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| 00:30.09 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.19959.png |
| 00:35.43 | moray | AntiProxy: not using gpe-irc? |
| 00:36.31 | AntiProxy | moray: i tried hard to get used to it man.. |
| 00:36.35 | AntiProxy | it's just too limited |
| 00:36.52 | AntiProxy | of course XChat in this case is way too bloated |
| 00:36.57 | moray | (well, it's not very 'finished' as far as I know) |
| 00:37.19 | AntiProxy | i just built this to verify my new cross compiler toolchain works .) |
| 00:37.22 | moray | aha |
| 00:42.29 | AntiProxy | i gave up on fixing my timezone |
| 00:45.53 | treke|ho1e | gpe-irc needs some some interface work :p |
| 00:46.06 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 00:46.15 | AntiProxy | it took me a couple of minutes to figure out what i was doing |
| 00:46.46 | treke|ho1e | last I tried it, you couldnt use more than three channels on it before they started disappearing off screen |
| 00:47.28 | AntiProxy | by the way. i noticed this thing about GPE.. |
| 00:47.35 | AntiProxy | large windows get cropped for some reason |
| 00:48.28 | AntiProxy | i installed xine yesterday.. and the main component of it ( with the navigation and controls ) was literally cut in half |
| 00:48.51 | AntiProxy | i moved it a bit to the left and there was nothing on the right side |
| 00:58.39 | AntiProxy | how difficult would it be to implement a virtual desktop? |
| 00:58.47 | AntiProxy | like when your screen resolution is 800x600 and your desktop spans a couple of screens wide to be 1600x600 |
| 00:58.58 | pigeon | Hmm what version of bootldr do I need to familiar 0.7? |
| 00:59.05 | AntiProxy | 2.20.1 i guess |
| 00:59.36 | AntiProxy | pigeon: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/install/files/ |
| 01:00.01 | pigeon | AntiProxy: ta :) |
| 01:00.05 | AntiProxy | watch out, some files are for SA and some others are for PXA based devices |
| 01:00.46 | pigeon | I'll need the sa one then. |
| 01:01.09 | pigeon | bootldr-sa-2.20.1.bin.gz |
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| 01:03.40 | AntiProxy | yup |
| 01:12.00 | pigeon | Sweet. |
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| 01:51.20 | jblinux | ibot |
| 02:10.48 | jblinux | ibot, botmail to florian |
| 02:22.26 | nelson | ibot: botmail for jblinux: no, do it like this. |
| 02:23.42 | jblinux | nelson: thanks nelson, I kinda forgot. Anyway I got the messages sent via the ibot window |
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| 06:50.46 | florian | morning |
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| 07:51.50 | florian | jblinux: yes, i think so but i don't know how. iwconfig e.g. gives you signal levels in db |
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| 08:43.45 | florian | hi PaxAnima |
| 08:45.26 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
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| 08:58.53 | florian | hi cmarqu_werk |
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| 09:17.02 | cmarqu_werk | Hi florian |
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| 09:34.10 | florian | hello mallum |
| 09:35.10 | mallum | hey florian |
| 09:36.14 | mallum | florian: whats new ? |
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| 09:37.00 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 09:37.08 | jsmanrique | have you seen MiniNote? |
| 09:37.16 | jsmanrique | http://www.convergentech.com/mininotebook_specs.htm |
| 09:38.21 | mallum | hi jsmanrique |
| 09:38.31 | mallum | jsmanrique: I just got back from a week in grand canaria |
| 09:38.48 | jsmanrique | mallum : I'll send you my Spanish xkbd layout, but there are too problems with locales |
| 09:38.54 | jsmanrique | mallum : nice place, ins't it? |
| 09:39.37 | mallum | jsmanrique: yeah very nice |
| 09:46.06 | jsmanrique | mallum : have you taken a look into GOK project? |
| 09:46.30 | mallum | jsmanrique: no, whats that ? |
| 09:46.53 | jsmanrique | mallum : gnome screen keyboard |
| 09:47.06 | jsmanrique | mallum it has some code that might interest you |
| 09:47.34 | mallum | jsmanrique: oh yeah I've seen it |
| 09:47.52 | mallum | jsmanrique: I've not looked at the source however |
| 09:48.06 | jsmanrique | mallum : and there is a revision of grandr on http://noticias.es.gnome.org |
| 09:48.20 | jsmanrique | mallum : with an screenshot |
| 09:49.17 | mallum | jsmanrique: oh right, do you have a direct link ? |
| 09:49.47 | jsmanrique | mallum : not yet... |
| 09:51.10 | jsmanrique | mallum : http://noticias.es.gnome.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=5 |
