| 00:01.41 | dc__ | wince feed, hehe. |
| 00:02.37 | pb_ | heh, yeah, that's a bit of a silly name for it. |
| 00:07.46 | pb_ | dc__: btw, in filemanager, could you just use gnome_vfs_move() rather than gnome_vfs_move_uri(gnome_vfs_uri_new(), gnome_vfs_uri_new())? |
| 00:08.16 | dc__ | pb_: then I have to prefix file:// |
| 00:08.29 | pb_ | dc__: ah, I see. |
| 00:09.05 | dc__ | which is ugly :/ |
| 00:09.10 | pb_ | dc__: I was a bit nervous that it might be leaking GnomeVFSURI objects the way it is, though I'm not sure about that. |
| 00:09.25 | dc__ | ah |
| 00:09.25 | dc__ | :[ |
| 00:09.55 | pb_ | might need to keep a pointer to the uris so that you can gnome_vfs_uri_unref() them afterwards. |
| 00:10.10 | dc__ | ah right |
| 00:10.49 | pb_ | anyway, probably not a big deal right at the moment. you'd have to delete unfeasibly many files for it to actually cause a problem. |
| 00:14.05 | dc__ | indeed. |
| 00:14.07 | dc__ | anyway |
| 00:14.10 | dc__ | 8am tomorrow. |
| 00:14.25 | dc__ | dunno what I'm doing up at this time scping oggs to my c700 |
| 00:14.32 | pb_ | quite. |
| 00:14.44 | dc__ | xmms does look so smart though. |
| 00:14.47 | dc__ | anyhow, sleep now. |
| 00:14.52 | dc__ | pb_: night then |
| 00:14.54 | pb_ | night. |
| 00:14.54 | mallum | dc__: doe it work ok with mb ? |
| 00:15.18 | dc__ | mallum: yep :D |
| 00:15.26 | dc__ | mallum: it just stays ontop, but works fine. |
| 00:15.28 | mallum | dc__: cool like a floating win ? |
| 00:15.31 | dc__ | yep. |
| 00:15.37 | mallum | dc__: cool, phew :-) |
| 00:15.43 | dc__ | mallum: you should try it, grab the deb if you have time. |
| 00:15.56 | mallum | dc__: yeah will do, what was up with the deb ? |
| 00:16.32 | dc__ | nothing, works fine, just install the libvorbis ipks from unstable...then relink them so xmms can find them. |
| 00:16.37 | dc__ | mallum: i.e. ln -s |
| 00:16.54 | dc__ | mallum: as the unstable ipks have fixfp in the names. |
| 00:17.01 | mallum | dc__: cool |
| 00:17.08 | mallum | dc__: xmms from debian ? |
| 00:17.11 | dc__ | mallum: plus xmms will tell you if it can't find a lib at statup, so it's not too hard. |
| 00:17.19 | dc__ | mallum: yes, debian unstable. |
| 00:17.57 | mallum | dc__: okey |
| 00:18.18 | mallum | dc__: its a pity the X speed sucks in landscape :( |
| 00:19.27 | dc__ | indeed. |
| 00:19.48 | dc__ | ewwww.it seems it takes ages to start playing an mp3...although oggs start playing almost instantly |
| 00:19.53 | dc__ | ew. |
| 00:20.04 | mallum | dc__: whats it using to decode the mp3 |
| 00:20.04 | dc__ | I must lack the mp3 no fp lib. |
| 00:20.24 | dc__ | libmpg123.so aparently. |
| 00:20.27 | mallum | dc__: libmad |
| 00:21.20 | mallum | dc__: I wonder what video performance is like on it writing stait to the fb |
| 00:21.20 | dc__ | relink libmad to mpg123 |
| 00:21.25 | dc__ | ? |
| 00:21.38 | dc__ | I guess I need a libmad xmms plugin |
| 00:21.44 | mallum | yeah |
| 00:27.30 | dc__ | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xmms-mad/xmms-mad_0.5.3-3_arm.deb |
| 00:27.31 | dc__ | :} |
| 00:28.37 | dc__ | mallum: great :D |
| 00:28.43 | dc__ | mallum: works wonderfully now |
| 00:29.58 | dc__ | it'd be nice to package a c700 ipkg of xmms with a nice xmodmap file ;) |
| 00:30.03 | dc__ | anyhow sleep now. |
| 00:30.04 | dc__ | mallum: thanks. |
| 00:30.14 | mallum | dc__: np :-) |
| 00:30.19 | mallum | dc__: sleep well |
| 00:30.22 | dc__ | :D |
| 01:22.16 | pigeon | pb_: Oh thanks. |
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| 09:18.06 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 09:18.09 | PaxAnima | hey,mallum |
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| 09:18.45 | florian | hi all |
| 09:18.57 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 09:19.44 | florian | i managed to make gpsdrive run with familiar again :-) |
