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| 07:02.33 | jsmanrique | good morning! |
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| 07:04.16 | florian | morning |
| 07:07.41 | jsmanrique | good morning! |
| 07:08.21 | jsmanrique | has anybody tried magic-point with an ipaq |
| 07:08.24 | jsmanrique | ?? |
| 07:08.52 | jsmanrique | with CF Voyager VGA card, I mean |
| 07:09.16 | jsmanrique | I've seen some hacks, but nothing GPE related or official |
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| 07:09.45 | florian | hmm... what is magic-point? |
| 07:10.58 | jsmanrique | a presentation program |
| 07:11.20 | jsmanrique | it reads a simple text file (some kind of xml I think) and outputs the slides |
| 07:11.37 | jsmanrique | the "presentation" files are very, very light |
| 07:11.52 | jsmanrique | so, it would be useful for "low resources" devices |
| 07:12.27 | jsmanrique | I think, because it could be better to use available resources instead of starting a new app |
| 07:12.41 | florian | ah ok... afaik not, nils has a voyager - but one of the voyger that don't work with linux |
| 07:12.46 | jsmanrique | ideal app, should be able to read a xml file and output the slides |
| 07:13.02 | jsmanrique | maybe docbook slides format would be a good base for such app |
| 07:13.09 | florian | yep, that wouls be really nice... |
| 07:13.27 | florian | s/wouls/would |
| 07:13.37 | jsmanrique | :-) |
| 07:13.59 | jsmanrique | specially, it woul be useful to make GPE demostrations :-) |
| 07:14.55 | florian | Another good idea is to send a screenshot (wirless) to your presentation software on a pc and update it every second... |
| 07:15.21 | florian | Nils used this in his talk about GPE on cebit this year... |
| 07:15.22 | jsmanrique | wireless support is more expensive, but it is an idea too |
| 07:15.43 | jsmanrique | but sounds interesting |
| 07:16.05 | jsmanrique | but you would need: a pc or laptop, and wireless card |
| 07:16.24 | jsmanrique | I mean a complete PC independecie |
| 07:16.41 | jsmanrique | I want my iPAQ as real computer, not a PC add-on |
| 07:18.14 | jsmanrique | of course, having connection with PC is a real good add-on, but I want a pocket computer, not an extra card for my PC |
| 07:19.01 | jsmanrique | I have compiled magic-point some time ago on the ipaq cluster, but I haven't been able to test it |
| 07:19.42 | jsmanrique | get the source on its website: http://www.mew.org/mgp/ |
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| 07:20.52 | jsmanrique | I would like to use the iPAQ for almost everything |
| 07:21.01 | jsmanrique | for presentations I mean |
| 07:21.13 | jsmanrique | i.e.: Creating the presentation on the ipaq |
| 07:21.30 | jsmanrique | and showing it witha CF VGA Card |
| 07:22.01 | florian | Yep, this would be cool - i don't think that's hard to it to ipaq. |
| 07:22.17 | jsmanrique | of course, a CF VGA Card could be useful to show GPE working on a projector or real PC screen |
| 07:23.11 | florian | yeah, really... |
| 07:23.23 | florian | morning PaxAnima |
| 07:23.33 | jsmanrique | PaxAnima : hi! |
| 07:23.37 | PaxAnima | hi, florian and jsmanrique |
| 07:24.41 | florian | oh, i think i should answer nelsons mail... |
| 07:28.20 | jsmanrique | I think this could be useful for what I am talking about: http://www.fairlite.demon.co.uk/handhelds.html |
| 07:30.19 | florian | Yep, this sounds good... |
| 07:36.05 | jsmanrique | maybe I should send an email to gpe mailing list about this idea... what do you think? |
| 07:37.49 | florian | Yep, mails to mailinglist are everytime a good idea... maybe we have this already in our X server... |
| 07:39.21 | jsmanrique | that is, I am not sure if xipaq is already on the X server... so, maybe, we just need the software and gui to do the presentation |
