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| 08:35.03 | jsmanrique | good morning! |
| 08:35.57 | jsmanrique | I have installed Familiar v0.7-rc3 and bootldr-0.20.1 yesterday night |
| 08:36.00 | jsmanrique | very long night |
| 08:36.41 | florian | hu? trouble with rc3? |
| 08:37.07 | PaxAnima | morning |
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| 08:43.16 | jsmanrique | no, no problem |
| 08:43.17 | florian | hi PaxAnima |
| 08:43.24 | florian | ho cmarqu_werk |
| 08:43.26 | florian | :-) |
| 08:43.36 | jsmanrique | and I've discovered that Xipaq is already on Familiar |
| 08:44.03 | jsmanrique | so, maybe I should earn some money to buy a Colorgraphics Voyager CF VGA Card |
| 08:50.09 | jsmanrique | to test how useful it could be for presentations or similar |
| 08:58.59 | florian | yep, this would be cool - especially together with a usb cf-card :-) |
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| 09:00.54 | florian | hi mallum |
| 09:00.58 | mallum | hi florian |
| 09:01.35 | mallum | florian: I have an early 0.7 on my 38xx, am I ok just to upgrade that to get the latest or should I reflash ? |
| 09:01.49 | mallum | florian: I hope to get an initial 0.6pre1 mb out today :-) |
| 09:02.35 | florian | mallum: hey cool... |
| 09:03.48 | mallum | aha my ARM minimo has built and runs :-) |
| 09:05.22 | florian | mallum: i think upgrading should work - maybe update ipkg first... |
| 09:06.25 | mallum | florian: hmm, for some reason the moz builds come in at 15Mb :/ |
| 09:06.43 | mallum | florian: there must be uneeded crap ( I hope ) |
| 09:07.18 | florian | mallum: :-/ |
| 09:08.03 | mallum | florian: mem usage is approx 15Mb though which was what was expected |
| 09:12.12 | mallum | oh http://developer.ximian.com/themes/icons/ooo-icons-2.html <-- lots of nice new small lgpl icons |
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| 09:15.41 | pb_ | morning |
| 09:16.32 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 09:16.53 | mallum | pb_: <mallum> oh http://developer.ximian.com/themes/icons/ooo-icons-2.html <-- lots of nice new small lgpl icons |
| 09:18.12 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 09:18.54 | pb_ | ah, that's cool. |
| 09:23.40 | jsmanrique | mallum : nice icons |
| 09:27.34 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 09:28.30 | mallum | wooohoo, I have mozilla on the c700 :-) |
| 09:29.46 | florian | mallum: hmm... slow i suppose!? |
| 09:30.00 | pb_ | yo florian |
| 09:31.36 | mallum | florian: better than you'd expect |
| 09:32.09 | mallum | florian: this is the minimo branch of mozilla which uses less mem etc and no XUL - its just a gtk2 binding |
| 09:33.00 | florian | mallum: hey, cool - but 15mb is hard for handheld devices :-/ it should be possible to optimize this... |
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| 09:33.46 | mallum | florian: yeah indeed. it should apparently be 8mb disk |
| 09:33.59 | mallum | florian: 15Mb should be able to handle |
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| 09:34.18 | jsmanrique | hi again |
| 09:34.18 | mallum | florian: also the c700 has 64mb flash so not too bigger deal |
| 09:35.06 | florian | mallum: yep, 64mb flash is nice :-) |
| 09:35.28 | mallum | florian: yes but 32Mb Ram is not :/ |
| 09:35.56 | florian | mallum: yep, really |
| 09:36.29 | pb_ | How much does it cost to have the RAM upgraded on those? |
| 09:36.30 | mallum | florian: I havn't been OOM'd yet though |
| 09:36.59 | mallum | pb_: I not sure it can be done as sharp bootloader is closed src and cant handle it |
| 09:37.24 | mallum | pb_: that may not be 100% correct, but thats what I remember reading |
| 09:37.56 | pb_ | ah, lose. |
| 09:38.44 | mallum | pb_: I think my only option is to use some SD as swap |
| 09:38.57 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 09:39.05 | pb_ | do the new C7x0s have more RAM, or still only 32MB? |
| 09:39.23 | mallum | pb_: 64mb, with the new new one maybe having 128 |
| 09:39.32 | mallum | pb_: or it 64 ram / 128 flash |
| 09:39.40 | pb_ | ah right |
| 09:41.48 | jsmanrique | has anybody used Xipaq with VGA CF Card? |
| 09:42.32 | nilsf | jsmanrique: Already saw your post :) Yes, I tried with my old PCMCIA Voyager (and failed :( |
| 09:42.49 | nilsf | jsmanrique: What's your problem? |
| 09:43.18 | jsmanrique | nilsf : hi! |
| 09:43.43 | jsmanrique | nilsf : I would like using a VGA Card for presentaions and showing GPE running |
| 09:44.06 | jsmanrique | nilsf : you are going to GUADEC to talk about GPE, arent' you? |
| 09:44.17 | nilsf | jsmanrique: Sure... have you tried Xipaq yet? What about Xipaq -card pcmcia ? |
| 09:44.21 | nilsf | jsmanrique: Yes :) |
| 09:44.25 | pb_ | jsmanrique: I think there have been several different versions of the Voyager. I have a recollection that someone (maybe Kero) did succeed in getting one of them to work with Xipaq. |
| 09:45.11 | nilsf | pb_: The older PCMCIA ones used to be supported as well as some HP cards. |
| 09:45.14 | jsmanrique | I am thinking about buying one (they are too expensive) |
| 09:45.24 | jsmanrique | so I would like to know how good they run |
| 09:46.00 | jsmanrique | I have a CF Jacket for the iPAQ, so I am searching CF solutions |
