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00:56.44masticatorcool. so GPE runs on the Zaurus now.
01:06.23walterswow
01:06.28waltershow do i acquire?
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03:06.02nelsonHrm.  Icon for a screen shot.  I wonder what it would look like?
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07:51.09florianmorning!
08:20.06paulhi flo!
08:20.55florianhi paul
08:23.04paulhow are things?
08:23.33florianmany bugs :-/
08:36.12paulas always..
08:36.34paulflorian: hmmm... how do i go about designing a UI? i have glade2, and i'm lost... :(
08:36.50pauli create a window... fine.
08:37.29paulnow, what i want is a tabbed set of windows (fine, i can see taht option), but i want a small frame/something underneath it.
08:39.15pauli could put a 2 pane vbox in the window, then tab widget in the top box, and something else in the bottom (going to use that something else widget to display some status info, what widget would be appropriate?)
08:40.36paulhow i control the relative sizes of the panes of the vbox though?
08:40.37paulgrrr..
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08:51.07pb_morning
08:52.44paulmorning pb
08:53.11pb_hi paul
08:54.20paulpb_: tested, fixed one or two things, and checked in dir and default support for gpe-login
08:54.23florianpb_: morning...
08:54.56pb_hi florian
08:55.23pb_paul: yep, saw your email.  sounds cool, though I haven't tried it yet.
08:56.12paulpb_: also, there's definitely a problem with suspend/resume.
08:56.28paulpb_: though, might be related to this netgear card.
08:58.17paulGtkMenuItem's - if i want a file selection dialogue box to pop-up when this type of widget gets the 'activate' signal, what do i do?
08:59.16pauli have a GtkFileSelection widget instantiated, how do i call it?
09:06.39pb_gtk_widget_show
09:10.42paulpb_: ta
09:11.32paulpb_: does libgpe have its own flavour for GTKCalendar?
09:11.41paulpb_: ie that popup calendar?
09:12.02pb_no, it's just a regular GtkCalendar I think.  Check gtkdatecombo in libgpewidget.
09:12.13paulk
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09:15.52florianhoh?!
09:19.21florianpaul: you change the size of the vbox by changing the behaviour of the widgets inside: e.g. if they should expand or shrink it
09:19.38paulflorian: yeah, sort of noticing that.
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09:22.40florianhi mallum
09:26.22mallumhey florian
09:26.50floriangpe-clock needs to know something about the timezone - looks like it sets an alarm in a utc time
09:27.06pb_florian: aha, that would explain your problems.
09:27.17pb_florian: I thought it was using localtime() throughout, but maybe not.
09:29.37florianpb_: ok, i don't know which version i used to set the alarm - but the 9:40 alarm started at 11:40
09:30.22pb_florian: okay, that's clearly not right.
09:31.03florianpb_: but first i'll try to fix gpe-contacts....
09:31.08pb_ok, cool.
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09:34.57PaxAnimamorning
09:35.19pb_hi PaxAnima
09:36.43florianhello PaxAnima
09:37.05PaxAnimahi, pb_ and florian
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10:41.01pb_bbl
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13:47.29florianhi
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14:32.59jsmanriquehi!
14:33.06jsmanriquegood afternoon
14:33.39mallumhello jsmanrique
14:34.35jsmanriquehow about that tc1100 tabletpc?
14:34.44jsmanriquehow is it running?
14:37.41mallumjsmanrique: ok, havn't hacked much with it
14:37.52mallumjsmanrique: my girlfriend uses it alot
14:38.06jsmanriquemallum : what are you working on now?
14:40.40mallumjsmanrique: matchbox stuff and getting X nice in openzuarus buildroot
14:45.18jsmanriquemallum : what is next for matchbox?
14:45.55mallumjsmanrique: playing with a lot of random stuff at the moment
14:46.04mallumjsmanrique: I need to optimise alot of it
14:46.13mallumjsmanrique: document
14:46.17mallumjsmanrique: improve
14:47.58mallumjsmanrique: oh I got a new phone yesterday so I have been playing with that too :-)
14:48.21jsmanriquemallum : new phone? smartphone?
14:49.29mallumjsmanrique: the p800
14:51.59jsmanriquewow!
