 20:50.10 | mallum | doh my fualt I guess |
| 22:02.51 | *** join/#gpe florian (~fuchs@p509292DE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:03.00 | florian | re |
| 22:06.16 | *** join/#gpe herzi (~herzi@p5086BA8D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:07.09 | mallum | hey florian |
| 22:07.25 | mallum | yo, the themes selector should check ~/.themes too |
| 22:10.24 | florian | mallum: help me keep this in mind... |
| 22:11.21 | florian | mallum: how do i change the color of the bar in top of the windows? |
| 22:12.50 | mallum | bar in top of windows ? |
| 22:13.42 | florian | mallum: eh... call it title bar or whatever :-) |
| 22:14.22 | mallum | florian: see /usr/share/themes/<theme name>/matchbox/theme.xml |
| 22:17.30 | florian | mallum: ok, i tried to change some things - but without success... what's the name of the parameter to change? |
| 22:19.12 | mallum | florian: see http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/manual/themes/ |
| 22:21.55 | mallum | florian: its just one of the color defines at the top for blondie |
| 22:25.58 | florian | mallum: ah, great - nice... |
| 22:26.20 | florian | mallum: was there a particular reason to change this color for the blondie theme? |
| 22:28.05 | mallum | blue went better with the defualt desktop color, folders etc |
| 22:28.31 | mallum | np |
| 22:29.47 | florian | yep, but i think it would be better to change the default desktop color... if i remember correctly this looked like windos. |
| 22:31.35 | mallum | I dunno if gpe overides the matchbox defualt |
| 22:31.44 | mallum | currently its the same as the *new* gnome one |
| 22:32.36 | florian | Another idea - is it possible to access the currently active tasks by tabbing on the desktop "headline"? |
| 22:32.53 | florian | Ehh... what's the new gnome one? |
| 22:33.21 | mallum | how do you mean tabbing ? |
| 22:33.33 | pb_ | tapping? |
| 22:33.55 | florian | hmm.... seems to be too late for english today ;-) |
| 22:34.23 | mallum | like the normal windows ? |
| 22:34.34 | mallum | like CE ? |
| 22:34.56 | florian | what would be the correct word for "click on something" using a stylis/touchscreen? |
| 22:35.10 | florian | yep, like normal windows? |
| 22:35.30 | pb_ | florian: "tap" is the right word. |
| 22:36.21 | florian | i have no idea about CE... i think it only started onece on my ipaq :-) |
| 22:36.30 | florian | pb_: thanks... |
| 22:36.48 | florian | i think i should get some sleep... |
| 22:37.13 | mallum | florian: yeah, its on the todo for 0.7 . (x) Copy pocketpc more. |
| 22:39.09 | mallum | florian: it'll be an option to treat desktop windows like normal windows |
| 22:40.36 | florian | mallum: hmm... i'd say "improve usability by thinking" in this process it's possible to come to the same way to solve a particular problem. i'd never look at ce to copy functionality... |
| 22:43.25 | florian | oh... i don't have my key to write to hh cvs on this machine... |
| 22:43.56 | mallum | doh :/ |
| 22:44.24 | florian | Another reason to sleep a while... |
| 22:44.33 | florian | night all! |
| 22:44.42 | mallum | g'night |
| 22:45.07 | pb_ | florian: night |
| 23:50.31 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.2) |
| 23:50.41 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 23:50.48 | dc_ | morning |
| 23:51.30 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 23:52.00 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 23:52.24 | dc_ | mallum: hey! |
| 23:52.25 | dc_ | heh |
| 23:52.30 | dc_ | mallum: what size is your powerbook? |
| 23:53.06 | mallum | dc_: as in dimentions ? |
| 23:53.19 | dc_ | model rather |
| 23:53.48 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |
| 23:54.07 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dctanner@212.110.252.1) |