| 00:00.52 | mibus | __moray_: hows things? |
| 00:01.53 | __moray_ | ha |
| 00:01.55 | __moray_ | I'm fine |
| 00:02.23 | __moray_ | I'm not sure if you were around when I mentioned before, but I've been preparing Debian packages for some more of GPE |
| 00:02.24 | mibus | know much french? ;-) |
| 00:02.29 | __moray_ | er, possibly |
| 00:02.31 | mibus | No I wasn't |
| 00:02.37 | mibus | I think you mentioned it on gpe-list tho |
| 00:02.55 | mibus | gpe-othello is french... I'm trying to hack it into an Iagno clone |
| 00:04.06 | mibus | I really only came online to use babelfish :-) |
| 00:04.36 | __moray_ | ha |
| 00:04.55 | __moray_ | well, if you have a particular query, I do sometimes understand French |
| 00:05.05 | __moray_ | but I'm sure it'll be a good Learning Experience for you ;) |
| 00:05.12 | __moray_ | you could just treat it as a cipher I suppose |
| 00:05.30 | mibus | yeah well |
| 00:05.35 | mibus | just more jargon to learn really :-) |
| 00:06.50 | mibus | argh babelfish is useless |
| 00:07.00 | mibus | its only translated one of the three terms i gave it :S |
| 00:08.04 | __moray_ | you'll probably find the rest are abbreviated French slang or something... |
| 00:08.30 | mibus | yeah |
| 00:08.39 | mibus | at least there are comments too |
| 00:08.43 | __moray_ | in French? |
| 00:08.48 | mibus | they seem to be getting translated better than the variables |
| 00:08.49 | mibus | uhuh :) |
| 00:09.19 | mibus | flipping hell - "one safeguards the state precedent table" |
| 00:09.21 | mibus | :D |
| 00:09.53 | mibus | LOL - "one makes play the computer or the user, according to the case meets" |
| 00:11.19 | mibus | and "IA" == AI |
| 00:11.43 | __moray_ | mibus: it's fairly standard to translate acronyms to/from French by reversing the letters... |
| 00:12.20 | mibus | yeah |
| 00:12.25 | mibus | jblordi |
| 00:12.31 | mibus | guess what that is ? :) |
| 00:12.43 | mibus | it's the variable for computer-plays-white |
| 00:12.54 | mibus | (white = blanc) |
| 00:12.56 | mibus | jnoordi |
| 00:13.04 | mibus | is computer-plays-black (black = noir) |
| 00:13.05 | mibus | :S |
| 00:13.12 | mibus | at least I'm getting somewhere |
| 00:13.23 | mibus | but i keep feeling that I'd be faster starting from scratch :-) |
| 00:14.24 | __moray_ | hm, I wouldn't see iblcomp as that great a variable name either |
| 00:14.59 | __moray_ | and the fact they want both of those variables worries me |
| 00:15.11 | mibus | not reall |
| 00:15.13 | mibus | *really |
| 00:15.18 | mibus | it allows one or two-player human |
| 00:16.01 | mibus | what concerns me more is that it uses chars instead of ints most of the time :-) |
| 00:17.40 | mibus | aha... i've found what I'm after :-) |
| 00:18.02 | mibus | shoot |
| 00:18.08 | mibus | gnome iagno = othello |
| 00:18.13 | mibus | i meant gnome ataxx |
| 01:18.46 | mibus | OK well i have it so that the right pieces can be selected |
| 01:18.55 | mibus | now i just have to add the new game code and AI and... and I |
| 01:18.59 | mibus | I'm done :-) |
| 01:19.03 | mibus | "just" :-) |
| 01:25.26 | __moray_ | hm, I hope you add all your comments in correct French too, or things will be *really* confusing :p |
| 01:27.19 | mibus | All of my comments are 100% perfect french |
| 01:27.23 | mibus | I havent added any :-D |
| 01:27.40 | mibus | Interestingly some of the variable names look english |
| 01:27.49 | mibus | It seems to have been based on "Lights Off" |
| 01:27.56 | mibus | (based on = ripped from ;-) |
| 01:28.02 | __moray_ | hm |