| 09:29.12 | mallum | heylo |
| 09:38.14 | florian | hi mallum |
| 09:44.35 | mallum | hey florian |
| 10:58.36 | mallum | anyone here with a zaurus ? |
| 11:00.07 | florian | hmm.. i have a SL-5000 here, with a quite old image... |
| 11:01.57 | mallum | florian: I have a working X image for it, if you want to play |
| 11:02.18 | mallum | florian: you get X , matchbox and rxvt |
| 11:02.38 | florian | mallum: wee, cool! i think i want... :-)) |
| 11:02.40 | mallum | florian: you bodge gpe packages from familiar |
| 11:02.48 | mallum | florian: okey I'll upload it |
| 11:03.45 | florian | oh yeah.... we need some support for it's keyboard and some other settings... |
| 11:05.47 | mallum | florian: the keyboard is set up, also I have a modmap for the 'special' keys to make it similar to ipaq - Im not sure if that made it into this image though |
| 11:05.55 | mallum | florian: but I'll upload those shortley |
| 11:06.08 | mallum | florian: image is uploading btw |
| 11:06.32 | mallum | florian: its 20mb |
| 11:08.12 | florian | urks... ok - tell me where to find it - i think this will have till this evening... |
| 11:09.33 | mallum | florian: okey you on slow link there ? |
| 11:14.01 | florian | mallum: yes, slow and not flat :-/ But Nils is fightning for our new connection right now :-) |
| 11:14.03 | mallum | florian: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xpkgs/collie/ |
| 11:14.34 | mallum | florian: grab those and follow the flashing instructions on openzuarus.sf.net |
| 11:15.39 | mallum | florian: do you work at the same physical location as nils ? |
| 11:15.45 | florian | mallum: great, thanks - now i'll tell Nils that i'll _need_ to reflash his Zaurus ;-) |
| 11:16.32 | florian | mallum: yep, i do - the faster internet connection is at home :-/ |
| 11:16.47 | mallum | florian: aha, do you have an office ? |
| 11:18.27 | florian | mallum: hmm, more or less - at kc we share some rooms for soft- and hardware development. at home i share my office with my printserver and a workstation collection ;-) |
| 11:22.24 | florian | yeah, a dedicated office is fine... two are better.... ;-) |
| 11:24.29 | mallum | florian: ah yes, the famous workstation collection :-) |
| 11:24.42 | mallum | florian: did you get X up on the sgi machine in the end ? |
| 11:30.40 | florian | mallum: i know some people with real cool collections... :-) |
| 11:32.42 | florian | mallum: i had not really time to try - maybe there is a problem with the framebuffer setup in this kernel... i have no idea if other machines really use a 32 bit framebuffer... |
| 11:40.21 | florian | bbl |
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| 12:38.24 | stargirl | who here has an ibook? |
| 12:40.13 | mallum | stargirl: I have a tibook, dc and pb have ibooks |
| 12:40.19 | mallum | stargirl: whats up ? |
| 12:40.45 | stargirl | I'm considering buying an ibook |
| 12:40.56 | stargirl | but I can't decide if I should get an ibook or a dell x200 |
| 12:41.04 | stargirl | and I want views and opinions from the masses :-) |
| 12:41.16 | PaxAnima | dell x200? |
| 12:41.23 | mallum | you have a url for the dell ? |
| 12:41.29 | stargirl | yeah, hold on |
| 12:42.10 | stargirl | http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/uk/enu/pub/products/model_latit_latit_x200.htm |
| 12:43.39 | mallum | stargirl: I reckon the ibook would kick its arse |
| 12:43.54 | mallum | stargirl: only thing missing is pcmcia slot in ibook |
| 12:44.18 | stargirl | why do you reckon the ibook's better? |
| 12:44.33 | stargirl | oh and does anyone know where (and for how much) I can get 3 year accidental damage on the ibook? |
| 12:45.33 | PaxAnima | the x200 looked nice... unless you plan to use OS X, I don't see a reason for not buying it? |
