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00:29.33spung_powerbookdc_c700: hah  :P
00:29.41dc_c700hehe
00:29.53dc_c700portable  devices!
00:29.55spung_powerbookrunning debian already, obviously :)
00:30.19dc_c700greta work
00:30.55dc_c700not too hard then?
00:31.34spung_powerbooki haven't installed X yet but so far not that hard, the instructions are good
00:32.08dc_c700cooooooooooooool
00:32.32spung_powerbookeasier than linuxs on the c700 i think? :)
00:33.33dc_c700=Pp
00:33.45dc_c700heh
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07:52.30florianmorning...
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09:10.22PaxAnimamoring
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09:13.56florianhi mallum
09:22.18mallumhey florian
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09:43.03florianhello pb_
09:43.21pb_morning
09:43.23pb_florian: hi
09:43.25pb_florian: your gpe-contacts patch unfortunately did not work too well.
09:43.27pb_cmd: select urn from contacts_urn, contacts where ((contacts_urn.urn = contacts.urn) and (rýÿ¿(contacts_urn.urn like 'A%') or (contacts_urn.urn like 'a%') or(contacts_urn.urn like 'B%') or (contacts_urn.urn like 'b%') or(contacts_urn.urn like 'C%') or (contacts_urn.urn like 'c%') or(contacts_urn.urn like 'D%') or (contacts_urn.urn like 'd%'))
09:43.31pb_GPE-ERROR: near ")": syntax error
09:45.05florianpb_: hmm, ok - this sql command doesn't really look ok...
09:45.38pb_florian: no, the "and (rýÿ¿(contacts_urn.urn" part looks particularly dubious.
09:46.26florianpb_: yes, really - this is definitely not a magic sql syntax! ;-)
09:47.10pb_florian: :-)
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10:36.24pb_paul: morning
10:36.53paulmorning pb
10:36.57paulpb_: pxa_ir - doh.
10:36.58paul:)
10:37.17paulpb_: suspend/resume is /really/ screwy with the current kernel btw :(
10:38.10pb_paul: can you be any more specific than that?
10:40.04PaxAnimapb_: got your bugzilla mail... so the correct ownership of the files should be 0 0? I can't change that when I create the packages on the ipaq cluster, can I?
10:40.24paulpb_: i'm good at being specific arent i :)
10:40.32paulpb_: let is suspend.
10:40.40paulpb_: press the power button.
10:41.26paulpb_: i'm doing this with a netgear pcmcia ethernet card in, active and configured.
10:41.33paulit doesnt resume
10:42.01pb_PaxAnima: yes, that's right.  use fakeroot, or -o -g options to ipkg-build.
10:42.11paulbut i stab enough times at the power button and it came to life, then locked.
10:42.18paulpb_: i've reset it and will try again.
10:42.26pb_paul: ok.  please file a report in bugzilla.
10:43.37PaxAnimapb_: ah, thanks..
10:44.22paulpb_: i'll try get more details
10:44.25paulbrb
10:44.47florianbbl
10:45.41PaxAnimapb_: add -o 0 and -g 0 to the ipkg-build section of the Makefile... it will be correct in the next relase of psCalc2
10:45.49pb_cool
10:46.23cmarqu_werkHa. I was just writing that on my todo list :)
10:46.28PaxAnima(all though unpacking the ipkg still shows paxanima.users as the owner.. does ipkg do the magic when it installs the package?)
10:47.11pb_PaxAnima: no, -o and -g should take effect at package building time.
10:47.50PaxAnimahmm.. but ipkg-build didn't give the warning about the owner info (which I've ignored for some time, really)
10:48.05pb_PaxAnima: if this is ~paxanima/pscalc/pscalc2_0.9_arm.ipk, the ownerships in the package look fine to me.
10:48.10pb_-rwxr-xr-x root/root     51644 2003-04-25 06:43:25 ./usr/bin/psCalc
10:48.22PaxAnimathat's one..
10:48.43PaxAnimapb_: stop buggin me with mails! ;)
10:49.10PaxAnima(I have other typos as well.. fixing it now)
10:49.15pb_great.
10:49.42PaxAnimalike "Infinte" for "Infinite"
10:50.24pb_right.
