| 00:04.02 | dc___ | pigeon: hah, cool. |
| 00:04.19 | pigeon | dc___: :O |
| 00:05.39 | dc___ | what a cool stor. |
| 00:05.46 | dc___ | e |
| 00:06.43 | pigeon | Not the "If order amount is less than $75, you will be charged an additional $25 as services fee" bit though. |
| 00:06.57 | dc___ | haahaha |
| 00:07.09 | pigeon | And most small parts have a MOQ |
| 00:07.43 | dc___ | which is? |
| 00:08.02 | pigeon | Like the connector I want to get, I need to buy at least 10 of it. |
| 00:08.09 | dc___ | ah |
| 00:08.11 | dc___ | doh |
| 00:08.35 | pigeon | And I don't understand those stuff in the ordering page... :\ |
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| 00:12.55 | pigeon | The trade term of purchasing at iPAQ Parts Store is Ex-Work (from Shenzhen, China). |
| 00:13.30 | pigeon | :\ |
| 00:14.04 | dc__ | oh dear, |
| 00:14.29 | pigeon | So their parts are from china? |
| 00:14.58 | pigeon | And I'd really want to know what is a "Freight Account Number" :\ |
| 00:15.23 | pigeon | Argh... I give up. |
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| 00:47.38 | __moray | again? |
| 01:11.11 | dc__ | the damn vibrator's broken :[ |
| 01:11.57 | __moray | hm, how'd that happen? |
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| 01:13.41 | dc__ | hey paul dude |
| 01:13.47 | paul | heya dc |
| 01:13.49 | paul | how are things? |
| 01:13.49 | dc__ | I'm just fixing my vibrator |
| 01:13.54 | paul | dc__: eh? |
| 01:14.06 | dc__ | in my new T68i mobile phone. |
| 01:14.13 | paul | oh... /right/... ok. :) |
| 01:14.14 | dc__ | paul: had you there didn't I? |
| 01:14.15 | dc__ | ;-p |
| 01:14.18 | paul | yes :) |
| 01:14.27 | dc__ | I have a communicam. |
| 01:14.30 | dc__ | it's pretty cool. |
| 01:14.37 | paul | dc__: for a minute i thought it was your girlfriend online again :) |
| 01:14.46 | dc__ | and I can send pictures to my c700 via ifared! |
| 01:14.56 | dc__ | paul: hwhw ;-p |
| 01:15.02 | dc__ | s/w/e/ |
| 01:15.10 | paul | dc__: :) |
| 01:16.09 | dc__ | now where is the damn thing |
| 01:17.49 | dc__ | heh |
| 01:18.00 | dc__ | I guess I need to keep hacking now I've come this far. |
| 01:20.35 | dc__ | wow. |
| 01:21.01 | dc__ | the actualy pcb is very small |
| 01:23.15 | paul | dc__: what are these communicam things? |
| 01:23.39 | dc__ | paul: it's a camera that fits onto the bottom of the T68 |
| 01:23.42 | dc__ | i |
| 01:23.43 | paul | aha |
| 01:23.45 | paul | neat :) |
| 01:23.48 | dc__ | paul: and it's pretty cool quality. |
| 01:23.57 | dc__ | although 640x480 is max. |
| 01:24.03 | dc__ | but defently printable quality. |
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| 01:24.13 | paul | can you message the pictures? |
| 01:24.41 | dc__ | yeah |
| 01:25.46 | paul | is that via some new standard? |
| 01:26.00 | dc__ | SMM or whatever |
| 01:26.04 | dc__ | multi media message |
| 01:26.43 | paul | sounds vaguely familiar |
| 01:26.45 | paul | grrr... |
| 01:26.55 | paul | s |
| 01:27.03 | dc__ | hah |
| 01:27.17 | paul | for the last 5 minutes i've been hearing "dee, de dun" every 10s or so. |
| 01:27.34 | paul | i've just figured out its my browser - it was driving me batty :) |
| 01:28.09 | __moray | ha |
| 01:28.24 | NonToxic | gawd I hate that :) |
| 01:32.14 | dc__ | hah |
| 01:32.14 | dc__ | heh |
| 01:32.25 | paul | bloody annoying.. |
| 01:32.31 | paul | :) |
| 01:32.44 | dc__ | hrm |
| 01:33.03 | dc__ | how do I know I'm using a cross compiler when compiling a kernel..... |
| 01:33.17 | dc__ | do I just do make CC=foobar-gcc ? |
| 01:33.26 | dc__ | oh n/m |
| 01:33.32 | paul | dc__: edit the top-level Makefile |
| 01:33.38 | dc__ | indeed. |
| 01:41.49 | paul | i plugged GPE in the Qtopia story on /. :) |
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| 01:52.17 | dc__ | shite! |
| 01:52.21 | NonToxic | ? |
| 01:52.51 | dc__ | just lost a _tiny_ spacer on my messy floor |
| 01:52.55 | NonToxic | oop. |
| 01:53.57 | dc__ | phew, found it |
| 01:54.47 | NonToxic | wh00t |
| 01:54.49 | NonToxic | it was a buffer issue :) |
| 01:57.17 | dc__ | ooooooooookay |
| 01:57.41 | dc__ | oh shite. |
| 01:57.47 | NonToxic | dc__: what did you DO to it?! |
| 01:57.48 | dc__ | blocked. |
