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| 04:18.10 | elhazard | hey |
| 04:18.34 | elhazard | would it be possible to get the GPE applications running on a NetBSD MIPS based machine? |
| 04:24.25 | spung | elhazard: should work, i guess |
| 04:24.40 | elhazard | is there anything in the code that'd prevent it from working? |
| 04:24.47 | elhazard | like endian issues? |
| 04:25.31 | spung | elhazard: well, you can run gtk and X on netbsd so, that's pretty much what gpe depends on |
| 04:25.41 | elhazard | true |
| 04:25.43 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 04:26.05 | elhazard | i spent a couple hours today going through the NetBSD pkgsrc stuff trying to find a set of programs exactly like this |
| 04:26.20 | elhazard | it's pretty annoying that it was sitting in front of me all this time |
| 04:26.25 | spung | elhazard: i've never tried it tho, my netbsd machine is a 25mhz 386 ;) |
| 04:26.39 | elhazard | hehe |
| 04:26.48 | elhazard | i'm running NetBSD on a NEC MobilePro 770 |
| 04:27.07 | spung | elhazard: is that a cell phone or something? |
| 04:27.10 | elhazard | nope |
| 04:27.14 | elhazard | it's an HPC |
| 04:27.57 | spung | elhazard: well, if you can get gpe running there don't forget to send us some screenshots ;) |
| 04:28.19 | elhazard | i shall |
| 04:28.38 | spung | elhazard: the vast majority of the gpe developers are from europe so you won't find many of us on irc at this our of the day |
| 04:28.47 | elhazard | heh |
| 04:28.50 | spung | it's 5am here |
| 04:28.59 | elhazard | where's "here" |
| 04:28.59 | spung | s/our/hour |
| 04:29.03 | spung | Portugal |
| 04:29.06 | elhazard | nifty |
| 04:29.37 | elhazard | i've been living in the states for way too long |
| 04:29.37 | spung | ahh, the marijuana heaven :D |
| 04:29.41 | elhazard | hehe |
| 04:29.47 | elhazard | :P |
| 04:30.47 | spung | i have t-shirt bought in the netherlands that reads "fuck milk, drink beer" |
| 04:30.56 | spung | yet i've never been there and i dont like beer |
| 04:31.01 | elhazard | hehehe |
| 04:32.25 | spung | elhazard: are you BSD guy or something? |
| 04:32.32 | elhazard | not really |
| 04:32.37 | elhazard | i just run BSD on the 770 |
| 04:32.42 | spung | hmm |
| 04:32.43 | elhazard | because it's the most stable and featureful |
| 04:32.50 | elhazard | linux on everything else i have |
| 04:33.00 | elhazard | if linux-vr were better i'd run that |
| 04:33.06 | elhazard | which would actually be alot easier for me |
| 04:33.55 | spung | im thinking about switching to some BSD on my desktop now that i have linux on my laptop |
| 04:34.11 | spung | but i have a NVIDIA GeForce |
| 04:34.26 | elhazard | BSD is great for server solutions |
| 04:34.31 | spung | i havent played quake in ages |
| 04:34.35 | spung | anyway |
| 04:34.37 | elhazard | but i'd def. run linux on any workstation i have |
| 04:35.01 | spung | the bsd ports are cool :) |
| 04:35.23 | elhazard | heh |
| 04:35.24 | elhazard | yeah |
| 04:35.39 | spung | although apt-get is even better :) |
| 04:35.58 | elhazard | still trying to make up my mind about gentoo |
| 04:36.31 | spung | yeah, i might try gentoo |
| 04:36.41 | elhazard | the emerge system is really nice |
| 04:38.39 | elhazard | which library is the XPointDouble routine from? |
| 04:38.48 | elhazard | i'm getting compile errors trying to build gpeclockface.c |
| 04:38.56 | spung | ahh |
| 04:39.04 | spung | you need X 4.3 for that |
| 04:39.12 | spung | or |
| 04:39.14 | elhazard | fucker |
| 04:39.17 | spung | some lib |
| 04:39.24 | elhazard | dammit |
| 04:39.26 | spung | that comes with X 4.3 |
| 04:39.27 | elhazard | well that sucks quite a bit |
| 04:39.37 | spung | elhazard: you can remove it in the makefile |
| 04:39.49 | spung | elhazard: i think only gpe-clock depends on that |
| 04:39.57 | elhazard | wouldn't that mean i don't get a clock? |
| 04:39.58 | elhazard | :P |
| 04:40.25 | spung | hmm |
| 04:40.36 | spung | elhazard: ive never tried gpe-clock |
| 04:41.00 | spung | i think its some helper app to set alarms or something |
| 04:42.06 | spung | ah |
| 04:42.08 | spung | found the mail |
| 04:42.39 | spung | If you encounter problems building gpeclockface.c, this may mean you |
| 04:42.42 | spung | need to update your Render library installation. The version shipped in |
| 04:42.45 | spung | XFree86 4.3 should be okay, otherwise use fcpackage_2.1 from |
| 04:42.48 | spung | fontconfig.org. |
| 04:43.36 | elhazard | ah |
| 04:43.44 | elhazard | another thing that might be a problem |
| 04:43.54 | elhazard | the resolution on my HPC is 640x240 |
| 04:44.07 | elhazard | will the applications fit into that resolution w/out clipping? |
| 04:44.09 | spung | that sounds cool |
| 04:44.21 | elhazard | what's the resolution on an iPaq? |
| 04:44.31 | spung | less than that |
| 04:44.44 | elhazard | ah |
| 04:44.45 | elhazard | nifty |
| 04:45.07 | spung | 320x240 |
| 04:45.24 | elhazard | ah |
| 04:45.25 | elhazard | okays |
| 04:45.42 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 04:46.04 | elhazard | it looks like i'm going to have to compile in a whole bunch of other libraries to get this working |
