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| 02:15.41 | nelson | flypiper: could you explain the problem to me? |
| 02:17.37 | flypiper | nelson: I can try.. remember I have slept since then.. and talked to 100 people today on the phone:( |
| 02:18.04 | nelson | try it again, then! You might have done something wrong that you won't do now. |
| 02:18.39 | flypiper | Ok.. I will when I have time.. point to the download .. please? |
| 02:32.24 | nelson | flypiper: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7/install/download.html |
| 02:32.35 | nelson | Pick h3600 and gpe. |
| 02:32.59 | flypiper | that's what I did.. but I will download it again |
| 02:35.30 | flypiper | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.23 | flypiper | 4c6c8874923521054a4edebcc9345d45 bootgpe2-v0.7-rc3-h3600.tar |
| 02:56.21 | nelson | That's after downloading? |
| 02:56.42 | flypiper | yep |
| 02:56.58 | nelson | Okay, your fileset should be complete and correct. |
| 02:57.28 | flypiper | getting ready to flash it in a few |
| 03:02.01 | flypiper | started |
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| 03:13.03 | nelson | jg: hey! |
| 03:13.13 | nelson | jg: obviously you're there.... |
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| 03:16.30 | jg | nelson: obviously. |
| 03:17.42 | nelson | jg: terminal garden or hotel room? |
| 03:17.49 | nelson | jg: laptop or iPAQ? :-) |
| 03:18.14 | jg | hotel room has 802.11b.... |
| 03:18.44 | jg | nelson: sanity has finally struck in the hotel industry.... |
| 03:19.07 | jg | nelson: laptop. |
| 03:39.17 | flypiper | nelson: Erasing... |
| 03:39.36 | flypiper | nelson: Writing... |
| 03:43.58 | flypiper | nelson: jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00c00000:0x8214 id |
| 03:44.13 | flypiper | there is a not in the group of errors as follows: |
| 03:45.26 | flypiper | Node at 0x00bffc8c with length 0x00000574 would run over the end of the erase bkd |
| 03:45.42 | flypiper | Perhaps the file system was created with the wrong erase size: |
| 03:46.06 | flypiper | right before it hangs.. I have::: |
| 03:46.25 | flypiper | JFFS2 mount took 544 jiffies |
| 03:46.31 | nelson | jg: ha! Not the whole hotel industry. I've got a room in Maryland with no broadband at all. |
| 03:46.44 | flypiper | VFS: mounted root (jffs2 filesystem). |
| 03:46.52 | flypiper | Mounted devfs on /dev |
| 03:47.03 | flypiper | Freeing init memory: 64k |
| 03:47.04 | nelson | jg: then again, it's cheap-cheap, so I figure I'll just drive around until I find an open AP. :-) |
| 03:50.59 | nelson | flypiper: hrm. dunno what might be wrong. |
| 03:51.06 | flypiper | thanks.. |
| 03:51.14 | flypiper | im trying a different bootldr |
| 03:51.47 | nelson | Hrm. |
| 03:52.01 | nelson | Now I see that the machine I thought was running rc3 isn't. |
| 03:52.14 | nelson | Maybe I just ipkg updated it? |
| 03:52.37 | nelson | flypiper: sure would be mud on my face if you're right, though!!! |
| 03:53.08 | flypiper | nelson: dunno about mud anywhere.. I was just gonna check it for you |
| 04:01.59 | nelson | Florian: I don't suppose you're really here even though the user list says you're not? |
| 04:47.01 | flypiper | nelson: gonna have to do some batch processing now... ttyl |
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| 07:00.01 | florian | morning |
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| 07:24.04 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 07:24.07 | jsmanrique | good morning |
| 07:25.50 | florian | morning jsmanrique |
| 07:43.08 | jsmanrique | I hope mallum can do something with NOIA icons I've sent tonight |
| 07:43.36 | jsmanrique | adding them to GPE, it gets a nice looking, specially to show it on GUADEC :-) |
| 07:46.40 | florian | hey, this would be nice :-) |
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| 07:48.58 | Thelonius | morning |
| 07:49.08 | Thelonius | does GPE have a "Today" type app? |
| 07:49.29 | florian | hello Thelonius |
| 07:49.39 | florian | Yep, shure.... |
| 07:50.21 | jsmanrique | Thelonius : Sumary, I think that's the name for it |
| 07:50.43 | Thelonius | florian, where can i find info/screen shots for it? |
| 07:51.01 | jsmanrique | Thelonius : maybe some hacking on it is needed, i.e., openning dates and todo events from it |
| 07:51.43 | jsmanrique | Thelonius :http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-today.shtml |
| 07:51.51 | florian | Thelonius: I don't think there is documentation about it so far... it's quite new. |
| 07:52.24 | jsmanrique | Thelonius : the screenshot there is a bit old |
| 07:53.29 | Thelonius | k |
| 07:53.35 | Thelonius | is beaming supported in gpe yet? |
| 07:54.18 | florian | huh?! cool |
| 07:55.06 | florian | Hmm... not really - there is still no frontend for it... |
| 07:55.30 | Thelonius | hmm... it looks like i may have to go opie first then... |
| 07:55.32 | jsmanrique | florian : what about openobex |
| 07:55.49 | jsmanrique | florian : there is openobex for gpe, I think |
| 07:56.33 | florian | jsmanrique: yep, i think this is in familiar - but the gpe frontend is not finished. |
| 07:56.46 | jsmanrique | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=openobex&official=&format= |
| 07:56.55 | jsmanrique | florian : hmmm |
| 07:57.15 | jsmanrique | florian : it would be great to have an easy frontend for IR use |
| 07:57.41 | jsmanrique | florian : specially with new IR mobiles and calculators that support obex |
| 07:59.10 | jsmanrique | and there is just libopenobex from.... Philip Blundel |
| 07:59.13 | jsmanrique | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=libopenobex-1.0-0&official=&format= |
| 07:59.15 | florian | jsmanrique: yep, not only for obex - with a ir mobile you would be able to open a dial-up connection :-) |
| 07:59.38 | jsmanrique | florian : yes, that would be great, specially since I have one.. :-) |
| 08:00.02 | jsmanrique | florian : it would be nice adding a wap browser :-) |
| 08:01.14 | florian | jsmanrique: browsers are a real problem... a working dillo 0.7.x with ssl would make me happy |
| 08:01.28 | jsmanrique | florian : and me too, real happy :-) |
