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| 01:18.24 | gantrix | anyone here? |
| 01:20.53 | flypiper | nope |
| 01:22.00 | gantrix | I have a question |
| 01:22.18 | gantrix | how long should it take to load the rootfs bootopie-v061-03.jffs2? |
| 01:22.23 | gantrix | it's about 10M |
| 01:22.48 | flypiper | wtf.. asking an opEE question on #gpe...doh |
| 01:22.57 | moray | over serial, quite a while - but your programme should be giving you feedback? |
| 01:23.23 | gantrix | well I don't understand the feedback |
| 01:23.34 | moray | does it show numbers increasing? if so, that's a good sign |
| 01:23.40 | gantrix | Retry 0: NAK on sector blah blah |
| 01:23.49 | gantrix | it shows numbers increasing |
| 01:24.01 | gantrix | I guess it is working |
| 01:24.09 | moray | well, you'll find out I guess ;) |
| 01:24.11 | gantrix | but it isn't what I expected based on the install instructions |
| 01:24.30 | gantrix | isn't NAK a non acknowledgement? |
| 01:24.34 | moray | I'm less sure that the errors are a good sign, so if you prefer you could, I suppose, stop it and try again |
| 01:24.56 | moray | gantrix: yes, the question is whether it's subsequently succeeding in sending or not |
| 01:26.38 | gantrix | Xmodem sectors/kbytes sent: 50800/6350kRetry 0: NAK on sector |
| 01:26.44 | gantrix | this iw what the errors look like |
| 01:27.08 | gantrix | but the number are increasing |
| 01:27.15 | moray | sounds like it might only have sent 50 KB though? |
| 01:27.34 | gantrix | so I assume it gets the the NAK and retries |
| 01:28.09 | gantrix | or does this mean it has sent 6.3M of worthless crap? |
| 01:29.39 | moray | oh, I was absent-mindedly assuming that meant that was 6.3 MB to send in total, but you said it was 10 ? |
| 01:30.51 | flypiper | gantrix: you sending using minicom?? I will be OK.. but NAK's every so often |
| 01:32.13 | gantrix | yep minicom |
| 01:32.24 | gantrix | it NAKs a lot |
| 01:32.33 | gantrix | and it has been over a half hour so far |
| 01:32.49 | gantrix | I'll wait until it gets to 10000k before I am really worried |
| 01:34.39 | moray | maybe it means 50800 packets (or whatever); I haven't flashed over serial for a while |
| 01:35.27 | flypiper | gantrix: 10M will take about 40 min or so |
| 01:49.50 | gantrix | seems like it has been more than 40 min |
| 01:50.05 | gantrix | when will be be able to boot from sec digital cards? |
| 01:51.41 | moray | SD cards use "Digital Rights Management" meaning that you can't have a free software driver for them |
| 01:53.19 | gantrix | I don't know much about DRM |
| 01:54.57 | moray | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/h3800.html has a little paragraph about the SD situation - you *can* use MMC cards in the slot |
| 01:58.04 | gantrix | Ooo, now I get Erasing sector messages |
| 02:00.33 | gantrix | Now I get addr messages |
| 02:00.49 | gantrix | verifying ... |
| 02:00.50 | gantrix | formatting ... done. |
| 02:00.50 | gantrix | boot> RXSTAT error: 00000020 |
| 02:00.57 | moray | flypiper: hm, have you seen the excitement on #hh.org, nontoxic and lenonod are trying to persuade people to move onto their own IRC server... |
| 02:00.59 | gantrix | what does the RXSTAT error mean? |
| 02:01.45 | moray | http://handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2002-December/016435.html |
| 02:01.55 | moray | (from Google, I don't know personally) |
| 02:02.53 | gantrix | does that mean I can't boot it? |
| 02:03.02 | gantrix | dude, this is my first time. |
| 02:03.09 | gantrix | I don't want to end up with a $250 brick |
| 02:03.19 | moray | gantrix: ah right, I hadn't guessed the 'first time' bit ;) |
| 02:03.23 | moray | you did 'load root', right? |