| 01:57.48 | NonToxic | :) |
| 01:57.49 | dc__ | great. |
| 01:57.54 | dc__ | how fun. |
| 01:57.57 | dc__ | arg! |
| 01:58.08 | NonToxic | ar, what happened? |
| 01:58.09 | dc__ | how lllllllllllame |
| 01:58.38 | dc__ | NonToxic: it seems ericsson phones don't tell you the phone's blocked untill you repower it. |
| 01:58.44 | dc__ | how anoyyying!!! |
| 01:58.50 | NonToxic | er, I mean, how did it die? |
| 01:58.58 | dc__ | it didn't |
| 01:59.02 | dc__ | the vibrator is dead. |
| 01:59.08 | NonToxic | ah |
| 01:59.15 | dc__ | but I can't find the vibrator anywhere inside it. |
| 01:59.22 | NonToxic | *sigh* |
| 01:59.25 | dc__ | sooo maybe some evil lepricorn has stolen it! |
| 01:59.44 | NonToxic | and would it not have been easy to bring the damn thing in for service? you just got it, what, yesterday? :) |
| 01:59.56 | dc__ | I got it from ebay :-\ |
| 01:59.59 | NonToxic | oh. |
| 02:05.44 | dc__ | how fun. |
| 02:05.50 | dc__ | now I have to find my PUK code. |
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| 02:25.20 | dc___ | oooooomfg |
| 02:25.23 | dc___ | getting there |
| 02:32.13 | dc___ | arg, bugger. |
| 02:32.21 | dc___ | I have to wait for the morrrrrning |
| 02:32.23 | dc___ | how borrrring |
| 03:17.15 | paul | night |
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| 06:23.43 | elhazard | stupid fscking pango won't damn well compile happily |
| 06:24.09 | elhazard | oh wait |
| 06:24.09 | elhazard | nm |
| 06:24.11 | elhazard | there it goes |
| 06:24.17 | elhazard | alrighty |
| 06:24.39 | elhazard | i should, by the end of the week, have GPE running under NetBSD/hpcmips |
| 06:26.10 | elhazard | well... this is assuming that a) the cross compile goes happily and b) that I have enough space on my device for all the libraries that GPE requires |
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| 06:47.11 | florian | botmail read |
| 06:47.21 | florian | iiks |
| 06:47.32 | florian | ibot: botmail read |
| 06:50.28 | elhazard | which libs would i need to compile if i only wanted gpe-calendar, contacts, minicalc, sketchbook, and todo? |
| 06:56.47 | florian | elhazard: eh... ok, you'll need libxml-2.0 for contacts, libgpewidget for all of them... gpe calendar will use libeventdb and libschedule (eventdb is the calendar backend) |
| 06:58.40 | florian | elhazard: ah, libxsettings/libxsettings-client i forgot |
| 06:58.53 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 06:59.03 | elhazard | i'm getting an error building libgpewidgets |
| 06:59.15 | elhazard | 'LC_MESSAGES' undeclared |
| 06:59.45 | florian | huh? what kind of platform do you use? |
| 07:00.01 | elhazard | i'm trying to get GPE running on NetBSD/hpcmips |
| 07:00.16 | elhazard | since it's the only port that runs on my HPC |
| 07:01.21 | florian | hey, this sounds cool... LC_MESSAGES sould be part of the locale system,,,, |
| 07:01.44 | elhazard | libc should provide that right? |
| 07:02.24 | florian | yep, it should be defined in locale.h |
| 07:04.15 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 07:04.38 | elhazard | i managed to get it to compile happily on my debian box |
| 07:04.42 | elhazard | but then again that's linux |
| 07:05.02 | elhazard | though i'm pretty sure that netbsd has the same libc support that linux does |
| 07:10.09 | florian | hmm yes, this could be the case - but i don't know much about netbsd... |
| 07:10.15 | elhazard | dammit |
| 07:10.18 | elhazard | this is really annoying |
| 07:11.40 | florian | maybe try to add this header file to the include of translabel.c in libgpewidget |
| 07:11.57 | elhazard | which header file? |
| 07:12.02 | elhazard | locale.h |
| 07:12.02 | elhazard | ? |
| 07:12.26 | florian | yep |
| 07:12.51 | elhazard | what do you know |
| 07:12.55 | elhazard | that fixed it |
| 07:13.15 | elhazard | though now it's bitching about the stupid gpeclockface crap |
| 07:13.29 | florian | hmm... strange... |
| 07:13.33 | elhazard | nah |
| 07:13.36 | elhazard | i got that before |
| 07:13.38 | elhazard | building on linux |
| 07:13.48 | elhazard | i need to install the latest XRender libs |
| 07:14.13 | elhazard | is gpeclockface needed for any of the applications i want to run? |