| 04:46.14 | spung | yeah |
| 04:46.24 | spung | the toplevel Makefile.gpe |
| 04:46.26 | spung | is handy |
| 04:46.35 | elhazard | does the iPaq linux distro run X 4.3.0? |
| 04:49.26 | elhazard | damn, even after installing the latest fontconfig it's giving me that error |
| 04:50.20 | spung | well, apparently the latest X in familiar unstable is |
| 04:50.28 | spung | 4.2.20030126 |
| 04:50.40 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 04:50.57 | elhazard | the CPU that familiar is supposed to run on is an ARM right? |
| 04:51.41 | elhazard | gpeclockface.c:102: warning: implicit declaration of function `XRenderCompositeDoublePoly' |
| 04:51.47 | elhazard | that's what i'm getting for a compile error |
| 04:52.39 | spung | hmm, yeah i think there are only binaries for ARM |
| 04:53.00 | spung | well, you can try simply removing gpeclockface from the Makefile for now |
| 04:54.29 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 04:54.37 | elhazard | i think i installed the wrong package though |
| 04:57.07 | elhazard | woo |
| 04:57.10 | elhazard | got it to work |
| 04:57.10 | elhazard | :) |
| 04:57.17 | spung | cool :) |
| 04:57.52 | spung | ah, just received another translation for gpe-today, romanian this time :) |
| 04:57.58 | elhazard | hehe |
| 04:58.04 | spung | the Translation Project is cool |
| 05:02.07 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 05:02.11 | elhazard | cannot find -lXsettings |
| 05:02.17 | elhazard | which library is that? |
| 05:02.27 | spung | elhazard: libXsettings is on the gpe cvs |
| 05:04.12 | elhazard | ah |
| 05:04.13 | elhazard | found it |
| 05:05.44 | elhazard | is it possible to cut out things like bluetooth support? |
| 05:06.13 | spung | elhazard: what do you mean? |
| 05:06.30 | elhazard | there's a bunch of libs for bluetooth that're required |
| 05:06.35 | elhazard | and i'm never going to use bluetooth |
| 05:06.43 | elhazard | so is it possible to remove them? |
| 05:06.45 | spung | hmm |
| 05:06.48 | spung | where? |
| 05:06.54 | spung | where are they required? |
| 05:07.25 | elhazard | it needed header files from libbluetooth and libsdp2 |
| 05:08.23 | spung | elhazard: what program/lib? |
| 05:08.55 | elhazard | erm |
| 05:08.57 | elhazard | not quite sure |
| 05:09.05 | elhazard | i just threw in the libs and proceeded to compile more |
| 05:09.13 | spung | probably gpe-bluetooth |
| 05:09.26 | spung | you don't have to install that ;) |
| 05:09.31 | elhazard | heh |
| 05:09.45 | elhazard | i'm just compiling everything on my main box to see how it all works |
| 05:09.58 | elhazard | and if i want to expend the effort to get it to compile on my 770 |
| 05:10.18 | elhazard | which would require setting up a netbsd box with the correct cross compile tools and all sorts of other crap like that |
| 05:11.13 | spung | cross compiling can be a pain sometimes |
| 05:12.48 | elhazard | esp when there're so damn many other things i'm going to have to compile |
| 05:15.43 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 05:16.19 | elhazard | if i do descide to compile this for netbsd |
| 05:16.24 | elhazard | i'm going to cut out alot of stuff |
| 05:17.05 | elhazard | what are the essential libraries required to compile the Address Book, Todo list, and Calendar |
| 05:17.06 | elhazard | ? |
| 05:18.02 | elhazard | oh and the sketch program |
| 05:18.45 | spung | libgpewidget libxsettings |
| 05:18.49 | spung | i guess |
| 05:18.55 | spung | libtododb |
| 05:18.57 | spung | libeventdb |
| 05:18.59 | spung | too |
| 05:19.29 | spung | and you need sqlite |
| 05:20.26 | elhazard | what's minibat and minilite? |
| 05:25.08 | spung | minibat is a dock app that shows battery status |
| 05:25.20 | elhazard | don't need that |
| 05:25.26 | spung | minilite controls the back light intensity |
| 05:25.31 | spung | dock app too |
| 05:26.10 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 05:26.16 | elhazard | how would i build gpe-sketchbook |
| 05:28.36 | spung | cxu? |
| 05:29.41 | elhazard | erm? |
| 05:30.01 | spung | what do you mean? |
| 05:30.06 | spung | make ? |
| 05:30.08 | spung | ;) |
| 05:30.08 | elhazard | yeah |
| 05:30.14 | elhazard | it won't compile |
| 05:30.19 | elhazard | everything else is happy and compiled |
| 05:30.23 | elhazard | just not gpe-sketchbook |
| 05:30.24 | spung | ah, why not? |
| 05:30.28 | elhazard | no idea |
| 05:31.16 | spung | is it not in gpe-sketchbook/src ? |
| 05:31.41 | elhazard | oh wait |
| 05:31.42 | elhazard | nm |
| 05:31.48 | elhazard | stupid thing didn't install correctly |
| 05:41.41 | spung | well |
| 05:41.46 | spung | i should really go to bed |
| 05:41.47 | elhazard | okays |
| 05:41.52 | elhazard | things are all happy on debian |
| 05:41.54 | spung | cya |
| 05:41.57 | elhazard | peace |
| 05:42.04 | spung | good luck with gpe on netbsd |
| 05:42.08 | elhazard | thanks |
| 05:42.08 | elhazard | :) |
| 05:42.21 | spung | dont forget to say somthing about it on the mailing list |
