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| 09:48.42 | PaxAnima | morning |
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| 10:14.39 | cmarqu_werk | Hi florian |
| 10:15.11 | cmarqu_werk | florian: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7843.png looks nice, but the button order is wrong :) |
| 10:28.36 | florian | cmarqu_werk: hi... yes... i think i changed this... at least i hope so |
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| 12:12.56 | florian | bbl |
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| 15:14.02 | Ng | hey folks |
| 15:14.16 | Ng | is there some documentation for gpe's sql schemas anywhere? stuff like the calendar and contacts and things |
| 15:14.27 | Ng | I had a quick look around and ended up browsing the source for queries ;) |
| 15:14.53 | Ng | vaguely looking at how hard a multisync plugin would be to write |
| 15:18.36 | mallum | Ng: that would rock :-) |
| 15:21.25 | Ng | mallum: yeah, but it might be too hard for me ;) |
| 15:21.50 | mallum | Ng: I think paxanima looked into doing that before |
| 15:22.05 | mallum | Ng: and pb and florian would be the people to hassle re schema;s |
| 15:22.13 | Ng | right |
| 15:22.14 | mallum | Ng: Im sure it wouldn't be too hard |
| 15:22.29 | mallum | Ng: and if you did it, you would gain GOD like status |
| 15:22.29 | Ng | I guess it would mostly depend on whether or not the gpe apps store things like modification dates |
| 15:23.00 | mallum | PaxAnima: phwak ! |
| 15:23.02 | Ng | if they do then I can't imagine it would be more than porting multisync (not going to be hard) and writing a little module to query sqlite |
| 15:23.11 | mallum | Ng: you watch 24 btw ? |
| 15:23.13 | Ng | of course someone will now tell me an important fact that jiggers my entire plan ;) |
| 15:23.23 | Ng | mallum: I certainly do, got the last ep queued up to watch at home tonight :) |
| 15:23.31 | mallum | Ng: bittorrent ? |
| 15:23.34 | Ng | yup |
| 15:23.37 | Ng | :) |
| 15:23.45 | mallum | Ng: bittorrent rules :-) |
| 15:23.54 | Ng | yes, oh so very much yes ;) |
| 15:24.09 | mallum | Ng: Im up to episode 17, but the tv torrents site has gone donw so I cant get thenext episode :\ |
| 15:24.32 | mallum | Ng: what sort of d/l speeds you get from it on a 24 episode btw ? |
| 15:24.34 | Ng | mallum: some of the sites got /. links (torrentse.cx specifically) and are totally hosed ;) |
| 15:24.52 | mallum | yeah :( |
| 15:25.02 | Ng | the last ep I grabbed earlier was doing about 25k/sec up and down. there is always more up and down, but 25 is what I limit it to ;) |
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| 15:26.59 | Ng | mallum: if you can (and don't mind) ratelimit a leeching tool of some kind I can put 18-24 into a web server on my box at home? |
| 15:27.22 | Ng | the line can only do about 28k/sec upload at most and I would like a few k for ssh's ;) |
| 15:27.23 | mallum | Ng: yeah I get approx 25/sec too |
| 15:29.00 | mallum | Ng: oh dont worry Im sure I'll get it via bt sooner or later |
| 15:29.06 | mallum | Ng: but many thanks for the kind offer |
| 15:29.39 | Ng | np |
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| 15:32.37 | mallum | Ng: oh but if you see a bt sight with slightly older torrents for 24 , please give me a nudge :-) |
| 15:33.00 | Ng | mallum: well, the site I use to find BT sites is http://www.bittorrentsites.co.nr/ :) |
| 15:33.30 | Ng | hmm |
| 15:33.46 | Ng | I think I might have a few eps sitting on a colo box, that would give you much better speed and not affect me in any way |
| 15:34.29 | mallum | Ng: aha :-) |
| 15:34.54 | Ng | looks like I have 19, 20, 22 and 23 there |
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| 15:35.44 | mallum | Ng: aha, its 17 I need |
| 15:38.01 | Ng | mallum: nuts, I don't have that anywhere fast |
| 15:44.50 | PaxAnima | mallum: hmm? |
| 15:46.28 | mallum | PaxAnima: Ng was asking about multisync, see hostory |