| 07:14.24 | elhazard | or can i just nix it from the makefile? |
| 07:14.31 | florian | ok, for the gpeclockface things you need quite fresh XRender and afaik gtk |
| 07:14.44 | elhazard | i've got the latest gtk2 |
| 07:14.53 | elhazard | it's the XRender that's gonna be an issue |
| 07:15.06 | florian | i'm not shure... let me see... |
| 07:16.12 | elhazard | hrm... i've got Xrender 0.7 installed |
| 07:16.21 | elhazard | which isn't fresh enough |
| 07:16.39 | elhazard | though i don't think i'll be able to get it any higher w/out breaking piles of stuff |
| 07:17.03 | florian | i think you could try without it.. calenadar doesn't seem to use this... |
| 07:17.29 | elhazard | how would i go about removing it safely? |
| 07:18.23 | florian | i think you only need to remove the clockface item in libgpewidget/Makefile |
| 07:18.24 | elhazard | now everything seems to build happily |
| 07:22.45 | elhazard | crap |
| 07:22.50 | elhazard | forgot to build libxml2 |
| 07:33.44 | elhazard | dammit |
| 07:33.58 | elhazard | stupid netbsd and it's wierd not liking to look for libraries stupidness |
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| 08:04.45 | florian | hi cmarqu_werk |
| 08:12.07 | elhazard | bleh |
| 08:13.51 | florian | oh, which one? |
| 08:14.04 | elhazard | gpe-contacts |
| 08:14.36 | elhazard | woo! |
| 08:14.44 | elhazard | got gpe-contacts to compile! |
| 08:14.56 | elhazard | that took far far too long |
| 08:16.14 | florian | i hacked some things in contacts lately... where this needs clockface? |
| 08:16.50 | elhazard | erm? |
| 08:19.41 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 08:20.00 | elhazard | the biggest difference between compiling GPE under bsd is the location of files |
| 08:20.08 | elhazard | e.g. for libxsettings |
| 08:20.35 | elhazard | Xlib.h needs to point to /usr/X11R6/include/X11 |
| 08:21.21 | florian | yep, i think noone tried this before - but this is good to know... |
| 08:21.42 | florian | would the use of autotools help with this? |
| 08:21.54 | elhazard | prollu |
| 08:22.38 | elhazard | just get autotools to detect these things and change stuff around if need be |
| 08:24.15 | florian | making crosscompiling really work with autotools is not funny :-/ |
| 08:25.16 | elhazard | what's the flag to have make use a directory to find .h files? |
| 08:25.24 | elhazard | -i/path/ |
| 08:25.24 | elhazard | ? |
| 08:27.04 | florian | -I<path> |
| 08:29.23 | elhazard | nifty |
| 08:30.25 | florian | very helpful :-) |
| 08:30.33 | elhazard | oh yes... |
| 08:30.35 | elhazard | well |
| 08:30.37 | elhazard | it will be |
| 08:30.48 | elhazard | once i have it cross compiled and happy |
| 08:32.06 | florian | oops... |
| 08:32.08 | florian | bbl |
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| 08:46.33 | florian | re |
| 08:48.34 | florian | ahh, cool |
| 08:49.28 | elhazard | it's going to be rather difficult fitting it all into a 256MB CF card though |
| 08:49.43 | elhazard | but i think i'll be able to get it going |
| 08:51.10 | florian | well, but this shcould not be the problem of gpe (works well on a 16MB iPaq) :-) |
| 08:51.18 | elhazard | heh |
| 08:51.30 | elhazard | all the libs take up less than 16MB? |
| 08:51.35 | elhazard | that's pretty nifty |
| 08:52.56 | florian | yep, the most gpe specific libs are really small - most of the are only used for shared backend usage (e.g. gpe-today uses the eventlib of calendar etc.) |
| 08:53.48 | florian | A basic familiar + X + gpe installation needs about 14 MB afaik |
| 08:54.02 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 08:54.14 | elhazard | that makes the netbsd distro seem very bloated |
| 08:54.56 | florian | does it use tinyX? |
| 08:55.00 | elhazard | nope |
| 08:55.24 | elhazard | how does tinyX differ from regular X |
| 08:55.25 | elhazard | ? |
| 08:57.10 | florian | as far that i know this is a part of the current X distribution, how this differs i don't know exactly - ask jg or mallum about this. |
| 08:57.35 | elhazard | k |
| 09:00.07 | elhazard | how would i make fontconfig build a font listing? |