| 09:52.58 | mallum | jsmanrique: ah right, I see |
| 09:57.56 | jsmanrique | have you seen MiniNote? |
| 09:58.01 | jsmanrique | http://www.convergentech.com/mininotebook_specs.htm |
| 09:58.06 | jsmanrique | nice device.. |
| 10:00.51 | mallum | yeah, dont see anything that special about it though .... ? |
| 10:01.17 | jsmanrique | screen size |
| 10:01.23 | jsmanrique | screen resolution.. |
| 10:01.45 | jsmanrique | it is like a cheap tabletpc, specially if it carried Linux instead of wince.net |
| 10:03.10 | mallum | ah right, didn't see that |
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| 10:05.24 | jsmanrique | and it isn't very expensive compared with ipaq i.e. |
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| 10:10.47 | florian | re |
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| 10:11.38 | jsmanrique | florian : have you seen this?: http://www.convergentech.com/mininotebook_specs.htm |
| 10:11.39 | florian | hi spung |
| 10:12.48 | florian | jsmanrique: not yet... but there are some mre or less cheap tablet pcs on ebay (germany..) |
| 10:14.06 | jsmanrique | florian : indeed? |
| 10:14.29 | florian | jsmanrique: this looks nice... looks like it has an usb master :-) |
| 10:14.40 | jsmanrique | florian : well, I was not thingking about eBay, but a real company producing real cheap Linux tabletpc like devices |
| 10:15.36 | jsmanrique | florian : we need to convince Ximiand to release XD2 TabletPC Editon :-D |
| 10:15.40 | florian | jsmanrique: t-sinus pads (16MBFlash, 32MB RAM) for i think 250-300 EUR) |
| 10:15.57 | jsmanrique | florian : I should email Icaza again about that :-) |
| 10:16.03 | jsmanrique | florian : t-sinus? |
| 10:16.37 | florian | jsmanrique: this is a simpad with home-rf support i think. |
| 10:17.05 | jsmanrique | florian : I don't know what it is, but it looks cool |
| 10:17.05 | florian | jsmanrique: devices that have linux support from venor would be nice |
| 10:17.32 | jsmanrique | florian : of course, that's what I mean |
| 10:18.50 | florian | jsmanrique: a propritary wireless connection to connect devices to telephone systems e.g... but maybe it has DECT support... i'm not shure. |
| 10:19.10 | jsmanrique | florian : t-sinus? 16MB Flash... isn't that enough for gpe2? I think not |
| 10:20.26 | florian | jsmanrique: It's the lowend Simpad sold ba german Telekom... |
| 10:20.59 | florian | jsmanrique: It should fit, but no real fun - 32MB flash is recommended. |
| 10:22.22 | jsmanrique | florian : yes, I know. I have a h3100 and h3870.. and there is a biiiig difference :-) |
| 10:23.35 | jsmanrique | but I loe those "big" touchscreens for note taken |
| 10:23.42 | jsmanrique | love I mean |
| 10:23.55 | jsmanrique | if we had GPE Journal |
| 10:24.20 | jsmanrique | I have written on Spanish Gnome-devel mailing list asking for people that could do that |
| 10:24.40 | florian | Yes, really - but the 38xxs display is much better too |
| 10:25.22 | jsmanrique | florian : it is a really great display |
| 10:29.34 | florian | jsmanrique: yes - this is a problem of most tablet pc... the displays are not as good as the ipaq dispays. |
| 10:29.44 | florian | oh... time to go... |
| 10:29.46 | florian | bbl |
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| 10:32.49 | jsmanrique | back again |
| 10:39.09 | jsmanrique | would you like vendor Linux support for PDA? |
| 10:39.27 | jsmanrique | I have contacted MasterIA, and they offer it with Qt |
| 10:39.58 | jsmanrique | they have pda, webpad,... |
| 10:43.00 | jsmanrique | hmm. its link is being slow |
| 10:43.09 | jsmanrique | http://www.masteria.com.tw |
| 10:43.38 | jsmanrique | they offer SA1100 pda for $350 more or less, but I can't remember |
| 10:47.08 | jsmanrique | see you later |
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| 11:22.55 | florian | re |
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| 11:48.23 | mstr | hey |
| 11:48.37 | PaxAnima | hi, mstr |
| 11:48.53 | mstr | I've been trying to figure out why xkbd won't work under matchbox, but no idea. :( |
| 11:49.34 | PaxAnima | hmm? |
| 11:49.40 | PaxAnima | ah. in Xnest? |
| 11:49.44 | mstr | yes |
| 11:50.12 | mstr | I tried with fvwm and stickyfocus too, but keyclicks still do nothing. |
| 11:51.20 | PaxAnima | I guess the key press is sent to the Xnest window, not a child in that window |
| 11:51.46 | mstr | hmm. very annoying |
| 11:53.45 | PaxAnima | does xstroke work? |
| 11:54.03 | mstr | what is that? |
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| 11:55.13 | PaxAnima | mstr: handwriting recognition app... |