14:52.33jsmanriquemallum : I have a t300 and it is a wonderful phone, so I can't imagine how better would be the p800
14:52.55jsmanriquemallum : as far as I know it is using a 200 MHz ARM9 processor, I think
14:53.19jsmanriqueis there any arm9 board running 75Mhz?
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15:01.02jsmanriqueis there any arm9 board running 75Mhz?
15:02.47mallumjsmanrique: I would guess it to be faster than 75mhz, if its not then symbian is very fast os ;-)
15:04.33jsmanriquemallum : no, the 75Mhz arm9 is other machine, not the p800
15:04.56jsmanriquemallum : I was trying to guess how manufacture 75MHz arm9 boards :-)
15:05.17jsmanriquewasn't suppose that arm9 is more powerfull than arm7?
15:06.00jsmanriquemallum : not how, but who
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15:59.29mallumhey dc__
15:59.43dc__afternoo
15:59.50dc__was back at school today :-\
16:06.12mallumdoh :(
16:06.27mallumdc__: got them X packages running nice on the Z 5000d now :-)
16:06.32mallumdc__: see scap for shots
16:06.36dc__ooh coooool
16:08.33dc__mallum: is that a larger mbdock?
16:11.15mallumdc__: no
16:11.48dc__must just be my c700 then
16:13.12mallumdc__: the dock needs to be bigger for the c700
16:13.17dc__I'm never going to get over the awsome resolution of it.
16:13.21dc__mallum: yes.
16:13.34mallumdc__: you can set the dock bigger, but all the panel apps will still be small
16:13.48dc__doh!
16:13.55mallumdc__: I've started working on making all the panel apps handle resizing
16:14.01dc__mallum: great!
16:14.19dc__mallum: then next I'll ask for realtime pannelapp bouncing like in OS X
16:14.34mallumdc__: you want that you can write it yourself
16:14.43mallumdc__: ;-)
16:14.45dc__mallum: obviouslt :)
16:15.20mallumdc__: the dock is full of crack thanks to people suggesting things like that ;-) ( and other stuff )
16:16.53PaxAnimaevening
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16:21.14mallumhey PaxAnima
16:21.28dc___PaxAnima: psCalc ownz me
16:21.43PaxAnimadc___: ;)
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16:22.46mallumdc__: oh yeah I have to learn japanease in 3 months ...
16:23.48dc___mallum: oh oh why??
16:24.03mallumdc__: cos Im going there in August :-)
16:24.26dc___mallum: cooooooool!
16:24.46mallumdc__: london -> la -> hawaii -> japan -> london
16:24.58dc___woah
16:25.05mallumhoneymoon :-)
16:25.05PaxAnimamallum: around th wold in 80 days? ;)
16:25.11dc___mallum: as yes :D
16:25.13dc___mallum: how cooL!
16:25.14mallumPaxAnima: well ~21 days
16:25.52mallumPaxAnima: I got round the world tickets
16:25.58PaxAnimaah, cool
16:26.23dc___mallum: hawaii sounds cool aswell
16:27.08mallumdc__: hope so
16:27.24florian__i imported > 400 contacts - now gpe-contacts needs about 2 seconds to change the tabs - is this ok?
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17:06.15spunghi, anyone have any idea why i can't run X as a user on my debian? the window manager can't start up looks like X is not accepting its connection
17:08.46mallumspung: you installed the 4.3 packages ?
17:09.05spungAUDIT: Mon Apr 28 01:29:04 2003: 4392 X: client 10 rejected from IP 192.168.1.40 port 33094
17:09.15spungmallum: no, where are they? :)
17:09.30spungmallum: sleep doesnt work on this powerbook :/
17:09.37spungmallum: kernel bug
17:10.23mallumspung: upgrade to a benH kernel
17:10.31spungmallum: yeah
17:10.35spungLinux nhop 2.4.19-rc1 #4 Sat Nov 16 18:49:41 WET 2002 i686 unknown
17:10.38spungohh
17:10.41mallumspung: then sleep should work
17:10.44spungwrong system
17:10.59spungmallum: no, i get a  garbled screen
17:11.13mallumspung: you probably need a more recent X
17:11.18PaxAnimamallum: do you want bilenear scaling in mbpixbuf? (or have you done it yourself?)