| 02:33.07 | mibus | I've got most of single-player Ataxx working now |
| 02:33.15 | mibus | (well, two player i mean, no AI) |
| 02:37.48 | mibus | OK finished human-only game :-) |
| 02:37.50 | mibus | Yay! |
| 02:37.51 | mibus | :-D |
| 02:40.07 | mibus | Hm actually |
| 02:40.11 | mibus | it probably can't tell if you win |
| 02:48.38 | mibus | Yup ok both ending conditions done |
| 02:48.46 | mibus | Now i have to do the AI :-S |
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| 11:04.31 | mibus | evening all |
| 11:04.45 | mibus | pb_: get a chance to play gpe-ataxx yet? :-) |
| 11:06.36 | pb_ | mibus: evening :-) yep, I was just trying it now. |
| 11:06.56 | pb_ | seems cool. want me to check it in? |
| 11:07.40 | mibus | sure |
| 11:07.45 | mibus | there isn't an AI |
| 11:07.58 | mibus | i'm not really sure how it should work, especially with different difficulty levels :-S |
| 11:08.16 | mibus | I'm hoping to do AI next year at Uni though, maybe I should wait until then? :-) |
| 11:08.59 | pb_ | heh, maybe. |
| 11:11.59 | PaxAnima | what's ataxx? |
| 11:13.18 | pb_ | ibot, search google for ataxx |
| 11:14.16 | pb_ | It's a game, anyway, a bit like Othello. |
| 11:14.21 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 11:14.45 | mibus | PaxAnima: grab gnome-ataxx from gnome-games or something |
| 11:14.58 | mibus | PaxAnima: it's very addictive :-) |
| 11:15.11 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 11:15.36 | pb_ | Does the gnome version have AI code you could use? |
| 11:17.18 | mibus | pb_: possibly, its several pages I have to wade through |
| 11:17.32 | mibus | pb_: but I'm guessing the way the board is layed out is significantly different |
| 11:17.43 | mibus | not to mention, the code has to be decently fast |
| 11:17.50 | mibus | but I do have a copy here I'm going to read very solidly |
| 11:18.00 | mibus | it looks like it has different code for each difficulty level |
| 11:18.11 | mibus | (or at least my initial quick look-at seems to show it) |
| 11:18.19 | pb_ | right |
| 11:25.05 | pb_ | mibus: regarding your mail about only 1.5MB free, I think that would indeed be better posted to the list. |
| 11:25.44 | mibus | ok i'll write it up |
| 11:25.53 | pb_ | My personal view is that the way to address that is to make it easier for people to uninstall software they don't want, rather than reducing the size of the bootstrap image. |
| 11:27.08 | pb_ | 16MB machines are in the minority at the moment anyway, though we might see a resurgence of interest in small images when the h19xx port is working. |
| 11:31.41 | pb_ | Or, alternatively, we could give up on the idea of "one size fits all", and produce a 32MB image for 3700/3800/3900/5000/2000 users. |
| 11:32.45 | pb_ | That'd allow us to ship, for example, the contents of gpe-extra-games and a Mozilla-derived web browser. |
| 11:37.19 | mibus | that would be cool |
| 11:37.26 | mibus | the post is "out there", go reply :P |
| 11:37.44 | mibus | i'm actually wondering if we should take a more OSX-y approach to apps |
| 11:37.49 | mibus | ie. everything in a directory |
| 11:37.55 | mibus | we have enough control (IMO) to make it work |
| 11:38.05 | mibus | i mean, nothing really needs changing |
| 11:38.12 | pb_ | mmm, what'd that buy you? |
| 11:38.31 | mibus | maybe some shell scripts to make /usr/share/applications/ built from /usr/installed/*/*.desktop |
| 11:38.34 | mibus | uninstall = rm -rf |
| 11:38.38 | mibus | install = scp |