| 15:47.10 | PaxAnima | looked at the hostory after asking... what's needed is support for ical/vcard |
| 15:47.55 | Ng | oh |
| 15:47.59 | Ng | aren't contacts stored in sqlite? |
| 15:48.23 | PaxAnima | Ng: multisync uses vcard and icals for sending data between the plugins |
| 15:48.34 | Ng | ahhh |
| 15:48.59 | PaxAnima | opie has a plugin under testing, and the documentaion on multisync is coming along... |
| 15:49.20 | Ng | I needed to write vcard stuff before....I never quite got round to it after reading the spec for them ;) |
| 15:50.11 | PaxAnima | there is a vcard thing in gpe using libmimedir, IIRC |
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| 15:50.56 | PaxAnima | but you won't get nowhere without knowing about the DB schemas |
| 15:51.37 | Ng | presumably gpe will need some kind of vcard support somewhere, if only for doing simple things like beaming contacts |
| 15:52.20 | PaxAnima | yu |
| 15:52.21 | PaxAnima | p |
| 15:54.33 | Ng | does gpe keep modification timestamps at least? that seems to be how multisync figures out what's what |
| 15:56.36 | PaxAnima | multisync doesn't know anything about such things... it asks the plugin for new, modified and deleted events... so it's up the the plugin, or the app the plugin is for, to keep track of those things |
| 15:57.21 | Ng | right, so it would require some modification of gpe too |
| 15:57.32 | PaxAnima | yes |
| 15:58.22 | Ng | but probably not too much |
| 15:58.27 | Ng | can you ALTER TABLE in sqlite? ;) |
| 15:58.41 | PaxAnima | don't think so... but it's been a while since I last used it |
| 15:59.39 | Ng | I did use it a few years ago, but it was too simple for what I needed so I stopped |
| 16:00.18 | PaxAnima | don't really need to alter any tables... creating a sync table, with the id, sync state and object type should do it.. |
| 16:01.07 | Ng | true |
| 16:01.31 | Ng | I was thinking about a bit field on each contact/event that is set by gpe when it adds/changes it and unset when multisync is done with it |
| 16:01.51 | Ng | depends how much info you need to give multisync I guess |
| 16:01.56 | PaxAnima | I had sync stuff in my now-dead pim once... didn't test it too much, though, but it worked |
| 16:02.30 | PaxAnima | IIRC, the mulisync plugin has callbacks used by multisync to fetch the objects... |
| 16:02.37 | Ng | the nearest I've done was a pop3 extension that synced mail across multiple sites, but that was nowhere near as complex as vcards and icals and stuff |
| 16:02.46 | Ng | yeah, it does seem to be callback based |
| 16:03.27 | PaxAnima | once gpe has vcal/ical functionality, creating a multisync plugin shouldn't be too much work |
| 16:03.35 | Ng | maybe I'll wait a bit then ;) |
| 16:03.44 | Ng | but anyway, gone 5pm, time to go home :) |
| 16:03.54 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 16:04.08 | Ng | thanks for the help with that, saved me a lot of head scratching and code boggling ;) |
| 16:04.38 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 16:05.04 | PaxAnima | just ask, if there is anything... I'm on the multisync and multisyn-devel list, so I guess I can help out, if you plan do to a plugin... |
| 16:24.00 | mallum | arg I have the most god awful wierd bug |
| 16:24.44 | PaxAnima | oh? |
| 16:25.15 | PaxAnima | tried a mac yesterday.. it has the weirdest keyboardlayout... |
| 16:25.27 | PaxAnima | (off topic, but you are all mac freaks here anyway;) |
| 16:25.31 | mallum | how the hell can malloc return the same address for the same data thats never freed |
| 16:26.41 | mallum | I have a dynamic library which is loaded and it has a whatever_init() call, which is called once its loaded |
| 16:26.56 | mallum | the init() func mallocs some memory |
| 16:27.21 | mallum | but in subsequent calls, the malloc returns the same address as to what it did before !!! |
| 16:27.45 | PaxAnima | weird.. is the code online? |
| 16:28.55 | mallum | no not yet |
| 16:29.26 | PaxAnima | ok.. |