| 09:46.18 | nilsf | jsmanrique: They are expensive, yes. From my experience Colorgraphics UK, which is the distribution center for Europe, is quite open-minded and cooperative. Try asking them!? |
| 09:46.34 | jsmanrique | nilsf : any link for that? |
| 09:47.02 | jsmanrique | nilsf : I am planning a workshop for VI National Linux Congress on September |
| 09:47.36 | jsmanrique | nilsf : sure you will meet some people on Dublin that were on my talk about Familiar/GPE last year |
| 09:48.02 | nilsf | jsmanrique: :) |
| 09:48.03 | jsmanrique | many people has started using GPE after that :-) |
| 09:48.17 | jsmanrique | now, it is time to get developers :-D |
| 09:48.29 | nilsf | jsmanrique: For the link, simply go to Cologrphics USA main site and look for international offices. |
| 09:48.48 | jsmanrique | and to atract companies companies to the light side :-) |
| 09:49.55 | jsmanrique | nilsf : maybe you convince Icaza about XD Pocket Edition based on GPE :-D |
| 09:50.22 | jsmanrique | nilsf : I wil try to get even more atention from him on September |
| 09:50.50 | jsmanrique | last year he was really impressed about a device able to run Gtk2 apps on 16MB FlashROM :-) |
| 09:51.06 | jsmanrique | and this year we have Mono::Handhelds and Gtk# :-D |
| 09:51.07 | nilsf | jsmanrique: XD? |
| 09:51.25 | jsmanrique | nilsf : Ximian Desktop |
| 09:51.31 | nilsf | jsmanrique: Ah, OK, I see :) |
| 09:51.38 | jsmanrique | nilsf : they prefer to call it XD (like XP.. maybe) |
| 09:52.14 | nilsf | I would be more pleased if he would "loan" us one of his developers to work on the sync thing, preferrably to sync with evolution or multisync respectively. |
| 09:52.27 | mallum | I put some minimo shots on scap |
| 09:52.45 | jsmanrique | nilsf : yes, I have talked with him about that several times :-) |
| 09:53.44 | PaxAnima | the easiest way of getting evolution syncig is to write a plugin for multisync |
| 09:54.28 | jsmanrique | mallum : nice |
| 09:55.06 | mallum | jsmanrique: Im pretty pleased, feels quite usable |
| 09:55.55 | mallum | jsmanrique: I have to figure out how to get the font smaller |
| 09:56.04 | jsmanrique | mallum : is there a website about it? |
| 09:56.13 | jsmanrique | mallum : how much memory does it use? |
| 09:56.21 | mallum | jsmanrique: no |
| 09:56.28 | mallum | jsmanrique: 15Mb |
| 09:56.38 | jsmanrique | mallum : what does it offers that Dillo can't do? |
| 09:57.44 | mallum | jsmanrique: javascript / frames (ewe) / CSS etc |
| 09:57.47 | jsmanrique | mallum : that's mb running on 640x480 mode, isn't it? |
| 09:57.52 | mallum | jsmanrique: yes |
| 09:57.58 | jsmanrique | mallum : ok |
| 09:58.24 | mallum | pb_: is the interpocket cf card your creation ? |
| 09:59.39 | nilsf | mallum: I think this is an open secret, yes :) |
| 09:59.56 | jsmanrique | mallum : and those are the "plain" icons for mb 0.6.. ? |
| 10:00.29 | jsmanrique | what devices support aht usb cf card? |
| 10:00.47 | pb_ | mallum: yes. |
| 10:01.35 | pb_ | I see we got a mention on linuxdevices.com this morning. |
| 10:02.13 | jsmanrique | pb_ : yes |
| 10:02.23 | jsmanrique | pb_ : what devices does it support? |
| 10:03.36 | mallum | pb_: ah coolio, I will order one when finances improve a little |
| 10:03.43 | pb_ | jsmanrique: it ships with class drivers for HID (keyboard/mouse/joypad etc) and bulk storage (zip drive, digital camera). We'll probably add more later. In theory it should work with more or less any USB device that Linux supports. |
| 10:03.52 | pb_ | mallum: excellent :-) |
| 10:06.13 | mallum | jsmanrique: not sure yet ... having a bit of an icons crisis. Them icons look nice ( to me ) on a large panel, but not so good on a smaller one |
| 10:07.23 | mallum | jsmanrique: I'll probably make them the defualt for the tarball, but change them in the ipkg or make a small/large-applet-icons theme or summin |
| 10:07.51 | jsmanrique | pb_ : wow! |
| 10:08.01 | jsmanrique | pb_ : where could I get one of those? |
| 10:08.28 | pb_ | jsmanrique: www.interpocket.co.uk |
| 10:08.39 | jsmanrique | pb_ : thanks |
| 10:42.49 | jsmanrique | pb_ : keyboard and mouse? |
| 10:43.15 | jsmanrique | pb_ : time to buy a 2 CF sleeve? (CF VGA + CF USB) :-D |
| 10:43.28 | mallum | jsmanrique: or a usb hub ;-) |
| 10:43.51 | jsmanrique | mallum : sure I'll need a usb hub |
| 10:45.01 | jsmanrique | but all is as much as a new laptop :-D |
| 10:45.53 | jsmanrique | some one should do a pda or mini tablet with usb host built in, a standard usb |
| 10:46.28 | jsmanrique | and vga output connector too |
| 10:46.43 | jsmanrique | vga cf card is 300 Euros more or less |
| 10:46.50 | pb_ | jsmanrique: unfortunately I don't think anybody makes a dual CF sleeve that would accept both a USB and a VGA card. |
| 10:46.59 | jsmanrique | more, indeed |
| 10:47.41 | jsmanrique | pb_ : I know |
| 10:49.28 | jsmanrique | pb_ : that's what I am asking about a product with all built in :-D |
| 10:49.41 | jsmanrique | pb_ : I have an answer from simtec |
| 10:50.09 | jsmanrique | pb_ : they are doing a Samsung ARM940T based mini-itx board |
| 10:51.01 | jsmanrique | pb_ : more or less, 295 GBP -> 490 Euros more or less |
| 10:52.37 | jsmanrique | what about that usb-storage driver for ipaq? |
| 10:53.09 | jsmanrique | I mean.. connect the ipaq as storage device to the pc |
| 10:53.27 | jsmanrique | so it could be mounted as a driver |