| 05:43.17 | elhazard | i shall |
| 05:43.19 | elhazard | if i get it working |
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| 10:34.37 | pb_ | morning |
| 10:34.49 | PaxAnima | morning |
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| 10:42.20 | cmarqu_werk | Hi. |
| 10:42.50 | cmarqu_werk | Hey, without knowing what it was about, I came across http://www.eedesign.com/story/OEG20030501S0050, and it talks about dasher. |
| 10:43.37 | cmarqu_werk | And EEDesign is a pretty major news site in the EDA industry. |
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| 10:44.06 | florian | hi all |
| 10:49.02 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 10:49.48 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 10:50.09 | florian | pb_: do you know something about a keylaunch problem? |
| 10:50.19 | pb_ | florian: No, what kind of problem? |
| 10:50.43 | florian | pb_: it seems do die randomly... |
| 10:51.02 | pb_ | Strange, I've never seen that. |
| 10:51.19 | pb_ | Does .xsession-errors contain any clues? |
| 10:51.28 | florian | but not very often... it happened two times last week... |
| 10:52.47 | pb_ | I see. Well, Moray is the keylaunch man really. |
| 10:53.15 | florian | pb_: nope, exept one interesting item about gpe-bluetooth.... |
| 10:53.59 | pb_ | aha |
| 10:54.14 | pb_ | I saw your gpe-bluetooth bugs, but I'm still not able to reproduce that problem. |
| 10:55.04 | pb_ | On your hciattach thing, that does indeed sound like hciattach has lost its setuid bit somehow. That might happen during an upgrade, I guess. |
| 10:56.02 | florian | ok, let me check if i have the correct version... |
| 10:56.55 | florian | did you ever see this multiple pan items? |
| 10:57.25 | mallum | if moray doesn't update keylaunch soon, then is it time it was ditched, and we switch to matchbox key shortcuts and update login to work independantly ? |
| 10:59.04 | pb_ | florian: No, I've never seen that inquiry problem. |
| 11:00.13 | florian | pb_: ok, one thing i know is that's something wrong with my ipkg config... |
| 11:00.57 | pb_ | It sounds like gpe-bluetooth is somehow getting stuck doing SDP inquiries to the same device over and over again. But I don't know what would cause that to happen. |
| 11:02.40 | florian | yay... looks like a real ipkg problem: |
| 11:03.03 | florian | ipkg info gpe-bluetooth shows correct info about it |
| 11:03.34 | florian | ipkg install gpe-bluetooth tells me that gpe-bluetooth was not available... |
| 11:04.01 | pb_ | ah, sounds like you may be missing some architecture specifiers. |
| 11:04.07 | pb_ | what's in /etc/ipkg/ipaqarch.conf? |
| 11:04.31 | florian | yes, could be... let me look... |
| 11:05.07 | florian | arch arm 10 |
| 11:05.07 | florian | arch armv4l 20 |
| 11:05.07 | florian | arch ipaqsa 30 |
| 11:05.07 | florian | arch all 1 |
| 11:05.07 | florian | arch any 1 |
| 11:05.10 | florian | arch noarch 1 |
| 11:05.14 | florian | looks ok, or not? |
| 11:05.51 | pb_ | yeah, looks fine. |
| 11:05.53 | florian | arch for gpe-bluetooth is "arm" |
| 11:06.10 | florian | i hane ipkg...99-83 |
| 11:06.21 | pb_ | you could try using -V 3 with ipkg install to see if that shows anything useful. |
| 11:08.22 | florian | arch arm (priority 10) supported for pkg gpe-bluetooth |
| 11:08.22 | florian | Installing gpe-bluetooth (0.18) to root... |
| 11:08.43 | florian | i think this is not correct - afaik there is a version 0.22 |
| 11:09.04 | pb_ | Yes, I think so. Which version does ipkg info show? |
| 11:09.18 | pb_ | 0.22 might only be in unstable still, whereas I think 0.18 is in 0.7. |
| 11:09.44 | pb_ | If you have both feeds listed, this could be the problem. Ipkg has never coped very well with that. |
| 11:10.14 | florian | jes, it shows both versons... |
| 11:11.15 | florian | s/jes/yes |
| 11:11.33 | pb_ | Okay. You could try temporarily removing the 0.7 feed from ipkg.conf. |
| 11:11.35 | florian | but i don't have 0.7 feed configured... |
| 11:11.51 | pb_ | Ah. What files do you have in /etc/ipkg? |
| 11:12.44 | florian | yes, i looked at this - only ipaqarch.conf |
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| 11:13.00 | pb_ | Strange. |
| 11:13.12 | dc_c700 | morning! |
| 11:13.16 | pb_ | When you do ipkg update, does it only mention the unstable feed? |
| 11:13.17 | pb_ | dc_c700: yo! |
| 11:13.22 | dc_c700 | .....? |
| 11:13.26 | florian | and omly kernel and familiar-unstable in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists |
| 11:13.31 | florian | hi dc_c700 |
| 11:13.35 | pb_ | florian: hrm. |
| 11:14.18 | pb_ | florian: That's very strange then. You might have to talk to Jamey when he gets to work. |
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| 11:15.46 | florian | pb_: unstable and 2.4.19 |
| 11:16.04 | pb_ | florian: right. |
| 11:16.12 | dc_c700 | pb_: did I mention I have openOBEX working really well with my T68i. |
| 11:16.35 | dc_c700 | I think I may be inclined to write a management program for it. |
| 11:16.40 | pb_ | dc_c700: Ah, no, you didn't. That sounds cool. |