10:50.57PaxAnimaany other bugs?
10:51.31pb_none that I've noticed so far.  It might be nice for it to support interactive help and have a "quit" button, but I guess those are both enhancements rather than true bugs.
10:52.04PaxAnimahow do I enable single instance? "SingleInstance=True" or something?
10:52.13pb_yes, exactly that.
10:52.29PaxAnimawhat category should it be in, if not PIM?
10:52.42pb_just "Application" would probably be fine.
10:53.51PaxAnimaguess my reason for having it there was that some other calculator also used PIM as category, and I think I added it to PIM to make it appear on the root of the mbdesktop
10:54.03pb_gpe-calculator doesn't have PIM, and it seems to show up in the root.
10:54.20PaxAnimahmm.. ok
10:54.36pb_if you know what this other calculator was, we should file bugs against it as well.
10:54.55pb_I don't think a calculator really manages personal information.
10:55.00PaxAnimadon't remember.. was some time ago
10:55.19pb_Or you could check with cmarqu_werk, in his capacity as chief of menu police.
10:57.09cmarqu_werkibot: menu policy?
10:57.13well, menu policy is http://familiar.handhelds.org/policy/menu.html
10:57.38cmarqu_werk"Utilities" I'd say.
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10:58.33PaxAnimahmm.. but I want it on the root of mbdesktop.. ;)
11:01.05mallumthe menu policy stuff is not relevant to .desktop files btw
11:01.17mallumPaxAnima: but a calculator probably should exitst in utilitys
11:01.29PaxAnimagrmph..
11:01.49PaxAnimamallum: only PIM and Application categories are drawn on the root of mbdesktop?
11:03.09mallumPaxAnima: yes IIRC
11:03.41mallumPaxAnima: add an expense calculator to pscalculator then it would be a PIM ;-)
11:03.50PaxAnima;)
11:04.23mallumPaxAnima: if too much stuff goes in the root of the menu it soon becomes unusable
11:04.37mallumPaxAnima: look at the menu for adding dockapps for example :-)
11:04.54PaxAnimayes... but should be an option to the .desktop file, or preferably, the user should decide it
11:05.29PaxAnimamallum: how about categorising the dock apps?
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11:09.37mallumPaxAnima: user can kind of decide in CVS matchbox
11:10.07PaxAnimahow?
11:10.24dc_pb_: thanks for the ac adaper :D
11:10.35dc_morning PaxAnima, mallum
11:11.16PaxAnimamorning, dc_
11:12.04mallumPaxAnima: yeah maybe, wanna write a patch ?
11:12.16mallumPaxAnima: not easily ;-)
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11:25.08pb_dc_: yo.
11:25.13pb_dc_: sure, you're welcome.
11:25.19dc_pb_: :D
11:25.30dc_my iPAQ now lives again
11:25.36pb_rock.
11:26.13dc_my I just have to work out where my T68i has gone.
11:26.21dc_aparently it was sent to Somerset :-\
11:26.28mallumdoh
11:26.28pb_hell!
11:26.31pb_how did that happen?
11:26.40mallumdc_: cancel it and get a p800
11:26.41dc_indeed.
11:26.50dc_my _very_ old address.
11:26.54pb_ahh.
11:27.03dc_it seems my ebay profile was out of date.
11:27.18pb_doh.
11:27.28dc_although I did specifictly say the other address in my palpal, obviosuly I'm dealing with a fool.
11:27.35pb_lots of them around.
11:28.21mallumdc_: make sure to give him really bad feedback - 'he is a fool'
11:28.31mallummuahahaha
11:28.33dc_pb_: oh and um...what are these oh so strange plastic bit you've sent me aswell do?
11:28.41dc_mallum: hehhe
11:28.52pb_dc_: um, no idea.  what do they look like?
11:29.03pb_dc_: maybe that jiffy bag was not as empty as I thought.
11:29.36dc_indeed, they're little plastic strips about 3.5cm long and .5 cm wide.
11:29.52pb_hm, doesn't ring any bells.
11:30.21dc_they have small other 'bits' about 2mm apart along the whole length
11:30.27mallumlsd ?