| 11:02.09 | pb_ | jsmanrique: aha, right. Is the Simtec board really an ARM940? I don't think you can run Linux on those. |
| 11:03.33 | jsmanrique | pb_ : they will ship a Debian CD for it |
| 11:03.43 | jsmanrique | pb_ : so I think that Linux run on that |
| 11:04.20 | jsmanrique | pb_ : but I am not sure if it was 940T, or 920T.. not I have doubts |
| 11:05.35 | pb_ | ah, 920T would make more sense. |
| 11:05.55 | jsmanrique | pb_ : maybe that was |
| 11:06.10 | jsmanrique | pb_ : 200MHz arm9 |
| 11:09.55 | pb_ | right |
| 11:13.55 | florian | pb_: which version of hostap do we have in hh14? |
| 11:17.16 | pb_ | florian: 0.0.3 |
| 11:18.54 | nilsf | I had hoped for an XScale board from Simtec :( |
| 11:19.23 | florian | pb_: seems to work now... at least witn my MA701 |
| 11:19.36 | pb_ | florian: that's interesting. |
| 11:20.03 | mallum | nilsf: yeah that'd be cool |
| 11:20.33 | pb_ | nilsf: yeah. they did have some xscale development going on, but I don't know what became of that. right now, I think the arm9 board is the fastest they offer. |
| 11:21.01 | florian | pb_: i updated to unstable and hh14 this morning... |
| 11:21.35 | pb_ | If you want xscale, Castle's Iyonix is one possibility, though I think it's quite expensive. |
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| 13:06.16 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 13:07.53 | jg | pb_: morning... |
| 13:14.45 | mallum | pb_: I have an v.early 0.7pre on my 3875 - should I reflash to get 0.7 latest or am I safe to ipkg upgrade ? |
| 13:19.43 | pb_ | depends how early. Reflashing is always safest, and probably quicker too if your install is old. |
| 13:20.47 | pb_ | If you have 0.7-rc1 or -rc2, it'd probably be okay to upgrade with ipkg since the changes are minimal. Anything older than that and I'd reflash. |
| 13:20.59 | mallum | pb_: this one is from the cambridge meet |
| 13:21.20 | pb_ | probably best to reflash then.. |
| 13:22.53 | mallum | okey will do |
| 13:24.50 | mallum | florian, pb_, nilsf, etc: I've uplaoded the first mb 0.6pre to http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/0.6/ . Please test if you get a chance. Expect a few broken things - the dock especially. Please report any bugs to http://bugs.openedhand.com not bugzilla |
| 13:26.34 | pb_ | jg: are the build scripts and configuration files used for the X packages in 0.7 available in cvs anywhere? I want to create an updated X server package, with the same configuration but newer source. |
| 13:27.22 | mallum | pb_: they are in hh.org cvs under xscripts iirc |
| 13:28.35 | mallum | florian: you should be able to change the desktop font in this release btw |
| 13:32.10 | jg | pb_: as mallum says. The server is pretty up to date: what needs changing? |
| 13:32.26 | florian | hostap_cs: GetNextTuple: No more items |
| 13:32.26 | florian | prism2_release |
| 13:32.26 | florian | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000032 |
| 13:32.26 | florian | mm = c24535c0 pgd = c3730000 |
| 13:32.26 | florian | *pgd = c38d4801, *pmd = c38d4801, *pte = 00000000, *ppte = 00000000 |
| 13:32.27 | florian | Internal error: Oops: ffffffff |
| 13:32.29 | pb_ | jg: mouse support doesn't seem to work in the 0.7 server. |
| 13:32.46 | pb_ | florian: check ignore_cis_vcc is set |
| 13:33.10 | florian | pb_: the problem with hostap oopses when ignore_cis_vcc is not set still persists |
| 13:33.26 | jg | pb_: that's not good... |
| 13:34.15 | florian | pb_: strange... it is set... |
| 13:36.51 | florian | pb_: This shouldn't have happened - after rebooting it seems to work. |
| 13:40.44 | pb_ | jg: that's what I thought too. |
| 13:40.51 | pb_ | florian: very strange. |
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| 13:43.52 | pb_ | mallum: ah, yes, I see xscripts in cvs. thanks. |
| 13:50.23 | mallum | pb_: the usb mouse works on my tabletpc which has 4.3 tinyx release on it, I have to pass -mouse /dev/mice/input though |
| 13:53.12 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I think it works in 4.3, but the server in 0.7 is a bit older than that. |
| 13:53.36 | pb_ | btw, does it work correctly with rotation on your machine? Last time I tried on the ipaq I think there were problems with that. |
| 14:00.04 | mallum | pb_: yes it works fine ... I think. I usually use the pen when the tablet is rotated |
| 14:06.03 | pb_ | okay, excellent. |
| 14:07.31 | mallum | pb_: if it is broke I wouldn't have though it would be that hard to fix. Also I think jg wrote the mouse stuff in tinyX |
| 14:10.14 | pb_ | The problem I was having previously was that the mouse was getting rotated when it shouldn't, so in portrait mode it was operating at 90 degrees to the screen. |
| 14:10.23 | pb_ | In landscape mode it was okay, though. |
| 14:31.09 | nilsf | Hmm... I have got a problem now. |
| 14:31.19 | nilsf | I want to built new kernel modules for the spectrum24 driver. |
| 14:31.33 | nilsf | But I do not have a PXA capable compiler!? |
| 14:32.01 | nilsf | So, can I simply just provide one package with the SA modules that will then run on both? |
| 14:32.20 | pb_ | nilsf: No, you need to build separate packages for PXA. You can download a pxa compiler from handhelds.org. |
| 14:33.47 | nilsf | pb_: Uerx... feared so :( |
| 14:35.09 | nilsf | pb_: Which of the many cross packages is the most up-to-date and working one? |