| 08:01.53 | jsmanrique | florian : I've seen mallum working on minimo (gecko based), but 15MB of RAM.. that's too much |
| 08:03.20 | jsmanrique | florian : Dillo is a ncie browser, of course, with ssl would be great |
| 08:04.04 | jsmanrique | who is playing with xstroke and new matchbox? there are some nice screenshots on handhelds scap site |
| 08:05.12 | florian | i hab the same question in mind :-) |
| 08:05.19 | florian | s/hab/had |
| 08:05.25 | jsmanrique | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7785.png |
| 08:05.29 | jsmanrique | it looks great |
| 08:05.55 | jsmanrique | well, maybe there will a problem with it an internationalitation |
| 08:06.07 | jsmanrique | an-> and |
| 08:06.08 | florian | jsmanrique: afaik there is a new ssl patch for dillo 0.7.2 - but still no gtk2 support :-/ |
| 08:06.17 | jsmanrique | florian : :-( |
| 08:07.14 | florian | jsmanrique: phil started the gtk2 port some time ago, but this seems to not so easy... |
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| 08:19.49 | florian | hi PaxAnima |
| 08:21.00 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 08:43.08 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima : hi |
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| 08:47.19 | jsmanrique | seeing the scaps, it seems that someone is using new matchbox to create a new xstroke |
| 08:47.29 | PaxAnima | hi, jsmanrique |
| 08:47.39 | jsmanrique | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30450.png |
| 08:48.05 | jsmanrique | look at that screenshot |
| 08:48.38 | jsmanrique | isn't the icon on the right the one used in pocketpc with phone/gprs support |
| 08:50.02 | jsmanrique | maybe a need IP search is needed: 82.35.112.58 |
| 08:50.24 | florian | Hmm... gsm phone support should be easy... i need more time! |
| 08:52.34 | jsmanrique | gsm on the ipaq? who? |
| 08:52.46 | jsmanrique | gsm cf cards are expensive, I think |
| 08:52.53 | jsmanrique | who -> how? |
| 08:53.34 | florian | yep, shure... ususlly this cards act like simple serial modem cards. i don't know if it's the same with grps... |
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| 09:02.55 | jsmanrique | mallum & pb_ :hi, good morning |
| 09:03.12 | jsmanrique | mallum : have you seen the noia icons I've sent you? |
| 09:03.41 | florian | hi pb_, hi mallum |
| 09:03.45 | mallum | heya |
| 09:04.32 | mallum | jsmanrique: I havn't recieved them |
| 09:05.42 | jsmanrique | mallum : I've sent them to mallum@openedhand.com, or a similar email address you have on matchbox site |
| 09:06.36 | mallum | jsmanrique: oh ok |
| 09:06.55 | florian | bbl |
| 09:07.09 | mallum | jsmanrique: hmmm |
| 09:14.52 | pb_ | hi jsmanrique |
| 09:14.53 | pb_ | hi flo |
| 09:14.57 | pb_ | ah, he left |
| 09:17.08 | cmarqu_werk | Hi guys |
| 09:17.13 | mallum | hey cmarqu_werk |
| 09:17.33 | jsmanrique | cmarqu_werk : hi |
| 09:19.27 | mallum | jsmanrique: do you want to resend that mail to breakfast@10.am ? |
| 09:19.33 | cmarqu_werk | BTW, I have added some icon link to the GPE website, if you can upload the new ones to somewhere, I could add them too. |
| 09:19.45 | cmarqu_werk | links even. |
| 09:25.34 | jsmanrique | mallum : you have to wait then |
| 09:25.58 | jsmanrique | mallum : I have the file at home, so, never before 0:00 I could send them to you |
| 09:26.19 | jsmanrique | cmarqu_werk : where? |
| 09:26.21 | mallum | jsmanrique: okey, np |
| 09:27.00 | cmarqu_werk | jsmanrique: under Links/Resources |
| 09:31.17 | jsmanrique | cmarqu_werk : but, what website? |
| 09:33.07 | jsmanrique | mallum or pb_ : do you know who is working in xstroke hacks? |
| 09:33.21 | mallum | jsmanrique: no one afaik |
| 09:33.26 | jsmanrique | have you seen the screenshots on scap site? |
| 09:33.41 | jsmanrique | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30450.png |
| 09:33.53 | jsmanrique | look at right icon... isn't that gsm support? |
| 09:34.13 | mallum | jsmanrique: thats my scap. :-) |
| 09:34.24 | mallum | jsmanrique: just new mb0.6 stuff Im playing with |
| 09:34.32 | jsmanrique | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7785.png |
| 09:34.41 | jsmanrique | mallum : that's what I've thought |
| 09:34.58 | jsmanrique | mallum : because that menu looks like mb 06 features |
| 09:35.04 | mallum | jsmanrique: its not xstroke, but a hacked xmerlin |
| 09:35.18 | mallum | jsmanrique: but unfortunatly there are some pretty serious issues with it :( |
| 09:35.24 | mallum | jsmanrique: mainly startup time |
| 09:35.45 | mallum | jsmanrique: takes approx 12 secs to start on my ipaq, which is crap |
| 09:35.53 | PaxAnima | 12 secs?? |
| 09:35.54 | jsmanrique | mallum : :-( |
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| 09:36.06 | florian | re |
| 09:36.09 | jsmanrique | mallum : xmerlin? I've heard about it for AgendaVR |
| 09:36.28 | mallum | jsmanrique: hmm, I wonder how they have it on that then ... |
| 09:37.34 | jsmanrique | mallum : http://cabmec1.cnea.gov.ar/~darie/agenda/ |
| 09:38.38 | jsmanrique | mallum : is that what you are looking for? |
| 09:41.45 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 09:42.02 | mallum | jsmanrique: yeah, dont say much about speeding it up - the problem seems to be it loading all its data files, which are massive |
| 09:48.23 | jsmanrique | mallum : ok |
| 09:52.07 | jsmanrique | since we have scripting languages for Familiar (like python or ruby), why not a syntax-highlighting editor? |
| 09:52.21 | jsmanrique | a mad idea looking at this: http://cvs.gnome.org/lxr/source/gtksourceview |
| 09:53.31 | florian | this would make it easy to create one |
| 09:54.06 | jsmanrique | or even using qemacs, that seems very light |
| 09:54.30 | jsmanrique | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemacs/ |
| 09:58.33 | mallum | jsmanrique: zile is nicer |
| 09:58.55 | jsmanrique | mallum : zile? |
| 09:59.26 | jsmanrique | mallum : ah |
| 10:04.09 | jsmanrique | mallum : yes it looks nice |
| 10:05.01 | jsmanrique | mallum : about your screenshots |
| 10:05.37 | jsmanrique | mallum : what's the rightest icon? The one tht looks like gsm phone net search |
| 10:06.01 | mallum | jsmanrique: no its just miniwave |