| 11:39.35 | pb_ | well, right, but we already have ipkg to handle install and uninstall. You need some way to manage dependencies and upgrades, so scp/rm -rf isn't a total solution. |
| 11:40.08 | mibus | no, but most apps we ship dont have dependencies beyond GPE |
| 11:40.25 | mibus | and for user-installable third-party apps, it could well be easier |
| 11:40.31 | pb_ | They often have library dependencies, sometimes versioned ones. |
| 11:40.38 | mibus | otherwise ipkgs have to be made, and dependencies kept etc... |
| 11:40.39 | mibus | yeah |
| 11:40.55 | mibus | hm |
| 11:41.00 | mibus | pipe-dream :( |
| 11:41.04 | pb_ | For example, the latest gpe-bluetooth depends on dbus, which needs tinylogin, which requires a busybox upgrade. |
| 11:42.37 | pb_ | Building an .ipk isn't exactly a huge exertion. It's only very slightly more time-consuming than building a distributable /usr/installed/xx tree would be. |
| 11:43.16 | mibus | yeah i know |
| 11:43.40 | mibus | but it'd be useful for people with space to spare, and packages could work across familiar versions *easily* |
| 11:44.07 | mibus | have you ever tried to upgrade a 16MB iPAQ between familiar versions? or even just sync to unstable after a few weeks? |
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| 11:44.19 | mibus | as soon as one package changes you need a new libc, and there isnt ever enough space :-S |
| 11:44.31 | mibus | (not that my idea could change _that_, but still) |
| 11:44.33 | florian | hi all |
| 11:44.47 | pb_ | We do make a conscious effort to only upgrade libc and gtk when absolutely necessary, for exactly that reason. |
| 11:44.59 | pb_ | I don't think either of those libraries has changed for several months now. |
| 11:45.42 | mibus | probably not, i havent used my ipaq for about that long :-) |
| 11:45.50 | pb_ | Upgrading between major releases of Familiar with ipkg isn't supported or recommended, both for that reason and because lots of packages don't really handle it properly. We always advise that people should reflash when going from 0.6 -> 0.7 and so on. |
| 11:46.41 | pb_ | If you have a CF card, flashing a new root image only takes about three minutes, so for most people it's not a big deal. Upgrading with ipkg would be much slower if it worked at all. |
| 11:46.48 | pb_ | hi florian! |
| 11:46.51 | mibus | pfft... i reflash for pre images :-) |
| 11:47.11 | mibus | yeah i have CF, but ive only managed to get CF-flashing working with the last bootldr update i did (for pre7 IIRC) |
| 11:47.27 | mibus | or was it _since_ pre7... ah i dunno :) |
| 11:47.47 | pb_ | Yeah, it's a fairly new feature. I think you need bootldr 2.19.55 or newer for it to work. |
| 11:48.12 | pb_ | maybe even 2.19.7x for the current images, actually. but, anyway, the recommended bootldr for 0.7 is 2.20.1, which should be fine. |
| 11:50.18 | mibus | pb_: i was thinking of adding the ability to actually see how much you've "worked" in gpe-timetracker |
| 11:50.29 | mibus | pb_: any ideas of how much info to show / how to show it? |
| 11:50.42 | mibus | i'm thinking, currently-running time in clocked-in things |
| 11:50.48 | mibus | last length in unclocked |
| 11:50.50 | mibus | in the list view |
| 11:51.00 | mibus | and a "details" view with a list of lengths |
| 11:51.10 | mibus | the biggest issue is with multiple clock-ins or clock-outs in a row :-) |
| 11:51.14 | mibus | (oh and all notes of course) |
| 11:52.11 | pb_ | mibus: that'd be cool. |
