| 00:12.11 | cmarqu | florian: I'm here now, are you? |
| 00:14.52 | florian | cmarqu: i'm nat shure if i remember correctly, but was it you who did the performance tests with gpe-contacts? |
| 00:15.09 | florian | s/nat/not |
| 00:15.11 | cmarqu | florian: Well, I kind of complained, yes :) |
| 00:16.34 | florian | cmarqu: cool... would you like to do some tests with the new version in cvs? :-) |
| 00:17.23 | cmarqu | I'd need a package :) |
| 00:17.50 | cmarqu | And not really in the next hour, but after waking up again. |
| 00:20.06 | florian | hmm... package, i could try... |
| 00:20.19 | florian | sleep... another good idea :-) |
| 00:23.43 | cmarqu | I cannot even easily build it on my desktop, since I'd need to get a newer fontconfig to compile libgpewidget. |
| 00:24.13 | cmarqu | Or comment out the clock widget from the Makefile. |
| 00:25.16 | florian | hmm yes - the same for me - i could create a binary... this needs some tweaks by hand... |
| 00:25.47 | cmarqu | Yeah, a binary would be enough. |
| 00:26.16 | pb_ | I guess I can build a package easily enough, if everything in CVS is up to date. |
| 00:26.23 | cmarqu | Well... it's not really much work to get it running on the desktop I suppose. I can try that tomorrow. |
| 00:26.28 | cmarqu | Or that :) |
| 00:28.04 | florian | great... |
| 00:31.43 | pb_ | ah, excellent. |
| 00:39.36 | florian | ok, it's in - including a portuguese language package :-) |
| 00:40.36 | florian | cmarqu: http://handhelds.org/~florian/gpe-contacts.gz |
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| 00:43.58 | cmarqu | florian: Okay, will try it tomorrow. Remind me again maybe :) |
| 00:44.11 | florian | cmarqu: yep, shure |
| 00:52.39 | florian | night all |
| 00:55.20 | cmarqu | Night indeed. |
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| 02:12.47 | spung | pb_: i thought the english went to bed at 10pm ? |
| 02:14.12 | jg | spung: hey, it's only 10:17pm where I am.... |
| 02:14.37 | spung | jg: are you english? |
| 02:16.45 | jg | spung: well, there were english in these parts until around 1775 or so.... |
| 02:17.18 | jg | spung: then there was this battle in a town or two over, that caused that to change.... |
| 02:17.36 | spung | jg: :) |
| 02:17.46 | spung | jg: independence war? |
| 02:17.57 | jg | people from my town walked to the battle at Concord.... |
| 02:18.15 | jg | (the first shots were in Lexington. |
| 02:18.17 | spung | jg: didn't the french help you guys out? |
| 02:18.32 | jg | spung: only relatively late in the war.... |
| 02:18.43 | jg | look what it got us :-; |
| 02:19.45 | spung | jg: yeah, if weren't for france you'd now be speaking english (joke from rec.humor.funny) |
| 02:20.29 | jg | yup. Though the Indians (of India) speak english just about as much as we do :-) |
| 02:20.34 | spung | jg: france did try to invade portugal 3 times in a row, but we beat them with some help from the english :) funny, heh? |
| 02:20.47 | jg | yup |
| 02:21.06 | spung | that's prior the america's independecente IIRC |
| 02:22.17 | jg | france seems to have trouble getting along in general ;-) |
| 02:23.18 | spung | jg: i think that's a stereotype, i've been in paris once and they're quite friendly |
| 02:23.33 | spung | jg: me knowing some french might have helped tho :) |
| 02:24.16 | jg | spung: I feel sorry for the poor Redcoats though: they got shot at from behind trees and stone walls all the way back to Boston (about 20 miles), and the poor brits had just walked that 20 miles and were already tired by the time they got to Concord. |
| 02:24.48 | jg | yes, the Frenchmen I know are all very friendly.... |
| 02:25.27 | spung | jg: hah, the french invasion story is even better.. in the battle of aljubarrota they made huge holes, and a lot of french fell in them :) |
| 02:27.23 | jg | spung: us nasty colonists didn't know about fighting in open fields, in lines, etc. Just about shooting at game from hiding places... The poor brits took pretty bad casualties on the retreat to Boston. |
| 02:28.02 | spung | heh |
| 02:29.10 | jg | spung: nor did we have nice red uniforms for parades.... |
| 02:29.17 | jg | (they make nice targets). |
| 02:29.19 | spung | lol |
| 02:29.22 | spung | quite |
| 02:30.09 | spung | jg: maybe that's why they didn't use them on iraq this time? :) |