17:11.42spungmallum: i get that _without_ X
17:11.53mallumspung: deb http://penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/$(ARCH) ./ for 4.3 X packages
17:12.03mallumspung: whats your kernel ?
17:12.06spungmallum: im using 2.4.20-ben9-hm
17:13.03florian__bbl
17:14.49spungmallum: are there better ones?
17:15.03mallumspung: no
17:15.12mallumspung: whats hm ?
17:15.21spungmallum: i have no idea
17:15.38spungoh wait
17:15.42spungim using ben1
17:15.48spungnot ben9 for some weird reason
17:15.52spunglet me try ben9
17:16.11mallumspung: yeah I think around ben8 the sleep stuff was fixed for your machine
17:17.02spungahh
17:17.04spungcool
17:17.05spung:
17:17.06spung:)
17:17.16spungthanks for the 4.3 deb :)
17:17.21mallumPaxAnima: well I would, but Im not sure how useful it would be, since mbpixbuf normally scales does stuff and it can do that ok? what do you reckon ?
17:18.07mallumspung: I think the 4.3 debs are missing /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
17:18.12mallumspung: all the file is, is;
17:18.19mallummallum@ti:/usr/src/linux$ cat /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
17:18.20mallum### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION
17:18.20mallum# Do not edit within this region if you want your changes to be preserved by
17:18.20mallum# debconf.  Instead, make changes after the "### END DEBCONF SECTION" line.
17:18.20mallumallowed_users=console
17:18.20mallumnice_value=-10
17:18.22mallum### END DEBCONF SECTION
17:18.48PaxAnimamallum: does = down? in that case, it shouldn't be a too big a problem... bilinear filtering is best when scaling up things
17:19.10mallumPaxAnima: yeah and fortunatly as were scaling down it shouldn't be a problem
17:19.26PaxAnimanope
17:19.39mallumPaxAnima: do you have any basic ( 90 degree ) rotation code though ?
17:20.32PaxAnimano... that's straight forward, though.. dc___ has it it gpe-gallery, I think
17:22.39mallumPaxAnima: I think that maybe internal to gdk-pixbuf
17:22.57PaxAnimaI think he wrote the code for it
17:23.08mallumokey, should be pretty easy to do
17:23.20PaxAnimayup
17:25.34PaxAnimamallum: if you should ever need something like image grabbing, image enhancement, image restoration and that alike, I have it ;)
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17:27.35belushi
17:27.41PaxAnimahi, belus
17:28.02cmarquHi all.
17:28.06PaxAnimahi, cmarqu
17:28.47belusjsmanrique talk me about gpe project
17:29.54belusi write a file manager with ansi c and gtk+ for like-unix systems
17:30.49belusnavigation component completed, 22 kilobytes
17:31.02belushttp://petra.euitio.uniovi.es/~i1441445/capturas.html
17:32.09cmarqubelus: Nice. It is GTK1 though, right?
17:32.16belusyes cmarqu
17:32.55belusit is a university project
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17:33.32cmarqubelus: Ah. Do you have specific goals with it? Like, being really small and fast?
17:33.52beluscmarqu: yes, in my pentium 133 is very fast
17:34.32beluscmarqu: in this time, 22 kilobytes ansi c
17:35.13beluscmarqu: but very very very alfa
17:36.51cmarquWhat made you choose GTK1? GPE has moved to GTK2 in the recent past.
17:37.21mallumbelus: what wm is that ? and what theme ?
17:37.31beluscmarqu: begin for the basic
17:37.40belusmallum: xfce 4
17:38.30beluscmarqu: i don't have experience with gtk, i'm newbie with it
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18:13.18beluscongratulations, gpe is cool
18:13.19belusbye bye
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18:22.37pb_dc__: evening.
18:24.30mallumhttp://multisync.sourceforge.net/opie_sync/testing.html :(
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18:24.43dc__pb_: hey!
18:25.33florianre
18:26.51florianmallum: ok, they had two years more for development... ;-)
18:27.13florianpb_: i did some optimizing in gpe-contacts :-))
18:27.24pb_florian: ah, cool!
18:27.59florianbrb, lunch
18:32.14mallumflorian: ?
18:45.08cmarquOh, BTW... I know someone who in turn knows Guenter Bartsch (the main xine developer) very well, and Guenter seems very interested in GPE (more than in OPIE) for porting xine.