| 11:52.45 | pb_ | What'd be most useful for me would be a screen that showed a summary of time worked in the last month (say), giving a breakdown by different tasks. |
| 11:53.03 | mibus | subtasks or real tasks? |
| 11:53.14 | mibus | i'm not sure how you go about using subtasks effectively... |
| 11:53.34 | pb_ | Probably real tasks at the top level, but with an ability to drill down into them and find out how work was divided among subtasks. |
| 11:54.51 | mibus | hm ok |
| 11:55.06 | mibus | but tasks can be in/out irrespective of if subtasks are in/out |
| 11:55.20 | mibus | or should you only be able to use subtasks if you're "in" the task |
| 11:55.20 | pb_ | The way I use it is that a top-level task is either a customer or a project; if there are subtasks, they represent the detailed action items. So, a project might be "H5400 Linux Port", and some subtasks might be documentation, coding, development, customer meetings, and so on. |
| 11:55.30 | mibus | and clocking out of the task clocks you out of all subtasks? |
| 11:55.39 | mibus | ok cool |
| 11:55.42 | pb_ | Yes, that was the idea. |
| 11:55.46 | mibus | i'm planning on using it for a similar thing |
| 11:55.54 | mibus | ok so that's my next TODO after an ataxx AI then |
| 11:55.55 | mibus | :-) |
| 11:56.43 | pb_ | Ultimately, what I need to get out of timesheet at the end of the month is a count of chargeable hours for each customer. Then, if they want more detail, I need to be able to break it down and show them what I actually did for each of those hours. |
| 11:57.30 | mibus | ok cool |
| 11:57.41 | mibus | it's a shame i cant compile GPE on my laptop :-@ |
| 11:57.48 | pb_ | install debian! |
| 11:57.52 | mibus | argh |
| 11:57.56 | mibus | i might in the hols |
| 11:58.00 | mibus | gentoo runs damn fast :-) |
| 11:58.08 | mibus | its like "shit i bought a fast laptop!" :-D |
| 11:58.11 | pb_ | well, even gentoo would do :-) |
| 11:58.20 | mibus | mm but i need storage for GPE |
| 11:58.21 | mibus | hey |
| 11:58.29 | mibus | LOL |
| 11:58.29 | mibus | ROTF |
| 11:58.40 | mibus | i could install the usb-storage driver on the iPAQ |
| 11:58.47 | pb_ | heh :-) |
| 11:58.49 | mibus | and install GPE source on my CF card |
| 11:58.56 | mibus | and use my gentoo live CD to do the dev :-) |
| 11:59.07 | pb_ | Get an external firewire disk. I don't think they're very expensive. |
| 11:59.19 | mibus | shit you're right |
| 11:59.21 | mibus | i have an ipod :-$ |
| 11:59.28 | pb_ | hah |
| 11:59.37 | mibus | i'll just get a r/w hfs+ filesystem driver |
| 11:59.48 | mibus | (or reformat as FAT and use umsdos, but, ick) |
| 11:59.54 | mibus | thats a cool idea |
| 11:59.55 | mibus | :-) |
| 12:00.08 | mibus | of course, i'd have to modify the live CD, so i'd have to spend a month downloading crap... |
| 12:00.17 | mibus | (any idea how long it takes to d/l a 530MB ISO on a modem????) |
| 12:00.18 | mibus | :-) |
| 12:00.32 | pb_ | ah, no broadband internet? |
| 12:00.50 | mibus | not yet |
| 12:00.57 | mibus | i'm applying for adsl soon tho (256k) |
| 12:01.06 | mibus | hopefully i'm not too far from the exchange! :-) |
| 12:01.16 | mibus | broadband in .au is lame :-( |
| 12:01.57 | mibus | i really want to keep OSX on my laptop tho |
| 12:02.23 | mibus | for apps, general use, modem use, etc. |
| 12:02.30 | mibus | i was originally going to dual-boot |
| 12:02.36 | mibus | but i dont want to split the drive (its only 40GB) |
| 12:03.00 | mibus | mol is good, but i dont think it will talk to the hardware natively enough for what i want |