11:30.32dc_that look like they would interlock with another thin
11:30.42dc_mmm..maybe.
11:31.12dc_oh, and I have another really big one
11:31.18dc_about 10cm long
11:31.36dc_oh, and they kind of bend..
11:31.48pb_hm, weird.
11:31.54pb_can you take a picture of them?
11:32.14dc_if I had my T68i, I could.
11:32.19pb_I guess they can't be anything too important.
11:32.23dc_dunno where my webcam has gone.
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11:33.03pb_oh well, just have to hope your t68i arrives soon in that case!
11:33.10dc_yes!
11:33.22dc_arg. royal mail tracking isn't working!
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11:59.47mallumPaxAnima: where was that example code for jpeg I remember you mentioning ?
12:08.58PaxAnimamallum: in the libjpeg source package...thre is a wel documented example.c file
12:12.28mallumokey thanks dudeo
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12:28.00mallumunsigned cigar* :-)
12:28.37PaxAnima;)
12:37.33PaxAnimapb_: just uploaded a new ipkg of psCalc2, with the mentioned bugs fixed (hopefully)
13:08.32pb_great.
13:13.43pb_maybe we should add pscalc2 to the gpe-apps2 metapackage.
13:18.17PaxAnimago ahead ;)
13:19.22pb_what license is it under, GPL?
13:20.06PaxAnimahmm... I think I've never put a license on any of my software, but it's GPL
13:20.33pb_okay, cool.  It'd be nice to have a note to that effect in the source distribution.
13:20.34PaxAnima(I'd guess)
13:21.18PaxAnimabut I've never really put anything in the open, except for a tarball now and then... but I'm thinking of getting better, put stuff in CVS etc.
13:23.03pb_That would be good.  I'm not really comfortable with putting the gpe2 imprimatur on something unless the source is clearly available.
13:23.23PaxAnimaI understand
13:24.54pb_incidentally, what's psCalc's window icon supposed to represent?
13:25.01pb_(not that it matters, I was just curious)
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13:28.29PaxAnimapb_: well, an advanced calculator ;) (but I guess I could make it look a bit nicer)
13:29.10PaxAnimaI took a calculator icon and changed it to look more like the typical graphical calculator, with a big scren etc.
13:29.13PaxAnimascreen
13:30.29pb_PaxAnima: this one?  http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17043.png
13:30.41PaxAnimano..
13:30.53pb_that's what I meant by the window icon.
13:31.01PaxAnimaah..
13:31.26PaxAnimahmm... don't think I set the window icon... gtk_window_set_icon() or something like that?
13:31.43pb_oh, right.  Maybe that's some kind of matchbox default.
13:31.50pb_Yes, gtk_window_set_icon is the right function.
13:32.31PaxAnimaI'll add it for the next release..
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13:33.10PaxAnimathat looks like a default matchbox icon, yes
13:33.21PaxAnimaoff to buy food and such.. bbl
13:43.19mallumPaxAnima: remember to set it with a png image
14:10.18paulpb_: ?
14:10.22paulpb_: ping
14:10.28pb_paul: yo
14:11.18paulpb_: you sure gnokii needs pxa_ir loaded?
14:11.31pb_if it wants to do irda, yes.
14:11.37paulpb_: hmm..
14:11.58paulpb_: i was under the impression the chip provided a very basic serial over ir functionality.
14:12.07paul(by default)
14:12.16pb_yes, you can run serial straight over ir, but that's not irda.
14:12.21paulpb_: aha.
14:12.46pb_do you think that's what gnokii wants?
14:12.48paulpb_: thats what gnokii wants though, right? (the gnokii docs specifically say "do not load any irda modules")
14:12.53pb_ah.
14:13.12paulpb_: whats the name of that simple serial over ir protocl? irlap? ir...?
14:13.13pb_I was sure I had used gnokii over irda successfully with my 6x10 phones.
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14:13.25pb_paul: dunno, I'm not sure it even has a name.
14:13.33pb_paul: "protocol" is dignifying it a bit too much.
14:13.48paulpb_: ok, well the name PC BIOSen use for it :)
14:13.54paulfor that port even.