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| 11:55.45 | PaxAnima | mstr: you could try minipredict and see if that works... |
| 11:56.46 | mstr | minipredict? |
| 11:56.52 | PaxAnima | http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/ |
| 11:57.36 | PaxAnima | The source is in tarballs at http://handhelds.org/~paxanima/files/ |
| 11:58.38 | PaxAnima | mstr: not sure how it will compile, though.. I don't have any "make install"... |
| 12:05.51 | mstr | PaxAnima: minipredict.tar.gz? |
| 12:06.06 | PaxAnima | mstr: yes.. and libdictionary.tar.gz |
| 12:06.38 | mstr | ehh, to run xstroke? |
| 12:06.46 | PaxAnima | no. minipredict... |
| 12:07.08 | mstr | and what was that? |
| 12:07.12 | PaxAnima | minipredict is a word prediction app...was just thinking for testing it under Xnest.. see if that fails to |
| 12:07.13 | mstr | :| |
| 12:07.15 | PaxAnima | o |
| 12:07.54 | PaxAnima | (but I guess I'd rather test it myself) |
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| 12:13.20 | PaxAnima | mstr: can't get minipredict to work with Xnest, so I guess there really is a Xnest limitation when it comes to sending fake keystrokes |
| 12:13.56 | florian | re |
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| 14:11.18 | pb_ | afternoon |
| 14:12.22 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 14:13.09 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 14:17.07 | florian | did dc fix this filemanager issue? |
| 14:17.29 | pb_ | no. neither damien nor I could work out what was wrong. |
| 14:18.24 | florian | ehh... this is bad, what kind of widget does it use? |
| 14:18.49 | pb_ | the infamous gpeiconlist. |
| 14:19.00 | mstr | "Mode_switch must be assigned to an unshifted keycode and a modifier." |
| 14:19.02 | pb_ | trouble is, the bug doesn't seem to be reproducible on a desktop machine. |
| 14:19.05 | mstr | ^ from xkbd |
| 14:19.57 | mstr | Could that have something to do with keyclicks not registering - problem? |
| 14:25.37 | mallum | mstr: are you getting that on the ipaq ? |
| 14:26.25 | mstr | x86 |
| 14:26.44 | mallum | does xkbd work though ? |
| 14:27.02 | mstr | works outside xnest in kde |
| 14:27.16 | mstr | but in xnest under matchbox, no |
| 14:28.33 | florian | pb_: i maild to hostap-ml about this problems on arm. you used v0.0.3 for your -hh13.1 kernel, right? |
| 14:28.56 | mallum | mstr: wierd, you need to use xmodmap to set mode_switch to an used key |
| 14:29.12 | mallum | s/used/unused/ |
| 14:29.22 | mstr | could you explain that a bit easier? |
| 14:29.39 | mallum | mstr: on the ipaq it does this with a like script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 14:30.15 | mstr | what is mode_switch? |
| 14:30.24 | pb_ | florian: right. |
| 14:30.25 | mstr | I just get the whine, but have no idea why. |
| 14:30.34 | mallum | mstr: like xmodmap -e "keycode 135 = Mode_switch Multi_key" |
| 14:30.45 | mallum | mstr: then run xkbd |
| 14:31.11 | mallum | mstr: of cause Im assuming keycode 135 is free on your keyboard |
| 14:31.28 | mallum | mstr: check with xmodmap -pke |
| 14:31.37 | florian | pb_: i'll try to get rid of your kernel now... it looks like it causes some other trouble |
| 14:32.38 | mstr | keycode 135 = Mode_switch Multi_key |
| 14:32.56 | mstr | but I still get the error |
| 14:35.33 | mallum | mstr: what version of X ? |
| 14:35.34 | pb_ | florian: ok. |
| 14:36.47 | mallum | mstr: xmodmap is connecting to Xnests display right ? |
| 14:37.51 | mstr | hmm, I think I forgot that |
| 14:38.43 | mstr | mallum: 4.3.0 |
| 14:39.22 | mallum | mstr: and its connecting to the right display ( xmodmap ) ? |
| 14:39.47 | mstr | yea, I forgot the -display |
| 14:39.51 | mstr | now it works :) |
| 14:39.58 | mstr | thanks a lot :) |
| 14:40.10 | mallum | mstr: cool :-) |
| 14:40.51 | mallum | mstr: xkbd does try and remap the key itself, I dunno why it only sometimes works :( |
| 14:41.18 | nelson | 0.7-rc3 is up. |
| 14:43.57 | florian | hey cool, reflashing time :-) |
| 14:58.59 | florian | pb_: is there a particular reason why there is not the recent orinoco driver in handhelds 2.4.19 cvs? |
| 15:02.25 | florian | damn! |
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| 15:02.51 | florian | this stupid ipkg installed a pxa kernel on my 3870!! |
| 15:06.50 | AntiProxy | how do i get restore keylaunch functionality after i kill it for some reason? i tried starting it manually but the device buttons still have the new mapping i assigned with xmodmap |
| 15:07.52 | pb_ | ah, if you changed the mapping with xmodmap you will need to change it back again. |