| 02:30.48 | jg | spung: yeah, I think we use nice camoflage desert colored uniforms these days... |
| 02:31.03 | jg | spung: the brits did eventually learn that lesson... |
| 02:33.03 | spung | jg: the portuguese forgot all the lessons i think, i remember a group of portuguese soldiers in kosovo that started playing with a grenade, i think they wanted to take it as a souvenir and they all died.. |
| 02:33.42 | jg | spung: probably bored: the soldier's major hazard is doing dumb things because they are bored.... |
| 02:35.21 | spung | :) |
| 02:35.25 | spung | heh |
| 02:53.17 | nelson | jg: it's arguable whether the people in India speak English or not. |
| 03:00.24 | jg | nelson: exactly my point: less so than we do. |
| 03:13.40 | spung | moray: someone has been heavily flooding #gtk+ son of a bitch, my international traffic!!! |
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| 03:15.58 | moray | spung: hm, maybe you should leave some of those extraneous channels...? |
| 03:16.54 | spung | :) |
| 03:17.28 | spung | moray: maybe i shouldn't be downloading garnome :) |
| 03:17.33 | moray | ha |
| 03:23.03 | flypiper | spung: your gonna have to give up some of those X video's |
| 03:23.39 | spung | flypiper: nope, not now that i have a gorgeous 1280x800something 15" lcd |
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| 04:55.09 | fly_ipaq | anyone know if serialsniffer.ipkg works or not?? |
| 04:56.16 | fly_ipaq | I installes it, but cant find it on my ipaq? |
| 05:07.47 | fly_ipaq | must be some-kinda OPEE program:( |
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| 08:56.26 | florian | hi all |
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| 09:49.03 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 09:49.16 | florian | hi chrisime, PaxAnima |
| 09:49.22 | chrisime | morgen |
| 10:14.06 | pb_ | hi florian, chrisime, PaxAnima |
| 10:36.26 | PaxAnima | hi, pb_ |
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| 11:16.26 | florian | pb_: hi |
| 11:44.53 | BBrox | Eeeek, we are invaded by Irishmen :-) |
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| 12:52.39 | pb_ | florian: on my ipaq, using a new 0.7 install, the "Time and Date Setup" dialog is slightly too wide for the screen. |
| 12:53.38 | pb_ | e.g. the arrow for the timezone combo box is only half-visible, and it is hidden completely when the vertical scrollbar appears. |
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| 13:01.48 | florian | pb_: which gtk theme do you use? |
| 13:02.01 | pb_ | florian: Angelistic |
| 13:06.33 | florian | pb_: very strange - looks ok here - for me the position of the first label is slightly wrong |
| 13:06.52 | pb_ | florian: weird. what font are you using? |
| 13:07.12 | pb_ | (I am using Vera at the default size, which I think is 8 point) |
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| 13:10.32 | florian | pb_: ah, i see - my was set to 7 point.... right you are - this doesn't look good |
| 13:11.17 | florian | owen sent some files... looks like usqld is badly broken :-/ |
| 13:11.30 | pb_ | ah. :-/ |
| 13:11.37 | pb_ | what's the problem with it? |
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| 13:14.41 | cian | ibot |
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| 13:16.53 | pb_ | btw, I uploaded a new gpe-calendar package (version 0.43). |
| 13:17.08 | florian | ah, cool |
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| 13:53.04 | cmarqu | ~ # ipkg upgrade |
| 13:53.04 | cmarqu | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for hostap-modules: |
| 13:53.11 | cmarqu | kernel-modules(>= 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh12) netlink-modules(>= 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh12) packet-modules(>= 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh12) pcmcia-modules(>= 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh12) |
| 13:53.23 | cmarqu | Hmm, so part of hh12 is in unstable, but not everything? |
| 13:56.21 | pb_ | Bizarre. Let me look. |
| 13:57.04 | pb_ | kernel-modules_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh11_ipaqsa.ipk appears to be there. |
| 13:57.23 | pb_ | Same with pcmcia-modules_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh12_ipaqsa.ipk. |
| 13:57.37 | pb_ | So, I think this is an ipkg bug. |