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| 16:40.32 | mallum | if I make a copy of the library and give it a different name, then of course it works :\ |
| 16:51.25 | mallum | PaxAnima: can you think of any program that uses multiple instances of the same dynamic library ? ! :/ |
| 16:52.21 | PaxAnima | hm... no.. why should it? |
| 16:55.55 | mallum | no dunno |
| 16:56.02 | mallum | totally stuck :/ |
| 16:58.37 | PaxAnima | hmm... could you put the code on the web? |
| 17:05.24 | stargirl | mallum: my ibook has arrived, and is now dual booting debian and os x!!! :-) |
| 17:06.30 | PaxAnima | stargirl: how do you handle the keyboardlayout? (or the placement of @, \ etc., rather) |
| 17:07.11 | PaxAnima | stargirl: tried a imac yesterday, and the keyboard was the most annoying thing I noticed... |
| 17:07.53 | PaxAnima | (or maybe the UK layout is like that) |
| 17:08.37 | stargirl | well the keyboard set up is currently what is printed on the keyboard (@ on the 2 key etc.) but I need to really sort that out |
| 17:09.15 | PaxAnima | ok.. maybe it's the imac that has the weird layout... |
| 17:09.29 | stargirl | haven't really looked at the imacs much |
| 17:09.42 | stargirl | other than from a distance to go "ooooh sexy" ;-) |
| 17:09.48 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 17:10.00 | PaxAnima | mac os X was a pleasent experience, most of the time... |
| 17:10.25 | stargirl | am v. impressed with the ibook so far and yeah, osx looks good -- fink makes a big difference to its usability imho |
| 17:10.39 | PaxAnima | fink? |
| 17:11.04 | stargirl | fink.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:11.17 | stargirl | it's a package manager for darwin that's based on apt-get and dpkg |
| 17:11.19 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 17:11.19 | stargirl | it's soooooooo cool |
| 17:11.55 | PaxAnima | if I get the PhD thing I'm applying for, I'm thinking of maybe getting a powerbook.... |
| 17:12.10 | stargirl | yeah the powerbook's are nice but expensive |
| 17:12.24 | stargirl | where's the PhD thing based? UK or elsewhere? |
| 17:12.35 | PaxAnima | here in norway... |
| 17:12.49 | stargirl | ahh |
| 17:13.04 | stargirl | maybe they pay PhD students more in norway than they do in the UK ;-) |
| 17:13.15 | stargirl | as a UK PhD student I could only afford the ibook not the powerbook :-) |
| 17:13.57 | PaxAnima | weeeeel.. I think the phd grant is about 275 000 kroner... |
| 17:14.05 | PaxAnima | ~change 275000 NOK to UKP |
| 17:14.23 | PaxAnima | hm.. wha'ts the currency for the UK? |
| 17:14.28 | mallum | sterling |
| 17:14.30 | mallum | I think |
| 17:14.30 | PaxAnima | the code, rather |
| 17:14.37 | PaxAnima | ~change 275000 NOK to sterlling |
| 17:14.38 | stargirl | GBP? |
| 17:14.49 | PaxAnima | ~change 275000 NOK to GBP |
| 17:14.59 | stargirl | fucking hell |
| 17:15.01 | stargirl | is that per year? |
| 17:15.20 | PaxAnima | I think so.. but it also relfects the living expenses... |
| 17:15.26 | stargirl | I get 8000 per year |
| 17:15.43 | PaxAnima | I think norway is the second most expensive country to live in... after japan, I think |
| 17:15.53 | stargirl | which is normal for UK PhD students |
| 17:15.53 | stargirl | ah okay |
| 17:15.55 | stargirl | well that's understandable then |
| 17:16.20 | stargirl | I can't remember where the UK is on the list of living expenses |
| 17:16.28 | stargirl | but it's not all that high I think |
| 17:16.49 | stargirl | hmm, I need to think of a cool hostname for my ibook |
| 17:16.54 | PaxAnima | heh.. |
| 17:17.00 | stargirl | I was wondering about silverfish, but I'm not entirely sure about that |
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| 17:18.15 | florian | re |
| 17:18.18 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 17:18.28 | florian | hi PaxAnima |
| 17:18.53 | PaxAnima | hmm.. why am I chatting on IRC, when I should be doing work on my Master thesis? |
| 17:20.39 | stargirl | gosh that sounds very familiar ;-) |