| 15:08.19 | pb_ | florian: not that I know of. |
| 15:08.32 | AntiProxy | pb_: then how come they wont take effect till i kill keylaunch? |
| 15:08.44 | pb_ | florian: argh, that shouldn't be possible. you don't have ipaqpxa defined as an architecture or anything like that? |
| 15:09.15 | pb_ | AntiProxy: dunno. I think keylaunch maintains a grab on the keys while it's running, so that might have some effect. |
| 15:09.28 | AntiProxy | oh well |
| 15:09.31 | florian | pb_: i have v0.13 running on my x86, seems to be ok |
| 15:10.45 | florian | pb_: i didn't change anything in this definitions... i only commented out your kernel feed, ran uipkg update and installed the old kernel again. |
| 15:11.35 | AntiProxy | pb_: where would the default keymaps be found? .) |
| 15:12.17 | florian | pb_: i have no idea how this could happen, my system was updated to current unstable |
| 15:12.27 | pb_ | AntiProxy: no idea. you'd have to ask some X expert, I guess. |
| 15:12.37 | pb_ | florian: bizarre. maybe ask jamey if he has any ideas. |
| 15:12.41 | AntiProxy | i'll do some mining |
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| 15:13.46 | mallum | AntiProxy: the keymap comes from the kernel |
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| 15:14.04 | mallum | AntiProxy: what are you trying todo ? |
| 15:16.23 | AntiProxy | mallum: running gnuboy, i had to remap the default application keys, which i did with xmodmap but that didn't take effect till i killed keylaunch |
| 15:16.54 | AntiProxy | mallum: but after gnuboy is terminated, i need to restore the default functionality, and starting keylaunch didn't do it |
| 15:17.13 | AntiProxy | so perhaps i need to restore the default keymap as pb_ suggested |
| 15:18.17 | AntiProxy | something is seriously messed up in GPE Timezone settings |
| 15:18.35 | AntiProxy | it seems like GST is set as GMT/UTC+10 |
| 15:18.44 | mallum | AntiProxy: yeah I would have thought so. The keycodes for the various 'special' keys and there names are on the wiki somewhere |
| 15:18.45 | AntiProxy | where it's GMT/UTC+4 only ( i live there! ) |
| 15:20.47 | AntiProxy | http://www.handhelds.org:8080/wiki/Re-Map%20the%20Buttons |
| 15:20.53 | AntiProxy | thanks for the tip mallum |
| 15:21.56 | AntiProxy | brb.. gotta get something to eat |
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| 16:04.10 | AntiProxy | back |
| 16:05.42 | pb_ | wb :-) |
| 16:06.19 | AntiProxy | thanks .) |
| 16:07.03 | AntiProxy | i got plenty of free time today... gotta find something to do |
| 16:08.56 | florian | AntiProxy: writing a filemanager for gpe... and you'll become a great hero ;-) |
| 16:10.54 | AntiProxy | i guess that would take me a lifetime .) |
| 16:11.19 | AntiProxy | i was on sourceforge looking for a file manager i could use.. |
| 16:11.35 | AntiProxy | almost everything i found had two panels.. too big for a 240px wide display |
| 16:15.22 | AntiProxy | meanwhile i'm working on XChat2 trying to fit it on my iPAQ .) |
| 16:15.49 | mallum | AntiProxy: add gpe to oz buildroot ? |
| 16:15.55 | florian | oh, this will be lot of work too... |
| 16:16.07 | florian | yeah, that's a great idea! |
| 16:17.27 | mallum | AntiProxy: make a 'proper' gpe defualt theme |
| 16:17.44 | AntiProxy | that i could do.. |
| 16:17.56 | AntiProxy | i know nothing about OZ .. being an iPAQ user .) |
| 16:18.32 | mallum | AntiProxy: It works on ipaqs too |
| 16:18.46 | mallum | AntiProxy: and simpads and a load of other things |
| 16:18.55 | AntiProxy | i never tried it |
| 16:19.12 | AntiProxy | as i thought it was geared towards Zaurii only |
| 16:19.26 | mallum | not so much anymore |
| 16:21.46 | mallum | AntiProxy: autotool-ify GPE ! |
| 16:22.49 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 16:24.16 | AntiProxy | http://www.antiproxy.com/images/funny/EthernetKiller.jpg |
| 16:25.42 | moray | mallum: I think we established before, that if someone understood autotool thoroughly, could write autotools stuff that worked for everything, and agreed to maintain it, then we might use autotools... |
| 16:27.59 | mallum | moray: I understand it ok, if someone wants to learn , Id be happy to help out / advise |
| 16:32.28 | cworth | moray: autotool stuff isn't too bad, (though version skew of the tools themseleves can be painful --- if all developers are willing to synch to something consistent then that can help a lot). |
| 16:32.32 | AntiProxy | gaim is still not ported to gtk2? |
| 16:34.47 | moray | cworth: the few things that did have autotool stuff had the autotool bits fall behind due to no one knowing/caring enough, thus the desire for someone who actually cares/knows to take responsibility for it |