14:14.04pb_mm, not sure.
14:14.06paulpb_: i have a 6110
14:14.16pb_ah, 6110 might be different.
14:14.31paulpb_: no sorry, 6210.
14:14.47paulpb_:  i was wrong about suspend.
14:15.08paulpb_: i hit the power button too many times in succession. (still its a bit fragaile)
14:15.25pb_okay.  I'm fairly certain the 6210 works with irda, though maybe gnokii can't use it in that mode.
14:15.31paulhmm..
14:15.52pb_I thought I had successfully run gnokii over irda with a 6210 using a usb irda dongle on my pc though.
14:16.18paulpb_: ok, but i should be able to attach minicom to the ir serial port and see something - eg if i point the 6210 at the bluetooth and do 'send card via ir' i should see something in minicom.
14:16.47paulpb_: thats possible, but i think the problem is that bootldr or whoever isnt enabling serial IR.
14:16.48pb_well, at present that won't work with h3900.
14:16.57paulah
14:17.06pb_the ir hardware is only enabled by the pxa_ir module.
14:17.41pb_if you think that running serial over raw infrared is a useful thing to do, we can push that functionality down into the hal, same as the bluetooth is handled.
14:18.09pb_but, I think the right way to talk to the 6210 is to run ircomm over irda, using pxa_ir.
14:18.43paulpb_: aha..
14:19.05paulpb_: how difficult would it be?
14:19.11pb_you probably shouldn't admit to gnokii that this is an infrared port, just tell it to run serial over /dev/rfcomm0.
14:19.17paulah..
14:19.25pb_I think I had best luck with "model = AT" in gnokiirc.
14:19.43pauldamn, battery is being sucked dry somehow.
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14:19.51florianre
14:19.54paulhi flo
14:19.59pb_florian: re
14:20.11florianpaul: hi
14:21.24pb_paul: that would be bug 662
14:22.10PaxAnimamallum: set it with a png name? gtk_window_set_icon() takes a GdkPixbuf*
14:23.36paulpb_: it seems even worse though with this netgear card plugged in.
14:24.17pb_paul: ah, hm.
14:24.31pb_paul: do the lights go off on the card when it is suspended?
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14:27.32paulpb_: light on the dongle has stayed on i've noticed.
14:27.43pb_hm.
14:28.03pb_maybe expansion power is not being properly disabled in sleep mode then.
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14:30.56florianjg: hello
14:37.07paulpb_: possible
14:38.04paulpb_: btw, if i had a bug against an init script, what package do i file against?
14:38.33paul(well, not a bug, but a line that could be added)
14:40.10jgflorian: hello.
14:40.22pb_paul: whatever package provides that script.  use "ipkg search".
14:40.28pb_jg: morning
14:40.31paulpb_: ta
14:41.31jgpb_: good morning...
14:43.18mallumPaxAnima: create a pixbuf from a png
14:43.28mallumPaxAnima: cant get this damn jped loader to work :/
14:43.42paulpb_: aha. its 'FIR'
14:44.25pb_paul: aha.
14:44.29jgmallum: how goes your new matchbox?
14:44.35paulpb_: or possibly SIR :)
14:45.05paulpb_: i think its SIR, and FIR is a newer spec for Fast (S)IR
14:46.12mallumjg: ok thanks :-)
14:46.35mallumhmm trying to find last years mail I backed up 'somehwere' :/
14:47.44paulhi jg
14:48.01jgmallum: so is it in the feed now, or still hacking?
14:48.05jgpaul: morning...
14:48.39florianpb_: ok, i found some errors in my sql creating function... works now :-)
14:48.42pauljg: my colleague could not recall any difference, adverse or positive, in the change i made to his ipaq.
14:48.47mallumjg: the feed has 0.5rc3-5 which == 0.5 :-)
14:48.55pauljg: ie renice -10
14:49.38mallumjg: I always nice up my xservers now, gives very noticeably improvements on the c700, debian X servers nice it up to 10 by defualt etc etc etc
14:49.40pb_florian: cool!
14:50.06jgmallum: so does this one have the fixes to let us use a slightly bigger font in mbdesktop?
14:50.22jgpaul: ok by me...