| 10:06.16 | jsmanrique | mallum : I thought it was gsm support :-) |
| 10:06.33 | jsmanrique | mallum : miniwav is for wireless lan, isn't it? |
| 10:07.46 | mallum | yep |
| 10:22.30 | cmarqu_werk | jsmanrique: Uh, what do you mean "which website"? I linked them on http://gpe.handhelds.org/linkres.shtml |
| 10:23.48 | jsmanrique | sorry, I haven't seen them |
| 10:25.12 | jsmanrique | a friend of mine has taken some noia icons (http://www.carlitus.com ) and use them instead of gpe default ones |
| 10:25.23 | jsmanrique | they are the icons you can see on scap site |
| 10:26.31 | cmarqu_werk | jsmanrique: But these are not available somewhere for download yet, right? |
| 10:26.48 | jsmanrique | http://www.asturlinux.org/galeria/taller-h3950?&page=2 |
| 10:26.51 | jsmanrique | not yet |
| 10:27.12 | jsmanrique | I have sent them to mallum, but maybe I did something wrong so he doesn't have them yet |
| 10:27.28 | jsmanrique | so tonight I'll upload them to my site or similar |
| 10:27.51 | jsmanrique | it would be nice to contact carlitus or use them as theme or default icons.. not sure |
| 10:28.57 | mallum | jsmanrique: the default theme should be plain and simple |
| 10:29.40 | jsmanrique | mallum : yes, agree, that's the reason I said "not sure", because I think that default them should be light, plain and simple |
| 10:30.00 | mallum | right |
| 10:30.34 | mallum | jsmanrique: you should tell your friend that with mb 0.6 all the panel apps can now easily be themed as can the directory folders on mbdesktop etc |
| 10:31.21 | jsmanrique | mallum : ok |
| 10:47.00 | jsmanrique | see you in a minute |
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| 11:07.17 | jsmanrique | I am back |
| 11:16.56 | jsmanrique | I am seeing speakers photos for guadec |
| 11:23.36 | mallum | jsmanrique: nudie photo's ? |
| 11:23.58 | pb_ | florian: darn, the latest gpe-aerial still fails with my prism card using hostap_cs in hh14. |
| 11:26.10 | jsmanrique | http://www.guadec.org/schedule/speakers.shtml |
| 11:26.40 | jsmanrique | could I use a usb webcam with the ipaq? |
| 11:27.12 | pb_ | yeah, should work. I just ordered a new webcam to try with gnomemeeting. |
| 11:27.21 | jsmanrique | ok, I should add a wireless |
| 11:27.38 | jsmanrique | pb_ : just working on ideas for September GPE workshop |
| 11:28.21 | jsmanrique | pb_ : using innerpocket CF usb card |
| 11:28.55 | jsmanrique | interpocket I mean |
| 11:29.11 | pb_ | jsmanrique: cool. |
| 11:29.18 | jsmanrique | maybe we need to buy 2 or 3 of these cards |
| 11:29.23 | mallum | them pictures are horrific |
| 11:30.33 | jsmanrique | pb_ : I have a CF sleeve, so using this, I would have a USB slot.. |
| 11:31.07 | jsmanrique | pb_ : and seeing the datasheet, I've seen that I can use a USB hub.. |
| 11:31.28 | jsmanrique | pb_ : so , could I have: webcam+keyboard? |
| 11:31.47 | jsmanrique | pb_ : but, how I connect ipaq to internet? |
| 11:35.40 | pb_ | Theoretically, you could use a usb/ethernet adapter, though I've never actually tested that on the ipaq yet. Or bluetooth, of course. |
| 11:36.34 | mallum | pb_: usb coffee mug heater ? |
| 11:36.45 | pb_ | probably need an external power supply for that. |
| 11:37.04 | mallum | pb_: 54xx + usb webcam strapped to the cat :-) |
| 11:37.09 | jsmanrique | pb_ : sure |
| 11:37.15 | pb_ | mallum: heh, indeed. |
| 11:37.22 | mallum | pb_: find out where he goes all night |
| 11:37.23 | jsmanrique | pb_ : hubs eats to much power I think |
| 11:38.07 | jsmanrique | we are tinking about i.e. video security on real time |
| 11:38.51 | jsmanrique | your webcam seeing your house, and you connecting to it using the ipaq |
| 11:39.19 | jsmanrique | and what about CF Camera? are there CF webcams? |
| 11:40.06 | mallum | ipaq + usb webcam + bt gprs connection |
| 11:40.09 | florian | pb_: i had a failure yesterday too - the problem is that i wasn't able to reproduce this. i re-inserted the card and it worked fine. |
| 11:40.46 | jsmanrique | florian : do you already have usb-cf card? |
| 11:41.00 | florian | pb_: with which card you noticed this failure? |
| 11:41.11 | florian | jsmanrique: nope |
| 11:41.32 | jsmanrique | florian : ah, you were talking about prism |
| 11:42.05 | florian | pb_: please send me your dmesg output after such an error - i need to forward this to hostap ml |
| 11:42.13 | florian | jsmanrique: yep |
| 11:44.50 | jsmanrique | any of you is working in h5400 port? |
| 11:52.07 | jsmanrique | any of you is working in h5400 port? |
| 11:55.59 | jsmanrique | is there a frontend for IrDA for ipaq<->phone conection |
| 11:57.30 | pb_ | jsmanrique: I've been working on the h5400, yes. |
| 11:57.52 | jsmanrique | pb_ : and how does it go? |
| 12:02.17 | pb_ | jsmanrique: going well. most things are working now, though there is one bad bug we still need to nail down. |
| 12:03.15 | jsmanrique | pb_ : ok, thanks |
| 12:03.27 | jsmanrique | is there a gpe frontend for IrDA, for ipaq<->phone conection |
| 12:03.43 | jsmanrique | pb_ : I'ev seen you have been working in obex support too, haven't you? |
| 12:05.42 | jsmanrique | ok, I have to go |
| 12:05.50 | jsmanrique | see you laaaater.. (tonight= |
| 12:07.45 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: OT question... bitfields in C are always of "native" endianness, right? |
| 12:07.53 | florian | pb_: still there? |
| 12:08.47 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: yeah |
| 12:08.52 | pb_ | florian: yep, still here. |
| 12:26.44 | pb_ | hm, the problem with mouse handling when the screen is rotated still seems to be present in X 4.3. |
| 12:29.24 | mallum | pb_: I suspect it'd be easy to fix |
| 12:29.34 | mallum | pb_: let me take a look |
| 12:33.24 | pb_ | okay, thanks |
| 12:38.39 | mallum | pb_: doh not so easy as I thought :/ I need to find what it sets for a screen orientation |
| 12:41.17 | mallum | pb_: one would guess its something wrong with KdComputeMouseMatrix in kinput.c |
| 12:41.26 | mallum | pb_: though it looks like that should work |
| 12:42.26 | pb_ | well, my first thought was that kdEnqueueMouseEvent was to blame. |
| 12:42.54 | pb_ | more specifically, that it shouldn't be applying the matrix rotate to delta events. however, stopping that doesn't seem to have changed the behaviour. |