| 16:35.12 | moray | AntiProxy: yes it is |
| 16:37.07 | cworth | moray: Personally, I don't know much about autotools, and I don't want to, (rather focus on the code than the build environment). But I've found that using pkg-config does actually make less work for me. |
| 16:37.30 | florian | Do we have a place to document bugs in GPE2 V1.0? |
| 16:37.41 | moray | bugzilla? |
| 16:38.53 | florian | moray: yes, shure - but more for users... call it "release notes". |
| 16:39.16 | mallum | cworth: until you want to cross compile something and pkg-config becomes a bit of a pain ... |
| 16:39.30 | moray | ah, I see - I suppose the 0.7 page would do for now, if we don't have a 'release note' page yet |
| 16:39.51 | mallum | cworth: but I 'spose almost everything becomes a pain when you x-compile :/ |
| 16:40.19 | cworth | mallum: yeah, well, cross-compiling is always a pain. I've yet to see a build environment that makes that easy. |
| 16:40.22 | cworth | mallum: :) |
| 16:42.08 | moray | hm, has anyone tried running the ARM compiler under an emulator...? ;) |
| 16:45.53 | florian | eeks... |
| 16:51.11 | pb_ | AntiProxy: I thought there was at least a beta gtk2 gaim nowadays. |
| 16:51.38 | AntiProxy | i'm trying to build it |
| 16:51.44 | pb_ | florian: we should make an errata page on gpe.handhelds.org |
| 16:51.48 | moray | pb_: I think it's in Debian |
| 16:52.21 | moray | pb_: gosh, all these new responsibilities that come with doing a release ;) |
| 16:53.08 | pb_ | moray: quite. all a bit of a shock to the system really. |
| 16:54.19 | moray | hm, I have about half an essay in terms of word count, 90% of an essay in terms of subject matter, but only 2 pages actually written properly... |
| 16:54.55 | pb_ | cworth: yeah, pkg-config can be useful (not that we actually use it). I don't really count that as part of autotools though. |
| 16:56.55 | florian | pb_: yep, ok - i'll start to collect bugs. i think we should create a release page that links to ftp, release notes... |
| 16:57.06 | pb_ | florian: yes, good plan. |
| 17:03.49 | mallum | ewe, I just telneted into chipped xbox and got a c:\ prompt |
| 17:03.54 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:05.47 | mallum | well at least the dodgy guy that took it away and returned it chipped seems to have not ripped me off :/ |
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| 17:16.49 | florian | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentBugsInCVS |
| 17:17.03 | florian | I changed this to a small collection.... |
| 17:17.51 | pb_ | okay, great. |
| 17:18.30 | florian | to be continued :-) |
| 17:19.16 | florian | I'll ask nils to add an announcemnt to our website... |
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| 17:32.19 | florian | bbl |
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| 18:43.12 | nils_ | mallum: Hi! Back again? |
| 18:43.33 | nils_ | mallum: I had to change the matchbox package for the Fam0.7 release thing this weeken, hope you don't mind! |
| 18:52.00 | mallum | nils_: no problem, what did you change ? |
| 18:53.30 | mallum | nils_: the font size ? |
| 18:58.06 | nils_ | mallum: Oh yes, the thing that was mentioned in Jim's Familiar Release Notes. |
| 18:58.17 | nils_ | mallum: Nothing more... |
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| 19:26.01 | cmarqu | Argh. My graphics card is dying. |
| 19:27.06 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: :/ |
| 19:31.33 | cmarqu | Hmm, no non-binary Parhelia support... |
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| 19:32.20 | jblinux | hi pb_ |
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| 19:46.28 | florian | re |
| 19:47.31 | jblinux | hi florian |
| 19:49.02 | florian | jblinux: hi, does it work? :-) |
| 19:50.42 | jblinux | florian: yeah, kinda. Isn't stable sometimes tho, just for last few times testing, I always get this : eth0: Error -5 writing packet to BAP |
| 19:51.38 | jblinux | florian: I am thinking if it is possible to just do a full scan of all channels, not continously for(;;) |
| 19:52.04 | florian | jblinux: What kind of wireles lan hardware do you use? This sonds like a firmaware generated message... |
| 19:52.20 | jblinux | florian: it's a orinoco silver |
| 19:54.15 | jblinux | florian: is there any reason to use 40000 microseconds delay? |
| 19:55.19 | florian | jblinux: it could be that it gets confused sometimes when changing the channel. if you set the "singlechan" field to something 0<x<15 only this channel will be used for listening. |