14:50.44florianpb_: now i think i should check if it _really_ works...
14:50.54pb_florian: oh, one other slight concern I had was this issue of names that start with an accented character.
14:50.56mallumjg: no, that'll be in the v.soon tobe released next one
14:51.11pb_florian: will names like that work properly with your new code?
14:51.22pb_(I know they didn't with the old one, but...)
14:51.43jgmallum: I sure hope it can make .7; it makes a big difference in appearence.....
14:52.48mallumjg: I doubt it'll make .7 :\ , the problem is it exposes the scrolling bug more - which imho is a bigger problem than a small font - its the lesser of 2 evils
14:53.15jgmallum: any idea of what the scrolling bug is?
14:54.06florianpb_: well, i think so - but maybe we should ship a config file for each charset...
14:54.14mallumjg: yes ( I fixed it now in this new mbdesktop btw ), it just doesn't always show the scroll buttons when it should
14:54.35pb_florian: ok, great.
14:55.30mallumjg: you can work around it by using the dpad to navigate the desktop, but most users arn't aware you can do that - so swicthing to bigger icons just makes people think 'where have my icons gone and how do I get at them'
14:55.46florianpb_: why there is no close button in contacts?
14:56.13dc_*awakens
14:56.16pb_florian: just an oversight I suppose.  if you want to add one, please feel free.
14:56.22pb_dc_: wb
14:56.44dc_:}
14:57.26jgmallum: I'm sure not aware of it.  What is "the dpad"?
14:58.22mallumjg: the direction pad
14:58.31mallumjg: arrow keys
14:59.09jgmallum: ah, yes....
15:03.48dc_arg..time to do more maths
15:05.56pb_:-/
15:14.37pb_jg: has there been any movement on integrating any of the ipv6 patches for X?
15:17.04jgpb_: none detected...
15:18.20pb_jg: darn.
15:21.19PaxAnimamallum: the icon is a png, so that shouldn't be a problem... does the size of the png matter?
15:21.30PaxAnimamallum: having problems with the jpeg loader?
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15:29.31mallumPaxAnima: no size shouldnt matter
15:29.44mallumPaxAnima: 48x48 is a safe size, or maybe even 64x64
15:30.06mallumPaxAnima: yeah its loading all the RGB data is screwy
15:30.28mallumPaxAnima: Im assuming Im getting an unsigned char array like RGBRGBRGB
15:30.43mallumPaxAnima: but I think Im actually getting something else :/
15:40.42PaxAnimahmm
15:40.56PaxAnimalet me have a look at my code
15:42.28PaxAnimamallum: the array is unsigned, yes
15:44.51PaxAnimamallum: http://pax.meir.nu/jpeg_loader.c <--- this is all my code.... very messy with all comments from the example file, though
15:44.57mallumPaxAnima: unsigned chars ? looking through the src on my box, it looks like thet could be shorts :\
15:45.17mallumPaxAnima: cool, thx
15:45.19florianbbl
15:45.42PaxAnimamallum: image->data is an unsigned char array, storing the image in rgbrgbrgbrgbrgb...
15:46.09mallumyep same as me, a byte for each component - right ?
15:46.18PaxAnimayes
15:46.53cmarqu_werkBBL
15:46.53PaxAnimamallum: don't you have rgbargbargba.. ?
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15:49.07pb_aha
15:53.00mallumPaxAnima: cool fixed it :-)
15:53.09mallumPaxAnima: thanking you sir
15:53.20PaxAnimamallum: no problem... what was wrong?
15:53.30mallumPaxAnima: looks like my example was different to the one yours was based one :\
15:53.44PaxAnimaoh?
15:53.54mallumPaxAnima: using JSAMPLEARRAY rather than JSAMPLE
15:54.36PaxAnimahmm.. I think I had to fix that myself, come to think about it...
15:54.47mallumpb_: ah ip6 geekery
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16:14.37jsmanriquehi
16:14.58PaxAnimahi
16:15.24jsmanriquereading about M$ Windows Journal I've been thinking if something similar couldn't be done with sketchbook app from GPE..