| 12:45.44 | mallum | pb_: looking again Im not sure if the matrix ever gets set |
| 12:45.57 | mallum | pb_: but it seems it does in Xvesa |
| 12:47.08 | mallum | pb_: have a look at vesaConfigureScreen() in vesa/xvesa.c , that would maybe explain why it works on the tablet |
| 12:49.08 | mallum | pb_: maybe add code from that to fbdevRandRSetConfig() in fbdev/fbdev.c ? |
| 12:50.31 | pb_ | looks like fbdevLayerCreate() already does that stuff, afaict. |
| 12:51.52 | mallum | yeah your right |
| 12:52.02 | mallum | why didn't grep pick that up :/ |
| 13:13.12 | florian | pb_: any idea about this? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1999.png |
| 13:15.08 | pb_ | florian: wow, nasty. |
| 13:16.06 | pb_ | does the text you're passing in have any line breaks in it? |
| 13:16.34 | florian | nope... just a long string... |
| 13:17.33 | pb_ | weird. I guess there must be some bad bug in my pango handling. |
| 13:17.45 | pb_ | I have to go to ARM for a bit, but I will look at it when I get back if you're still having trouble. |
| 13:20.47 | florian | ah sorry... i ithink i have it... i hate this edit :-/ |
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| 13:29.03 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Typo in "possebility" :) |
| 13:31.50 | florian | cmarqu_werk: oops.. where? |
| 13:35.08 | florian | brb |
| 13:38.38 | cmarqu_werk | florian: In that scap |
| 14:00.16 | nelson | florian: dude.... |
| 14:01.11 | nelson | florian: you around? Or you asquare? |
| 14:02.42 | nelson | florian: I assume you'll read the scrollback. |
| 14:04.11 | nelson | florian: the current gpe-aerial has a different icon on the dock, but the old icon on the mbdock add menu. |
| 14:06.26 | nelson | florian: If I run "Networks" from the menu without turning the scanner on, it hangs for at least 30 seconds (at which point I killall gpe-aerial) |
| 14:10.30 | nelson | florian: I still see scanning output (from prismstumbler??), but gpe-aerial isn't listening to X anymore. |
| 14:21.09 | moray | pb_: I've been working on getting Debian packages for some more of GPE, and noticed that a problem (perhaps) with our Makefile.translation setup - at the moment if there aren't actually any strings to be translated, as for some of the libraries, things fail |
| 14:21.39 | moray | pb_: do you think the right thing is do disable translation (for now) for those modules, or e.g. change the update-po target to not depend on the pot file directly? |
| 14:23.20 | cmarqu_werk | moray: Would it make sense to translate them if somebody did the work? |
| 14:25.18 | cmarqu_werk | Packages without strings in code won't have .desktop files either, so in that case, their Makefile would not need to include Makefile.translation anyway, right? |
| 14:25.57 | moray | cmarqu_werk: internal error messages etc. probably shouldn't be translated - it makes it harder for people to deal with them, since they can't then search to find other people with the same problem etc. |
| 14:28.44 | cmarqu_werk | Yep, that's my view too. |
| 14:29.22 | cmarqu_werk | moray: So... do these packages use anything from the Makefile.translation code? |
| 14:31.11 | moray | cmarqu_werk: see e.g. make dist in libtodb |
| 14:31.16 | moray | sorry, have to go out now |
| 14:39.48 | florian | re |
| 14:39.58 | florian | re |
| 14:40.02 | florian | oops |
| 14:40.12 | florian | nelson: ok, let's begin: |
| 14:41.12 | florian | nelson: I have no idea why the original icon looks ok in the menu and so bad in the dock... i hope it works again with. 0.6 |
| 14:43.21 | mallum | florian: does the dock app use monolaunch ? |
| 14:44.31 | florian | nelson: This effect that gpe-aerial hangs after selecting "Networks..." i noticed too... looks like this happens from time to time. I'll try to find out why. |
| 14:46.35 | florian | nelson: Prismstumbler stays running while gpe-aerial gets killed... in this case you should send it a SIGTERM too. |
| 14:47.11 | florian | mallum: nope, it's more or less the same code like gpe-bluetooth... |
| 14:47.45 | mallum | florian: using libmb or eggtray ? |
| 14:59.45 | florian | mallum: good question... it uses a call of libgpewidgets gpe_system_tray_dock |
| 15:02.04 | mallum | florian: I need to check if that links against libmb |
| 15:02.57 | mallum | florian: the api in libmb has changed ( much improved - simpler, no xlib needed, handles vertical/different sized panels ), but I've left the old code in there for now. |
| 15:18.29 | cmarqu_werk | moray: Ah, okay... I'll play with it this evening. |
| 15:21.49 | pb_ | mallum: ah, it seems that patching KdEnqueueMouseEvent does actually fix my X problem after all. |
| 15:22.07 | pb_ | I think I must have used the wrong command line options when I tried previously. |
| 15:23.01 | mallum | pb_: ah, it worked all along ? |
| 15:23.43 | pb_ | well, it works with that change, yes. |
| 15:24.31 | mallum | oh you did have to make a change |
| 15:24.54 | pb_ | yeah, in KdEnqueueMouseEvent. |
| 15:25.09 | pb_ | that's the patch I tried earlier, but at the time thought it didn't help. |
| 15:25.19 | mallum | ah right, can you put the patch somewhere so I can add it to my collection ? |
| 15:25.46 | pb_ | will do. Is there somewhere else I should send the patch as well? |
| 15:26.48 | mallum | pb_: keithp I guess, though I dont know what the situation currently with that getting applied to the xfree tree |
| 15:27.06 | pb_ | I put it at http://handhelds.org/~pb/kinput-rotate.diff |
| 15:27.17 | pb_ | ok, I'll drop Keith a line and see what he says. |
| 15:27.35 | pb_ | I do still have this problem with the mouse not working without an explicit -mouse line, though; still need to look into that one. |
| 15:27.53 | pb_ | That's not quite so desperate since I can kind of work around it in the wrapper script. |
| 15:28.22 | mallum | pb_: yeah I had that too, /dev/input/mice is mentioned in src so it should get checked |
| 15:29.39 | pb_ | It does work if I unload h3600_ts first. Seems that it's latching onto the first input device it finds and ignoring all others. |
| 15:30.22 | mallum | aha, though on the tablet both the mouse and ts work at the same time |