| 13:57.46 | cmarqu | Ah. Hmm. |
| 13:57.58 | cmarqu | kernel-modules_2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh12_ipaqsa.ipk you mean? |
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| 13:58.56 | pb_ | cmarqu: Er, yes, sorry. |
| 13:59.17 | pb_ | I guess that rather undermined the point I was trying to make :-} |
| 13:59.54 | pb_ | What does "ipkg info kernel-modules" have to say? |
| 14:06.51 | cmarqu | Lists only hh11. Hmm. |
| 14:08.19 | pb_ | Strange. Could try ipkg update again, in case there was some transient problem with Packages. |
| 14:08.35 | cmarqu | Yep, doing it already |
| 14:12.03 | nelson | cmarqu: yes, it seems that not all of hh12 is in unstable. |
| 14:12.13 | nelson | cmarqu: that's why I haven't copied it to 0.7 yet. |
| 14:12.30 | cmarqu | nelson: Ah, okay. |
| 14:13.19 | pb_ | fwiw, I did "ls -l *hh12*.ipk | wc -l" in unstable and 2.4.19 feeds, and got the same numbe for both. |
| 14:19.36 | florian | cu |
| 14:20.59 | nelson | pb_: so they're missing from both. Okay, I'll wait, then. |
| 14:21.36 | pb_ | nelson: yes, repeating the experiment with hh11 gives over 100 extra results. |
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| 14:26.27 | nelson | pb_: alas, I had matchbox or Xipaq crash while installing icons again. |
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| 15:01.49 | flypiper | morning |
| 15:03.19 | flypiper | v0.7 rc1 looks pretty stable, had it on wireless compaq card and on gpe-irc all nite... and it's still up and running:\ |
| 15:03.40 | fly_ipaq | here:) |
| 15:39.40 | pb_ | fly_ipaq: that's cool. |
| 15:40.29 | pb_ | nelson: that's not so cool. Is it still resulting in duplicated panel icons? |
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| 15:59.35 | pb_ | nelson: I tried to reproduce the login crash on my 3900 but was unable to. One line of attack might be to edit /usr/bin/mbstart so that matchbox is run with catchsegv, and see if any diagnostics show up in ~/.xsession-errors when the crash happens. |
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| 18:00.34 | nelson | pb_: yes, it still results in duplicated panel icons. Oh, wait! |
| 18:01.00 | nelson | pb_: This was an install of -pre10. Didn't you fix something since then?? |
| 18:01.11 | pb_ | nelson: Ah, yes. Can you make it happen with rc1? |
| 18:03.32 | pb_ | nelson: btw, bootldr 2.19.75 (only available for pxa right now, but I will do strongarm on monday) now understands the model-number field in reflash.ctl, so we can provide a control file that lists everything and the user will only be shown the appropriate images. |
| 18:16.07 | nelson | pb_: I'll see. |
| 18:16.25 | nelson | pb_: ahhh, good, excellent. |
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| 22:22.50 | paul | wee heee, gnokii works over ir. |
| 22:23.06 | paul | pb_: you were right, it goes via ircomm. |
| 22:23.31 | paul | (or can do) |
| 22:23.34 | paul | http://pserver.samba.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/gnokii/Docs/gnokii-IrDA-Linux?annotate=1.1 |
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| 22:40.20 | mallum | woof |
| 22:42.31 | paul | hi mallum |
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| 23:26.43 | pb_ | paul: cool |
| 23:27.16 | paul | pb_: about to try setup ppp to ISP over ircomm :) |
| 23:27.44 | paul | pb_: no xgnokii for gpe/familiar? |
| 23:28.02 | paul | pb_: gnokii cvs can work over bluetooth too, no? |
| 23:28.23 | pb_ | paul: from what I recall, the xgnokii UI doesn't fit on the ipaq screen, and the program takes a huge amount of flash. |
| 23:28.29 | paul | pb_: aha. |
| 23:28.35 | pb_ | paul: yes, gnokii can run over bluetooth nowadays. |
| 23:28.46 | paul | pb_: so it needs a new UI? |
| 23:28.54 | pb_ | so it seems, yes. |
| 23:30.20 | paul | pb_: gpe apps can have glade generated UI's right? |
| 23:30.31 | pb_ | yep. |
| 23:31.59 | paul | pb_: going to fix the gpe-login patch to use g_strdup and i'll commit it. question is: do you want me to have the locale file define point at a dir, or should i change it back to the file we already have for now? |
| 23:32.24 | pb_ | paul: make it point at a directory, and we'll fix the locale packages. |
| 23:32.31 | paul | pb_: k |
| 23:44.44 | pb_ | ping me when your patch is in, and I'll build a new package. |
| 23:59.21 | paul | k |