16:15.36jsmanriquehttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/tabletpc/evaluation/overviews/pctools.asp#journal
16:15.42pb_dc__: quite.  unfortunately, the X6 force seems to lack an Official Leer, so they can't compete with the normal X Strike Force.
16:15.53dc__hehe
16:16.14pb_crumbs, it's quite wet out there today.
16:16.16mallumjsmanrique: yeah the journal app is really nice
16:16.58dc__pb_: rain all over.
16:17.08pb_jsmanrique: yes, the grand plan for a gpe notebook application would involve tying sketchbook, soundbite and some kind of text-based thing together.
16:17.56jsmanriquepb_ : wooops
16:18.33jsmanriquemallum : I like its look and feel
16:18.45jsmanriquemallum : remembering classic notebook
16:19.25pb_jsmanrique: like so many things, we just lack someone to work on the project.
16:19.45pb_or, as Florian would say, "We need an army of hackers!"
16:21.43jsmanriquepb_ : yes, that's what I am doing many advertasing of GPE in Spain, specially in Gnome groups :-D
16:22.09dc__jsmanrique: :D
16:22.57pb_jsmanrique: yep, this is cool.
16:28.04jsmanriquepb_ : it would be cool if dozens of hackers appear :-D
16:28.35pb_:-)
16:28.36jsmanriquenow I am playing with OpenOffice 1.1beta and its pdf tool, a really nice tool, too
16:30.27pb_whoa, the xfree86 4.2.1 patch for ipv6 is 1.4M gzipped.
16:30.34pb_fear.
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16:34.22jsmanriquemallum : congratulations for mb 5.0
16:35.41jsmanriquea friend of mine is working on a file manager development for his studies, and he loves "low resources" software, so he uses xfce4 and he has felt in love with matchbox
16:36.28moraypb_: unfortunately it's likely we'll get more 'users' than developers appearing - perhaps we should deliberately sabotage something to discourage them for now? ;)
16:37.10jsmanriquemaybe I could join as developer for GPE :-)
16:38.17pb_moray: ha.
16:39.11dc__moray: good idea ;)
16:39.34jsmanriqueand maybe I will sell my h3850 to one of my friends who would like to do some development on it
16:40.17pb_jsmanrique: how many ipaqs would that leave you with?
16:41.12dc__mallum: what's the deal with backlight control on the c700, have you descovered a dev device yet?
16:41.47jsmanriquepb_ : two
16:41.56dc__jsmanrique: !
16:42.02jsmanriquepb_ : my "old" 3100
16:42.11jsmanriquepb_ : and my "new" 3870
16:42.22dc__:)
16:42.27moraywhy do you have both a h3850 and h3870?
16:42.52pb_jsmanrique: aha, right.
16:42.53jsmanriquemoray : I've just bought the 3870, so I have my 3850 "on sale"
16:43.19morayis that much of an upgrade? (I don't know what the differences are)
16:43.26pb_bluetooth is the main difference.
16:43.30morayah right.
16:43.37pb_might be the only difference, actually.
16:43.42jsmanriqueI buy them second hand. put Linux on them, and then sold as Linux pda to my friends
16:43.52morayha
16:43.58jsmanriquea friend of mien bought recently a 3950
16:44.08pb_jsmanrique: sounds like a nice racket.
16:44.10jsmanriqueand he has put GPE on it too
16:44.16morayah good
16:45.33jsmanriquehere are some photos from my friend's ipaq: http://www.asturlinux.org/galeria/taller-h3950
16:49.29jsmanriqueand we have photos from an informal meeting about handhelds we (some LUG members) had a year ago more or less: http://www.asturlinux.org/galeria/taller-manrique
16:53.05pb_dc__: any news on that problem with symlinks in gpe-filemanager?
16:54.35dc__pb_: not yet, I think I just need to use gnome-vfs to see if it's a symlink then lookup the actualy uri of the file it's linked to.
16:54.48pb_dc__: sounds cool
16:54.57dc__pb_: but I need to finish of these maths papers first :-\
16:55.11pb_dc__: righto.
16:55.23dc__pb_: btw, what was the mistake I made with renaming?
16:55.38PaxAnimadc__: you didn't use RPN mode in psCalc2 when doing your maths yesterday?