18:45.32cmarquWith a bit of luck, I am meeting Guenter this Wednesday.
18:45.44pb_Oh right, that'd be neat.
18:50.02florianre
18:50.36pb_florian: I made a new gtk2-theme-angelistic package which should fix #789.
18:51.03florianmallum: this was a comment about the link to opie-sync
18:51.20florianpb_: hey, this is good news :-)
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18:51.59floriani have some gpe-contacts optimisations to check in....
18:53.28pb_florian: Okay, great.
18:54.57florianpb_: not well tested - but much faster - with > 400 contacts still usable :-)
18:55.22pb_sounds cool.
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18:57.25cmarquflorian: Woohoo!
18:58.03floriancmarqu: it's in - check out and test it :-)
18:59.03cmarquflorian: Can you make a new binary quickly?
18:59.32floriani added a small hack to gpe-beam/vcard.c to remove leading spaces...
18:59.53florianand a tool to import files containing multiple vcards...
19:00.15floriancmarqu: yep, shure
19:03.09floriancmarqu: http://handhelds.org/~florian/gpe-contacts.gz
19:06.07cmarquflorian: Wow. It's hellishly fast!
19:06.45floriancmarqu: i hope everything else works too...
19:06.55cmarquflorian: One minor thing though: It doesn't sort the contacts within the tab pages itself.
19:07.03cmarquWell, not exactly minor...
19:08.36floriancmarqu: i think this should be no problem to add - i think i only need to change the buildup code. i hope this doesn't decrease the speed too much...
19:08.54florianmaybe doing this by sql is faster :-)))
19:14.29cmarqupb_: What and where do we need to change GTK themes to make them work with GPE? If we can come up with a small list, we could maybe get some more suitable themes.
19:20.51cmarquHmm, I still don't understand the timezone/DST stuff. http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22.png is one example
19:22.49pb_cmarqu: Take a look at the Angelistic gtkrc.  The sections right at the end are probably the important ones.
19:23.28floriancmarqu: you don't use dst and gpe-clock seems to set an alatm assuming clock runs utc :-/
19:23.37floriani think this is a bug in gpe-clock...
19:24.13cmarquflorian: Indeed, I don't use DST, since it makes my clock be off by two hours instead of just one :)
19:24.56floriancmarqu: then something is really wrong ;-)
19:25.04pb_cmarqu: What timezone do you actually have configured?
19:25.23cmarqupb_: MET/MEZ, and I'm getting the time via ntp
19:26.05floriancmarqu: you know that a changed tz setting needs a relog?
19:26.21cmarquflorian: Yes, I did that.
19:26.24pb_Okay, I'll take a look at it.  It seemed to be working OK yesterday when I tried.
19:26.38pb_Did you set the alarm for a specific date, or recurring?
19:27.03floriancmarqu: your gpe-conf is 0.0.9-9?
19:27.38cmarquflorian: Yes.
19:28.02florianhuh?!
19:28.10cmarqupb_: I set the alarm to what gpe-clock was showing me, plus 2 minutes. Not recurring.
19:29.20cmarquflorian: I just "got time from network", it is 20:29 now.
19:29.40cmarquTimezone is MET/MEZ/CET/SWT.
19:29.43cmarquNo DST.
19:30.20cmarquI think when I enable DST now, it will say it's 19:29.
19:31.04floriani have dst enabled, default offset should be ok for cest - 2130 like on my desktop
19:31.59cmarquArgh. It works now.
19:32.07floriancmarqu: :-)
19:32.20cmarquI could swear I logged out and in yesterday.
19:32.42cmarquAh. Hmm. It might have crashed on me, like it did just 3 mins ago.
19:32.59cmarquCrashed before it could set any variables?
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19:33.03florianwell, i should try to find a way to change this...
19:33.11dc__hummm
19:33.13florianhuh?! what did you do?!
19:34.02cmarquflorian: Possibly OOM as always...
19:34.35floriancmarqu: oh, this definitely neets to be fixed!
19:35.04cmarquHmm, no... But I see a kernel oops with esd.
19:35.23cmarquThat was probably when gpe-announce got stuck.