| 12:47.00 | PaxAnima | stargirl: what's the price difference? |
| 12:47.32 | stargirl | well dell will give me the x200 for 1300 inc. 3 year accidental damage and a spare long life battery |
| 12:47.50 | stargirl | the ibook's around 1000 for near enough the same spec without long life battery and accidental damage |
| 12:48.04 | mallum | stargirl: you'll get better battery life from the ibook, it looks cooler and is more chic ( improtant for a girl right ), and I reckon an 800mhz ibook will whip the 933 pIII |
| 12:48.40 | stargirl | mallum: okay, cool -- battery life is the most important thing really (behind the appearance of the thing) |
| 12:48.49 | stargirl | and yes, the chicness is obv. a big factor :-) |
| 12:49.24 | mallum | stargirl: also it seems like its pretty close to being able to run wine apps on powerpc :-) |
| 12:49.49 | mallum | stargirl: and you can always run osx/os9 under mol from within Linux at good speed |
| 12:50.04 | stargirl | yeah that's very true |
| 12:50.09 | stargirl | and I like the fact that it's not x86 |
| 12:50.14 | PaxAnima | stargirl: why a Dell, if you're thinking of a x86 computer? |
| 12:50.21 | mallum | stargirl: apple do do some support contract I think, I never got it though - though its meant to be good |
| 12:50.45 | stargirl | PaxAnima: because I like the smallness of the dell, and the x86ness is just something I'd have to deal with ;-) |
| 12:50.58 | stargirl | mallum: I think the apple thing is just parts and warranty, rather than accidental damage though |
| 12:51.17 | __moray | stargirl: phone them and ask? |
| 12:51.30 | mallum | stargirl: okey, I put mine on the house insurance - it wasn't very much |
| 12:51.34 | stargirl | ahhh okay |
| 12:51.38 | stargirl | __moray: yeah I think I will |
| 12:52.09 | mallum | stargirl: powerpc sleeps and wakes up much better/ quicker than x86 too |
| 12:52.17 | stargirl | yeah true |
| 12:52.22 | PaxAnima | mallum: oh? |
| 12:52.39 | mallum | stargirl: just make sure you dont get an ibook with an nvidia chip ! ( not sure if the ibooks have them yet ) |
| 12:53.06 | mallum | my friend who's an apple developer said that apparently apple are ditching nvidia for next tibooks :-) and going back to ati :-)) |
| 12:58.25 | stargirl | okay I've just phoned apple |
| 12:58.37 | stargirl | the ibook definitely has the ati chip |
| 12:58.39 | stargirl | whichis good |
| 12:58.44 | stargirl | but they don't do accidental damage |
| 12:58.49 | stargirl | and they don't know of anyone who dose |
| 12:58.50 | PaxAnima | wonder how the ibook compares to the new intel centrino laptops.. |
| 12:58.52 | stargirl | which is a bit annoying |
| 12:59.17 | PaxAnima | stargirl: which ibook are you thinking of? |
| 12:59.24 | mallum | PaxAnima: I dont think the wireless part of the centrino's is supported un LInux yet |
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| 13:02.18 | PaxAnima | mallum: about the size of my current laptop, but without all the nice features... |
| 13:02.32 | stargirl | oh gos that'se verysexy |
| 13:02.38 | stargirl | can you get those in teh UK? |
| 13:04.49 | mallum | stargirl: no, japan only :\ |
| 13:05.10 | stargirl | ahhh |
| 13:05.19 | PaxAnima | wow.. 950g.. that's almost too light |
| 13:05.52 | mallum | Id be a little dubious of the cpu speed, the tabletpc has a 1ghz celereon and it feels really slow |
| 13:06.14 | mallum | my 550 tibook definetly feels faster |
| 13:06.57 | PaxAnima | I gues on the use.. my 450mhz celeron runs fine.. |
| 13:09.06 | PaxAnima | hmm.. could almost use it as a tablet pc, as it has touchscreen... ,) |
| 13:15.32 | stargirl | hmm I can't find anyone who does laptop insurance and looks reputable |
| 13:15.49 | stargirl | I guess I could get room insurance |
| 13:15.54 | stargirl | and get it covered on that |
