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| 00:09.42 | hunterkll | hey |
| 00:09.44 | hunterkll | anyone here? |
| 00:12.46 | PaxAnima | sort of |
| 00:13.28 | hunterkll | ever dual x(gpe and/or matchbox) and opie? |
| 00:13.45 | hunterkll | i kinda ipkg install sdl and it install'd gpe and matchbox and x i think |
| 00:13.54 | hunterkll | well, installed x then gpe and matchbox wm |
| 00:13.55 | hunterkll | s |
| 00:13.57 | PaxAnima | never tried it |
| 00:14.24 | hunterkll | ugh |
| 00:14.29 | hunterkll | well i've got a problem then :) |
| 00:14.52 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 00:15.06 | PaxAnima | what happened when you instaleld it? did it boot GPE? |
| 00:15.36 | hunterkll | nope :) |
| 00:15.41 | hunterkll | i havn't rebooted |
| 00:15.47 | hunterkll | i'm going for mad uptime |
| 00:15.52 | PaxAnima | heh.. |
| 00:16.01 | hunterkll | bash-2.05b# uptime |
| 00:16.01 | hunterkll | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.02 | hunterkll | like |
| 00:16.06 | hunterkll | a record in my house :) |
| 00:16.12 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 00:16.53 | hunterkll | anyway |
| 00:16.57 | hunterkll | how does one start matchbox? |
| 00:17.50 | PaxAnima | it's launched with X |
| 00:18.37 | hunterkll | how do i start x |
| 00:18.42 | hunterkll | what's the command on the commandline |
| 00:21.35 | PaxAnima | hmm.. not sure, actually... anything GPE or X stuff in /etc/init.d? |
| 00:30.11 | hunterkll | uhh lemme chk |
| 00:30.32 | hunterkll | gpe-dm |
| 00:31.41 | PaxAnima | that sounds like a good choice |
| 00:31.47 | hunterkll | heh |
| 00:32.04 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 00:33.00 | PaxAnima | time to get some sleep |
| 00:33.04 | PaxAnima | good luck, hunterkll |
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| 04:00.22 | *** topic/#gpe is GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://handhelds.org/bugzilla | Familiar 0.7 issues: http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 | New matchbox website with screenshots and docs - > http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/ | Visit comp.os.linux.embedded newsgroup | Familiar 0.7-rc3 now at http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7/install/ |
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| 11:58.44 | PaxAnima | hey, mallum |
| 12:18.04 | mallum | hey PaxAnima |
| 13:15.20 | mallum | hmm, its a pity the images are broke on this page : http://iq3630.tripod.co.jp/mac/mac.htm |
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| 17:01.08 | nebj00la | does gpe-nmf work with mp3's of all bitrates, namely 192? |
| 17:01.21 | pb_ | nebj00la: should do. it doesn't really care about bitrate. |
| 17:01.39 | nebj00la | pb_: lol |
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| 18:23.42 | PaxAnima | evening, pb_ |
| 18:24.09 | pb_ | hi PaxAnima |
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| 18:28.26 | Thelonius | mallum, i can see all the pictures on that page |
| 18:34.37 | moray | Thelonius: Hm, they seem to do some crazy thing with referers. |
| 18:35.01 | moray | Thelonius: If I try viewing one of the images on its own I get redirected elsewhere. |
| 18:35.50 | moray | oh, which says "(403 Forbidden)" somewhere on it |
| 18:47.26 | Thelonius | strange |
| 18:50.53 | PaxAnima | hmm.. doing a PIM data conversion app from the source of my old PIM is more work than I thought |
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| 18:57.01 | pb_ | dctanner: evening |
| 19:00.03 | dctanner | hey |
| 19:00.17 | dctanner | hum...I need to backup something...brb. |
| 19:01.13 | dctanner | bah, I want hotpluggable harddrive. |