19:37.06cmarquflorian: It crashed right after I entered the root password.
19:41.53pb_dc__: do you think you could make some instructions for installing X and GPE on top of openzaurus, for the benefit of people like walters and prpplague?
19:44.09dc__pb_: ah okay...umm...later this week though.
19:44.14dc__pb_: sounds like a very good idea though :)
19:45.02pb_dc__: great!  no rush, whenever you have time would be cool.
19:47.46mallumewe, dont hack around it
19:48.10mallumsomebody just needs to get gpe into open zaurus !!!
19:48.50dc__heh
19:49.00florianquite right...
19:49.48pb_well, last I heard, we're blocked on that waiting for noidd to finish integrating gtk2.
19:49.56cmarqumallum: BTW, your MB Usenix paper is a nice read. You just have a problem with ligatures.
19:49.58mallumI will add gtk to it soon, I can add anything autotooled pretty wuick now
19:50.17florianwe would need some basic system config support (light, buttons etc...)
19:50.33cmarqumallum: Have you tried using pdflatex instead of going the dvips/gs route?
19:50.39mallumcmarqu: thank, yeah on my generated one, not the one thats getting printed
19:50.52cmarquAh, okay.
19:51.03mallumcmarqu: I havn't got a clue about all the latex stuff - kiethp & cworth kindly sorted that for me
19:51.17cmarquHehe
19:53.39mallumpb_: do you have packaging scripts already for gtk2 ?
19:53.58pb_Yes, they're in CVS.
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20:03.22pb_older versions had a variety of problems with exception handling in shared libraries.
20:03.47pb_(though, I thought the debian 2.95.4 in woody was ok actually)
20:03.51floriangpsdrive is a nasty piece of code... :-/
20:04.01pb_:-/
20:04.35florianwe'll get our sdsl connection at the end of this week... i hope - i think i'll update the cat then :-)
20:04.45pb_heh, cool.
20:05.55florianwc -l gpsdrive.c
20:05.55florian<PROTECTED>
20:06.10florianany questions? ;-)
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20:14.27pb_cmarqu: would you test a new gst-plugins package for me?  I have temporarily mislaid my large CF card.
20:15.04cmarqupb_: With pleasure.
20:17.13pb_cmarqu: Okay, cool.  http://handhelds.org/~pb/gst-plugins_0.6-4_arm.ipk
20:21.36cmarqupb_: Perfect! It works with my problematic oggs now, as well as with my playing oggs and an mp3 file.
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20:21.52pb_cmarqu: Phew!  Okay, I will upload it to unstable right away.
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20:38.47mccarthycmarqu: :)
20:38.57pb_hi mccarthy
20:39.03pb_hi walters
20:39.11cmarqumccarthy: Ah, a good way to get you here :)
20:39.15mccarthyhi pb_, grading final exams
20:39.27mccarthycmarqu: yes. funny bug reports always work
20:39.47cmarquHehe.
20:40.01mccarthyI dont usually get scared *myself* (since I wrote the thing in the first place) but I scare the crap out of people standing near me :)
20:40.08waltershi pb_
20:41.01mccarthycmarqu: I was also planning on setting up a preferences (maybe with florians help since it would likely be a gpe-conf thing) but that way we can change the sound as well
20:41.11mccarthybut I like the crescendo idea
20:42.10cmarqumccarthy: Full config would be nice, but "crescendo" should be easy, maybe even  for fam 0.7?
20:43.16mccarthycmarqu: ok, but I cant do it today. If you or pb_ wanna quickly hack it out that would be easy and nice....(I think it keeps track of the number of iterations already anyway, so a simple case statement would work)
20:44.28cmarqumccarthy: Also, gpe-announce is not i18n'ed. I created http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPEInternationalisation yesterday to give info on how to go about that.
20:44.58mccarthycmarqu: I hope it is reallyt dumbed down info :)
20:44.59cmarqumccarthy: I made a vow to go to bed early today, I'll try to look at it tomorrow.
20:45.13cmarquAh, well... not yet :)
20:45.19mccarthycmarqu: I can probably fix it tomorrow afternoon or wednesday otherwise
20:46.21cmarqumccarthy: That would be coolest. My parents are soon visiting me the first time in years, so I better prepare something else.