| 12:03.21 | pb_ | I did split the drive on my ibook, and it seems to have worked out ok. It'd be nice to have some more space, but I can do all I need to in 20MB or so. |
| 12:03.30 | mibus | 20**MB**?? |
| 12:03.33 | mibus | GB right? |
| 12:03.36 | pb_ | er, 20GB |
| 12:03.47 | mibus | LOL |
| 12:03.48 | mibus | good! :-) |
| 12:04.02 | pb_ | heh |
| 12:04.07 | mibus | im wondering if i should just buy a 128MB usb key |
| 12:04.22 | mibus | and use gentoo live for the rest of eternity |
| 12:04.26 | mibus | i wonder if it has gcc etc. |
| 12:04.45 | mibus | i really have to fix the key mappings tho |
| 12:04.53 | mibus | they're bizarre by default :-) |
| 12:04.57 | pb_ | otoh, the ibook isn't my main computer, so that reduces the amount of storage I need. |
| 12:05.22 | pb_ | What was the problem with developing gpe under OSX again? |
| 12:05.33 | mibus | it handles shared libs very differently |
| 12:05.38 | mibus | gcc -shared doesn't work :-@ |
| 12:05.52 | pb_ | ah, suck. |
| 12:05.53 | mibus | and i just found a bug in gentoo live :-@ |
| 12:05.54 | mibus | yeah |
| 12:06.00 | mibus | there is a way to do it |
| 12:06.09 | mibus | but shared libs on darwin can't be dlopen()'d |
| 12:06.10 | mibus | !!! |
| 12:06.24 | pb_ | double suck. sounds like linux in libc4 days. |
| 12:07.35 | mibus | i don't go back that far i'm afraid |
| 12:07.39 | mibus | (rh5.0) |
| 12:08.42 | mibus | i just wish someone had ported mac-on-linux to darwin already :-( |
| 12:09.01 | mibus | i looked, about 90% compiles fine, but the rest is so far above my head it bleeds :-( |
| 12:14.17 | mibus | ok my gentoo cd has gcc 3.2.2 |
| 12:14.33 | mibus | ooh |
| 12:14.40 | mibus | it has a hfs+ module |
| 12:21.23 | mibus | um |
| 12:21.28 | mibus | i dont know how to make it work :-S |
| 12:29.06 | pb_ | well, I replied to your note on the list. |
| 12:36.52 | mibus | and i replied to your reply :P |
| 12:48.24 | pb_ | likewise! |
| 12:49.28 | mibus | likewise likewise! :-P |
| 12:49.57 | pb_ | Crikey, a veritable mailstorm. |
| 12:53.37 | mibus | :-) |
| 12:53.44 | mibus | whats everyone going to think when they get up? ;-) |
| 12:53.47 | mibus | what time is it? |
| 12:54.16 | pb_ | over here? nearly 2PM. |
| 12:55.02 | mibus | cool |
| 12:55.06 | mibus | its 10:30PM :-S |
| 12:55.10 | mibus | monday tomorrow :-( |
| 12:55.14 | mibus | *sigh* |
| 12:55.23 | mibus | i need to make a TODO list or im going to forget everything now :-) |
| 12:55.39 | pb_ | heh |
| 12:57.51 | pb_ | ibot, sunday? |
| 12:57.52 | | Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). |
| 12:59.01 | mibus | :-) |
| 12:59.06 | mibus | ibot, monday? |
| 12:59.07 | | rumour has it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon, or a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs |
| 12:59.18 | mibus | ROTF |
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| 13:02.44 | mibus | its getting late... |
| 13:03.19 | mibus | (about time i _used_ the damn thing... only had it since my Palm IIIe died back in 1st year Uni :-) |
| 13:04.08 | flypiper | mibus: becareful with it them it's almost an antique :) |
| 13:04.09 | mibus | at least i dont need my CF jacket now, it makes it so much smaller |
| 13:04.17 | mibus | not to mention more stable |
| 13:04.20 | mibus | flypiper: oi! |
| 13:04.25 | mibus | :-) |
| 13:04.33 | pb_ | hah |
| 13:04.35 | pb_ | morning flypiper |
| 13:04.45 | flypiper | pb_: morning |
| 13:04.49 | mibus | morning? im about to go to bed! :-) |
| 13:05.11 | flypiper | mibus: coffee is brewing :\ |
| 13:05.26 | mibus | argh i need some if i stay up any later :-) |