| 11:16.54 | pb_ | dc_c700: Great. Is that with IrDA, or bluetooth? |
| 11:17.15 | dc_c700 | irda |
| 11:17.16 | dc_c700 | and using ircp |
| 11:17.24 | dc_c700 | suprisingly simple |
| 11:17.25 | pb_ | Right. |
| 11:17.40 | dc_c700 | I can send and recieve pictures, vcards etc... |
| 11:18.08 | pb_ | gpe-beam was intended to be an OBEX application, but I haven't really got anywhere with it so far. |
| 11:18.26 | dc_c700 | :] |
| 11:18.59 | florian | dc_c700: do we have an up to date package of gpe-filemanager? |
| 11:19.33 | pb_ | dc_c700: I think it'd also be good to have an IrDA panel application, a bit like gpe-bluetooth, to let you turn the IrDA on and off and stuff like that. |
| 11:19.37 | dc_c700 | pb_? |
| 11:19.41 | dc_c700 | hehe |
| 11:19.46 | pb_ | hm, not sure. |
| 11:19.49 | pb_ | let me check |
| 11:20.23 | pb_ | latest would appear to be 0.09, built April 24. |
| 11:20.33 | florian | pb_: forget these bugs - updating manually shows me that i didn't have the newest version :-/ |
| 11:20.34 | dc_c700 | pb_: ah yes, well...maybe after my exams, no doubt I'll have the motivation to atleast start somethig like that. |
| 11:20.43 | pb_ | dc_c700: excellent. |
| 11:21.09 | pb_ | florian: Okay. Let me know if the bugs persist with the new version? |
| 11:21.11 | dc_c700 | indeed.....although we still lack the gnome mime keys etc... file right? |
| 11:21.24 | pb_ | dc_c700: Yeah, I think so. |
| 11:21.46 | florian | pb_: no, shure they don't - works perfect now :-)) |
| 11:22.09 | pb_ | florian: aha, cool. :-) |
| 11:22.19 | florian | i'll remove them... |
| 11:23.21 | pb_ | Great. |
| 11:24.13 | florian | pb_: i think i would be a good idea to show the user if a pan connection was established or not... |
| 11:25.31 | pb_ | florian: Yeah. I think it's supposed to have some popup windows for that. |
| 11:26.55 | pb_ | Do you see the "Connecting to..." window? |
| 11:29.13 | dc_c700 | doh.....losing battery power. |
| 11:29.17 | pb_ | doh |
| 11:29.30 | dc_c700 | hum |
| 11:29.59 | dc_c700 | anyhow....it seems I need to construct myself some sort of external wifi aerial soon. |
| 11:30.39 | dc_c700 | had any experince with that pb_, florian? |
| 11:30.51 | pb_ | dc_c700: not me, sorry |
| 11:34.06 | dc_c700 | oh, I got my stylus fixed aswell |
| 11:34.06 | dc_c700 | thank god |
| 11:34.18 | pb_ | phew. |
| 11:35.45 | florian | pb_: changing the icon would be another idea... i don't like popups :-) |
| 11:36.23 | pb_ | florian: Yep, that's a thought too. |
| 11:37.00 | florian | dc_c700: not much, but a little bit... for which kind of connection do you need this? |
| 11:38.15 | dc_c700 | florian: something with at least 5-7db and 180 degrees spread |
| 11:39.38 | mallum | dc_c700: pringles can |
| 11:39.40 | dc_c700 | but I can't seem to find anything of the sort |
| 11:39.40 | dc_c700 | they're either fully omnidirectional, or highly directional |
| 11:41.57 | dc_c700 | =directional |
| 11:43.57 | dc_c700 | or so I've read |
| 11:43.57 | dc_c700 | morning mallum |
| 11:46.36 | florian | dc_c700: i think this is better for you than a pringles can solution: http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna4.html |
| 11:51.19 | dc_c700 | ah yes. |
| 11:53.20 | dc_c700 | is there any data on the spread? |
| 11:55.03 | dc_c700 | bahhhh mallum we really do need some sort of swap |
| 11:55.11 | florian | afaik not, but just try to google around... there are similar projects with more data and better instructions |
| 11:55.20 | dc_c700 | dillo keeps dying....or is it still leaky? |
| 11:55.55 | pb_ | It still leaks a little bit, but not anything like the torrential leaks it used to have. |
| 11:56.02 | dc_c700 | heh |
| 11:56.06 | mallum | dc_c700: stick an sd/mmc card in and use that as swap |
| 11:56.37 | pb_ | I think you tend to lose a few kilobytes per page loaded, so in a long browsing session that could be a problem. |
| 11:57.00 | mallum | dc_c700: just google for zaurus and swap , theres lots of pages on setting it up |
| 11:57.11 | florian | bl |
| 11:58.07 | dc_c700 | mallum: ah cool. |
| 12:01.37 | dc_c700 | bbl |
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| 12:45.59 | pierre | pb_: in bootldr, should "md5sum bootldr" returning the same as bootldr-2.19.75.bin.md5sum? |
| 12:48.59 | cmarqu_werk | pierre: Did you try xkbd-layout-fr_0.01_all.ipk (from unstable) by chance? |
| 12:49.53 | pierre | no I see it on the list, but haven't try for now |
| 12:50.24 | pierre | I'm not a fanatic of french keyboard.. |
| 12:51.28 | pierre | I ve tested to start converting filename to UTF8 but some apps (xmms) doesnt seem to support it |
| 12:52.41 | pierre | cmarqu: rox-filer itself make me convert my names to utf8 then it doesnt use it everywhere |
| 12:53.00 | pierre | (when you rename a file on a directory with UTF8 accents) |
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| 12:58.14 | florian_ | re+ |
| 13:03.46 | cmarqu_werk | pierre: I guess xmms itself would need to run under a UTF-8 locale. |
| 13:03.58 | cmarqu_werk | Hi florian_ |