| 19:01.15 | dctanner | s |
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| 21:21.31 | mallum | pb_, PaxAnima, paul, moray, cmarqu: is anyone there ? |
| 21:21.42 | paul | mallum: hi mallum |
| 21:21.49 | mallum | paul: hey |
| 21:22.02 | paul | enjoy dublin? |
| 21:22.43 | mallum | paul: yes as a location ok-ish ( where my cousin lives near bray is much nicer ), the conference was really good |
| 21:23.11 | paul | its a city.. much like any other. |
| 21:23.17 | paul | bray is nice yes. |
| 21:24.03 | moray | hi mallum |
| 21:24.26 | mallum | hey moray |
| 21:25.15 | mallum | pb_, PaxAnima, paul, moray, cmarqu: Im thinking of dumping movable apps from the mbdock , allowing apps just to be stacked from either end |
| 21:25.26 | mallum | Is that going to really upset anyone ? |
| 21:25.40 | paul | being able to move them is nice... |
| 21:25.53 | moray | mallum: well, I think having them from the ends would be more sensible for most users |
| 21:26.06 | moray | mallum: it might still be nice to have it possible to move them (change the order) |
| 21:27.02 | mallum | moray: yeah still possible, but someone will have to write a gui app to do that ( I'll provide hooks ) |
| 21:27.15 | moray | right |
| 21:27.47 | paul | mallum: eg, its nice to be able to move certain icons away from others (eg the rotate and mouse apps - i like these to be away from more commonly used apps) |
| 21:27.52 | moray | mallum: I'm not sure whether it's possible within the standard, but it would also be nice if apps could hint at their 'priority' for their position |
| 21:28.48 | mallum | moray: they will be able to 'hint' left or right |
| 21:28.56 | moray | mallum: on RISC OS you had left/right, then you could either just get added next in the queue, or if you were a system app kind of thing (e.g. the menu) you had a high priority so you always got put at the far left, e.g. |
| 21:29.23 | mallum | moray: right thats exactly what Im thinking |
| 21:29.50 | PaxAnima | mallum: sounds reasonable |
| 21:29.58 | mallum | moray: can you remember what happened when the tray got totally full up ? |
| 21:30.41 | pb_ | it started to scroll, I think. |
| 21:30.44 | moray | mallum: well, it was a desktop system, so the bar scrolled if you sat the mouse at the left/right (not very friendly) |
| 21:31.33 | mallum | hmm, how did it scroll though if they were positioned left/right ? and does anyone know what opie does when its panel gets full ? |
| 21:32.17 | mallum | moray: I think I'll make stuff like mbmenu and mbinputmgr hint right by defualt, whist most other stuff left ( though it will be changeable via a switch ) |
| 21:32.42 | mallum | moray: oops sswap left/right there |
| 21:34.03 | moray | mallum: that sounds fairly logical; I'm sure people will comment if they don't like it :) |
| 21:34.53 | mallum | moray: yeah, theres bound to be some people that dont like it, but I just wanted to get a general feel here before I do it |
| 21:35.01 | moray | sure |
| 21:36.31 | PaxAnima | wonder if neural nets can be used for character recognition... |
| 21:37.19 | moray | yes |
| 21:37.33 | PaxAnima | maybe try it out, then... |
| 21:37.35 | mallum | PaxAnima: well your brain uses a neural net dont it ? and last time I checked my recognised characters just about |
| 21:37.38 | moray | though I'd use a more rigorous approach rather than generic neural nets... |
| 21:37.56 | PaxAnima | mallum: oh well, ARTIFICIAL neural nets.. ;) |
| 21:38.08 | mallum | PaxAnima: there not the same yet ? |
| 21:38.16 | moray | PaxAnima: the probabilistic model stuff I do is like neural nets except it makes sense mathematically too ;) |
| 21:38.26 | PaxAnima | moray: ;) |