| 13:08.03 | mibus | wait a mo... my laptop under gentoo should be able to do usb-net |
| 13:08.05 | mibus | *idea* |
| 13:08.06 | mibus | :-) |
| 13:13.45 | mibus | heh |
| 13:13.57 | mibus | pb_: i can store stuff on my CF card and scp it from my ipaq as-needed :-) |
| 13:13.59 | mibus | ROTF |
| 13:14.08 | pb_ | aha :-) |
| 13:14.15 | mibus | of course, that involves stuff thats only ever left at home (ie. the cradle & now CF jacket) |
| 13:14.24 | mibus | so its as good as just using this PC instead :-D |
| 13:15.11 | pb_ | mibus: get a bluetooth dongle for your ibook, and one of those Toshiba bluetooth hard drives. |
| 13:17.37 | mibus | pb_: and a mortgate to buy all this stuff |
| 13:17.49 | mibus | morgage? |
| 13:17.55 | mibus | ibot: mibus? |
| 13:17.56 | | from memory, mibus is gpe-appmgr author Robert Mibus, Uni student in Adelaide, Australia. See http://handhelds.org/~mibus/ or email mailto:mibus@bigpond.com or http://www.advogato.org/person/mibus/ or a snapshot from the mibuscam: http://handhelds.org/~mibus/bleh.png |
| 13:18.06 | mibus | ibot: mibus is also a dork that can't spell |
| 13:18.07 | | mibus: okay |
| 13:18.10 | mibus | :-) |
| 13:18.13 | mibus | mibus: dc |
| 13:18.17 | mibus | argh |
| 13:18.18 | mibus | ibot: dc |
| 13:18.18 | | extra, extra, read all about it, dc is better known as dc_ |
| 13:18.22 | mibus | ibot: dc_ |
| 13:18.22 | | i guess dc_ is a young iPaq hacker or has an email mailto:dctanner@magenet.com or the "added pixmaps to <file>.c" changelog man or a person who loses mibus' code or http://handhelds.org/~cmarqu/dc.jpg |
| 13:18.40 | mibus | heh |
| 13:18.47 | mibus | he still has that "loses code" bit in there :-) |
| 13:21.37 | pb_ | mibus: a bluetooth dongle only costs about US$20. Even in AUD I don't think that would be a very frightening sum. |
| 13:22.01 | pb_ | admittedly the bluetooth hard drives are really expensive though. probably into four figures in AUD. |
| 13:22.03 | mibus | $30AUD |
| 13:22.05 | mibus | thats ok |
| 13:22.10 | mibus | what about the drives? |
| 13:22.21 | mibus | i think it'd be easier just to dual-boot, or develop at home |
| 13:22.23 | pb_ | I think about US$700 |
| 13:22.34 | mibus | or just hack up gcc or the makefiles or something to _work_ :-) |
| 13:22.38 | mibus | PFHSDJHGKJSFDGHONRLKBNDOIGJLKR |
| 13:22.41 | pb_ | heh, yeah |
| 13:22.43 | mibus | that's over $1kAU |
| 13:22.50 | mibus | I can buy a COMPUTER for that!! |
| 13:23.02 | mibus | ibot: pb_ |
| 13:23.03 | | methinks pb_ is some kind of gpe hacker, mail him at mailto:pb@nexus.co.uk or to be seen on http://nexus.co.uk/company/team.html or at http://www.cyrius.com/photos/debian-uk-meet-2002/4.html |
| 13:23.11 | pb_ | well, you could make gpe use libtool, but then I'd probably have to kill you. |
| 13:23.31 | mibus | well *I* think pb_ is also insane and has too much technology that he isn't giving me :-) |
| 13:23.34 | mibus | ROTF |
| 13:23.49 | mibus | I might try to fix the makefiles then? :-) |
| 13:23.50 | pb_ | mibus: I don't actually have one of those drives myself. |
| 13:24.00 | mibus | "make UGLY_OSX_HACK=yes" ? :-) |
| 13:24.07 | pb_ | sounds appropriate. |
| 13:24.19 | mibus | pb_: no but you have other gear, like a later model ipaq IIRC |
| 13:24.31 | pb_ | that's true. |
| 13:24.39 | mibus | if i had that i could just do dev on that instead :-D |
| 13:24.45 | pb_ | benefits of not being a student. |
| 13:25.19 | pb_ | yeah, I'd like to get a hard drive for my ipaq. |