| 14:37.41 | pb_ | I think this one: ftp://handhelds.org/toolchain/arm-linux-gcc-3.2.3-pre+binutils-2.13.1-030422.tgz |
| 15:04.28 | mallum | pb_: http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2003-06/msg00035.html |
| 15:04.57 | pb_ | mallum: Yeah, BBrox mentioned that yesterday. Sounds cool. |
| 15:08.34 | mallum | pb_: that fabrice guy seems damn super smart |
| 15:10.38 | florian | mallum: I installes your matchbox package... do you want some bugs? |
| 15:11.01 | nilsf | Seems I haven't built as many packages recently as I should... |
| 15:11.11 | nilsf | florian: Hmm... fresh and still juicy bugs :) |
| 15:11.27 | pb_ | mallum: indeed. |
| 15:11.44 | florian | nilsf: shure... fresh packages - fresh bugs! :-) |
| 15:12.29 | nilsf | Where can I find a recent ipkg-build script!? Mine is old and seems to have problems building proper packages for architectures like ipaqsa which is needed for the modules :( |
| 15:12.45 | nilsf | florian: What is their color? I like the brown ones most :) |
| 15:13.39 | florian | nilsf: nearly all are brown when fried ;-) i like the green ones... really fresh ;-) |
| 15:15.32 | mallum | florian: yes please :-) what kind of bugs ? |
| 15:15.42 | nilsf | The ipkg WiKi page refers to really general pages... I am really stuck... |
| 15:17.38 | florian | mallum: The "settings" .desktops appear on main desktop - the same with the "Other" |
| 15:17.50 | pb_ | nilsf: in cvs, module ipkg-utils. |
| 15:18.42 | florian | mallum: The xsettings stuff seems to be completely broken. |
| 15:21.15 | mallum | florian: okey, I hadn't tested that at all - what happens ? |
| 15:21.34 | mallum | florian: settings is easy to fix |
| 15:22.00 | nilsf | pb_: Oh thanks! Hope this is not too complicated to install... our weather is currently amost unbearable, hot and humid, short before thunderstorm. |
| 15:24.50 | mallum | florian: is xsettings working at all ? |
| 15:25.48 | pb_ | nilsf: Ah, nasty. Here, the weather is quite pleasant today. |
| 15:26.32 | nilsf | pb_: Seems like the ipkg-utils behave quite well, as expected so to say :) |
| 15:27.21 | florian | mallum: let me look... |
| 15:27.22 | nilsf | Hope the weather in Dublin is nice, at least for the afternoon / night :) Hey paul, how is it in Dublin currently= |
| 15:27.35 | nilsf | s/=/? |
| 15:30.49 | florian | mallum: at least xst is able to read something... i hope you didn't change the keys for the basic settings!? |
| 15:33.42 | mallum | florian: no, check the mb binary links against xsettings-client |
| 15:34.13 | florian | mallum: ah, ok |
| 15:34.19 | florian | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28447.png |
| 15:34.34 | florian | mallum: look at the edges... |
| 15:34.37 | mallum | florian: the build Im testing on my c700 has no xsettings, and I think I may have mixed them up :/ |
| 15:35.34 | mallum | florian: doh, thats totally messed up :/ I've never seen that before |
| 15:35.41 | florian | mallum: XSettings support no |
| 15:35.54 | mallum | florian: ah :/ |
| 15:36.10 | mallum | florian: I'll fix the desktop settings folder and rebuild a new one |
| 15:37.02 | mallum | florian: does that happen on every dialog ? |
| 15:40.30 | florian | mallum: yes... |
| 15:40.57 | mallum | florian: oh dear me :/ |
| 15:42.27 | florian | mallum: eh and you should fix monobut... :-) |
| 15:43.09 | paul | nilsf: rain... always rain :) |
| 15:43.20 | paul | nilsf: it was like winter here the other day. |
| 15:43.58 | mallum | florian: bah monobut |
| 15:44.12 | florian | mallum: please ;-) |
| 15:46.40 | florian | mallum: one other issue that still persists is that apps like gpe-nmf are still multiple times. |
| 15:51.05 | mallum | florian: startup notification not working for them ? |
| 15:52.51 | nilsf | paul: Oh no, not really :( |
| 15:53.15 | nilsf | paul: We had some very nice summer days this week, ~30deg, and some days pure sun! |
| 15:55.08 | paul | nilsf: i dont want to know! :) |
| 15:55.39 | nilsf | paul: Hmm... will it at least become better? Or is this your normal condition on this time of year? |
| 15:57.02 | florian | mallum: it's compiled without startup notification support... |
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| 15:57.35 | dc_ | hey guys |
| 15:57.41 | florian | hi dc_ |
| 15:57.47 | dc_ | hey florian |
| 15:57.50 | dc_ | florian: going good? |
| 15:58.29 | florian | dc_: yes, hostap now works :-) |
| 15:58.35 | dc_ | wahay :D |
| 15:59.25 | mallum | dc_: check scap, I got minimo running on c700 :-) |
| 16:00.55 | dc_ | mallum: wow. looks sweet |
| 16:00.58 | mallum | florian: can you quickly check what the Catogarie key is that the settings .desktop files use ? |
| 16:01.05 | mallum | dc_: I'll tar it up in a mo |
| 16:01.11 | mallum | dc_: runs better than expected |
| 16:01.19 | dc_ | damn the c700 resolution just rocks. |
| 16:01.23 | dc_ | mallum: huray! |
| 16:01.28 | dc_ | mallum: I've got my c700 ready in my hand. |
| 16:01.34 | pb_ | dc_: afternoon |
| 16:01.36 | mallum | dc_: its 15MB however :/ |
| 16:01.51 | mallum | dc_: I can get that down considerably though apparently |
| 16:01.54 | dc_ | mallum: n/p |
| 16:02.03 | dc_ | mallum: oooooh and the scalling dock. |
| 16:02.08 | dc_ | hey pb_ |
| 16:02.35 | florian | mallum: Categories=Application;SystemSettings;GPE |