20:46.32mccarthyman these kids are getting slaughtered on this final :(
20:56.43pb_:-/
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21:26.06floriantsts...
21:27.28cmarquNight all.
21:27.59pb_cmarqu: Night.
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22:02.37dc__hum, de dum
22:02.44dc__damn this revision
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22:03.16mccarthywoo. finally done with my finals. they got an average of 65/100
22:03.18dc__stargirl: hey!
22:03.30stargirlhey dc__
22:03.31dc__mccarthy: huray, lucky you!
22:03.34PaxAnimamccarthy: what course?
22:03.42dc__stargirl: where's my dasher girl!
22:03.46mccarthydc__: but now I have to read their projects :(
22:03.53mccarthyPaxAnima: Heat and Mass Transfer
22:03.59stargirldc__: erm erm ... <guilty look> ;-)
22:04.00dc__mccarthy: doh!
22:04.02stargirlI've been busy!!
22:04.07mccarthy(although we call it Transport Phenomena II)
22:04.08dc__yeah, yeah
22:04.22stargirl:-)
22:04.27dc__I'm doing my exams in 3 weeks...and I still make time for installing xmms on my c700
22:04.32mccarthydc__: But they worked in *groups* :) so that arent that many to read
22:04.38PaxAnimamccarthy: sounds boring.... ;) (hides)
22:04.43dc__stargirl: think how much less important that is compared to dasher ;D
22:05.12mccarthyPaxAnima: :-P
22:05.13__moraydc__: anyway, dasher is part of her work, I think...
22:05.25mccarthythats with a CAPITAL p
22:05.50stargirldc__: heheh oh dear :-)
22:06.24dc__hum, anyhow..
22:07.57dc__on another note.
22:08.31dc__how might I get something like w3m to goto a site then exit when it's finished loading?
22:09.09__moraydc__: what are you trying to do? can't you use wget/curl?
22:09.32dc__doh
22:10.27pb_mccarthy: ah, can you remind me what the theory is on gpe-code vs gpe-code2?
22:10.39pb_i.e. which one we should be using
22:11.06mccarthypb_: gpe-code2 is prettier, but gpe-code works better...I would go with works better until prettier works nicely too
22:11.25pb_Okay.  Florian pointed out that gpe-code doesn't quite fit on the screen, but I guess we can live with that.
22:11.28mccarthypb_: also, I think gpe-othello2 is ready for prime time if you are interested
22:11.37pb_ah, sure.  is it in unstable?
22:11.54mccarthypb_: yeah I know about the width issue. it should be easy to fix. maybe I will fix it when I fix gpe-announce
22:12.04mccarthypb_: othello is in unstable and in CVS
22:12.12pb_0.7-rc2 is nearly upon us, so now would be a good time to make any last minute additions to the task package.
22:12.18pb_okay, I'll add othello to gpe-games.
22:12.43pb_how about pscalc2; is there a source release of that?
22:12.45mccarthypb_: ok. nothing else for a task package frommy end
22:12.49dc__pb_: oh...um...gpe-fm doesn't properly delete directories
22:13.02pb_dc__: oh dear.  what goes wrong?
22:13.08pb_mccarthy: cool
22:13.08mccarthypb_: should that be included instead of gpe-calculator? (I wont be offended, I havent tried pscalc yet)
22:13.13dc__pb_: I think it's using the wrong gnome-vfs command
22:13.16pb_mccarthy: I was planning to include both.
22:13.27dc__pb_: it really should just delete anything
22:13.31pb_mccarthy: gpe-calculator is a bit less intimidating if all you want to do is arithmetic.
22:13.40dc__pb_: if we can trust users not the delete /
22:13.44pb_mccarthy: (and I like the display widget it uses)
22:13.59pb_dc__: well, if they are logged in as root and try to delete /, that's their own fault.
22:14.05mccarthypb_: hmm. ok, but they do replicate functionality...couldnt minicalc or whatever be used for simple math?
22:14.18pb_yeah, but minicalc is ugly.
22:14.34mccarthypb_: oh. I always use gpe-calculator so I wouldnt know :)
22:14.39pb_heh
22:14.43dc__pb_: indeed.
22:14.49dc__pb_: maybe you could have a look at it.
22:14.54dc__I'm in exam hell right now
22:15.00pb_dc__: yep, will do.