| 13:18.00 | __moray | stargirl: I don't know about accidental damage stuff in particular, but http://www.endsleigh.co.uk/frames_quotestudent.html |
| 13:18.23 | stargirl | oh hmm, apple's istudent rental progarm includes insurance from CPU insurance services, whoever they are |
| 13:24.30 | stargirl | okay CPU direct do 3 years breakdown warranty and 3 years theft and accidental damage for 320 quis |
| 13:24.34 | stargirl | gah |
| 13:24.36 | stargirl | which seems like kind of a lot |
| 13:24.39 | stargirl | quid |
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| 13:54.18 | florian | hi paul |
| 13:56.11 | paul | hi flo! |
| 13:56.27 | paul | how are things? |
| 13:59.06 | florian | tired... i could need a bed ;-) |
| 13:59.56 | paul | hacking all night? |
| 14:02.24 | florian | at least too long... :-./ |
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| 14:03.32 | florian | oops |
| 14:23.45 | florian | mallum: how do i make mbdesktop sart an app to the "other" folder?! |
| 14:27.04 | mallum | florian: just set its category to 'other' ? |
| 14:27.58 | florian | mallum: only "other" without anything else? |
| 14:28.36 | florian | mallum: or "Application;Other"? |
| 14:29.05 | mallum | florian: yeah that should do it |
| 14:30.36 | florian | mallum: ok, thanks - i'll try :-) |
| 14:56.00 | florian | mallum: "Application;Other" shows up on the main desktop... |
| 14:57.12 | florian | "Other" too |
| 15:09.27 | mallum | florian: doh, well thats fixed in this new version Im spose to be releasing ;-) |
| 15:17.44 | florian | mallum: ah, great :-) |
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| 18:07.41 | paul | very quiet here today. |
| 18:07.49 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 18:07.58 | paul | anyone know anything about GtkTreeView? |
| 18:08.13 | pb_ | I believe mallum is the treemaster, but I know a little about it. |
| 18:08.25 | paul | how's it work :) |
| 18:09.00 | pb_ | hah :-) well, there is some fine documentation you could read. |
| 18:09.04 | paul | pb_: i believe GTKClist's objects are involved some way, but i cant figure out how. (NB: i'm only just starting to look at it, so it may just be i need pointing at appropriate docs) |
| 18:09.13 | pb_ | no, it replaces GtkCList. |
| 18:09.17 | paul | pb_: oh.. |
| 18:09.39 | pb_ | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/TreeWidget.html would be the place to start. |
| 18:09.51 | paul | pb_: aha... |
| 18:09.54 | paul | pb_: perfect! |
| 18:10.54 | paul | pb_: i'd been looking at http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/GtkTreeView.html and not gaining much in the way of understanding. completely missing fact there was a higher level overview document. :) |
| 18:11.06 | pb_ | aha, right. |
| 18:11.43 | pb_ | also, there are several existing gpe programs that use list and tree views, so you could examine them by way of examples. |
| 18:11.52 | paul | yes, good idea. |
| 18:15.33 | paul | pb_: i've narrowed down my suspend/resume problem - its the driver for the netgear FA410 PCMCIA ethernet card. |
| 18:15.40 | pb_ | aha |
| 18:16.30 | paul | pb_: i cant quite remember what the driver is.. should the bug be filed with handhelds.org or should i go off and try find the driver author? |
| 18:16.45 | paul | author/maintainer |
| 18:17.51 | pb_ | either. the latter is perhaps more likely to achieve results, though :-) |
| 18:17.59 | paul | yes, i'd guess so. |
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| 20:26.36 | PaxAnima | :/ |
| 20:32.24 | prpplague^2 | servers me right for using rhat |
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| 21:51.33 | dc_ | brrrrr |
| 21:51.34 | dc_ | cold |
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| 23:09.58 | dc__ | what a quiet evening |