| 13:04.17 | florian_ | i have one applet in gpe-conf that doesn't want to work with gpe-what :-/ |
| 13:04.26 | florian_ | cmarqu_werk: hi |
| 13:05.41 | pb_ | pierre: Probably not, no. |
| 13:06.04 | pb_ | florian_: Ah, which is that? |
| 13:06.53 | florian_ | pb_: network - i added some tooltips - but i only get tips for the toolbar.... |
| 13:07.05 | pierre | pb_ so I can safely reboot if the transfer as worked well? |
| 13:07.32 | pb_ | pierre: If you didn't get any error messages, yes, it should be safe to reboot. |
| 13:07.51 | pierre | pb_:thanks |
| 13:08.14 | pb_ | florian_: Weird. |
| 13:08.17 | florian_ | pb_: what do i need to do? add the tips to the tooltips object and add this as data to a toplevel container widget |
| 13:09.04 | pb_ | florian_: It should just be a case of creating a GtkTooltips and adding the tips to it. Take a look at gpe-bluetooth/main.c for example. |
| 13:09.37 | florian_ | well, it works with some other apps... |
| 13:11.28 | pierre | btw, do you know how to format/fsck a fat32 CF without a laptop? |
| 13:12.38 | pb_ | I think the e2fsprogs ipk includes mke2fs and e2fsck. |
| 13:12.54 | pb_ | oh, sorry, fat32. |
| 13:13.10 | pierre | yes :) |
| 13:13.18 | pb_ | I think there's a mkfs.vfat in Familiar, though I don't remember which package it's in. |
| 13:13.44 | pierre | ipkgfind? |
| 13:13.46 | pb_ | Ah, dosfstools |
| 13:14.03 | florian_ | hmm, thats what i do... |
| 13:14.34 | pb_ | florian_: is there anything unusual about the network applet? |
| 13:19.10 | florian_ | pb_: not much - maybe that some widgets are created dynamically... but this is nothing more than with the other applets |
| 13:19.52 | spung | ah, yesterday night some guy was compiling GPE on netbsd on some handheld device or something |
| 13:20.18 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 13:20.32 | spung | mallum: pong |
| 13:21.16 | mallum | spung: hey |
| 13:21.39 | florian_ | spung: huh?! netbsd on a handheld device?! |
| 13:22.00 | mallum | spung: that post to gpe list about a completely transparent cursor theme ... the guy already made one |
| 13:22.35 | spung | florian_: well, not that surprising, netbsd supports far more platforms than linux |
| 13:23.23 | pb_ | spung: true, but most of those are VAXes and other famously non-handheld units. |
| 13:23.58 | pb_ | I think netbsd does run on some of the jornadas though. |
| 13:24.39 | florian_ | spung: yep, really but mostly not on handheld devices or not? |
| 13:24.40 | spung | mallum: ah, hm.. maybe i didnt express myself correctly, it's "Queima das Feitas" week here in coimbra.. but what i understood is that he is making some of those icons non-transparent, i was just saying he could keep a all-transparent theme.. |
| 13:24.51 | florian_ | :-) |
| 13:25.15 | spung | florian_: yeah, i guess, im not sure it was a handheld, but it had a tiny screen |
| 13:25.42 | spung | whats an HPC? |
| 13:25.49 | mallum | netbsd runs on more handhelds than Linux I think |
| 13:26.12 | mallum | of course tinyX wont run on it though :/ |
| 13:27.04 | florian_ | a hp300 is no handheld too ;-) |
| 13:27.32 | pb_ | florian_: ah, linux runs on hp300 anyway :-) |
| 13:27.57 | spung | well |
| 13:28.05 | spung | it was an HPC |
| 13:28.14 | spung | whatever that is |
| 13:28.14 | pb_ | florian_: is gpe-conf up to date in cvs? if so, I will take a look at your tooltips thing. |
| 13:28.35 | florian_ | pb_: this is strange: i add one string as a tooltip to two widgets - but it shows up on only one.... |
| 13:28.36 | pb_ | spung: jornada, i think. |
| 13:29.02 | florian_ | pb_: not yet, i was just workin on that... |
| 13:29.11 | spung | well he said netbsd had better support that linux so that's why he was using netbsd |
| 13:29.15 | pb_ | florian_: okay. ping me when it's in. |
| 13:29.21 | spung | s/that/than |
| 13:29.35 | florian_ | pb_: ok |
| 13:29.43 | pb_ | spung: could well be. linux support for most jornadas is quite poor. |
| 13:30.58 | mallum | pb_: I should warn you the mbtray api is changing completely |
| 13:31.10 | pb_ | mallum: ah. |
| 13:35.10 | mallum | pb_: it should be pretty easy to convert anything over though |
| 13:52.59 | florian_ | pb_: i know what it is, but i have no idea why... tooltips for entrys don't work :-/ |
| 13:57.32 | mallum | pb_: oh yeah, and did you try out the transparent cursor thing on the gpe list ? |
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| 14:20.13 | florian_ | pb_: i you want to play with gpe-conf in this case - it's in |
| 14:20.23 | florian_ | pb_: ping... |
| 14:20.35 | florian_ | oh, bbl |
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| 14:26.30 | pb_ | mallum: not yet. |
| 14:28.18 | mallum | pb_: okey, well when you get a chance give it a go. Id like to use that for transparent cursors rather than what we have at the moment and wrip the hidden cursor stuff out of matchbox |
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| 14:52.55 | jg | pb_: I'm having trouble doing an upgrade.... |
| 14:53.14 | pb_ | jg: what kind of trouble? |