| 07:40.51 | florian | yep, exactly... |
| 07:41.21 | florian | maybe ask mallum or jg about the X server when they show up... |
| 07:49.55 | jsmanrique | ok |
| 07:50.15 | jsmanrique | I've just sent an email to gpe and familiar mailing lists |
| 08:13.45 | jsmanrique | See you later |
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| 08:28.40 | florian | cmarqu_werk: helloo.. |
| 08:39.36 | cmarqu_werk | Hi florian |
| 08:41.06 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Could gpe-aerial say "No networks found" when it has given up? I get the "Scan" dialog, and after a while, I get an empty (apart from the table title) fullsize window. |
| 08:43.27 | florian | cmarqu_werk: It never gives up :-) The scanner stays on after displaying the window... any net that shows up will displayed until the scanner is stopped. |
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| 08:46.33 | jsmanrique | hi aigan |
| 08:46.40 | jsmanrique | again |
| 08:55.33 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Ah, okay. |
| 08:56.08 | florian | ok, i think i fixed everything from nelsons mail :-) |
| 09:04.34 | jsmanrique | someone has started a sync app for linux machines, look here for gSynchronize: http://www.wunslov.com/ |
| 09:10.22 | jsmanrique | look to it |
| 09:10.38 | jsmanrique | both machines have to be mounted on same file system |
| 09:11.01 | jsmanrique | but it is on early stages of development and it syncs apps |
| 09:12.51 | jsmanrique | it can sync evolution contacts, email, .. almost everything I see |
| 09:13.28 | jsmanrique | maybe, that usb-storage driver for the ipaq would be great to mount the ipaq on pc filesystem |
| 09:15.42 | jsmanrique | anybody there? |
| 09:25.50 | florian | now... |
| 09:26.27 | florian | this would be an idea, yes - at least easy to use. |
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| 09:40.08 | florian | morning pb_, mallum, jblinux |
| 09:40.36 | jblinux | florian: morning florian, evening here :) |
| 09:40.44 | jblinux | Hi pb_ |
| 09:40.51 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 09:40.53 | pb_ | hi jblinux |
| 09:42.39 | mallum | hey ppl |
| 09:42.51 | jblinux | hi mallum |
| 09:49.53 | jsmanrique | mallum : hi! |
| 10:05.31 | jblinux | florian: noticed you uploaded prismstumbler packages. You've done bug fixes you talked about yesterday on CVS? |
| 10:08.38 | florian | jblinux: yep, most of them i think. |
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| 11:24.52 | mstr | Hi, any idea how xkbd docks to the bottom of my screen? |
| 11:25.23 | mstr | This happens automatically when used with matchbox, but not with any other window manager. |
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| 11:26.48 | mallum | mstr: other window managers arn't designed for handhelds ... and dont take into account things like virtual keyboards ... |
| 11:27.17 | mstr | so matchbox has special handling for xkbd? |
| 11:27.43 | mallum | mstr: matchbox has special handling for a particular window type |
| 11:27.53 | mstr | which is? :) |
| 11:28.01 | mallum | mstr: any window that says its a 'toolbar' gets put down the bottom |
| 11:29.46 | mstr | ok |
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| 12:26.35 | jblinux | florian: there is iface-wlan-14.c RawSock reference problem |
| 12:27.03 | jblinux | florian: RawSock should be in prismstumbler.h ? |
| 12:31.15 | jblinux | florian: no problem, I messed up something myself :P |
| 12:39.27 | florian | jblinux: ah, ok |
| 12:41.19 | jblinux | florian: the broken pipe problem seems to be solved... |
| 12:42.44 | florian | jblinux: yeah - nor ps checks for errors while polling the socket. |
| 12:42.52 | florian | s/nor/now |