| 15:31.32 | pb_ | Right, yeah, that's what I was hoping for. On the ipaq, I can only get one: if I use -mouse, it ignores the touchscreen. |
| 15:33.40 | florian | mallum: then it might be necessary to change this lin libgpewidget?! |
| 15:34.56 | mallum | pb_: the ts driver on the tablet is heavily patched ( by andyc ), the changes are in hh.org cvs ( TC1000 iirc ) |
| 15:36.16 | pb_ | ah right, I'll take a look. |
| 15:37.49 | nelson | florian: I like the original icon best, actually. Looked fine to me in the dock. |
| 15:38.23 | nelson | florian: why bother turning on the scanner unless you're going to look at the results? I think the dock menu should have two items: |
| 15:38.34 | nelson | Find Networks |
| 15:38.37 | nelson | Remove from Dock |
| 15:43.21 | florian | nelson: This is an idea to think of - turning on the scanner before looking at the results has two advantages: |
| 15:46.00 | florian | nelson: It works in background without a window using space. |
| 15:47.34 | florian | nelson: Longer scanning gives better results - in theory you could recover a wep key listening long enough... but this is really a theoretical posibility. |
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| 15:56.41 | nelson | florian: yeah, but why am I scanning unless I want to access a network? I can always switch to a different window. |
| 15:57.44 | nelson | florian: a link quality of zero doesn't mean that packets cannot be passed. |
| 15:58.35 | nelson | florian: what you really want to do when someone picks a network and tries to connect, is to see if you can associate, and if so, can you DHCP. |
| 15:58.49 | nelson | florian: if so, then indicate success. |
| 16:00.57 | florian | nelson: yep, right - the connection detection is not really good at the moment. |
| 16:01.18 | mallum | pb_: -mtune=xscale works on strongarm right ? |
| 16:01.54 | pb_ | mallum: yes |
| 16:02.15 | florian | nelson: additionally orinoco_cs doesn't report signal strength values in ad-hoc mode :-/ |
| 16:03.52 | florian | nelson: A successful dhcp request is a good indication for a connection - but especially in ad-hoc connections you don't have dhcp... i need to find a way to cover these cases too. |
| 16:11.32 | nelson | florian: why don't you have dhcp with ad-hoc connections? |
| 16:11.45 | nelson | florian: or are you saying that you can't *count* on having a dhcp server? |
| 16:11.57 | nelson | florian: maybe the detection needs to work like this: |
| 16:12.14 | nelson | 1) detect a network. |
| 16:12.27 | nelson | 2) (a miracle occurs and you get an IP address) |
| 16:12.41 | nelson | 3) you ping your default router. |
| 16:13.06 | nelson | Hrm. That doesn't work if you've just got to handhelds talking to each other, with no Internet involved. |
| 16:13.22 | nelson | s/got to/got two/ |
| 16:14.33 | florian | This is exactly the problem i see with this... |
| 16:15.12 | florian | I think it should be possible to use the wireless extensions to find out if the card reports to be associated to something. |
| 16:15.33 | florian | The ip connection then would be the second step... |
| 16:18.57 | mallum | nelson: is ipkg pretty much broke in latest 0.7 pre ? |
| 16:19.00 | mallum | I get; |
| 16:19.04 | mallum | /etc/X11 # ipkg list | grep zile |
| 16:19.04 | mallum | zile - A lightweight emacs clone. |
| 16:19.04 | mallum | /etc/X11 # ipkg install zile |
| 16:19.04 | mallum | Cannot find package zile. |
| 16:19.04 | mallum | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 16:19.05 | mallum | /etc/X11 # |
| 16:20.58 | pb_ | florian: hm, I'm not sure that the drivers necessarily report the association status. hostap_cs seems to log it with dmesg but not store the data anywhere. |
| 16:21.04 | pb_ | still, it'd be easy to add that feature. |
| 16:22.19 | nelson | mallum: blush time for me: -rc* were actually built using an older version of ipkg. There very well might be a problem in the current ipkg. |
| 16:22.25 | florian | pb_: this is bad... would be a really nice feature... |
| 16:22.50 | mallum | nelson: okey, where can I grab a newer one ? |
| 16:23.26 | nelson | mallum: I used 0.99.77 to build the release images. |
| 16:24.21 | nelson | florian, pb_: when does a driver decide that it's disassociated? |
| 16:24.45 | pb_ | nelson: as far as I can tell, the prism2 MAC makes that decision. |
| 16:24.51 | nelson | doesn't a driver typically keep an association forever unless it finds another AP to associate with? |
| 16:24.59 | mallum | nelson: what does that mean 0.7latest pre is completely broke ? |
| 16:26.16 | nelson | mallum: no, it probably means that you don't have a match betweeen the package's Architecture, and an architecture in /etc/ipkg/ipaqarch.conf |
| 16:26.32 | pb_ | nelson: the "LinkStatus: Connected" messages that you see in the kernel log come from prism2_info_linkstatus (hostap_info.c), which seems to just be printing out informational messages that it's received from the chipset. |
| 16:26.46 | mallum | nelson: ah right, that would make sense |
| 16:26.48 | nelson | (I wondered what was taking you so long to reply) |
| 16:27.00 | pb_ | It does stash the link_status value in local->prev_link_status, but there's no access to that data from user space. |
| 16:27.11 | nelson | pb_: foo. |
| 16:28.26 | nelson | pb_: the truly annoying thing for me is that the AP in my office doesn't pass packets back to hostap. |
| 16:28.45 | pb_ | nelson: did you try with the new hostap in hh14? |
| 16:28.53 | nelson | pb_: so I have to associate with the public access point. |
| 16:29.00 | pb_ | not that I have any particular reason to think that the bug is fixed, but... it's a newer version. |
| 16:29.01 | nelson | pb_: I thought we were already using 0.0.3? |
| 16:29.05 | mallum | nelson: I am trying to install packages with the arch arm4l-xscale |
| 16:29.14 | pb_ | nelson: 0.0.3 is in hh14, but hh13 had some older version. |
| 16:29.27 | pb_ | (I think, anyway.) |
| 16:29.44 | pb_ | nelson: what does hostap_cs say in dmesg when it loads on your ipaq? should be: |
| 16:29.49 | pb_ | hostap_cs: 0.0.3 - 2003-05-18 (Jouni Malinen <jkmaline@cc.hut.fi>) |