| 16:02.56 | florian | mallum: Categories=Application;Other;GPE |
| 16:03.38 | dc_ | hrm, I need to buy a bluetooth cf card so I can do leet internet dialup with my mobile. |
| 16:03.53 | pb_ | good plan. |
| 16:03.58 | pb_ | they're pretty cheap nowadays. |
| 16:04.16 | dc_ | ..? |
| 16:04.51 | pb_ | maybe GBP30-40 or so. |
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| 16:05.07 | dc_ | wow. |
| 16:05.17 | dc_ | last time I looked they were more like 80 |
| 16:05.58 | mallum | florian: okey thats fixed, I'll try and sort the dialogs |
| 16:06.21 | florian | mallum: cool :-) |
| 16:06.50 | mallum | florian: could you stick the 'gpe-nmf are still multiple times' on bugs.openedhand.org please :-) ? |
| 16:07.46 | florian | mallum: ok |
| 16:11.15 | mallum | dc_: there is a mb 6 ipkg that should work on your c700 at hh.org/~mallum/matchbox/0.6/ |
| 16:11.56 | mallum | dc_: add --size 40 to mbdock in ~/.mbstart |
| 16:12.24 | mallum | dc_: you may want some better icons though - I'll tar up my ~/.icons dir in a mo' |
| 16:12.45 | mallum | dc_: or just add your own :-) ( all panel apps now themeable ) |
| 16:22.46 | dc_ | mallum: ah great! |
| 16:22.59 | dc_ | mallum: so I just replace the old pannel icons then? |
| 16:24.54 | mallum | dc_: they get overidden by the theme ( or .icons ) |
| 16:29.00 | nilsf | OK, I think I got a new version of the spectrum24 modules in unstable, thanks, esp. pb :) |
| 16:30.44 | pb_ | nilsf: great! |
| 16:34.25 | dc_ | oh dear.. |
| 16:34.34 | dc_ | I just killed my c700 home dir. |
| 16:34.38 | dc_ | how boring |
| 16:34.52 | pb_ | doh |
| 16:35.26 | dc_ | I stupidly typed 'cp -R dctanner/.* root/' from within /home in an attempt to copy over my conf files. |
| 16:36.22 | dc_ | mallum: do we have any newish c700 images laying around? |
| 16:37.10 | mallum | dc_: not I |
| 16:37.19 | mallum | dc_: I can buuld some new ones soon |
| 16:37.40 | dc_ | mallum: ah okay, are you still running on a 'hacked' install? |
| 16:38.30 | mallum | dc_: yeah more or less, apart from up to date X/Mb Stuff |
| 16:39.11 | mallum | dc_: minimo is uploading btw |
| 16:39.48 | dc_ | great! |
| 16:41.00 | mallum | florian: new mb building |
| 16:41.17 | mallum | dc_: hh.org/~mallum/minimo |
| 16:42.15 | mallum | dc_: untar it somewhere, then cd into it, then LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./ ./TestGtkEmbed http://www.someurl.com |
| 16:42.45 | dc_ | right, got that. |
| 16:42.59 | mallum | one sec I'll do my icons |
| 16:43.27 | dc_ | :) |
| 16:43.40 | mallum | dc_: doh theres loads of em |
| 16:44.54 | mallum | dc_: hh.org/~mallum/extra_icons.tgz |
| 16:44.55 | dc_ | :-\ |
| 16:45.09 | mallum | dc_: the mb* ones are the ones thats used |
| 16:45.21 | florian | mallum: good.... |
| 16:46.34 | nilsf | How much is the VAT rate in the UK? |
| 16:46.45 | dc_ | 17.5 |
| 16:46.56 | nilsf | Oh fine, thanks! |
| 16:53.10 | nilsf | Here we go... thunderstorm and lightning! If we you don't hear from us within the next 24h we have drowned :) |
| 16:53.17 | mallum | florian: new package uploaded |
| 16:53.21 | dc_ | hehe |
| 16:53.53 | mallum | brb, chores |
| 16:54.06 | dc_ | mallum: ;) |
| 17:08.10 | mallum | back, chores completed |
| 17:08.14 | mallum | dc_: any joy ? |
| 17:08.18 | mallum | florian: any joy ? |
| 17:15.03 | florian | mallum: not checked yet - i#ll check it at home... give me some minute to go there :-) |
| 17:15.07 | florian | bbl |
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| 17:18.19 | mallum | BBrox: heya |
| 17:18.39 | BBrox | 'lo mallum |
| 17:18.56 | mallum | BBrox: I saw the post re qemu and ARM :-) |
| 17:19.18 | mallum | BBrox: was trying out qemu today on laptop, nearly got putty to run ;-) |
| 17:19.33 | BBrox | Laptop ? X86 laptop running QEMU + Wine . |
| 17:19.35 | BBrox | ? |
| 17:19.43 | mallum | BBrox: laptop is powerpc |
| 17:20.04 | BBrox | Oh cool :-) |
| 17:20.12 | BBrox | So Linux/PPC ? |
| 17:20.25 | mallum | BBrox: wine barfed on an XOpenFont x protocol error |
| 17:20.28 | mallum | BBrox: yes |
| 17:20.48 | mallum | BBrox: but winserver was running ok, and it nearly got there :-) |
| 17:21.15 | BBrox | Next step : do the same on an iPAQ :-) |
| 17:21.52 | mallum | BBrox: yes indeed :-) |
| 17:22.44 | dc_ | doh, pocket pc emulation. |
| 17:23.04 | dc_ | sounds sooooo...not...cool |
| 17:23.19 | mallum | BBrox: wine complained about not being able to use freetype ( yet it should , is latest ) - could it be the reason it can get at my fonts is cos it needs serevr side ms fonts ? |
| 17:23.27 | BBrox | dc_: PocketPC emulation ? Nahhh, Win2K emulation :-) |
| 17:23.32 | mallum | dc_: pocketpc thats arm ! |
| 17:23.42 | dc_ | ! |
| 17:23.46 | dc_ | doh |
| 17:23.52 | dc_ | mallum: food. |
| 17:23.53 | mallum | dc_: did minimo go for you ? |
| 17:23.57 | dc_ | brb. |
| 17:24.00 | BBrox | mallum: did you have Freetype installed in your 'fake' X86 distribution ? |
| 17:24.00 | dc_ | mallum: I'll try it out afterwards. |
| 17:24.37 | mallum | BBrox: hmm, dont think so ... let me check |
| 17:25.15 | mallum | BBrox: nope |
| 17:25.21 | BBrox | So this is the reason why :-) |
| 17:25.24 | mallum | :) |
| 17:25.33 | BBrox | So it fell back to the 'old way' of rendering fonts => via the X protocola |
| 17:25.34 | mallum | so I need a glib 2.1 x86 freetype lib |