| 12:51.26 | jblinux | florian: in miniclient, in the for loop, if (read(sock, (void*)&buf, sizeof(psmessage_t)) < 0), should be if (read(sock, (void*)&buf, sizeof(psmessage_t)) <= 0) |
| 12:51.55 | jblinux | florian: that will stop printing the same messages when prismstumbler is stopped, and the client is still running |
| 12:52.09 | florian | jblinux: eh... yep, fixing it |
| 12:58.49 | jblinux | florian: second time restarting the client won't get connected with the running prismstumbler.... maybe there should be a check in main.c to re-listen a socket when existing one is close? |
| 13:00.45 | jblinux | florian: well, I haven't been playing with gui part, so maybe that's not necessary... |
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| 13:04.22 | pb_ | dc_: hey |
| 13:04.33 | dc_ | yay |
| 13:04.39 | dc_ | pb_: hey! |
| 13:04.52 | pb_ | dc_: taking a short break from your exams? |
| 13:05.05 | dc_ | indeed :) |
| 13:05.09 | dc_ | next on isn't tell monday |
| 13:05.11 | dc_ | thank god. |
| 13:05.15 | pb_ | cool. how've they been going so far? |
| 13:05.19 | dc_ | not bad. |
| 13:05.38 | dc_ | except for english...I really hope I at least pass it. |
| 13:06.30 | dc_ | oh, and I might have part time employment soon, doing php programmer. |
| 13:06.36 | dc_ | s/er/ing/ |
| 13:06.46 | dc_ | which would be nice. |
| 13:06.47 | pb_ | oh right, neat. who's employing you? |
| 13:07.01 | florian | jblinux: with the gui this should work... |
| 13:07.05 | dc_ | a guy I know who lives in the next town |
| 13:07.16 | pb_ | right. |
| 13:07.25 | dc_ | hopefully it'd mean I can do part time work/collage. |
| 13:07.33 | pb_ | sounds good. |
| 13:07.34 | dc_ | and be a student with....money.... |
| 13:08.05 | dc_ | and I'll also be able to continue gpe at the office ;) |
| 13:08.16 | dc_ | pb_: oh, how did the release go then? |
| 13:08.20 | dc_ | florian: morning/ |
| 13:08.34 | pb_ | dc_: ah, familiar 0.7 was postponed due to last-minute showstopper bugs. |
| 13:08.45 | florian | hi dc_ |
| 13:09.06 | pb_ | dc_: but Nils is writing a release notice for GPE anyway; the two don't need to be totally synchronised. |
| 13:09.19 | jblinux | florian: ok... is gpe-frontend another running process? both miniclient and prismstumbler got started or stopped together? |
| 13:10.12 | pb_ | ah, I should update the topic to mention rc3. |
| 13:10.16 | *** topic/#gpe by pb_ -> GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://handhelds.org/bugzilla | Familiar 0.7 issues: http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 | New matchbox website with screenshots and docs - > http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/ | Visit comp.os.linux.embedded newsgroup | Familiar 0.7-rc3 now at http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7/install/ |
| 13:10.56 | florian | jblinux: yep, the fontend is another process - it needs to be started after prismstumbler. |
| 13:11.30 | florian | jblinux: btw. prismstumbler only serves one client at once... |
| 13:13.06 | jblinux | florian: ok. but once that client exits and then restarts, it won't get connect to prismstumbler again right? |
| 13:13.46 | florian | jblinux: hmm.. this should work... |
| 13:14.37 | dc_ | right |
| 13:14.58 | dc_ | pb_: so did the gpe-fm scrollbars get sorted out..? |
| 13:15.16 | pb_ | dc_: no, I couldn't figure out what was wrong. I will look at it again over the weekend. |
| 13:15.31 | dc_ | pb_: cool...I have chemistry revision tomorrow and the next dat. |
| 13:15.35 | dc_ | s/dat/say/ |
| 13:15.39 | dc_ | s/say/day/ |
| 13:15.43 | dc_ | doh. |
| 13:15.43 | pb_ | third time lucky |
| 13:15.47 | dc_ | hehe |
| 13:15.57 | pb_ | dc_: righto. I'll send you mail if I work it out. |