| 19:56.37 | jblinux | florian: hmm...I thougth there is only 10 channels? |
| 19:57.42 | florian | jblinux: It's necessary to wait some time - it doesn't make sense to change the channel before a packet had the chance to become received completely. 40000 is a value proven to work - maybe changing this you get better results. |
| 19:58.38 | florian | jblinux: oh, we have 14 :-) this depends from area to area... in france there are only 4.... |
| 19:58.53 | jblinux | florian: I didn't need the scanning to be so active so I change it to 1000000. |
| 19:59.44 | jblinux | florian: the channel change you talked, it's in prismstumbler.c, update_config() right? |
| 19:59.57 | florian | jblinux: This should be ok - it will stress down your system but increase the time to find a particular station. |
| 20:01.02 | jblinux | florian: whoops, I meant psmain() |
| 20:01.58 | florian | jblinux: it's changed there, the intention is to change it in the config struct at your clieent and then send the config to your scanner. |
| 20:02.49 | florian | jblinux: yes, if you only want to use 10 channels, you should possibly change this... |
| 20:03.27 | florian | jblinux: btw.: if you fix something feel free to send me a diff :-) |
| 20:03.55 | jblinux | florian: sure, no problem :) I am trying to add some comments too :P not much for now tho. |
| 20:12.25 | jblinux | florian: why cfg has to be set twice in both prismstumbler and miniclient? |
| 20:16.38 | florian | jblinux: the cfg in client is to hold the current state and display/change it in a frontend. this struct is send to prismstumbler to configure it - this makes configuration handling very easy and fast. short: you don't need cfg in client, but it is easier to do runtime configuration in this way. |
| 20:18.06 | jblinux | florian: in other words, miniclient cfg's value is used, when it is running. |
| 20:19.05 | florian | jblinux: that's it - the values in prismstumbler are only defaults. |
| 20:23.24 | jblinux | florian: what does send_command() in miniclient do? |
| 20:25.09 | florian | jblinux: this sends the clients config to prismstumbler. it's quite stupid beecause it uses a global config var. |
| 20:27.07 | jblinux | florian: yeah, is it required? tho the values set in send_config will automatically be taken by prismstumbler... |
| 20:33.29 | florian | jblinux: eh, shure - because the two structs are initialized with the same values. but miniclient is intended to be changed to the local needs. |
| 20:35.20 | florian | jblinux: the next line is interesting - it sends prismstumbler the command to try a card autodetection... remove this if you want to be shure no config values you set in the client is changed. |
| 20:36.03 | AntiProxy | hmm |
| 20:36.42 | AntiProxy | are there any functions similar to gtk_widget_set_size_request that could set the minimum allowed for a widget? |
| 20:38.13 | jblinux | florian: ok. You mean that if senc_command() is used, the default values of cfg set in prismstumbler will be used (not the miniclient one anymore)? |
| 20:38.21 | PaxAnima | AntiProxy: a widget or window? |
| 20:38.38 | AntiProxy | PaxAnima: anything .) |
| 20:38.57 | AntiProxy | i'm trying to shrink X-Chat to fit in a 240x320 resolution.. going well so far |
| 20:39.11 | AntiProxy | but a couple the main window itself doesn't shrink beyond a certain width |
| 20:39.33 | AntiProxy | so i'm wondering if some widget in it is holding it from shrinking.. or maybe the window itself |
| 20:40.05 | PaxAnima | AntiProxy: you could try to use a gtkrc to shrink all the widgets... |
| 20:40.11 | PaxAnima | gtkrc file, that is |
| 20:40.34 | moray | AntiProxy: without wanting to be difficult, have you looked at e.g. gnomechat? since it's cleaner it might be more suited to shrinking - and it's still enough 'in development' you could probably get people to take patches easily |
| 20:40.35 | florian | AntiProxy: I think gtk_widget_set_size_request sets the minimum size... |
| 20:41.10 | moray | (although I don't know how much 'gnome' stuff it requires - I assume it's basically GTK but uses GNOME to get your setting etc.) |
| 20:41.12 | AntiProxy | i found one... the userlist now looks fine |
| 20:41.18 | moray | aha |
| 20:41.25 | jblinux | florian: the socket is created for communication between prismstumbler and miniclient right? I am not yet ablet to see how miniclient does to activate prismstumbler to do scanning. (ie. prismstumbler will not do anything until miniclient is run) |
| 20:41.29 | florian | AntiProxy: afaik it overrides any values given by the current rc |
| 20:41.46 | AntiProxy | florian: yup.. that's what i read on gtk API manual |