| 17:26.38 | mallum | hmmm |
| 17:26.48 | BBrox | Yup |
| 17:27.07 | mallum | I think my x86 machine is glib 2.3 , that no good |
| 17:27.29 | BBrox | I can give you mine... When I come back from shopping, need to run now to catch the shop open :-) |
| 17:27.44 | mallum | BBrox: :), could you pick me up some milk ? |
| 17:28.00 | mallum | BBrox: btw, have you seen Taxi 2 ? |
| 17:28.30 | BBrox | The 2, yes. Not the 3 |
| 17:29.04 | mallum | 3 is out ? |
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| 17:54.44 | nilsf | Gee! It's raining now, incredible! |
| 17:55.05 | nilsf | The sky has turned into a dark yellow and there is water all around. |
| 17:55.15 | nilsf | Rain is coming from all sides at once, stiff wind too. |
| 17:56.02 | nilsf | The cars in front of our building are driving walking speed only. |
| 17:56.06 | nilsf | Whow...! |
| 17:56.48 | jg | nilsf: and for a change, it is a beautiful summer day here... |
| 17:58.42 | nilsf | jg: :) It was here here too, until today. Whow! |
| 17:58.53 | nilsf | Never seen that much rain at once and that long! |
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| 18:02.10 | florian | re |
| 18:02.22 | mallum | hey florian |
| 18:02.29 | florian | nilsf: still there? ;-) |
| 18:02.51 | nilsf | florian: Yup! |
| 18:03.48 | mallum | nilsf: do you have a new internet connection btw ? |
| 18:04.05 | mallum | BBrox: back from shops yet ? |
| 18:04.29 | nilsf | mallum: Yeah! SDSL online flat 24/7 256kbit! |
| 18:04.32 | jg | nilsf: try a hurricane sometime... Or then there was the summer a few years ago, when we had 14" (35cm) of rain in less than 24 hours... Glub, glub, glub.... |
| 18:04.51 | mallum | nilsf: :-) at home ? |
| 18:05.22 | nilsf | mallum: Nope, in the office :) But that's what I wanted anyway. I am not that much at home anyway. |
| 18:05.43 | mallum | nilsf: nice |
| 18:06.34 | nilsf | mallum: Indeed! It's a little expensive though but 100% equivalent to a 256kbit leased line. We even hav 32 official IPs :) |
| 18:08.21 | nilsf | mallum: I am now thinking of hosting some smaller things here locally. Like our own homepage for a start. |
| 18:08.33 | mallum | nilsf: right |
| 18:09.00 | mallum | nilsf: I have a dual PIII 500Mhz 1gig ram 2u intel rack just lying on my desk ... |
| 18:09.34 | nilsf | mallum: Makes a nice server... |
| 18:10.06 | mallum | nilsf: yes, just need to get it to Germany |
| 18:10.18 | mallum | nilsf: you coming via UK on GUADEC visit ? |
| 18:10.38 | nilsf | mallum: Oh oh, you meant that this way! Didn't get that, sorry... |
| 18:13.48 | dc_ | hehehee |
| 18:21.34 | florian | Is the yellow led supposed to be off with hh14 if the battery is fully charged? |
| 18:22.13 | nilsf | florian: I don't think that this behaviour has changed from hh13 to hh14 so the answer is presumably no. |
| 18:24.18 | florian | nilsf: rebooting didn't changed the behavior... the jacket's led works... the battery applet too |
| 18:24.38 | dc_ | mallum: wow, minimo isn't much slower than dillo at scrolling |
| 18:24.46 | dc_ | mallum: and it certianly renders alot better. |
| 18:24.47 | dc_ | :) |
| 18:24.55 | BBrox | mallum: back now.... |
| 18:25.44 | nilsf | florian: Strange. Already tried reset button = hardware reset? Or letting it drain a little to see if it starts flashing again afterwards? |
| 18:26.03 | mallum | dc_: yes, quite impressive eh |
| 18:26.19 | mallum | BBrox: aha, I must pester you now for old freetype libs |
| 18:26.35 | dc_ | mallum: did you do the gtk ui as a quick test? |
| 18:26.56 | florian | nilsf: hardware reset din't help...but i have a nice idea about the green led |
| 18:27.07 | mallum | dc_: no thats included |
| 18:27.22 | mallum | dc_: I guess we could hack it a bit to make it better |
| 18:27.25 | PaxAnima | my ipaq is dead... :/ |
| 18:27.27 | dc_ | mallum: indeed. |
| 18:27.51 | BBrox | mallum: DCC should be requested :-) |
| 18:28.00 | florian | PaxAnima: what did you do? |
| 18:28.03 | dc_ | mallum: you can upload the source if you don't have time and I could make it gpeish. |
| 18:28.09 | PaxAnima | florian: nothing... |
| 18:28.17 | mallum | BBrox: grabbing it, thanks |
| 18:28.18 | florian | PaxAnima: very bad... |
| 18:28.22 | dc_ | mallum: and maybe make it load up pages when you hit enter on the url box ;) |
| 18:28.23 | mallum | dc_: see http://poincare.ikezoe.net/kazehakase/20030309.html |
| 18:28.38 | PaxAnima | florian: trying to charge it now with the AC adaptor.. |
| 18:28.39 | dc_ | ooh....god, it's even faster in portrait mode ;) |
| 18:28.47 | mallum | dc_: yep |
| 18:29.02 | mallum | dc_: hmm enter did work for me I think |
| 18:29.14 | florian | where is the new matchbox ipk? |
| 18:29.23 | dc_ | hrm |
| 18:30.16 | mallum | florian: same pace as before hh.org/~mallum/matchbox/0.6 |
| 18:30.24 | florian | mallum: thanks |
| 18:30.24 | mallum | florian: same version as before Im afraid :/ |
| 18:30.46 | dc_ | doh, I lack the memory to be able to have both minino and dillo open at the same time :0\ |
| 18:30.47 | florian | brb |
| 18:31.03 | dc_ | mallum: great, thanks. |
| 18:31.07 | dc_ | mallum: jap :) |
| 18:31.46 | mallum | dc_: I tried his browser but it wernt that great |
| 18:32.31 | dc_ | mallum: oh, so it's not an actual new source base...just a new way of compiling the base mozilla..? |
| 18:32.39 | dc_ | doh |