22:15.05__moraydc__: sounds familiar :/
22:15.06pb_dc__: oh, I have a h5400 now also.
22:15.07dc__thanks :}
22:15.15dc__pb_: what fun! GPE installed?
22:15.19dc____moray: how...fun...
22:15.32pb_dc__: not yet, haven't even installed bootldr.
22:15.38PaxAnimapb_: just uploaded the source of pscalc2 to my hh.org page
22:15.48dc__pb_: doh ;}
22:15.55pb_dc__: apparently bootblaster will just make it into a brick, so I need to await the arrival of jtag equipment.
22:16.09dc__ahhh
22:16.10pb_PaxAnima: ok, cool.
22:16.39pb_dc__: or, if I feel bored and/or foolhardy, I might try to fix bootblaster, but I guess I only get one shot at that.
22:16.45mccarthypb_: you have all the cool toys. does this mean you are ditching your 39XX? ;)
22:17.02__moraymccarthy: hey, I'm nearer if he doesn't want it ;)
22:17.22pb_mccarthy: heh, no, not yet.  I'd like a 1900 for day-to-day stuff though.
22:17.32dc__pb_: yeah, gegeg,
22:17.46dc__1900 is slick...
22:17.54dc__well...nothing like the c700
22:18.01pb_heh
22:18.23dc__PaxAnima: I think I have to buy and rpn calculator now I can't take my c70 with psCalc into my exam
22:18.24PaxAnimamccarthy: you haven't tried psCalc2? ipkg install pscalc2 now! (dc__ is already addicted;)
22:18.37pb_dc__: doh.
22:18.39dc__mccarthy: trust me, it ownz us
22:18.39mallumpb_: you ever come acroos 'rxvt: can't open pseudo-tty' error ?
22:18.53pb_dc__: HP RPN calculators are classics though, everybody should have one.
22:19.00dc__I wonder if I can even take one into the exm though
22:19.03mccarthyPaxAnima: :) If it is that good it should be a gpe-XXX program ;)
22:19.06pb_mallum: nope, don't think I've seen that.
22:19.12dc__aparently anything that can store functions isn't alowed
22:19.22dc__PaxAnima: ;D
22:19.37pb_dc__: oh dear.  so a slide rule or an abacus is about your only option.
22:19.49dc__pb_: well I think so.
22:19.52dc__hehehe
22:20.02pb_could get noisy in there if everybody had an abacus.
22:20.06dc__I gather they're quite pricey though?
22:20.27pb_dc__: yeah, probably.
22:20.47PaxAnimaI'm only allowed to use HP 30s, a suckysucky non-graphical calculator (and that's at a university)
22:21.00dc__PaxAnima: how borrrrring
22:21.03pb_mccarthy: I think the only thing minicalc does better than gpe-calculator is handle really large numbers.
22:21.15pb_mccarthy: not sure how pscalc behaves in that respect.
22:21.27dc__tries
22:21.39PaxAnimapb_: nothing more than the normal glibc can handle
22:21.54pb_ah, ok.
22:22.07dc__oh great, yeah.
22:22.21dc__we get the answer of 'Infinte'
22:22.28pb_hah
22:22.42PaxAnimadc__: that's fixed ;)
22:23.06dc__ah cool
22:23.55PaxAnimafixed some typos in the latest ipkg
22:24.40PaxAnimagot some minor window
22:25.00PaxAnima... things to fix (need to set a window icon and a better window title than psCalc2)
22:25.59pb_yeah, and move it into the "utilities" section. :-}
22:26.43PaxAnimapb_: noooooooooo! ;)
22:26.47pb_heh
22:26.54dc__war
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22:27.33pb_mccarthy: uploaded new gpe-games.
22:28.11mccarthypb_: cool. thanks. gpe-othello is fun (although now I thrash the computer even on its highest settings....time to make a gpe-chess, eh? :)
22:32.18PaxAnimagood night, people
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22:34.32dc___great..finaly my debian box is routing a bit more consistantly now.
22:34.41dc___one more test :}
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23:13.01prpplaguepb_: instructions?
23:14.14prpplaguepb_: lol, i did the first x buildroot entry for oz
23:14.47prpplaguepb_: but since mallum re-worked it i'm a little behind the curve :)
23:20.49mallumprpplague: one sec ...