| 13:16.05 | dc_ | but anyhow, after the 17th I'm free untill 21july |
| 13:16.10 | dc_ | pb_: thanks. |
| 13:16.17 | dc_ | which is when I goto japan :D |
| 13:16.23 | pb_ | aha, excellent. |
| 13:16.28 | pb_ | how long will you be in Japan? |
| 13:16.30 | dc_ | and I'll defiently have time to gpe then aswell. |
| 13:16.33 | dc_ | a month |
| 13:16.43 | dc_ | I'll hopefully have the new repaired iBook. |
| 13:16.45 | pb_ | sounds great. which part of the country? |
| 13:16.52 | dc_ | very north |
| 13:17.06 | pb_ | right |
| 13:17.10 | dc_ | as north as you can go on the island. |
| 13:17.21 | jblinux | florian: strange..didn't seem to work here....I thought it might be the socket is closed when the client's first exit, and then there is no bind, listen issued from prismstumbler to intiate another connection....or there is? |
| 13:17.33 | pb_ | dc_: oh, by the way, I have gpe (mostly) working on h5450 now. |
| 13:17.37 | dc_ | wahay! |
| 13:17.46 | dc_ | pb_: that sounds great! |
| 13:17.56 | pb_ | touchscreen driver is still a bit flaky, need to look at that some more. |
| 13:18.02 | dc_ | I'd like to get one in the next year. |
| 13:18.08 | pb_ | and the colours on the LCD aren't quite right either, but most of the functionality is there. |
| 13:18.15 | dc_ | great. |
| 13:18.20 | dc_ | that's really cool. |
| 13:18.30 | dc_ | my c700 kind of owns me right now. |
| 13:18.35 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:18.39 | dc_ | it's great with wifi around the house. |
| 13:19.15 | pb_ | yeah, I should get wifi set up properly at home so I can work in the garden. |
| 13:19.20 | dc_ | :-) |
| 13:19.29 | pb_ | assuming it stops raining sometime between now and Christmas, anyway |
| 13:19.45 | florian | jblinux: this is in main.c, only the client socket should be closed there... do you have the current cvs status? |
| 13:19.47 | dc_ | it's pretty anoying though, because mine won't go through more than 2 brick walls.... |
| 13:20.06 | dc_ | but I guess that's asking a bit to much |
| 13:20.15 | pb_ | yeah, transmission through walls can be a bit hit and miss. depends how thick they are and what materials. |
| 13:20.26 | jblinux | florian: not sure how to get the cvs "status" :P |
| 13:20.37 | dc_ | out house has serious thick brick :-\ |
| 13:20.44 | pb_ | dc_: easiest solution is probably just to buy more APs. |
| 13:20.57 | dc_ | yes. although that'll have to wait. |
| 13:21.10 | dc_ | we've already spend a bit too much on it all. |
| 13:21.14 | pb_ | heh, right. |
| 13:22.18 | florian | jblinux: ok, i meant whats currently in cvs - just do a "cvs update" |
| 13:23.14 | jblinux | florian: ok. thanks. |
| 13:23.21 | mallum | dc_: you can get some super wattage wifi cards from the states, which have there ranges in miles :-) |
| 13:26.03 | florian | mallum: you won't be able to run miles before your battery is flat ;-) |
| 13:26.11 | dc_ | mallum: woah? |
| 13:26.17 | dc_ | mallum: how much..? |
| 13:26.44 | mallum | dc_: I cant remember, google for it. It was a while back a looked into it for the tate |
| 13:26.47 | dc_ | maybe I'll have to research into getting one of those sometime. |
| 13:27.02 | dc_ | the linksys 11g ap isn't bad. |
| 13:27.23 | mallum | dc_: hows the c700 ? ever get it speaking to your t68 ? |
| 13:27.45 | dc_ | maybe getting some 11g cards may help may range problem a bit...as it is rated as having a londer range than 11b. |
| 13:28.01 | dc_ | mallum: not really, I think it I got the c700 to send sometime once. |
| 13:28.12 | dc_ | mallum: but ircp just exits when I try to run it. |
| 13:30.56 | mallum | dc_: oh http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/manual/themes/ |
| 13:31.21 | dc_ | yay :D |
| 13:31.25 | dc_ | mallum: well done :) |