| 09:01.22 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 09:01.43 | elhazard | i keep getting GPE-ERRORS along the lines of Couldn't recognize the image file format for file ... |
| 09:01.50 | florian | i think this is another question for our X professionals - at least in familiar font config is quite poor |
| 09:02.24 | elhazard | ah |
| 09:02.29 | florian | then you are possibly missing an image loader - png? |
| 09:02.30 | elhazard | i just had to do fc-cache |
| 09:02.42 | elhazard | and then fc-list and the font issue was resolved |
| 09:02.52 | elhazard | i have the png library installed |
| 09:05.40 | elhazard | ummm... |
| 09:06.13 | elhazard | why the hell would gpe-todo be trying to use netstat, df, and vmstat |
| 09:06.14 | elhazard | ? |
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| 10:14.29 | elhazard | lo |
| 10:19.51 | xav | Hi guys |
| 10:20.09 | xav | could someone explain me how to set the date/time correctly under GPE ? |
| 10:20.38 | xav | I can't figure which timezone I have to choose (I can't find CEST) |
| 10:20.48 | elhazard | isn't there a config util to do that? |
| 10:20.52 | xav | yes |
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| 10:21.50 | xav | but it seems strange: each time I change the TZ and rerun ntpdate, the time is changing. As if the internal clock didn't store GMT. |
| 10:22.48 | elhazard | i honesty would not know |
| 10:22.57 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 10:23.04 | xav | 'morning |
| 10:23.18 | xav | what's the timezone for France ? |
| 10:23.32 | xav | debian says CEST, but it's not available on the iPaq |
| 10:23.38 | xav | (under GPE) |
| 10:25.21 | cmarqu_werk | xav: I think you want MEST/MEZ |
| 10:25.40 | xav | cmarqu_werk: thanks, I'll try with that |
| 10:25.45 | cmarqu_werk | xav: And then, the timzone setting won't update until you logout and login again/ |
| 10:27.32 | xav | cmarqu_werk: great, it worked ! |
| 10:28.10 | xav | cmarqu_werk: but I had to ntpdate again. so it really seems like the RTC isn't set to GMT. Why is that ? |
| 10:28.10 | cmarqu_werk | I'll add that to the GPENewbie wiki page. |
| 10:28.41 | cmarqu_werk | xav: I'm not sure, I also had to play around a bit. |
| 10:32.17 | xav | cmarqu_werk: apart from that, I'm really impressed by gpe. I let my iPaq under the dust for nearly one year (it was under an old version of familiar) and just loaded the 0.7-rc1 gpe image yesterday. Wow ! It's nearly usable now. |
| 10:33.17 | xav | I just miss some way to sync with evolution |
| 10:34.48 | cmarqu_werk | xav: Yeah, I remember you from the old days :) |
| 10:35.12 | cmarqu_werk | Syncing is not too far off I think. You can already import and export vcards in gpe-contacts. |
| 10:35.42 | xav | ah yes ? |
| 10:36.00 | xav | great |
| 10:36.02 | cmarqu_werk | The (command line) apps are vcard-{export,import} |
| 10:40.14 | elhazard | what is the ~/.gpe/contacts-journal file used for? |
| 10:43.49 | elhazard | gpe-contacts is dying on my machine after it tries to access /var/tmp/sqlite_<randomchars>-journal |
| 10:44.04 | elhazard | which doesn't exist |
| 10:44.39 | elhazard | any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 10:46.54 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm, I have never seen a ~/.gpe/contacts-journal. |
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| 10:47.23 | cmarqu_werk | elhazard: I guess you'll need to wait for pb_ to appear. |
| 10:47.33 | elhazard | damn |
| 10:47.35 | elhazard | :( |
| 10:47.53 | cmarqu_werk | Hi paul |
| 10:48.00 | paul | hi cmarqu! |
| 10:58.47 | xav | cmarqu_werk: how do you import a file with multiple vcards with vcard-import ? |
| 10:58.59 | xav | is there some doc somewhere ? |
| 10:59.13 | xav | it only imports the 1st vcard of my file |
| 11:02.31 | cmarqu_werk | xav: You need to pipe them one by one to STDIN. |
| 11:03.28 | xav | argh. |
| 11:03.34 | cmarqu_werk | I think pb_ wanted to make this more flexible, but then, these are not really supposed to be user-friendly programs. |
| 11:04.19 | cmarqu_werk | Eventually, there will be some kind of beaming app (gpe-beam exists in CVS), shielding you from this low-level stuff. |
| 11:04.57 | xav | mmh .. any shell/awk/perl guru to split a .vcf file ? (split at \n\nBEGIN:VCARD boudary) |