23:26.07pb_prpplague: heh.
23:29.41prpplagueinstructions....we don't need no stinkin instructions........
23:29.53pb_prpplague: yeah, I was thinking in terms of a "to install gpe, you need to use these feeds and install these packages" type of recipe.
23:30.14prpplaguepb_: i know, just yankin your chain alittle
23:30.33pb_prpplague: figured :-)
23:30.50prpplaguepb_: i left box at home logged in all day while i was at work
23:31.06prpplaguepb_: forgot to open ssh so i couldn't get in
23:31.41mallumprpplague: I should have an image in the next copule of days with X / Matchbox / rxvt
23:31.56prpplaguecool
23:32.02pb_prpplague: doh.
23:32.06prpplaguecosmic has pixil running pretty well too
23:32.09mallumprpplague: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3368.png is a scap
23:32.33mallumprpplague: someone still needs to add gtk ( I'll hopefully do that ) and gpe packages to buildroot though ....
23:32.54prpplaguecute
23:33.21prpplaguethats about where i was 5 months ago before i got pulled off on this project
23:33.34prpplaguemallum: i'm sure you have it working better :)
23:33.39prpplaguemallum: tslib?
23:34.24prpplaguemallum: the fix the issue with ash about the terminal resize core?
23:35.19mallumprpplague: yeah tslib, calibration, optimised 4.3 X, latest fontconfig & freetype, vera-fonts etc
23:35.33prpplaguemallum: nice
23:35.51mallumprpplague: gnome-termibal ?
23:36.23prpplaguemallum: rxvt
23:36.55prpplaguemallum: the last build i ran had a bug in ash that caused rxvt to core about 1 out of every 5 times you opened it
23:37.26mallumprpplague: oh yeah I think that was fixes ages ago (
23:38.13prpplaguemallum: lol, see how long i've been away :)
23:38.35prpplaguemallum: one more week and i should be able to get back to the fun stuff
23:39.02mallumprpplague: you have a 5000d right ?
23:39.37mallumprpplague: I just overhualed rxvt btw
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23:43.58prpplaguemallum: negative, i have a few 5500's
23:44.10prpplaguemallum: i ordered a c700, but hasn't arrived yet
23:44.15mallumprpplague: cool :-)
23:44.24mallumprpplague: 5500 are the ones with 64mb right ?
23:44.30prpplaguemallum: ya
23:44.43dc__is GPE supposed to use alsa...or oss...or wha?
23:44.46mallumprpplague: okey I can build you an image for them :-)
23:44.52prpplaguemallum: fun
23:45.04prpplaguemallum: probably get started this weekend
23:45.10pb_dc__: it generally uses the oss interface, but alsa has a compatibility layer.
23:45.16prpplaguebbl
23:46.35mallumdc__: what happens if you cat some file to /dev/dsp ?
23:47.34dc__ah ha
23:47.41dc__it was esd hiding from me
23:47.44dc__weeeeeeeee
23:47.46dc__XMMS :D
23:47.51pb_heh
23:49.16dc__how slick ;}
23:49.26dc__plays nicely aswell
23:49.29pb_sounds cool.
23:49.48dc__minus the lack of quality the c700 gives
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23:50.34pigeonpb____________________________________________
23:50.35pb_pigeon: !
23:50.40dc__!
23:50.49dc__pigeon: don't abuse my tail!
23:50.57pigeonI bought a 3630 for au 50!
23:51.04dc__wooah
23:51.07pb_pigeon: wahey.
23:51.14pigeonBut my gf likes it with pocketpc :\
23:51.37pb_ha.
23:53.02dc__not cool
23:53.23pb_not best, certainly.
23:55.21pigeonDo you know if it's possible to reflash ppc2002 onto it? (Bad channel to ask but anyway :P)
23:56.00pb_Yeah, you can get ppc2002 for 3600.
23:57.34pb_I'm not sure if it's still available as an official upgrade, so you might need to track down someone who has it already and clone their ROM.  Or it's possible there is an image in the wince feed.
23:58.04pb_3700s had ppc2002 as standard, but I think they all had 32MB of ROM so presumably the image won't fit on a 3630.

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