16:56.27pb_dc__: dirname() destroys the string you pass in to it, so you must make a copy first.
16:56.36jsmanriqueyesterday Windows Sever 2003 was presented here.. and the new great thing is that "to move a user to a new group you can move it with the mouse" :-D
16:57.03jsmanriquePaxAnima : hey! hello!
16:57.08PaxAnimahi, jsmanrique
16:57.14PaxAnimajsmanrique: got my mail?
16:57.24jsmanriquePaxAnima : yes, sorry, I haven't found time
16:57.51pb_dc__: the effect was that rather than rename("/home/pb/a.txt", "/home/pb/b.txt"), you were actually calling rename("/home/pb", "/home/pb/b.txt").  Renaming a directory on top of a file is not allowed.
16:57.53dc__pb_: ah, heh.
16:57.55jsmanriquePaxAnima : but at least, we have a spanish dictionary for minipredict
16:58.21pb_dc__: (and renaming a directory as a child of itself is doubly not allowed)
16:58.38jsmanriquePaxAnima : next step for me (if I find time) is Spanish xkbd layout
16:58.39dc__pb_: thanks, I was aware that the new filename was given as (null), but wasn't sure why.
16:58.42PaxAnimajsmanrique: nice..
16:59.11pb_dc__: yeah, the dirname() behaviour is pretty broken.  I wonder if there is a glib wrapper for it that avoids the pitfall.
17:01.21jsmanriquedc__ : I've found in filemanager that sometimes scroll bar don't appear
17:03.52dc__jsmanrique: indeed, I think that's fixed in the new version
17:06.44jsmanriquedc__ : cool!
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17:35.13mallumanyone seen this -> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pocketpcitalia.com%2Fcms3%2Ftemplates%2FPPC-NEWS.ASP%3Farticleid%3D306%26zoneid%3D1%0D%0A&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools ( ipaq 5550 )
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18:00.16chrisimehallo
18:00.33pb_hi chrisime
18:02.30chrisimeanything new?
18:02.35chrisimei was busy all week
18:02.41pb_did you try 0.7-rc1 yet?
18:02.46chrisimeno
18:02.51pb_then that is new :-)
18:03.00chrisimei was busy
18:03.24chrisimethe s.e. praktikum eats about 2/3 of all my current time
18:05.24dc_wtf,
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18:35.54jgnelson: hi.
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19:14.24nelsonjg: hi.  Been rebooting my machine a lot.  Playing with Xinerama.
19:14.40nelsonjg: Having the "Can't read V_BIOS" problem.
19:14.58nelsonjg: are you liking your cable modem?
19:18.56pb_nelson: did you see my question yesterday about make-busyboot?
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19:41.30florian_hi all
19:42.10pb_hi florian_
19:42.55pb_ibot, seen mccarthy?
19:42.55mccarthy <~mccarthy@granular.che.pitt.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 1d 4h 54m 27s ago, saying: 'mallum: you might already know this, but....FYI, with the latest matchbox (I just upgraded now), scrolling seems to work, but the scroll *buttons* are not visible unless an xkbd or something is on the screen'.
19:43.04florian_pb_: look at the scap site... :)
19:43.36pb_florian_: aha, cool!
19:44.44mallumflorian_: did you make that theme ?
19:46.05florian_mallum: which one?
19:46.23mallumflorian_: the desktop shots with all new ( noah? ) icons
19:48.42florian_mallum: nope, but looks cool...
19:50.15florian_the gpe-contacts shot is mine...
19:54.00nelsonpb_: yes, saw it, no, haven't checked it in.
19:54.39pb_nelson: aha.  could you?  I'd like to build an image for myself to check that all the right stuff is getting into task-bootstrap now.
19:54.56pb_(rather than wait for rc2 and discover that something else was forgotten)
19:57.10nelsonpb_: it's http://handhelds.org/~nelson/make-busyboot
19:57.15pb_nelson: thanks
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21:02.56florian_dc_: hi
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21:31.33spunganyone wanto to help me build garnome?