| 16:30.18 | mallum | nelson: I've put xscale in my arch conf but it still dont wanna play :/ |
| 16:30.47 | nelson | ~ # grep arm4l-xscale /etc/ipkg/ipaqarch.conf |
| 16:30.47 | nelson | ~ # |
| 16:31.09 | nelson | pb_: hrm. yes, hh13 has the older one. |
| 16:32.16 | pb_ | nelson: we could consider pulling 0.0.3 into the hh13 branch as well, if it turns out to work better. |
| 16:32.32 | florian | huh? |
| 16:33.29 | florian | ehh... why somebody want's to use hh13 in future? |
| 16:33.38 | pb_ | florian: hh13 is in familiar 0.7. |
| 16:34.42 | nelson | pb_: trying it now.... |
| 16:34.51 | pb_ | We don't want to put hh14 into 0.7, because it contains a lot of intrusive changes related to support for new platforms. |
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| 16:35.32 | florian | ah, ok... |
| 16:35.56 | pb_ | Also, we don't want to keep changing the kernel version string in 0.7, because it makes life miserable for people who are trying to ship binary modules. |
| 16:36.13 | nelson | e.g. nils with spectrum24. |
| 16:36.32 | pb_ | exactly. |
| 16:36.51 | pb_ | also me with the drivers for this USB card. |
| 16:37.21 | florian | yep, ok... ah... i should test prismstumbler with the spectrum24 driver... |
| 16:38.13 | florian | hmm... so driver source for the usb card driver? or a problem like with the spectrum24? |
| 16:38.41 | pb_ | Yes, source will be available, but we don't want customers to have to compile their own drivers. So we need a stable platform to ship binaries against. |
| 16:39.17 | pb_ | This is the problem that modversions was meant to solve, but in fact that particular cure turned out to be much worse than the original disease. |
| 16:40.08 | florian | ah right... sometimes i forget that some people don't want to compile their drivers ;-) |
| 16:41.26 | pb_ | heh, indeed. |
| 16:44.12 | florian | ok...going home bbl |
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| 16:54.59 | mallum | any know the xsettings key for gtk font ? |
| 16:57.10 | pb_ | Gtk/FontName, I think |
| 16:58.22 | mallum | pb_: I set the font too big with the theme thing and couldn't get back to it :/ |
| 16:58.34 | mallum | pb_: luckily I fired it off at another display |
| 16:58.39 | pb_ | ah, heh. |
| 16:59.58 | mallum | pb_: I've installed my tslib based x packages, which apear to work ok :-), but I having problems with gpe-dm |
| 17:00.19 | mallum | pb_: it just seems to exit immediatly for me, with strace not giving any clues |
| 17:00.30 | mallum | pb_: yet I've linked Xserver -> X |
| 17:00.46 | pb_ | try running it with -n, see if that helps. |
| 17:01.12 | mallum | okey |
| 17:01.23 | mallum | pb_: oh the Xserver is getting started ok but then nothing else |
| 17:03.25 | mallum | pb_: hmm it seems to be continueally trying to start the Xserver, yet its start OK |
| 17:04.49 | mallum | pb_: I deleted the orig Xserver script :/ |
| 17:04.55 | pb_ | that's strange. can you run it with strace -f and mail me the output? |
| 17:07.06 | mallum | pb_: I think I know whats up .. gpe-dm expects Xserver just to exec and not to return. mine does :/ as todo the renice |
| 17:07.25 | pb_ | ah. yes, if it exits it will assume the server has crashed. |
| 17:07.40 | pb_ | can you not just start it with the right nice level in the first place? |
| 17:07.42 | mallum | right |
| 17:08.17 | mallum | pb_: I think thats what I originally planned todo, but there was a reason why I couldn't |
| 17:08.38 | mallum | pb_: yes, no nice , only renice |
| 17:08.47 | pb_ | ah, suck. |
| 17:08.56 | mallum | yeah, thats why I did it |
| 17:08.57 | pb_ | is that a busybox deficiency then? |
| 17:09.01 | mallum | busybox wierdness |
| 17:09.17 | pb_ | hmm. |
| 17:09.43 | pb_ | maybe it'd be better to patch the xserver to nice itself appropriately. |
| 17:09.58 | mallum | or put it in some Xsession.d |
| 17:10.15 | pb_ | yeah, or that. |
| 17:10.22 | mallum | some people may not like it auto matically niced |
| 17:13.11 | pb_ | mm, true. |
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| 17:13.52 | florian | re |
| 17:16.41 | mallum | pb_: yeah fine now I edited the script |
| 17:17.18 | pb_ | cool |
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| 17:40.11 | cmarqu | Hmm, how did france get in such a bad mood over at #hh.org? Did I miss something? |
| 17:51.50 | cmarqu | Aha. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-arm-kernel&m=105519102804308&w=2 |
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| 18:05.01 | pb_ | re |
| 18:06.17 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: wow.. long thread... and interesting.. |
| 18:09.12 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Yeah... Still, Russ Dill makes a sensible impression. Other than that Erik guy who wants his dad send a letter. |
| 18:10.17 | pb_ | I think that was the busybox guy. |
| 18:12.48 | cmarqu | Indeed, judging from the codepoet email address. |
| 18:23.55 | pb_ | florian: My other prism card behaves the same as the Netgear. These are the versions for that one: |
| 18:23.58 | pb_ | wlan0: NIC: id=0x800c v1.0.0 |
| 18:23.58 | pb_ | wlan0: PRI: id=0x15 v1.0.7 |
| 18:23.58 | pb_ | wlan0: STA: id=0x1f v1.3.5 Pw |
| 18:28.11 | mallum | pb_: how do I turn the cursor back on ? |
| 18:33.21 | pb_ | Not sure. There might be an option in gpe-conf for that. |
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| 18:38.00 | dc_ | heh |
| 18:38.03 | mallum | pb_: cant see it :( |
| 18:38.06 | dc_ | so I'm now +1 windows box. |
| 18:38.28 | pb_ | dc_: yay |
| 18:38.52 | mallum | dc_: do you know how to turn the mouse cursor on in gpe ? |
| 18:41.04 | dc_ | the joy |
| 18:41.04 | dc_ | it was insane, it took like 20 minutes to install everything... |
| 18:41.04 | dc_ | okay, seems alright. |
| 18:41.04 | dc_ | then 40 minutes to 'Register components'! |
| 18:41.07 | dc_ | mallum: um no, isn't it some X setting? |
| 18:41.48 | dc_ | yay, only one exams left. |
| 18:41.56 | dc_ | s/s// |
| 18:42.05 | dc_ | physics on tuesday :} |
| 18:42.19 | PaxAnima | yay, 3 days and 19 hours until the delivery of my Master thesis.. |
| 18:42.23 | mallum | dc_: yeah no way to list easily list X settings though :? |
| 18:42.37 | Thelonius | PaxAnima, what was it on? |