| 18:32.44 | dc_ | MINIMO_01302003_BRANCH |
| 18:32.52 | mallum | dc_: yep |
| 18:33.01 | mallum | dc_: and follow the configure instructions there |
| 18:33.06 | dc_ | great. |
| 18:33.12 | dc_ | what moz version did you use? |
| 18:33.13 | mallum | dc_: then look in embedding/gtk once built |
| 18:33.20 | mallum | dc_: that CVS tag |
| 18:33.51 | BBrox | mallum: so ? |
| 18:33.54 | dc_ | hah, dillo looks very bad compared to minino |
| 18:33.58 | dc_ | minimo :] |
| 18:34.18 | dc_ | mallum: /me hides in shame |
| 18:34.22 | dc_ | mallum: right you are. |
| 18:34.29 | mallum | BBrox: one sec |
| 18:34.54 | mallum | BBrox: doh it dont seem to want to load it :/ |
| 18:35.03 | dc_ | cvs [checkout aborted]: must specify at least one module or directory |
| 18:35.13 | dc_ | mallum: stange....was your cvs command different? |
| 18:35.14 | mallum | dc_: stick mozilla at the end |
| 18:35.18 | dc_ | doh |
| 18:35.45 | BBrox | mallum: did you create the symlinks ? |
| 18:36.08 | dc_ | mallum: this is gonna take a while on my modem isn't it... |
| 18:36.16 | mallum | BBrox: ah I think I missed one |
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| 18:36.47 | dc_ | wb pb_ |
| 18:37.12 | mallum | BBrox: right its loading it, I just now have to copy some TTF's into windows/fonts right ? |
| 18:37.20 | pb_ | re |
| 18:37.22 | pb_ | dc_: :-) |
| 18:37.37 | BBrox | mallum: that's it, yeah |
| 18:37.42 | mallum | dinner brb |
| 18:43.00 | pb_ | hell, forgot to buy a new hard drive again. |
| 18:43.52 | PaxAnima | mallum: is minimo very beta-testing-thing? |
| 18:44.28 | pb_ | florian: ah, you fixed prismstumbler with hostap-cs? I'll have to try that out! |
| 18:50.12 | mallum | PaxAnima: yes, very experimental I think |
| 18:51.12 | PaxAnima | mallum: made a scap of minimo running on my ipaq... |
| 18:53.57 | florian | re |
| 18:54.35 | florian | pb_: well - i changed only one small issue with connecting |
| 18:54.40 | BBrox | mallum: so, what gives ? |
| 18:54.46 | mallum | BBrox: hh.org/~mallum//wine-qemu-ppc.png !!!!! |
| 18:55.05 | florian | pb_: i have no idea why monitor mode works now... |
| 18:55.30 | pb_ | florian: very strange. oh well. |
| 18:55.52 | BBrox | mallum: heh, cool :-) |
| 18:57.08 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:57.35 | florian | QEMU? |
| 18:58.00 | BBrox | mallum: now test some gamez :-) |
| 18:58.11 | mallum | BBrox: I have an old ppc 7600 which I got for a couple of hours work, tis is very nice - runs my mail and firewall etc |
| 18:58.30 | mallum | BBrox: X runs nice on it too. You can pick them up on ebay for ~ 150 pounds |
| 18:59.03 | BBrox | mallum: I need to check the prices at work again. Was around 200 Euros (but can't remember the models / CPU / memory / hard-drive) |
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| 19:09.09 | mallum | BBrox: 7600 are cheap and good. avoid beige GŁ3's like the plague |
| 19:10.26 | BBrox | Well, wonder what I would do with the box though. My old trusty P120 is working perfectly as my server / firewall :-) |
| 19:10.56 | pb_ | mmm, I could do with a new firewall. |
| 19:11.15 | pb_ | I'm kind of fond of my netwinder, but it'd be handy to have a machine with three ports. |
| 19:12.49 | mallum | I highly recommend an old ppc machine, cheap and built like a brick |
| 19:13.25 | mallum | BBrox: but script kiddies attack your x86 'easier' than ppc |
| 19:13.30 | pb_ | yeah, maybe I should look into one of those. |
| 19:13.35 | florian | yeah, in germany powerstacks are very cheap :-) |
| 19:14.27 | pb_ | or, hm, maybe I could fit a parallel port ethernet card to the netwinder and get another port that way. |
| 19:14.51 | BBrox | mallum: sure :-) |
| 19:25.09 | mallum | BBrox: also you get fat scsi disks |
| 19:25.25 | mallum | BBrox: and scsi zip drive |
| 19:26.20 | pb_ | ah, there's an accton parallel port card on ebay, and it would appear that http://www.home.unix-ag.org/nils/accton_linux.html is my resource for drivers. |
| 19:28.20 | mallum | Id like to get some kind of net connectivity for my dreamcast and get that doing something useful |
| 19:28.41 | pb_ | what interfaces does the dreamcast have? |
| 19:32.40 | mallum | just proprietry ones, and a modem port |
| 19:32.58 | mallum | I think you can do something with the modem, or home brew some kind of interface |
| 19:33.32 | mallum | you uses to be able to buy network interfaces from sega, though now only on ebay for a fortune :( |
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| 19:44.24 | florian | mallum: Still some problems with matchbox: |
| 19:44.34 | mallum | florian: ok expected |
| 19:44.43 | mallum | florian: titlebars should be ok now though right ? |
| 19:46.14 | florian | mallum: yep, execpt the "blondie" theme seems to have changed it's color... |
| 19:47.09 | florian | mallum: Two games are not in the "games" section (tetris and julia) |
| 19:48.53 | mallum | florian: yes the color is deliberate |
| 19:49.49 | florian | mallum: some icons in the dock look strange: look at the xkbd and minisys icons... |
| 19:50.05 | mallum | florian: can you see whats in the .desktop category of the missing games |
| 19:50.15 | florian | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25514.png |
| 19:50.21 | mallum | florian: yes the dock icons need some work - they are all themeable now |