| 11:07.43 | cmarqu_werk | It's maybe easier to make vcard-import understand the whole file :) |
| 11:08.06 | xav | mmmh ... vcard-normalize: error reading card file: Conversion from character set `UTF-8' to `ISO-8859-15' is not supported |
| 11:08.22 | cmarqu_werk | vcard-import is in the gpe-beam CVS module. |
| 11:08.43 | cmarqu_werk | Oh, hmm. |
| 11:08.57 | cmarqu_werk | Is your locale `ISO-8859-15'? |
| 11:09.01 | xav | should I install more iconv stuff, or is it hopeless :) |
| 11:09.44 | xav | well, I didn't touch anything on gpe |
| 11:09.54 | xav | I'm just using fr_FR |
| 11:10.15 | elhazard | woo... |
| 11:10.34 | elhazard | and if i could figure out this damn sqlite issue |
| 11:10.45 | elhazard | then calendar, todo, and contacts will work |
| 11:19.47 | elhazard | is gpe-confd required to run any of the programs? |
| 11:49.07 | cmarqu_werk | xav: I don't really know. There is an iconv package, but I guess it won't help automatically. |
| 11:49.30 | cmarqu_werk | elhazard: I don't think you need gpe-confd running, no. |
| 11:52.32 | elhazard | i think i've tracked down the problem |
| 11:52.47 | elhazard | the apps that fail do so right after accessing libc.so |
| 11:55.52 | elhazard | then again it could just be accessing libc.so for the shutdown proceedure |
| 12:02.07 | elhazard | is there supposed to be an existing sqlite database before you can run any of the programs? |
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| 12:16.13 | florian | re |
| 12:18.19 | florian | cmarqu_werk: i updated the wireless config wiki, it tells you something about the network info dialog... |
| 12:48.02 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Ah, cool. |
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| 12:48.35 | cmarqu_werk | elhazard: I think all apps create an empty DB if none exists. |
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| 14:43.20 | prpplague | howdy howdy |
| 14:43.30 | PaxAnima | howdy, prpplague |
| 14:43.32 | prpplague | anyone running mallum's oz images |
| 14:43.39 | prpplague | PaxAnima: howdy |
| 14:43.46 | prpplague | PaxAnima: whats cookin today? |
| 14:44.59 | PaxAnima | nothing much... still hunting fish (for my diploma thesis, which is finding fishes in an image sequence from a survailance camera on the sea bed)... |
| 14:47.56 | PaxAnima | and drinking guinness while watching football.... a very nice thing to do... much more fun than working on my thesis |
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| 14:53.19 | PaxAnima | hey, mallum |
| 14:53.40 | mallum | hey PaxAnima |
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| 15:51.47 | florian | re |
| 16:24.38 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Two minor things about http://handhelds.org/scap/html.cgi?fn=port.22359.png |
| 16:25.28 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: hey, do you know how to get gtk2 to use emacs keybinds ? |
| 16:25.40 | cmarqu_werk | florian: I would make the interface line bold, not blue, and I would say: "HWAddr (MAC):" since many docs talk about MACs. |
| 16:25.55 | cmarqu_werk | mallum: Hmm, I can find out. One sec. |
| 16:26.34 | florian | cmarqu_werk: yep, both a good idea... |
| 16:26.41 | cmarqu_werk | mallum: gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" |
| 16:27.09 | cmarqu_werk | mallum: http://neugierig.org/content/gtk2/ has this kind of stuff. |
| 16:28.21 | mallum | cmarqu_werk: cool, thx |
| 16:28.54 | cmarqu_werk | florian: And I would swap Netmask with Broadcast, seems a bit more natural. |
| 16:30.08 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Oh, and is this dialog selectable? I would like to be able to copy the MAC and paste it into, say, gpe-wlancfg2. |
| 16:30.39 | florian | cmarqu_werk: ok, done... you are the usability specialist :-) |
| 16:31.02 | florian | cmarqu_werk: don't think so... is this possible with labels? |
| 16:31.33 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Yep, in GTK2 it is. Let me see... |
| 16:32.40 | florian | cmarqu_werk: found it... ann added it :-) |
| 16:32.50 | florian | s/ann/and |