| 14:54.37 | jg | pb_: I have unstable in my ipkg.conf, I started getting messages: ipkg install sshd |
| 14:54.38 | jg | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for sshd: |
| 14:54.38 | jg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.11 | pb_ | jg: ah yes. Kero seems to feel that is an ipkg bug. |
| 14:55.45 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=802 |
| 14:56.57 | jg | so my upgrades entirely fail. |
| 14:57.03 | jg | nasty bug.... |
| 14:58.41 | jg | pb_: I'll go talk to Jamey about it... |
| 14:59.55 | pb_ | jg: good plan. |
| 15:31.44 | elhazard | has anyone managed to compile gpe under netBSD? |
| 15:34.29 | elhazard | hrm... is anyone awake? |
| 15:35.54 | jg | elhazard: your first quest is to get a good netbsd running... |
| 15:36.23 | elhazard | done that |
| 15:36.48 | elhazard | i've got both netBSD running on an x86 machine and on a MIPS machine |
| 15:36.55 | elhazard | i'm trying to cross compile binaries for the MIPS machine from the x86 machine |
| 15:37.02 | elhazard | since the MIPS machine is my HPC |
| 15:37.36 | elhazard | though the only apps that i want are calendar, contacts, minicalc, sketchbook, and todo |
| 15:37.49 | elhazard | which libs should i have compiled to have those work happily? |
| 15:37.50 | jg | you want to run them under Netbsd on your desktop? |
| 15:38.07 | jg | I thought you meant on an iPAQ or equivalent.... |
| 15:38.11 | elhazard | well, the target machine is a handheld machine |
| 15:38.22 | elhazard | it's a Mobilepro 770 |
| 15:38.34 | elhazard | which I've got running netBSD 1.6 |
| 15:38.38 | elhazard | on a 256MB CF card |
| 15:38.51 | elhazard | so i can't compile the stuff on the 770 |
| 15:39.02 | elhazard | so i'm trying to first compile them on an x86 netBSD machine |
| 15:39.06 | jg | elhazard: you probably want to talk to pb or mallum.... |
| 15:39.10 | elhazard | then cross compile them for the MIPS machine |
| 15:39.16 | elhazard | ah |
| 15:39.17 | elhazard | okays |
| 15:39.30 | elhazard | any idea which libs are required for which applications? |
| 15:46.37 | mallum | elhazard: matchbox should already be in netbsd |
| 15:47.34 | mallum | elhazard: you have X running ? |
| 15:47.39 | elhazard | yup |
| 15:47.48 | elhazard | i have icewm running as my window manager atm |
| 15:48.01 | elhazard | and i wasn't aware that you needed to run matchbox as a wm |
| 15:48.22 | mallum | elhazard: you dont, but its designed for handheld devices , whilst icewm isn't |
| 15:48.29 | elhazard | true |
| 15:48.41 | mallum | elhazard: you have gtk2 libs ? |
| 15:48.41 | elhazard | hrm.. |
| 15:48.48 | elhazard | i can compile them |
| 15:49.10 | elhazard | one of the things i have to keep in mind is diskspace |
| 15:49.14 | elhazard | i don't have much left at all |
| 15:49.28 | mallum | elhazard: once you have them gpe should build |
| 15:49.32 | elhazard | out of a 256MB CF card i've got maybe 50MB left |
| 15:49.47 | elhazard | mallum: which libs do i absolutly need for the apps i listed above? |
| 15:57.57 | elhazard | how would i get libMB support into all the GPE applications? |
| 15:58.03 | elhazard | or does it just do it automagically? |
| 15:59.34 | mallum | elhazard: you'll need gtk2 for the above apps |
| 15:59.46 | mallum | elhazard: and sql-lite |
| 15:59.51 | elhazard | anything else? |
| 16:00.20 | mallum | a prayer ;-) |
| 16:00.27 | elhazard | hehe |
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| 16:01.14 | jsmanrique | hello |
| 16:01.20 | elhazard | lo |
| 16:01.39 | mallum | hey jsmanrique |
| 16:02.58 | jsmanrique | pb_ : could you explain me again the idea for Journal like app for GPE? |
| 16:03.32 | jsmanrique | I have tried Microsft Journal app on a tabletpc and it is great (even to be m$ app) :-D |
| 16:04.02 | jsmanrique | I would like it run system commands like gedit do |
| 16:04.39 | jsmanrique | or better, to work as Texmacs that can run math sessions, like maxima, giac or gnuplot, so it would be nice for students |
| 16:06.08 | jsmanrique | just something like sketch to take notes on class, that could open math sessions and use xkbd to calculate things, insert graphics, and those things people do at class |
| 16:06.58 | pb_ | jsmanrique: I don't think there's any detailed plan for the notebook/journal program yet. Nobody is working on it as far as I know. |
| 16:07.12 | mallum | jsmanrique: its a pretty big task .... |
| 16:08.47 | elhazard | how does one make their X RandR aware? |
| 16:12.29 | elhazard | also what does XSettings provide? |
| 16:15.04 | pb_ | I think you need to be using the kdrive xserver to get full RandR support. |
| 16:15.56 | pb_ | XSETTINGS provides global per-user desktop preferences. Some GPE programs overload that mechanism to store their own preferences as well. |
| 16:17.23 | elhazard | in the Matchbox documentation |
| 16:17.37 | elhazard | it says that you should add the following line to the xinitrc file |
| 16:17.44 | elhazard | mbstart --orientation south & |
| 16:17.49 | elhazard | though there isn't any mbstart program |
| 16:17.56 | elhazard | i'm guessing that's a typo? |