| 19:50.55 | florian | mallum: both Application;Game;GPE |
| 19:51.55 | mallum | florian: ok |
| 19:52.27 | mallum | BBrox: wine is totally dumb with window management though :( is there any way to get it to use the normal wm ? |
| 19:52.56 | florian | mallum: applications with Application;Other;GPE have the same problem - they don't show up in "other" |
| 19:53.17 | BBrox | mallum: really ? What Wine version did Fabrice ship with QEMU ?* |
| 19:53.20 | mallum | florian: ok simple to fix |
| 19:53.37 | florian | mallum: great |
| 19:53.58 | mallum | florian: see /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders |
| 19:54.10 | florian | mallum: it feeld faster now :-) |
| 19:54.15 | mallum | florian: you can edit folders and stuff now ( a little bit ) |
| 19:54.26 | florian | mallum: let me see.... |
| 19:54.55 | mallum | I'll fix in the distro too of course |
| 19:56.36 | BBrox | mallum: try to put '"Managed" = "Y"' in your [x11drv] section of your config file |
| 19:56.59 | mallum | BBrox: ah cool, missied that |
| 19:57.49 | florian | mallum: "Other" has "fallback" as match, this seems not to work... |
| 19:57.49 | mallum | BBrox: aha much better |
| 19:57.58 | mallum | florian: yes, just noticed that |
| 19:58.59 | florian | mallum: xsettins seem to work now - what's the setting for desktop font? |
| 19:59.39 | mallum | florian: one sec |
| 20:00.08 | mallum | florian; |
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| 20:01.15 | florian | mallum: ahh, cool... i need to change this in gpe-conf... |
| 20:02.20 | mallum | florian: fingers crossed it works :-) |
| 20:02.30 | florian | mallum: is there a setting for font color too? |
| 20:02.40 | florian | mallum: i'll test this tomorrow :-) |
| 20:03.01 | mallum | florian: appears not :(, if the size works though trivial to add I think |
| 20:04.14 | mallum | florian: I think root.directory has been defined as fallback thus breakage |
| 20:04.55 | florian | mallum: ah, yes - then it's clear what happened |
| 20:05.18 | mallum | florian: hmm, I think it needs to be PIM |
| 20:06.20 | mallum | florian: if you make a ~/.matchbox/vfolders. you can safely overide the folder setup btw |
| 20:06.42 | florian | mallum: ah, great... |
| 20:07.12 | florian | mallum: yep root=pim and fallback+"Other*"=Others |
| 20:08.30 | mallum | florian: ok I added the stuff. I'll probably package it tommorow now |
| 20:08.34 | mallum | florian: need a break |
| 20:08.54 | florian | mallum: shure, no problem... me too :-) |
| 20:09.08 | mallum | biab |
| 20:10.40 | BBrox | mallum: don't forget to tell me of any nice Wine success stories :-) |
| 20:11.21 | BBrox | mallum: I could give you a glibc2.1 Mesa library so you could try D3D games :-) |
| 20:38.15 | jg | mallum, florian: any particularly fun stuff I should demo at usenix/guadec? |
| 20:40.55 | mallum | jg_: you should steal andy/jameys tabletpc and demon that with gnome on |
| 20:46.12 | jg | mallum: nope: got too much to carry as it is... |
| 20:46.38 | jg | mallum: I was referring to ipaq stuff.... |
| 20:49.34 | mallum | jg_: hmm, I dont think mb 0.6 is ready for demo's yet :/ |
| 20:50.06 | jg | mallum: ok, I'll show vanilla GPE oob... |
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| 21:18.24 | mallum | Woha! xmerlin is _MASSIVE_ :/ |
| 21:19.38 | PaxAnima | mallum: how? |
| 21:19.45 | jg | mallum: what is xmerlin? |
| 21:21.58 | mallum | jg: another stroke recogniser |
| 21:22.08 | jg | merlin: google is my friend... |
| 21:22.27 | mallum | PaxAnima: it has all these datafiles I've never noticed before |
| 21:22.33 | mallum | PaxAnima: there like 600k |
| 21:22.56 | mallum | jg_: did you get it from google ok ? |
| 21:22.56 | PaxAnima | wow |
| 21:24.41 | mallum | I think I'll have to plug zlib into it or summin if I can be bothered |
| 21:39.26 | mallum | PaxAnima: all the .dat files into 1 file + gzip > 120k |
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| 21:40.52 | PaxAnima | mallum: ah... but doesn't jffs2 compress the files? |
| 21:52.43 | florian | night all |
| 21:58.06 | mallum | PaxAnima: doh, I ALWAYS forget that ! |
| 21:58.56 | PaxAnima | mallum: me too ;) |
| 21:59.20 | pb_ | if you gzip the files in advance with -9, or even use bzip2, you'll probably beat jffs2 by a few percent. might not be worth the effort though. |
| 21:59.57 | mallum | pb_: yeah I've dont it now. It helped with gzip reducing all the .dat files into 1 big file and then gzipping it |
| 22:00.24 | mallum | pb_: I dont know if jffs2 works on the entire filesystem as a whole, or just each seperate file |
| 22:00.48 | mallum | and zlib is very easy to use :-) fopen -> gzopen etc |
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| 22:09.24 | pb_ | mallum: ah right, cool |
| 22:30.41 | pigeon | morning all |
| 22:31.08 | PaxAnima | "morning", pigeon |
| 22:31.55 | pigeon | Yo PaxAnima |
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| 22:56.56 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 22:57.15 | jsmanrique | it seems mallum has gone |
| 22:57.20 | PaxAnima | jsmanrique: hi |
| 22:57.31 | PaxAnima | jsmanrique: he left about half an hour ago |
| 22:57.44 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima: hi! Thanks |
| 23:00.01 | jsmanrique | see you |
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