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| 23:28.34 | pb_ | evening. |
| 23:28.49 | cmarqu | Hi pb_ |
| 23:29.08 | dc__ | morning pb_ ;] |
| 23:29.10 | pb_ | cmarqu: Hi |
| 23:29.19 | dc__ | bed time for me now. |
| 23:29.25 | pb_ | dc__: yo. |
| 23:29.30 | dc__ | pb_: out late at the pub again eh ? |
| 23:29.39 | pb_ | dc__: :-} |
| 23:30.18 | dc__ | pb_: hehe, looked at gpe-filemanager yet? |
| 23:30.32 | pb_ | dc__: ah, not yet. |
| 23:30.47 | pb_ | dc__: I was on duty at ARM all day today, and same again tomorrow. |
| 23:30.56 | dc__ | pb_: ah, fun? |
| 23:31.43 | pb_ | Well, it passes the time of day. Not especially exciting work as these things go. |
| 23:31.55 | dc__ | right. |
| 23:31.57 | dc__ | anyhow. |
| 23:32.01 | dc__ | seep for me. |
| 23:32.05 | pb_ | night then. |
| 23:32.09 | dc__ | hopefully 6 hours of it :-\ |
| 23:32.14 | pb_ | hah. |
| 23:32.23 | pb_ | early start again tomorrow, huh? |
| 23:32.30 | dc__ | pb_: enjoy your fun day tomorrow then. |
| 23:32.33 | dc__ | pb_: yeah, school. |
| 23:32.35 | dc__ | hehe |
| 23:32.36 | dc__ | right. |
| 23:32.41 | pb_ | dc__: I will. |
| 23:33.45 | pb_ | cmarqu: just looking at your wireless config page. |
| 23:34.00 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah, good. |
| 23:34.28 | pb_ | Looks good to me. I'll try to come up with something for Bluetooth. |
| 23:35.38 | cmarqu | pb_: Great, thanks. |
| 23:35.41 | pb_ | In theory at least, the bluetooth thing is very straightforward. If you have a 3870 or 3970, gpe-bluetooth will start automatically when you log in. You just need to click on it, select "Switch radio on", bring up the list of devices and choose the one you want to connect to. |
| 23:36.35 | cmarqu | So two screensots should be enough already. |
| 23:36.51 | pb_ | With a bluetooth CF card on an ipaq that doesn't have it built in, things are rather more difficult -- probably sufficiently complicated that they should be documented separately. |
| 23:37.01 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yep. I'll make some shots tomorrow. |
| 23:37.49 | cmarqu | pb_: A BT CF card would require tweaking config files and such? |
| 23:38.01 | pb_ | Yeah. Also, we don't ship the drivers for CF cards in the bootstrap images. |
| 23:38.54 | cmarqu | Okay. So the GPE part in GPEBluetoothConfig doesn't really apply then. |
| 23:39.18 | cmarqu | Apart from the last step maybe. |
| 23:39.31 | pb_ | Right. You can't use them out of the box, anyway. |
| 23:40.34 | cmarqu | Different page then, yeah. |
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| 23:41.38 | pb_ | I don't have much of a clue about IrDA. I think Paul has that working though, so maybe he can help. |
| 23:42.29 | cmarqu | Ah, I'll ask him. |
| 23:43.39 | cmarqu | Though there is not much to say about the GPE side of things I suppose. Unless we have gpe-beam. |
| 23:44.57 | pb_ | Which we don't as far as I know. |
| 23:45.22 | pb_ | So yeah, I would agree that this seems mostly a non-GPE issue. |
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| 23:52.31 | mallum | hi |
| 23:52.45 | mallum | walters: hey there mr, what zuarus model do you have ? |
| 23:55.01 | walters | ah...sl5500 |
| 23:56.25 | walters | why what's up? |
| 23:56.38 | mallum | I have an X image for a 5000d |
| 23:56.55 | walters | ah |
| 23:56.56 | mallum | walters: I can build a 5500 one tommorow morning |
| 23:57.11 | walters | that'd be very cool :) |
| 23:57.36 | mallum | Its just recent X, matchbox and rxvt at the moment |
| 23:57.48 | walters | i am really looking forward to having gpe on here. |
| 23:57.49 | mallum | but you can bodge install gpe packages from familiar |
| 23:59.32 | mallum | walters: hopefully soon someone will get GPE into the OZ buildroot |
| 23:59.45 | mallum | walters: Im gonna try and package gtk2 as well |