| 17:20.51 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 17:20.55 | florian | well.. you possibly learn more chatting? ;-) |
| 17:22.02 | PaxAnima | well, I get to write english instead of C (all though I should be writing on my report rather than coding at the moment) |
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| 17:43.49 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 17:53.50 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 19:19.42 | florian | pb_: hi, are you able to extend my rights at handhelds cvs? |
| 19:20.04 | pb_ | florian: best to ask admin@handhelds.org about that. |
| 19:21.58 | florian | pb_: ok, then i'll do that :-) |
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| 19:55.54 | jg | pb, mallum: happen to be here? |
| 20:22.42 | mallum | jg: yep |
| 20:58.27 | mallum | ~convert 156.80 EUR to GBP |
| 20:58.36 | mallum | ~convert 156.80 EURO to GBP |
| 20:58.47 | stargirl | does it know about euros? |
| 20:58.47 | mallum | ~convert 156.80 EU to GBP |
| 20:59.05 | mallum | ~convert 156.80 euros to GBP |
| 20:59.13 | mallum | stargirl: appears not :( |
| 20:59.18 | stargirl | aww :-( |
| 20:59.22 | pb_ | ibot, change 156 eur to gbp |
| 20:59.40 | stargirl | well that worked -- I guess it likes pb_ :-) |
| 20:59.54 | pb_ | ibot: thanks |
| 20:59.54 | | my pleasure, pb_ |
| 21:00.29 | stargirl | awww it really likes you :-) |
| 21:00.39 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:01.20 | mallum | ~himself |
| 21:01.27 | mallum | ~lart himself |
| 21:01.35 | mallum | ibot: thank you |
| 21:01.35 | | mallum: no problem |
| 21:01.44 | stargirl | hehe :-) |
| 21:29.12 | nelson | Hey! |
| 21:29.18 | nelson | I got this cool idea, see? |
| 21:29.48 | pb_ | nelson: excellent. will you share it with us? |
| 21:29.55 | nelson | If somebody inserts a CF or MMC, you look at the files on it. If every one of them is a .jpg or .jpeg, then you launch the image viewer. |
| 21:30.11 | nelson | If they're all .mp3, launch madplay |
| 21:30.30 | nelson | If they're all .ogg, then, um, you launch, um, ahhh, er, something. |
| 21:30.45 | pb_ | Sounds like a good idea. |
| 21:31.00 | moray | hi nelson - thanks for the reminder message the other day, sorry I haven't replied: the answer is yes, I ought to get round to that, though I possibly also ought to change gpe-soundbite to use Speex in preference to (probably patent-encumbered) GSM as well |
| 21:40.38 | nelson | moray: I'd be fine with that. I mostly want to be able to convert the files into something people can click on and listen to. |
| 21:41.03 | nelson | moray: this is for http://russnelson.com/clifton/ |
| 21:41.42 | nelson | moray: I go out on a jaunt with pygps and digital camera. when I take a picture, it's georeferenced and I create an audio note to put the picture in context. |
| 21:42.02 | nelson | moray: I'd like to be able to serve up the audio note as well as my transcription of it. |
| 21:42.30 | moray | nelson: ah right, yes. well, there's now only one essay between me and (in theory) a summer of coding etc. |
| 21:46.23 | nelson | moray: hehe. |
| 21:46.32 | nelson | moray: write on, write on! |
| 21:49.18 | mallum | anyone remember the name of the command which removes suffixs from filenames ? |
| 21:49.39 | pb_ | basename? |
| 21:51.18 | mallum | thats the ones :-) thanks, always forget it |
| 21:54.32 | nelson | mallum: we'll remind you of it from time to time. |
| 21:57.30 | mallum | nelson: thanks |
| 21:57.42 | mallum | nelson: only need it when Im batchconverting images mainly |
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| 23:18.29 | cj | Are there any handheld emulators that I can use to do development? |
| 23:51.13 | pb_ | haven't heard of any. for GPE you don't really need an emulator; you can just use Xnest. |
| 23:54.05 | cj | xnest.com? |
| 23:54.26 | cj | nope! |
| 23:55.56 | cj | pb_: can you supply an XFree86Config file for the xnest? |
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