| 18:42.46 | dc_ | mallum: :-\ |
| 18:43.06 | dc_ | PaxAnima: ! |
| 18:44.00 | PaxAnima | Thelonius: it's on detection of fish in images from a coral reef survaillance project.. |
| 18:44.08 | pb_ | mallum: if it's an X setting in the sense of XSETTINGS, xst will list them. |
| 18:45.42 | dc_ | bbl |
| 18:45.45 | mallum | got it |
| 18:45.51 | mallum | its a resource setting |
| 18:46.52 | pb_ | aha |
| 18:47.15 | mallum | I cant find whats setting it though |
| 18:47.42 | pb_ | detect-stylus, probably |
| 18:50.35 | mallum | got it |
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| 19:18.28 | pb_ | Might be worth filing a wishlist bug against gpe-conf to ask for a cursor setting control. |
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| 19:29.18 | cmarqu | Can someone delete http://handhelds.org/download/gpe/unstable/ ? |
| 19:30.09 | pb_ | Sure. What is it? |
| 19:30.21 | pb_ | Oh, some old feed. |
| 19:30.24 | cmarqu | A few old packages from 2002. |
| 19:31.30 | pb_ | Hell. I catted a binary file and crashed gnome-terminal. |
| 19:32.02 | pb_ | cmarqu: Okay, it's history. |
| 19:32.11 | cmarqu | Yeah, gnome-terminal also likes to consume 100% CPU every once in a while for me. |
| 19:32.14 | cmarqu | pb_: Thanks. |
| 19:32.59 | dc__ | doh! |
| 19:32.59 | dc__ | hell, I'm downloading at 0.8k |
| 19:32.59 | dc__ | cmarqu: I found it used to do that when I opened a new tab |
| 19:33.46 | cmarqu | dc__: That too, but sometimes in other occasions as well, and then it would not want to stop it... |
| 19:34.04 | pb_ | I've found gnome-terminal is just very slow in general. If I'm running a big compile or something that causes a lot of text to scroll in the window, it seems that gnome-terminal and the Xserver between them consume a huge number of cycles. |
| 19:34.05 | dc__ | ah okay |
| 19:34.44 | cmarqu | And it also has a problem when I run screen in it, it turns black except the bottommost line. |
| 19:35.52 | cmarqu | Uhm, where is xkbd CVS again? |
| 19:35.57 | cmarqu | ibot: xkbd? |
| 19:35.57 | | methinks xkbd is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/xkbd |
| 19:36.34 | cmarqu | ibot: xkbd is also at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xkbd/ |
| 19:36.35 | | okay, cmarqu |
| 19:36.53 | dc__ | pb_: um, can you remember that folder gnome stored its mime stuff in? |
| 19:36.58 | dc__ | pb_: or file even |
| 19:36.58 | cmarqu | Argh. And epiphany likes to unset the X selection very often. |
| 19:38.31 | dc__ | pb_: oh, /etc/mailcap wasn't it? |
| 19:38.48 | pb_ | dc__: /etc/mailcap is an old standard. which particular mime stuff were you thinking of? |
| 19:38.49 | cmarqu | Ah, apps/xkbd. |
| 19:38.57 | dc__ | pb_: the gnome stuff. |
| 19:38.58 | dc__ | heh |
| 19:39.06 | pb_ | gnome-vfs seems to use /etc/gnome-vfs-mime.magic or some such for its magic numbers. |
| 19:39.17 | pb_ | not sure where the associations go. let me look. |
| 19:40.14 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.29 | dc__ | pb_: so...how did this stuff get discluded from our gnome-vfs ipk? |
| 19:41.00 | pb_ | dc__: incompetence on the part of the packager, I suppose. |
| 19:41.15 | dc__ | pb_: I wouldn't say that, hehe. |
| 19:41.31 | dc__ | pb_: right well...I guess that needs to be put on the list. |
| 19:41.37 | pb_ | dc__: yep. I can easily enough make a new package. |
| 19:41.58 | dc__ | right, then maybe mime stuff will work out of the box afterwards. |
| 19:42.07 | pb_ | that'd be excellent. |
| 19:42.16 | mallum | cmarqu: apps/xkbd |
| 19:42.39 | cmarqu | mallum: Yup, found it. Could you maybe add that to the docs? |
| 19:44.42 | cmarqu | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/html.cgi?fn=port.994.png - is that key to the left of "Ctrl" the same as "Mult"? |
| 19:51.00 | cmarqu | mallum: FWIW... make[3]: *** No rule to make target `en_GB.qwerty.tabletpc.xkbd.in', needed by `en_GB.qwerty.tabletpc.xkbd'. Stop. |
| 20:06.34 | mallum | cmarqu: yes, more or less |
| 20:06.48 | mallum | cmarqu: what version you getting that error from ? CVS ? |
| 20:06.53 | cmarqu | mallum: Yes, CVS. |
| 20:08.11 | mallum | okey must have forgot to commit that file - doh 1 |
| 20:08.33 | mallum | cmarqu: what keyboard layout is that ? |
| 20:09.05 | cmarqu | mallum: From the scap? jsmanriques' I suppose. |
| 20:09.18 | mallum | cmarqu: ah right, tis nice |
| 20:13.33 | cmarqu | I offered to package it for him some time in the past. |
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| 20:20.58 | dc__ | ooh, who's making the stroke recongizer? |
| 20:24.16 | mallum | dc__: me, but it has issues and Im not making it, its already made |
| 20:25.22 | dc__ | mallum: ah, well, it sure looks nice :) |
| 20:25.48 | dc__ | do we know if we can get pressure feedback from the iPAQ ? |
| 20:25.54 | dc__ | or am I being silly. |
| 20:31.11 | pb_ | dc__: h1910s can do it. h3600s can't. h3800s/h3900s maybe. |
| 20:31.26 | dc__ | ah, okay. |
| 20:32.15 | mallum | dc__: if you hit it really hard you'll get some pressure feedback |
| 20:32.19 | pb_ | it'd be nice to try to tie that ability into programs like sketchbook at some point. |
| 20:32.46 | dc__ | mallum: I guess I would! |
| 20:33.18 | dc__ | pb_: :) |
| 20:34.18 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: ping? |
| 20:34.55 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Yessir! |
| 20:36.05 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: got your bugzilla mail.. how do I change it? |
| 20:36.24 | PaxAnima | ah.. |
| 20:36.30 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Add a "Replaces: pscalc" line to the control file. |
| 20:36.37 | PaxAnima | ah.. |
| 20:37.05 | PaxAnima | psCalc is removed from the feed, anyway... the best would be to remove pscalc from bugzilla, and create one for psCalc2 |
| 20:37.38 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Oh, is it removed? ipkgfind still found it. |
| 20:37.59 | PaxAnima | hmm.. maybe nelson only removed it form the 0.7 feed |
| 20:38.14 | cmarqu | Ah, that can be. |
| 20:40.30 | PaxAnima | I don't update psCalc anymore... |
| 20:41.21 | pb_ | It's still in unstable. You want it removed? |
| 20:41.59 | PaxAnima | pb_: well, you could... |