| 21:38.56 | PaxAnima | mallum: hopefully my brain isn't artificial... but who knows? ;) |
| 21:41.12 | PaxAnima | moray: haven't looked to much at HMMs... |
| 21:42.07 | moray | PaxAnima: well, HMMs are just one type of model, you can have all kinds of setups with lots of layers etc. |
| 21:42.18 | moray | PaxAnima: but they become harder and harder to train well as they get more complicated |
| 21:42.53 | PaxAnima | moray: trying out a neural net is quite easy, as I have implemented it for parts of my Master thesis... |
| 21:42.53 | moray | ... and with normal neural networks it soon becomes almost impossible to say what's going on |
| 21:42.57 | moray | ok |
| 21:43.07 | moray | backpropagation? |
| 21:43.16 | PaxAnima | yes.. basic feed forward |
| 21:43.22 | mallum | heh, has anyone heard about this canopy group ( ie sco ) owning part of trolltech and lineo |
| 21:43.31 | moray | ha, hadn't done |
| 21:44.04 | mallum | http://www.forbes.com/2003/06/18/cz_dl_0618linux.html |
| 21:44.47 | mallum | apparently they own 4.5% of trolltech I heard on another chan |
| 22:02.08 | mallum | emacs is giving me RSI |
| 22:02.14 | mallum | I may have to learn vim :( |
| 22:02.17 | PaxAnima | RSI? |
| 22:02.37 | mallum | yeah my hand hurts |
| 22:02.43 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 22:03.56 | PaxAnima | what does that got to do with emacs? |
| 22:04.59 | moray | too many convoluted key combinations? |
| 22:10.33 | mallum | yeah I think so :( |
| 22:12.07 | moray | I find it's also bad when I just keep my hands at the keyboard too long |
| 22:12.26 | moray | since I sit with them poised ready to type (at the 'home keys') |
| 22:12.45 | moray | things were actually better in the days when I looked stuff up in books rather than online |
| 22:13.01 | mallum | yeah, heh |
| 22:14.11 | moray | also in those days I stared out of the window while thinking, rather than reading IRC/random webpages... |
| 22:30.20 | pigeon | yo pb_! |
| 22:30.36 | pb_ | pigeon: yo! |
| 22:34.48 | pigeon | pb_: Do you know what sd controller does the ipaq have? |
| 22:35.11 | pb_ | pigeon: varies depending on the model. |
| 22:35.24 | pigeon | Hmm 38xx? |
| 22:35.56 | pb_ | h38xx and h39xx both use an HTC ASIC. The 3800 one is only 1-bit, so no SDIO. |
| 22:36.54 | pigeon | Ah so SDIO will not work on 38xx... bummer just got a 3870 yesterday... :\ |
| 22:38.06 | pb_ | yeah, only h3900 and h5400 can do sdio. |
| 22:41.25 | pigeon | Right... that's something I didn't know till now. |
| 22:41.41 | pigeon | And linux on h3900 is almost done? |
| 22:43.19 | pb_ | yep |
| 22:43.26 | pb_ | only thing missing is the mmc/sd driver in fact :-} |
| 22:43.49 | pigeon | doh! :) |
| 22:44.22 | pigeon | So for SD... is there actually a working binary driver for the ipaqs? |
| 22:46.58 | moray | pb_: did the Germans decide in the end what the appropriate travelling scheme would be for getting to LinuxTag? |
| 22:47.25 | pb_ | moray: no, not really. some more investigation required there. |
| 22:47.35 | moray | yes... |
| 22:48.07 | pb_ | pigeon: not yet. |
| 22:48.20 | moray | I'd consider going for at least some of it, but I need to sort it out (and what I'm doing about debconf) in the next few days |
| 22:54.50 | pigeon | pb_: Do you know which source/driver is responsible for initializing the mmc slot? |
| 22:55.10 | pb_ | pigeon: not offhand. you'd need to dig in drivers/mmc. |
| 23:05.18 | pigeon | pb_: Ok... |
| 23:15.58 | hunterkll | ugh |
| 23:16.04 | hunterkll | how do i test bootldr in ram? |
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| 23:54.14 | Ng | mkdosfs is the tool |
| 23:54.17 | Ng | err, mischan ;) |
| 23:55.22 | hunterkll | lol |