| 16:18.14 | pb_ | I think mbstart is a script that ships with matchbox. |
| 16:18.15 | elhazard | and if so which program is it supposed to be? |
| 16:19.06 | elhazard | where would it be? |
| 16:19.10 | pb_ | the --orientation sounds more like the kind of thing you'd pass to mbdock though. |
| 16:20.06 | mallum | elhazard: did you grab matchbox from netbsd ? |
| 16:20.12 | elhazard | nope |
| 16:20.16 | elhazard | i grabbed the 0.5 source |
| 16:20.57 | elhazard | though X doesn't start and returns an xauth error |
| 16:21.20 | mallum | mbstart is in mbsrc/packaging/ipkg/ |
| 16:21.45 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 16:21.52 | elhazard | where would libX11.so.6 reside? |
| 16:22.13 | elhazard | nm |
| 16:22.17 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 16:22.28 | elhazard | so why can't it find it... |
| 16:22.59 | pb_ | might need -rpath or something. |
| 16:23.26 | elhazard | dammit |
| 16:23.29 | mallum | elhazard: where is it ? |
| 16:23.31 | elhazard | stupid netbsd |
| 16:23.49 | elhazard | in /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 16:23.52 | elhazard | being happy |
| 16:23.57 | elhazard | though matchbox can't find it |
| 16:24.59 | mallum | elhazard: that was a typo in the mb manual, I've fixed it :-) |
| 16:25.16 | mallum | elhazard: matchbox build or matchbox binary ? |
| 16:25.41 | elhazard | the matchbox binary |
| 16:25.44 | elhazard | it builds happily |
| 16:26.23 | mallum | elhazard: you linker on netbsd needs to be told to look in /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 16:26.31 | mallum | elhazard: thats not matchbox's fualt |
| 16:26.34 | elhazard | yeah |
| 16:26.41 | elhazard | netbsd's ld.so.conf is all messed up |
| 16:26.54 | mallum | just add /usr/X11R6/lib to that ? |
| 16:28.11 | elhazard | woo |
| 16:28.12 | elhazard | there it goes |
| 16:28.20 | elhazard | urk |
| 16:28.34 | elhazard | the fonts are all veeeeery small |
| 16:29.18 | jsmanrique | pb_ mallum: yes, it is a big task. I was thinking about working on gEdit adding sketch support or similar as start. Maybe talking with gedit people would be a start |
| 16:30.21 | mallum | elhazard: maybe the dpi is wrong for your Xserver ? |
| 16:30.34 | elhazard | mebe |
| 16:30.38 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 16:30.55 | elhazard | where would the data that's supposed to be in /usr/local/share/matchbox/vfolders supposed to be? |
| 16:31.12 | elhazard | cause i can't currently do anything with the matchbox install |
| 16:31.33 | mallum | elhazard: ignore that warning |
| 16:32.11 | elhazard | so how would i get matchbox to do something useful |
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| 16:34.07 | mallum | elhazard: run some applications ? |
| 16:34.57 | elhazard | err... |
| 16:34.59 | elhazard | how? |
| 16:35.06 | elhazard | i have the clock and app launcher running |
| 16:35.12 | elhazard | the term launcher doesn't work |
| 16:36.01 | mallum | maybe you dont have rxvt installed |
| 16:36.10 | elhazard | that's prolly the case |
| 16:36.40 | mallum | probably a good idea for your next app to install |
| 16:36.58 | mallum | you have the touchscreen/keyboard working good on the device ? |
| 16:37.13 | elhazard | yes |
| 16:37.20 | elhazard | this is a x86 box |
| 16:37.42 | elhazard | i'm just testing things out before i go through the long task of building it for the MIPS machine |
| 16:37.58 | elhazard | that though, has a touchscreen and a keyboard\ |
| 16:38.27 | mallum | ok, you have drivers for them ? |
| 16:38.36 | elhazard | yes |
| 16:38.51 | elhazard | i've been using the device happily for about 2 years running icewm and netbsd |
| 16:38.56 | mallum | cool, you have a url for the device ? |
| 16:39.00 | elhazard | and ssh'ing into my main machine |
| 16:39.03 | elhazard | and using things from there |
| 16:39.04 | elhazard | hangon |
| 16:39.06 | elhazard | lemme find |
| 16:39.41 | elhazard | http://support.neccomp.com/hardware/handhelds/MobilePro770/ |
| 16:39.48 | elhazard | it runs netbsd very happily |
| 16:40.06 | elhazard | everything works aside from sound |
| 16:40.10 | elhazard | oh and the battery level |
| 16:40.21 | elhazard | but it does go into standby mode before the battery runs out |
| 16:41.11 | mallum | elhazard: looks nice |
| 16:41.17 | elhazard | it is |
| 16:41.30 | mallum | elhazard: gpe may be a bit much for it though :\ as only 133mhz and 32mb of ram |
| 16:41.46 | mallum | elhazard: especially with bigger display |
| 16:41.48 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 16:42.08 | elhazard | i thought the point of GPE was that it was very CPU/memort efficient |
| 16:42.34 | elhazard | hrm... |
| 16:42.38 | elhazard | rxvt is installed |
| 16:42.45 | elhazard | and the term launcher doesn't work |
| 16:43.07 | mallum | what happens |
| 16:43.29 | elhazard | nothing... |
| 16:43.38 | elhazard | i click on term launcher and nothing happens |
| 16:43.44 | mallum | can you run rxvt from else where ? |