| 02:03.37 | moray | it's only the 'load bootldr' that is dangerous, which you should have done before this? |
| 02:03.59 | moray | (or, possibly, you did the 'load bootldr' equivalent from within Microsoft stuff) |
| 02:04.02 | gantrix | yes |
| 02:04.17 | moray | 'load root' will overwrite the main OS, but doesn't affect the bootloader |
| 02:04.27 | moray | so whatever you do wrong you can't 'brick' the ipaq that way |
| 02:04.52 | gantrix | so I'll at least be able to get back to the bootldr eh? |
| 02:04.54 | moray | therefore you can try rebooting and if it doesn't work you'll have to reflash |
| 02:04.54 | moray | yes |
| 02:05.07 | gantrix | here goes nuthin' |
| 02:06.01 | gantrix | looks like it is doing stuff |
| 02:06.07 | gantrix | it's generating dsa keys |
| 02:06.24 | moray | well, it's certainly running Linux then :) |
| 02:07.34 | gantrix | so I guess I can take it out of the cradle now |
| 02:07.44 | gantrix | I get the green penguin screen |
| 02:07.55 | flypiper | OPEEEEE agggggggg |
| 02:08.42 | gantrix | gpe is more than I need |
| 02:08.55 | gantrix | but I'll probably buy another ipaq to experment with gpe |
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| 06:53.54 | florian | moin! |
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| 07:15.48 | florian | hello cmarqu_werk |
| 07:17.02 | florian | looks like german translation of gpe-conf is finished :-) |
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| 08:00.22 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Well, I need to adapt it to the current CVS version. And no doubt some strings won't fit on the screen. |
| 08:22.21 | florian | cmarqu_werk: yes, ok - i'll test it later :-) |
| 08:30.36 | cmarqu_werk | Too bad I don't have the flash space to test it myself. xnest is not really accurate enough for that. |
| 08:41.39 | florian | oh, is the german environment that large? |
| 08:55.29 | cmarqu_werk | Yeah, it pulls all the gtk etc. translations too with that virtual package |
| 09:06.36 | florian | ok, then i'll try it on my 3870 |
| 09:18.23 | florian | bbl |
| 09:30.31 | mstr | how do I start a program to run on a given display? |
| 09:42.53 | PaxAnima | mstr: mstr app --display host:display_nr, e.g. psCalc --display itchy:0 |
| 09:43.12 | mstr | so if I run "Xnest 1:" ... ? |
| 09:43.23 | PaxAnima | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.38 | mstr | when I start matchbox ... Xlib: extension "RENDER" missing on display ":1.0". |
| 09:53.34 | PaxAnima | not all X extentions are availiable in a nested X server |
| 09:54.28 | mstr | ok, I have something running now. thanks :) |
| 09:54.41 | PaxAnima | no problem |
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| 10:22.17 | florian | re |
| 10:42.29 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 10:43.47 | florian | PaxAnima: nice to see you - i have some problems with psCalc |
| 10:43.57 | PaxAnima | me too.... |
| 10:44.14 | PaxAnima | florian: what's the problem? |
| 10:44.47 | florian | PaxAnima: HEX -> BIN conversion seems not to work... |
| 10:46.26 | PaxAnima | the convertionhandling is a bit bad... |
| 10:46.42 | PaxAnima | florian: how can I reproduce it? |
| 10:52.18 | PaxAnima | florian: there is another bug as well: when copying and pasting the tags remain, i.e. readonly if you copy from previous calculations... I also plan to add a ring buffer of the previous expression, using arrow up/down for cycling |
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| 10:53.10 | PaxAnima | hey, mallum |
| 10:53.38 | florian | PaxAnima: Switch to hex mode, enter bb and try to change to next mode... |
| 10:53.44 | florian | hi mallum |
| 10:54.59 | mallum | hey dudeo's |