| 13:25.29 | mibus | http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/porting/shared.php |
| 13:25.34 | pb_ | it'd be cool for storing ogg files on if nothing else. |
| 13:25.35 | mibus | pb_: for a student i'm pretty well off |
| 13:25.45 | mibus | pb_: i have a 30GB ipod :P |
| 13:25.53 | mibus | pb_: i get around $1000au / month all up |
| 13:26.09 | mibus | so ~ $650USD / month i guess |
| 13:26.21 | mibus | maybe 300-320 pounds? |
| 13:26.33 | mibus | check out section 2.4 of that URL BTW |
| 13:27.04 | mibus | feel my pain? :-) |
| 13:27.19 | pb_ | yeah, just reading it now. nasty. |
| 13:27.25 | mibus | hm.. i wonder if s/-shared/-dynamiclib/ would be an OK hack |
| 13:27.29 | mibus | ill have to check it out |
| 13:27.39 | pb_ | looks like you need all that -installname stuff as well. |
| 13:27.48 | mibus | i need a new stylus too :) |
| 13:27.53 | mibus | probably |
| 13:28.01 | mibus | i really dont understand why they did it though |
| 13:28.07 | mibus | its the biggest issue i've had porting stuff over |
| 13:29.21 | pb_ | no, it all seems fairly ghastly. |
| 13:29.43 | pb_ | wonder why they didn't just use ELF like everyone else. |
| 13:29.51 | mibus | mm |
| 13:31.08 | mibus | well gentoo can store ~100MB in a ramdisk |
| 13:31.16 | mibus | so thats always a solution for the devel anyway |
| 13:31.22 | mibus | get a usb key & use gentoo |
| 13:31.31 | mibus | it has usb-storage and it looks like it works |
| 13:31.32 | mibus | actually |
| 13:31.35 | mibus | hm |
| 13:31.49 | mibus | i cant work out why /dev/scsi/* isnt being created for the ipod |
| 13:31.57 | mibus | i should get that working, its the "best" solution |
| 13:32.01 | mibus | *sigh* |
| 13:32.03 | mibus | anyway |
| 13:32.04 | pb_ | good plan |
| 13:32.08 | mibus | its past my bedtime :-) |
| 13:32.12 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:32.13 | pb_ | g'night |
| 13:32.25 | mibus | night pb_, flypiper |
| 13:32.31 | mibus | see you around! |
| 13:33.29 | pb_ | heh, good to have you back. |
| 13:33.35 | mibus | :-) |
| 13:33.51 | mibus | i'm quite happy you think so, it's nice to be wanted! |
| 13:33.57 | mibus | night! |
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| 23:49.58 | dc_ | ibot seen stargirl |
| 23:49.59 | | stargirl is currently on #gpe (1d 9h 32m 50s) |
| 23:50.13 | stargirl | I'm here, but about to disappear |
| 23:50.46 | stargirl | it's 7:50pm over here, it's a sunday, I'm at work, and I'm STARVING |
| 23:51.07 | dc_ | where is here? |
| 23:51.22 | stargirl | philadelphia, which is where I'm living this summer |
| 23:51.28 | stargirl | exciting, no? |
| 23:51.33 | dc_ | cool. |
| 23:51.35 | dc_ | :D |
| 23:51.39 | dc_ | having fun? |
| 23:51.39 | stargirl | I'm at Penn (www.upenn.edu) for the summer :-) |
| 23:51.54 | stargirl | yep lots of fun |
| 23:52.18 | dc_ | cool. |
| 23:52.30 | stargirl | right I think I should go before I pass out due to hunger |
| 23:52.38 | dc_ | I've got a coffee machine, in my room. |
| 23:52.45 | dc_ | right. |
| 23:52.52 | dc_ | back to my opengl. doh. |
| 23:52.54 | stargirl | oh well I have one of those, but I'm at work and so it's not here |
| 23:52.56 | stargirl | have fun ;-) |
| 23:53.20 | dc_ | the woman on upenn.edu is scary. |
| 23:53.23 | dc_ | I hope you don't have to meet her. |
| 23:53.50 | stargirl | wow she does look scary |
| 23:53.57 | stargirl | but I doubt I'm important enough to meet her ;-) |
| 23:54.02 | stargirl | right, gotta go, ttyl! |
| 23:54.30 | dc_ | look like UA Fanthorpe's better looking sister. |