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| 16:44.19 | elhazard | yes, if i use a different WM that allows me to open a shell |
| 16:48.42 | mallum | elhazard: I meant, see if you can run rxvt from a ssh connection or summin |
| 16:49.20 | mallum | elhazard: I suspect netbsd hasn't put /usr/X11R6/bin in your path |
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| 18:44.35 | pb_ | hi NonToxic |
| 18:45.27 | NonToxic | yo pb_ |
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| 19:17.24 | dc_ | :-} |
| 19:17.33 | pb_ | dc_: afternoon |
| 19:20.12 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for florian: please try libgpewidget 0.62 and see if it fixes your gpe-what problem. |
| 19:21.41 | pb_ | NonToxic: we should get your X port of sfcave included in familiar 0.7 |
| 19:21.52 | NonToxic | hehe, I'll talk to nelson |
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| 22:21.26 | pigeon | Yo dc___ |
| 22:22.16 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
| 22:22.24 | pigeon | Hey pb_! |
| 22:23.27 | pigeon | Heh... been playing with the parrot loader recently. |
| 22:23.55 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 22:24.29 | pigeon | Just upgraded that ppc2000 to ppc2002 last night. |
| 22:24.58 | pb_ | Oh right, cool. Where did you find an image in the end? |
| 22:25.01 | pigeon | Even so it's a 16mb flash version of 2002. |
| 22:25.10 | pigeon | I ended up using compaq's tool :) |
| 22:25.20 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 22:25.32 | pigeon | I downloaded the 2000 upgrade tool, and got it to upgrade to 2002 for me |
| 22:26.00 | pigeon | The 2002 upgrade program doesn't like upgrading 2000 to 2002. |
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| 22:27.38 | pigeon | But then I can force the 2000 upgrade program to use 2002's rom ;) |
| 22:28.21 | pigeon | It was a pity though this 3630 got only 16mb flash, or I could flash the chinese ppc for my gf :\ |
| 22:31.03 | pb_ | Yeah, that's the trouble with 3600s. They are starting to seem a bit underequipped in the flash stakes nowadays. |
| 22:52.28 | pigeon | Hmm... flash upgrade... |
| 23:02.33 | pb_ | Yeah, you can get upgrades, but it's probably cheaper to buy a secondhand 3700 or 3800 unit instead. |
| 23:03.08 | pigeon | Really? |
| 23:03.34 | pigeon | Been looking on ebay for a while. |
| 23:07.22 | pigeon | Most of them aren't that cheap. |
| 23:07.29 | pb_ | Well, pocketpctechs.com want US$179 for a 16->32MB flash upgrade. I'm fairly sure you should be able to find a 3700 for under US$100. |
| 23:07.54 | dc___ | hey pigeon dude |
| 23:07.59 | pigeon | Under 100... hmm... couldn't really find any. |
| 23:08.02 | pigeon | dc___: :))))))))))))))))))) |
| 23:08.36 | dc___ | :-\ |
| 23:08.45 | dc___ | yay |
| 23:08.49 | dc___ | I have swap on my c70 |
| 23:08.50 | dc___ | 0 |
| 23:08.54 | dc___ | thank god. |
| 23:08.56 | pb_ | yay. |
| 23:08.59 | __moray | dc___: swapping onto what? |
| 23:09.04 | dc___ | alllthough |
| 23:09.04 | __moray | (greetings) |
| 23:09.06 | dc___ | it's on cf. |
| 23:09.08 | __moray | ouch |
| 23:09.14 | dc___ | so I can't use wifi at the same time :-\ |
| 23:09.18 | dc___ | it's a very cheap card. |
| 23:09.23 | dc___ | so it's not that 'bad' |
| 23:09.36 | __moray | true, CF is fairly cheap in general I suppose. |
| 23:10.00 | dc___ | indeed. |
| 23:11.07 | dc___ | hrmmmmmmmm |
| 23:11.12 | dc___ | okay. |
| 23:11.19 | dc___ | that's strange...there go all my applications. |
| 23:11.42 | dc___ | everything just dies.. |
| 23:11.44 | dc___ | *died |
| 23:11.47 | dc___ | except for X. |
| 23:11.51 | dc___ | how nice. |
| 23:11.52 | pb_ | suck. |
| 23:12.16 | dc___ | I hope swapping-ness didn't just cause that |
| 23:12.29 | pb_ | if your WM (or other session leader) dies, it will usually take the rest of the session with it. |
| 23:14.39 | dc___ | ah okay |
| 23:15.03 | pb_ | You might find some clues in .xsession-errors, possibly. |
| 23:15.21 | __moray | pb_: always the optimist ;) |
| 23:15.30 | pb_ | :-} |
| 23:16.00 | dc___ | not anything X like. |
| 23:16.02 | dc___ | just gtk stuff |
| 23:16.05 | dc___ | not errors.. |
| 23:16.10 | pb_ | oh well. |
| 23:16.15 | dc___ | :-/ |
| 23:16.23 | pb_ | if a program just segfaults, it won't log anything there. |
| 23:16.31 | dc___ | ah right |
| 23:18.18 | dc___ | hum |
| 23:18.40 | dc___ | how might I see what device/file is currently being used as swap? |
| 23:18.47 | pb_ | cat /proc/swaps? |
| 23:19.13 | dc___ | ah cool |
| 23:21.57 | pigeon | How's 0.7 going btw? |
| 23:23.26 | pigeon | Hmm really tempted to get a 36xx touchscreen and replace it myself. |
| 23:23.53 | pb_ | 0.7 is going well. Still a few documentation issues to sort out. |
| 23:28.48 | pb_ | Should have rc2 images soon, subject to Russ having enough spare time to build and release them. |
| 23:32.27 | pigeon | ! |
| 23:32.55 | pigeon | http://www.services.foxconn.com/store/default.asp?Category.id={6F1B1CED-6095-4910-993F-120DF86B5E7E}&Currentpage=3&Category.name=36xx |
| 23:33.06 | pigeon | Those jackets are free apparently. |
| 23:34.01 | pb_ | heh, so it seems. |