| 10:56.14 | PaxAnima | florian: ah.. |
| 10:57.49 | PaxAnima | florian: that's an easy fix... *fixing* |
| 11:00.20 | florian | PaxAnima: great :-) |
| 11:01.07 | PaxAnima | florian: the rason for the error is that bb is evaluated as binary number |
| 11:01.58 | florian | PaxAnima: ah ok - then this really should be easy to fix :-) |
| 11:03.26 | PaxAnima | but what should be correct behaviour when just typing bb, then change mode, without pressing = inbetween? |
| 11:07.27 | florian | i think just displaying the value in the according mode - this is sometime really useful |
| 11:07.52 | PaxAnima | yup |
| 11:13.50 | PaxAnima | florian: fixed it... once I get tired of reading papers for diploma report, I'll do some more fixes to pscalc, and maybe release a new version later today |
| 11:21.03 | florian | hey cool.... that reminds me to my studies :-/ |
| 11:22.17 | mallum | florian: what do you study ? |
| 11:29.01 | florian | mallum: I'd translate it to "Technical Informatics" - a mix of computer science and electrical engeneering. |
| 11:35.33 | mallum | florian: ah cool |
| 11:42.00 | florian | mallum: yes, it really is - but i should spend more time with preparations for the next exam... |
| 12:05.51 | cmarqu_werk | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7906.png looks really nice |
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| 12:11.10 | florian | cmarqu_werk: i this needs some optical tuning... but speed recognition and ad-hoc detection now works :-) |
| 12:20.49 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Cool. As for optical tuning... I would make everything that is undetermined italic. Same for gpe-conf PC/CF ("<i>no driver assigned</i>"). |
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| 13:39.52 | florian | cmarqu_werk: yep, ok |
| 13:51.41 | mstr | any ideas about the state of gpe-mail? |
| 13:51.56 | mstr | I couldn't get it work with pop at all. |
| 13:52.16 | mstr | and when I enter the password, it shows as letters instead of **** |
| 13:57.47 | florian | hm yes - it is not really finished and i'm not shure who is working on that |
| 14:50.32 | mstr | what should gpe-confd do? |
| 14:55.39 | florian | storing and broadcasting configuration data (e.g. font and theme settings) |
| 14:57.21 | mstr | it's ok, if I just start it in my startscript? |
| 15:04.16 | florian | yes, i think so - afaik i did te same on the zaurus.... |
| 15:17.02 | florian | cmarqu_werk: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32001.png |
| 15:21.02 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Great. I'd say "MAC: " in front of the MAC (you might confuse it with an IPv6 address :), and the upper box in the GtkDialog needs a border or something like that, but the functionality is just cool. |
| 15:22.08 | cmarqu_werk | Ah, and isn't it s/Type/Mode/ usually? |
| 15:31.23 | florian | cmarqu_werk: yes, this was the word i was searching for :-) |
| 15:32.08 | florian | the speed detection of the 54mbit accespoint with an ordinary 11mbit card is cool :-) |
| 15:34.49 | florian | cmarqu_werk: this "MAC" is not really the MAC address - it's the bssid of the net.... |
| 15:35.06 | cmarqu_werk | Ah, so say BSSID :) |
| 15:35.47 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 16:24.21 | mallum | cmarqu: I havn't released the widget toolkit yet |
| 16:25.38 | cmarqu | "yet" ;) |
| 16:27.27 | florian | mallum: yeah, cool! |
| 16:30.08 | mallum | I've thought about it but it'd be alot of work :( |
| 16:30.56 | mallum | prolly more optimal to spend the time making gtk2 more suitable for handhelds |
| 16:32.44 | PaxAnima | mallum: suitable as in speed or size? |
| 16:33.07 | florian | bbl |
| 16:33.50 | PaxAnima | mallum: and "size" being memory and on-screen-size |