| 20:43.09 | pb_ | Is that a "yes"? |
| 20:43.21 | PaxAnima | well, yes ;) |
| 20:43.25 | pb_ | okay :-) |
| 20:43.34 | dc__ | yay |
| 20:44.00 | dc__ | I hay my sat working again. |
| 20:44.01 | dc__ | albiet _not_ at 1Mb/s :( |
| 20:44.06 | pb_ | okay, it's gone. |
| 20:44.08 | pb_ | dc__: cool. |
| 20:44.12 | PaxAnima | pb_: good |
| 20:44.21 | pb_ | dc__: that's thanks to the power of windows? |
| 20:45.08 | dc__ | pb_: oh yeah. |
| 20:45.09 | dc__ | it just rocks sooo much |
| 20:45.26 | dc__ | I think I may have nightmares about it now though. |
| 20:45.32 | dc__ | the windows box in my garage. |
| 20:46.15 | pb_ | yes. nasty! |
| 20:46.32 | mallum | dc__: ahhh, all by itself gradually gathering a nice collection of exploits :-) |
| 20:47.27 | dc__ | my god yeah, I'm already getting windows popup messages about viagra |
| 20:47.27 | dc__ | it's mad, I got my first one within about 5 minutes of connecting. |
| 20:50.37 | pb_ | wow, that's impressive. |
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| 21:12.41 | florian | pb_: i forwarded your data to hostap ml... i hope tey find out what happens |
| 21:12.50 | pb_ | florian: cool, thanks. |
| 21:13.02 | pb_ | florian: I could try to upgrade the card firmware, but I don't have much of an idea how to do that. |
| 21:14.16 | mallum | dc___: wow, thats scary |
| 21:15.36 | mallum | dc___: in progress new panel icons http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6916.png what do you think ? |
| 21:18.03 | PaxAnima | mallum: you apple man... what's that to the left of the wavemon-thing? |
| 21:18.46 | mallum | PaxAnima: system monitor |
| 21:19.33 | PaxAnima | what's the confusing pattern in the background? |
| 21:20.09 | florian | pb_: I have no idea... except windows drivers :-/ I have an I-Gate with a very old firmware... really buggy. I din't even find a newer firmware :-/ |
| 21:20.39 | pb_ | florian: yeah, unfortunately I don't have any windows laptops to do the upgrade in. |
| 21:21.07 | pb_ | actually, I do have a PCI bridge card for the netgear, so I could probably upgrade that. but it would seem better for the hostap folks to fix the driver -- it must be possible, since orinoco works. |
| 21:22.22 | mallum | PaxAnima: a graph |
| 21:22.32 | mallum | PaxAnima: it looks better when you see it moving |
| 21:22.46 | PaxAnima | mallum: if it's graph, it looks better with just to axis |
| 21:25.10 | mallum | PaxAnima: send me a better one |
| 21:25.40 | florian | pb_: hmm... yep, this is a real problem - i think i have a win95 installation on my libretto :-) |
| 21:25.45 | PaxAnima | mallum: heh.. not now, at least... 3 days and 16 hours until Master thesis deadline... ;) |
| 21:25.58 | mallum | PaxAnima: ;-) |
| 21:39.27 | Thelonius | mallum, ve4ry pwetty panel icons |
| 21:40.06 | mallum | Thelonius: thank you TheLonius |
| 21:40.17 | mallum | Thelonius: what is a lonius ? |
| 21:41.18 | Thelonius | Thelonius is the name |
| 21:41.32 | Thelonius | Thelonius "Sphere" Monk |
| 21:41.40 | Thelonius | the great jazz musician |
| 21:42.28 | mallum | ah yes I have hearn of him |
| 21:42.34 | mallum | I think |
| 21:42.50 | Thelonius | so how do you guys build/put together your gpe environment? |
| 21:43.06 | Thelonius | and is the environment bound to the fixed 320x240 resolution? |
| 21:44.08 | pb_ | moray: I think your problem with disting libtododb should be fixed in CVS now. |
| 21:47.05 | mallum | pb_: what the gpe app that puts the hourglass in the corner ? |
| 21:47.34 | moray | pb_: aha (just back from going to a lecture, eating, etc.) - thanks, I'll have a look |
| 21:49.01 | pb_ | mallum: startup-monitor |
| 21:55.06 | Thelonius | is the GPE environment bound to the fixed 320x240 resolution? |
| 21:55.39 | pb_ | no, not really. |
| 21:58.13 | Thelonius | what do you mena/ |
| 21:58.15 | Thelonius | mean |
| 21:59.23 | pb_ | "no, the GPE environment is not bound to the fixed 320x240 resolution" |
| 22:04.44 | Thelonius | well when you say not really, does it mean it will display/render properly if i use it at higher resolutions? |
| 22:06.27 | mallum | Thelonius: kind of ;-) |
| 22:08.33 | Thelonius | heheheh |
| 22:08.36 | Thelonius | explain please |
| 22:10.51 | mallum | Thelonius: primarily all gpe dev is done for ipaqs ( which all have 320x240 dpys ) |
| 22:11.22 | mallum | Thelonius: theres no reason why apps wont work on larger displays, but the 'tweaked' for 320x240 |
| 22:29.37 | dc___ | hrmf |
| 22:29.46 | dc___ | how bad is a 'bus error'? |
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| 22:30.19 | dc___ | hrmf |
| 22:30.19 | dc___ | some queer ness |
| 22:34.07 | moray | pb_: is libtododb GPL or LGPL? |
| 22:34.23 | pb_ | dc___: fairly bad. |
| 22:34.27 | pb_ | moray: LGPL I guess. |
| 22:34.43 | moray | thanks. |
| 22:34.45 | dc___ | heh |
| 22:34.52 | pigeon | dc___: yo |
| 22:35.07 | dc___ | huray, X and nautilus are working hard together to use up all my cpu....doing absolutly norhting. |
| 22:36.30 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 22:36.38 | pb_ | dc___: that's, er, cool. |
| 22:37.02 | dc___ | pb_: any idea why an i386, libc6 binary wouldn't run on an i686 sytem. Would to most likely be because of a currupt binary...or some imcompatible libc? |
| 22:37.05 | dc___ | pigeon: heyy |
| 22:37.22 | dc___ | pb_: it's mandrake's fault natilus is my desktop |
| 22:37.45 | pb_ | dc___: bus error normally means corrupt binary, or linked against a corrupt library. |
| 22:38.04 | dc___ | strange. |
| 22:38.09 | dc___ | what's rpm compressed as? |
| 22:39.06 | pb_ | gzipped cpio, I think. |
| 22:39.40 | dc___ | ...which can be conveniently unzipped using the command...? |
| 22:39.45 | moray | dc___: hm, newer Nautiluses have tended to work reasonably for me |
| 22:39.54 | pb_ | dc___: could try rpm2cpio |
| 22:41.08 | dc___ | doh |
| 22:42.34 | dc___ | moray: ah cool, well yeah, this one seems to be alright. maybe they both just got a bit stressed out. |
| 22:42.52 | dc___ | probably because I was clicking on something, hehe. |
| 22:43.05 | moray | ah yes, you're just meant to look at the pretty images ;) |
| 22:43.24 | dc___ | exactly |
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