| 20:42.16 | AntiProxy | moray: i could probably look into that once i'm done with this one .) |
| 20:42.40 | AntiProxy | it's just that i started working on it yesterday.. and i've done plenty of stuff that i don't wanna trash |
| 20:42.45 | moray | sure |
| 20:42.58 | moray | last time I tried gnomechat a while ago it wasn't quite usable yet anyway |
| 20:43.23 | moray | (but the interface seemed much nicer than xchat's, which wouldn't be hard... - though I do use xchat for now myself) |
| 20:43.47 | AntiProxy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.30495.png |
| 20:43.48 | PaxAnima | AntiProxy: for additional space squeezing, have a look at the gtkrc that comes with psCalc2... |
| 20:44.39 | AntiProxy | PaxAnima: will do.. |
| 20:44.51 | florian | jblinux: correct, prismstumbler's mainloop is started after a client connects. only one client is allowed... |
| 20:44.57 | AntiProxy | PaxAnima: would that override sizes specified by gtk_widget_set_size_request ? |
| 20:45.15 | PaxAnima | AntiProxy: hm.. not really, but it's possible to remove a lot of padding and such from the widgets... |
| 20:45.17 | florian | jblinux: the socket code is in main.c and main-fe.c |
| 20:45.34 | AntiProxy | that could be usefull.. |
| 20:45.42 | AntiProxy | brb.. |
| 20:47.16 | PaxAnima | AntiProxy: all the gory details about widget padding etc. are in docs/widget_geometry.txt in the gtk source tarball |
| 20:48.33 | florian | What dio i need to do to update the gpe screenshots page? |
| 20:51.52 | moray | florian: change it in CVS, then log into handhelds.org and run /home/gpe/website-update.sh |
| 20:53.36 | florian | moray: ok, thanks |
| 20:59.48 | jblinux | florian: I see....one socket send from the client to main.c actually makes prismstumbler to scan all channels at once...and main.c 's for loops make the scanning continously. So if I just want to one scan, can I just break that loop in main.c? |
| 21:01.37 | florian | hmmm... in theory yes, but i think ther is a call to close the connection missing. but this should be easy to fix... |
| 21:05.40 | jblinux | florian: also have to make the client to exit once socket closed is detected and finished reading the packets? |
| 21:08.30 | florian | jblinux: this would be a clean solution, another way would be to stop scanning by changing the according config and leave the client alive. |
| 21:19.02 | jblinux | florian: that might be easier...but by changing the according config, what do you mean by that? |
| 21:21.21 | jblinux | florian: that's not good, I am still getting eth0: Error -5 writing packet to BAP...not sure what could cause that. |
| 21:22.46 | florian | jblinux: yes, i might work - i added this feature but i think i never used it - tell me if it doesn't work |
| 21:23.28 | florian | jblinux: something tries to send a packet - du you have a dhcp running? |
| 21:23.35 | florian | s/du/do |
| 21:24.21 | jblinux | florian: yup :P it runs automatically. |
| 21:25.26 | florian | jblinux: there are two config files to enable it: /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/pcmcia/network.opts |
| 21:26.12 | jblinux | florian: yup ok, it seems to be fixed now after I shutdown dhcpcd |
| 21:26.38 | florian | :-) |
| 21:27.31 | jblinux | florian: there are alot of packets needed to be sent before it gets back a packet from AP? |
| 21:29.10 | florian | florian: this depends from scanning speed and distance...if it receives a packet you should get report ruring the next second |
| 21:37.30 | jblinux | florian: interesting you set it, for each channel scanning, 10 times of getPacket() are done....is it that unreliable? |
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| 21:40.57 | florian | hmm...strange - ususlly not, but if you are too fast you miss the beacon package on the single channel it is send |
| 21:43.03 | jblinux | florian: ok, you saying, the getPacket() loop will break as soon as a packet has been received for that channel. |
| 21:44.01 | florian | jblinux: oh, careful - it just looks for a packet, it doesn't wait for one to come |
| 21:47.17 | jblinux | florian: yup. Hmm...the scanning now seems to be very insufficient, around 10 rounds of a full scan, I only get like 3 reported back to miniclient. |
| 21:48.10 | florian | jblinux: interesting... try to change delay.... |
| 21:51.14 | jblinux | florian: ok....btw florian, sometime the device (eth0) would just report left promiscuous mode. what could cause it happen? |
| 21:52.05 | florian | jblinux: while prismstumbler is scanning? |