| 16:33.13 | cmarqu_werk | gtk_label_set_selectable (GTK_LABEL (name), TRUE); |
| 16:33.21 | cmarqu_werk | Ah cool. |
| 16:34.35 | cmarqu_werk | florian: One more: in the Global Config dialog, shouldn't we have two DNS server fields? Primary and secondary? |
| 16:36.25 | florian | huh, pan timouts are _really_ long... |
| 16:37.43 | florian | cmarqu_werk: shure - ususlly you don't really need, but i think this would be a good idea for future.... |
| 16:41.50 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Yeah, it is not really important. |
| 16:43.19 | florian | cmarqu_werk: better? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18596.png |
| 16:47.24 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Yes. Maybe we could also lose the "Interface:" part? Bold *and* italic text (like "bnep0" there) is frowned upon among typographers. |
| 16:48.21 | cmarqu_werk | And it looks like there is an extra space before "Interface:"? |
| 16:49.29 | cmarqu_werk | Oh, and gpe_border_spacing() for the dialog top please :) |
| 16:52.22 | florian | Well... i think i only remove the italic part... or not? |
| 16:52.41 | florian | it is... no... it was :-) |
| 16:53.28 | florian | the solution like it is is bad for > 2 interfaces... maybe i should do this in another way. |
| 16:53.53 | cmarqu_werk | Maybe "Interface bnep0" would be good? I.e. without the colon. |
| 16:54.38 | florian | yeah, i think this is better - makes more sense... |
| 16:54.59 | cmarqu_werk | Maybe this info would fit in the normal page with a bit of tweaking? |
| 16:55.41 | cmarqu_werk | We don't really need Broadcast there maybe. |
| 16:55.59 | florian | Yes, but then the difference between the dynamic (dhcp, manual configured...) part and the static configuration is lost. |
| 16:56.23 | cmarqu_werk | A normal user would not care, and a hacker would use ifconfig anyway. |
| 16:56.36 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm, true. |
| 16:57.07 | florian | but a hacker could use a user to tell what he sees... |
| 16:58.37 | florian | damn... which kernel option provides sk_run_filter?! |
| 16:59.04 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm, what if... |
| 16:59.25 | florian | ohoh ;-) |
| 16:59.33 | cmarqu_werk | If you use "static", then you get GtkEntrys. |
| 16:59.50 | cmarqu_werk | If you use DHCP, you get GtkLabels. |
| 17:01.11 | florian | this would be quite an idea... but means much more changes in the dynamic widget building... |
| 17:01.57 | cmarqu_werk | Shouldn't be too hard with gtk_widget_remove() or whatever that function was? |
| 17:02.34 | cmarqu_werk | Or maybe ask __moray, he always has good ideas about such things. |
| 17:03.40 | cmarqu_werk | Time to go home. BBL. |
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| 17:04.00 | florian | shure - it is no problem - only some work.. |
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| 17:14.15 | nelson | florian: do you think that wlan scanning for an access point falls under the purview of gpe-conf? |
| 17:22.06 | florian | nelson: i thought about this some time ago - on the one hand this would be a nice feature, on the other hand a good default config is usually ok... |
| 17:25.07 | florian | but maybe it wouuld be a good idea to make the miniwave applet show all available networks/aps |
| 17:26.01 | nelson | florian: yeah, but if you've got multiple access points, and you want to associate with a weaker one, you've got to have it. |
| 17:26.25 | nelson | florian: yes, it would be *great* if miniwave showed the available AP's and even let you select among them. |
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| 17:29.19 | florian | nelson: yep, really - but gatering correct data to configure this is a little bit tricky... especially for ad-hoc networks. (which would be another scenario: switching between ad-hoc and managed network) |
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| 17:35.10 | florian | brb |
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| 17:50.46 | florian_ | re |
| 17:51.30 | florian_ | pb_: hello |
| 17:52.02 | paul | hi pb_ |
| 17:52.10 | pb_ | hi florian_ |
| 17:52.11 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 17:52.26 | paul | pb_: russel coker can replicate that screen lock / orientation / xkbd bug! |