21:31.34spung:
21:31.35spung:D
21:31.53spungi can't build libIDL
21:33.06spung./lexer.l: In function `__IDL_lex_cleanup':
21:33.06spung./lexer.l:396: `YY_NEW_FILE' undeclared (first use in this function)
21:33.06spung./lexer.l:396: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
21:33.06spung./lexer.l:396: for each function it appears in.)
21:33.07spung/home/luis/garnome/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h: At top level:
21:34.05pb_sounds like your flex might lack.
21:34.27pb_you might have better luck in the #garnome channel though.
21:35.00spungpb_: not really just came from there.. everyone's idling
21:35.04spungpb_: i have flex
21:35.12pb_spung: what version of flex?
21:35.38spungluis@pomajxego:~$ flex --version
21:35.39spungflex 2.5.31
21:36.02spung(pomajxego means Big Apple in esperanto btw :)
21:36.09pb_hm, I have 2.5.4
21:36.43florianpb_: you didn't understand the calendar problem :-)
21:36.51pb_florian: ah, sorry.
21:36.57pb_florian: want to try to explain it again?
21:37.56florianpb_: yes, shure - the date in... let me chage to english first....
21:40.33spungi downgraded flex
21:40.36spungstill no luck
21:41.08florianpb_: the date for a new event defaults to the selected date in calendar, this is ok and works for an appointment.
21:42.28pb_florian: right.
21:42.30pb_spung: hrm.
21:42.49florianpb_: changing the event type to "reminder" the date defaults to currrent date - this is wrong i think
21:43.27pb_florian: aha, right.
21:43.34pb_florian: I had overlooked the bit about "reminder".
21:44.22florianpb_: ah, ok :-)
21:45.19florianpb_: btw. do you know a reason why i should't check in my changes to gpe-contacts?
21:49.01spungpb_: apt-get install libidl-dev didn't help
21:49.44pb_florian: no, please do check them in.
21:49.48pb_spung: :-/
21:50.20pb_florian: try gpe-calendar in cvs, I think your bug should be fixed there.
21:51.20florianpb_: ok, ok :-)
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22:02.38spungpb_: well, either using and older gcc or unseting the altivec flags fixed it
22:03.14pb_spung: aha.
22:11.49florianpb_: calendar from cvs segfaults... it could be broken, or my toolchain is :-/
22:12.50floriancmarqu: there?
22:15.33pb_florian: hm, oh dear.
22:15.38pb_florian: is that on desktop, or ipaq?
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22:20.45florianpb_: in ipaq
22:20.55florians/in/on
22:21.43pb_florian: okay.  I haven't tested there yet.
22:21.46pb_does it segfault straight away?
22:22.12florianyep, let me look what strace says
22:23.01florianmprotect(0x4056a000, 225280, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC) = 0
22:23.02florianmprotect(0x4047b000, 462848, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0
22:23.02florianmprotect(0x4047b000, 462848, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC) = 0
22:23.02florianmunmap(0x40016000, 9613)                = 0
22:23.02florian--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
22:23.18pb_hrm.
22:23.20florianthere are 15 mprotec
22:23.28floriant lines befoere this...
22:24.08florianthis happens very fast - i think this is a problem with this cross toolchain
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22:29.25florianwhat does my ipaq's kernel want to tell me with this?  ptrace: bogus breakpoint trap
22:29.52pb_it's a kernel bug, I think.
22:32.20florianok, let's hope it dissapears with -hh12 :-)
22:35.37moray'look'/'theme'?
22:37.16florianhmm... "theme" is not enough - but "look" sounds good... is "global look" good english?
22:38.57moraynot sure, it's probably reasonable American at least...
22:39.12moraythe words don't seem to go together especially well though :/
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22:43.52florianhmm.. yes - sounds strange... :-/
22:50.29florianwhat about "GPE lookout"?
22:50.56florianor is this ambiguous?
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23:03.01florianthis must be an error in this dictionary - they provide several translations for "lookout" - one is a synonym for "appearance" :-/
23:12.06moraymaybe some people use it like that, I don't know
23:13.06florianok, useless in our case
23:15.58moraywhat's going to be controlled under it?
23:20.03florianIt's the current "Global Appearance" configuration of gpe-conf - theme, fonts, colors, background...

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