| 21:52.57 | jblinux | jblinux: right after prismstumbler is terminated (Ctrl-C) |
| 21:53.30 | florian | jblinux: this is ok - prismstumbler sets it to managed mode before exiting |
| 21:57.23 | jblinux | florian: ok...then why it's still getting eth0: Undersized frame received (8 bytes) messages? |
| 22:00.02 | florian | jblinux: i think an effect you get while switching channel during receive |
| 22:01.29 | jblinux | florian: yup think so..that means monitor mode isn't turned off after prismstumbler is terminated... |
| 22:02.39 | florian | yes, or you get this when switching it off |
| 22:02.59 | jblinux | florian: continuously? |
| 22:05.00 | florian | jblinux: no... then this is possibly a bug.... maybe in the driver or in prismstumbler. |
| 22:05.33 | jblinux | florian: should be the driver I think. |
| 22:06.07 | jblinux | florian: I think I used to use iwpriv to toggle the monitor mode...and had the same thing |
| 22:06.18 | jblinux | florian: I think... |
| 22:07.37 | florian | ok, then it's most likely a driver problem |
| 22:07.44 | jblinux | florian: I think there should be a check to do ifconfig cfg.device up, before start scanning? |
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| 22:08.03 | florian | jblinux: right - it's in my todo :-) |
| 22:08.25 | jblinux | florian: ok :) |
| 22:10.14 | jblinux | florian: yup, delay time 40000 seems to be ideal :) |
| 22:11.47 | florian | cool, then i got the right value testing :-) |
| 22:12.27 | AntiProxy | *yawn*.. back |
| 22:13.04 | AntiProxy | i spent sometime fixing the banlist/ignores/notifies tabs and other small things.. |
| 22:13.20 | AntiProxy | still couldn't figure out what's causing the window to grow beyond the screen edge .\ |
| 22:13.39 | jblinux | florian: gotta go for now. Thanks alot florian. |
| 22:13.55 | florian | jblinux: ok, night... |
| 22:14.00 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 22:14.06 | florian | heh? |
| 22:14.12 | florian | stupid completion.... |
| 22:14.14 | AntiProxy | things look great in landscape though http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25184.png ( i still need to look into some of the widget paddings ) |
| 22:15.35 | florian | AntiProxy: hey, looks qiuite usable! |
| 22:15.45 | florian | we rule scap! |
| 22:15.52 | AntiProxy | hehe |
| 22:16.12 | AntiProxy | florian: once the tabs at the bottom are made smaller, or removed completely.. it'd be pretty usable |
| 22:16.29 | AntiProxy | then a toggle button to hide/show the userlist,, and the main gui is amost complete |
| 22:17.17 | florian | AntiProxy: what's the size of the binary? |
| 22:18.04 | AntiProxy | florian: it's rather huge as i compiled it with all possible features and didn't strip it |
| 22:18.08 | AntiProxy | 2.9 megs now |
| 22:18.09 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 22:18.37 | AntiProxy | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root lm 357032 Jun 4 02:17 xchat |
| 22:18.39 | AntiProxy | stripped now |
| 22:18.41 | AntiProxy | damn |
| 22:18.44 | AntiProxy | down to 10% .) |
| 22:18.47 | AntiProxy | lemme see if it still works |
| 22:18.48 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 22:19.02 | AntiProxy | i like this |
| 22:19.10 | AntiProxy | 357KBs isn't so bad for such a client |
| 22:19.12 | AntiProxy | or is it? |
| 22:20.36 | florian | much better :-) |
| 22:22.38 | florian | ok, i'll go to sleep a while... |
| 22:22.53 | AntiProxy | night night |
| 22:44.12 | mallum | cmarqu: what was that mailing list to news gateway you mentioned a while back ? |
| 22:45.16 | pb_ | moray: by the way, I stumbled across the magic key combination to re-dock an xchat window that had become accidentally detached. in case you hadn't figured it out already, it seems that ^I is the magic rune (with ^O being the opposite). |
| 22:46.37 | moray | pb_: ah right, I'd still been using the menu to do that, but had at least once managed to acccidentally reattach it with a key as well as detaching it... (without knowing what key did either) |
| 22:46.57 | pigeon | Hmm... it's still devfs in fam 0.7 right? |
| 22:47.09 | moray | pb_: actually, here it seems to just be a toggle on control-i now I test |
| 22:47.27 | pb_ | ah, yeah, you're right. |
| 22:47.42 | pb_ | maybe ^O was for some other version of xchat. I have an older one at the office, I think. |
| 22:47.47 | moray | quite possible. |
| 23:26.46 | mallum | hey hh.org is second only to gnome on commits :-) http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/cia_stats.cgi |
| 23:33.43 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:33.56 | pb_ | you should tell that to nontoxic :-) |