| 17:52.45 | pb_ | paul: yep, saw his bugzilla note. |
| 17:52.49 | paul | pb_: :) |
| 17:52.50 | pb_ | I will try it myself in a bit. |
| 17:53.12 | paul | pb_: btw, why does gpe-login not spawn gpe-ownerinfo? why is it done via seperate script? |
| 17:53.47 | pb_ | just seemed like a good idea, I guess. |
| 17:54.07 | paul | k |
| 17:54.38 | paul | pb_: so what about making gpe-login run that script when locking screen? |
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| 17:54.47 | paul | interesting: http://www.strategic-test.com/triton.html |
| 17:55.05 | pb_ | paul: at present it'd interact badly with gpe-login's desire to be the top window and cover the whole screen. |
| 17:55.13 | paul | ah.. |
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| 17:55.41 | paul | pb_: in which case it'd need to spawn it, as it does for xkbd, in which case it could do the same at login time too... |
| 17:55.41 | paul | ? |
| 17:56.17 | mallum | ibot: botmail for dc. the c700 kernel already has irda support - you just need to irattach /dev/ttyS1 |
| 17:56.32 | pb_ | yeah, in principle. gpe-ownerinfo isn't set up to be embedded, so it would need some "swallow arbitrary application" code adding. |
| 17:56.37 | mallum | ibot: botmail for dc_ the c700 kernel already has irda support - you just need to irattach /dev/ttyS1 |
| 17:57.50 | paul | pb_: ah |
| 18:00.17 | pb_ | florian_: did that new libgpewidget help at all with your gpe-what issue? |
| 18:03.17 | florian_ | pb_: yep, works now... thanks |
| 18:03.57 | pb_ | ah, great. |
| 18:12.09 | nelson | pb_: "Usbnet on pxa was broken in -hh10 and -hh11 kernels. It is working |
| 18:12.09 | nelson | again in -hh12." |
| 18:12.40 | nelson | pb_: sounds like I ought to get rc2 out even though we know there's going to be an rc3 because of /etc/modules.d/ changes. |
| 18:13.47 | florian_ | brb |
| 18:15.26 | pb_ | nelson: Yep, I guess so. I'm personally not convinced that the /etc/modules.d thing should block 0.7-final anyway. |
| 18:19.37 | nelson | pb_: yeah, but it's safe enough to do and fixes a long-term ugliness. |
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| 18:28.03 | elhazard | florian_: who was the person you told me i'd have to talk to about my errors? |
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| 18:28.18 | elhazard | florian_: who was the person you told me i'd have to talk to about my errors? |
| 18:34.26 | florian | elhazard: about this X stuff? |
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| 18:34.42 | elhazard | i fixed the X stuff |
| 18:35.05 | florian | elhazard: which problems remain? |
| 18:35.09 | elhazard | i'm trying to find whomever coded either gpe-contacts, gpe-todo, or goe-calendar |
| 18:35.17 | elhazard | because those are the apps that arn't working |
| 18:35.35 | elhazard | i have the calculator and skechbook running happily |
| 18:35.49 | elhazard | so it isn't an issue w/ X |
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| 18:36.42 | florian | ok, i think pb and me know some things about it.... what'S up |
| 18:38.21 | mallum | elhazard: did you fix rxvt in the end ? |
| 18:38.55 | florian | hi moray |
| 18:38.57 | elhazard | i start the app, from the ktrace info i know it loads all the pixmaps, locale info, international info, and then when it starts trying to do stuff with sqlite gets into a loop about not being able to do stuff, and then descides to dump a .core file but doesn't actually crash until i kill the process |
| 18:39.14 | elhazard | mallum: nope... i've been focusing on getting the GPE apps running first |
| 18:39.21 | elhazard | mallum: which i've had limited success with |
| 18:39.48 | moray | hi florian |
| 18:40.02 | mallum | elhazard: /usr/X11R6/bin is in your path right ? |
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| 18:40.03 | moray | (I'm now back in Cambridge again) |
| 18:40.10 | elhazard | cambridge, boston? |
| 18:40.11 | dc_c700 | what fun |
| 18:40.13 | elhazard | oh wait |
| 18:40.14 | elhazard | nm |
| 18:40.17 | dc_c700 | hehe |
| 18:40.18 | elhazard | :P |
| 18:40.37 | pb_ | dc_c700: afternoon |