| 16:36.03 | mallum | size as in filesystem usage, memory and screen size |
| 16:36.05 | mallum | and speed |
| 16:36.53 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 16:38.32 | PaxAnima | maybe some other toolkit woudl be more ideal for a handheld |
| 16:39.08 | mallum | well gtk2 is really cool, but I sometimes worry about it being too much for a handheld |
| 16:39.19 | mallum | I guess in a couple of years that'll become irrelevant though |
| 16:40.13 | mallum | when we have 1ghz PDA's with half a gig of RAM, 640x480 accelerated displays and masses of storage |
| 16:40.20 | PaxAnima | yup ;) |
| 16:41.30 | PaxAnima | gtk2 is just to huge and complex at times... |
| 16:43.46 | PaxAnima | tried picogui? |
| 16:44.25 | mallum | yeah, but thats non-x |
| 16:44.38 | mallum | and its api seems to always be in flux |
| 16:45.03 | PaxAnima | any X based GUIs that are small and light? |
| 16:45.05 | mallum | and they were talking about moving to c++ last I heard for picogui2 |
| 16:45.11 | mallum | fltk is |
| 16:45.28 | mallum | but its pretty ugly |
| 16:45.40 | mallum | when fltk2 gets done, it may be better |
| 16:46.08 | PaxAnima | that's c++? |
| 16:46.36 | mallum | yeah that too |
| 16:46.46 | mallum | but it dont use stdlib afaik |
| 16:56.13 | PaxAnima | have anyone trid fbgtk? |
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| 17:11.56 | PaxAnima | evening, pb_ |
| 17:12.00 | cmarqu | Hi pb_ |
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| 17:12.59 | cmarqu | Hahaaa. T-Mobile will not be selling this M$-based smartphone. |
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| 17:17.10 | pb_ | hi PaxAnima |
| 17:17.11 | pb_ | hi cmarqu |
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| 18:10.22 | pb_ | florian: re |
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| 19:06.53 | florian | ok, now i'm really here :-) |
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| 20:49.59 | florian | mallum: Does current gtk2 work without Xrender extension? |
| 21:21.32 | florian | night all |
| 21:22.51 | mallum | florian: render or randr ? |
| 21:23.05 | florian | mallum: render |
| 21:23.23 | mallum | florian: yeah, it uses it for the AA'd fonts |
| 21:24.22 | florian | mallum: sh... i just closed the window with the mail from owen taylor to the gtk devel list. |
| 21:25.16 | mallum | florian: what gtk list ? |
| 21:25.48 | florian | he was talking about removing the pangox backend... one reason was buggy and unmaintained X extensions... |
| 21:25.59 | florian | ehh... i think gtk-devel |
| 21:26.43 | florian | i have a machine suffering from exactly this problem - a broken Xrender backend :-/ |
| 21:27.17 | mallum | oh Im not on gtk-devel |
| 21:27.51 | mallum | florian: do you a url for archive ? |
| 21:28.32 | florian | eh no - but it was one of the first results searching google for "gtk without xrender" :-) |
| 21:29.53 | florian | mallum: found it again: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2003-April/msg00176.html |
| 21:35.32 | mallum | florian: yeah kind of makes sense |
| 21:36.26 | florian | mallum: would be great for me - looks like i should checkout gtk cvs tomorrow :-) |
| 21:36.36 | florian | but first some sleep.... |
| 21:37.10 | mallum | florian: I didn't think the pcf and bdf freetype backends in X were available without a hefty patch |
| 21:39.34 | florian | mallum: looks different... |
| 21:40.02 | florian | are you here tomorrow? i'll tell you fi i find out more... |
| 21:40.31 | florian | s/fi/is |
| 21:40.41 | florian | s/is/if :-/ |
| 21:42.40 | mallum | yeah I'll be here |
| 21:42.52 | florian | great... night... |
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