| 13:32.31 | mallum | dc_: feel free to send comments / patches etc, the source for it is in mb cvs |
| 13:32.35 | dc_ | mallum: can you remember what dev device to irattach? |
| 13:32.40 | cmarqu_werk | dc_: Dry the walls with some super wattage heaters :) |
| 13:32.50 | dc_ | cmarqu_werk: ! |
| 13:33.16 | dc_ | :) |
| 13:34.03 | mallum | dc_: ircomm1 ? |
| 13:35.05 | dc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.15 | dc_ | sorry...silly irc didn't print that before. |
| 13:35.23 | dc_ | heh, yet ircp still dies.. |
| 13:36.26 | mallum | ircomm1 ? |
| 13:36.48 | dc_ | I don't have that dev device. |
| 13:37.06 | mallum | for my tibook, I have a little script like; |
| 13:37.11 | mallum | cat /dev/ttyS1 > /dev/null & |
| 13:37.11 | mallum | irattach /dev/ttyS1 -s 1 |
| 13:37.11 | mallum | echo 57600 > /proc/sys/net/irda/max_baud_rate |
| 13:38.25 | dc_ | my lift is here |
| 13:38.27 | dc_ | bbl later. |
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| 14:17.54 | jblinux | florian: the client seems to reconnect to the connect no problem...but prismstumbler main's accept didn't seem to get it...is it supposed to work? |
| 14:18.10 | jblinux | s/connect/socket |
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| 14:19.10 | florian | jblinux: yes, i tested this a few hours ago... |
| 14:19.45 | jblinux | florian: ok... |
| 14:22.09 | florian | jblinux: i'll check this... oh, my ipaq died .-/ |
| 14:24.35 | jblinux | florian: :( |
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| 14:31.24 | florian | hello jg |
| 14:32.37 | jg | florian: morning... |
| 14:42.30 | nelson | ibot: message for harlekin: pong. :-) |
| 15:19.09 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Does gpe-aerial work with hostap, or is there still that monitor mode problem? |
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| 15:23.57 | florian | cmarqu_werk: in theory yes - but it looks like hostap 0.0.3 still doesn't like changing of the channel |
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| 15:37.44 | nelson | florian: but ... it does change the channel. |
| 15:38.04 | nelson | florian: I ran iwconfig a bunch of times, and the frequency was changing all the time. |
| 15:38.24 | nelson | florian: I think maybe you're changing to a channel it doesn't support. |
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| 15:55.36 | florian | nelson: i tried manually - looks te same for different channels... |
| 15:56.41 | florian | nelson: associating wth an existing wlan works - i think the interface to wireless extensions doesn't work |
| 15:59.04 | nelson | florian: weird. But it *does* change channels. |
| 16:05.04 | florian | nelson: the card itself is able to select the channel to use itself - i think this works as well as reading settings from the card. i'll look at this later - maybe i find a way to make it work... |
| 16:05.57 | florian | bbl |
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| 17:32.28 | florian | re |
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| 18:04.32 | jblinux | florian: would anything about gps affect socket connection between prismstumbler and client? |
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| 18:30.21 | florian | jblinux: no, but prismstumbler will print an error message if no gpsd is running. but this has no negative effect. |
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| 18:39.57 | florian | bbl |
| 18:43.48 | jblinux | ibot, botmail to florian: ok, it seems to be doing anything right then. After some more runnings, it's obvious the client doesn't have problem to re-establish socket connection with prismstumbler but the prismstumbler's accept() would only work for the first time. Any ideas why? |
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