| 18:40.45 | pb_ | moray: ah, welcome back. |
| 18:40.59 | moray | evening pb_ |
| 18:41.22 | pb_ | moray: oh, did you book a flight to Dublin for GUADEC yet? I was going to do that today, except I forgot. |
| 18:41.32 | moray | no, I haven't yet |
| 18:41.47 | dc_c700 | shame I can't go! |
| 18:41.50 | moray | I was meaning to do it over the (last) weekend (well, that was the latest time I was meaning to do it) |
| 18:41.53 | dc_c700 | :-[ |
| 18:41.58 | pb_ | I think I'm going to get the first (0650) flight out on the Monday morning, and the last (2130-ish I think) flight back on the Wednesday evening. |
| 18:42.06 | pb_ | dc_c700: sure is. |
| 18:42.10 | florian | bbl |
| 18:42.47 | pb_ | elhazard: mail me the strace output from one of these failing programs. |
| 18:43.01 | moray | pb_: right - I might stay for Wednesday night (not having work to go to...), but the first flight on Monday morning is probably what I should be getting out |
| 18:43.03 | elhazard | pb_: want the .core file too? |
| 18:43.43 | pb_ | elhazard: let's try just the strace first. |
| 18:43.45 | elhazard | pb_: i should prolly let you know that i'm trying to get GPE to run under NetBSD |
| 18:43.49 | elhazard | :P |
| 18:43.53 | pb_ | aha. |
| 18:44.22 | elhazard | though things should run fine |
| 18:44.34 | elhazard | as some of the other apps are quite happy |
| 18:44.47 | elhazard | it just seems that any app that was linked to libdm has issues |
| 18:44.52 | elhazard | well either libdm or sqlite |
| 18:45.24 | elhazard | would you mind taking a look at the trace information and seeing if anything is blaringly wrong? |
| 18:45.30 | pb_ | moray: yah, I was considering staying the Wednesday as well and getting the first flight back on Thursday, but decided in the end to save the money on the hotel. |
| 18:45.37 | pb_ | elhazard: sure. |
| 18:45.47 | elhazard | pb_: where should i send the files? |
| 18:45.59 | pb_ | pb@handhelds.org |
| 18:47.45 | elhazard | i have trace info for contacts, todo, calendar, and word |
| 18:47.47 | elhazard | which would you like? |
| 18:49.06 | mallum | dc_c700: yo, the c700 kernel already has irda stuff in built |
| 18:50.39 | pb_ | elhazard: let's try todo |
| 18:51.50 | elhazard | mind if i gzip the file? |
| 19:07.55 | pb_ | elhazard: cool, got it. I have to go out now, but will look at it later. |
| 19:08.50 | elhazard | nice |
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| 19:26.34 | mallum | hey jg_ |
| 19:28.18 | jg_ | mallum: hi. |
| 19:28.47 | mallum | jg_: whats new with you ? |
| 19:29.15 | jg_ | mallum: too much politics; not enough real work... |
| 19:29.46 | jg_ | I do finally have cable service at home though, so not everything is bad... |
| 19:30.07 | paul | bfn |
| 19:30.43 | mallum | jg_: nice, can you telework now - or do you do that anyway ? |
| 19:32.22 | jg_ | mallum: Now it is at least feasible.... |
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| 20:56.27 | jg_ | pb_, nelson: debian's /sbin/update-modules seems to do what we need... I sent some mail describing it.... |
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| 21:49.19 | nelson | jg_: yep, saw it, will read it. |
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| 22:25.49 | florian_ | hi all |
| 22:26.15 | flypiper | florian_: evening :) |
| 22:27.45 | cmarqu | flypiper: gpe-conf's de.po is about 50% translated |
| 22:27.56 | cmarqu | But I'm in bed already. Kind of. |
| 22:27.59 | cmarqu | Night. |
| 22:28.07 | flypiper | cmarqu: Nite |
| 22:28.44 | cmarqu | flypiper: Uh, that comment about gpe-conf was not for you of course, but florian. :) |
| 22:28.54 | cmarqu | Still, night. |
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| 22:30.57 | florian_ | cmarqu: cool, but i think i need to update it soon... |
| 22:31.11 | flypiper | cmarqu: figured that.. night |
| 22:31.15 | florian_ | cmarqu: night |
| 22:33.27 | florian_ | jg: helllo |
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| 22:42.27 | florian_ | night all |
| 22:42.42 | flypiper | florian_: have a good one |
| 22:44.10 | florian_ | flypiper: thanks, you too |
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| 23:28.26 | paul | night |
