| 00:15.13 | paulj | weehee i have ppp to my ipaq. joy! |
| 00:28.12 | dc___ | heh |
| 00:28.20 | dc___ | and I have a segfaulting matchbox :D |
| 00:28.21 | dc___ | yay |
| 00:28.32 | paulj | good man |
| 00:28.50 | dc___ | whay! |
| 00:28.53 | dc___ | I fixed ittt |
| 00:28.54 | paulj | i havnt had connectivity to the ipaq for a week or so. (pb broke usb-eth, bad /bad/ pb) |
| 00:28.55 | dc___ | w00000000000t |
| 00:29.07 | paulj | you're l33t! :) |
| 00:29.19 | dc___ | paulj: obviously your good luck :D |
| 00:29.47 | paulj | dc___: if i get any jokes about leprechauns and lucky charms.... |
| 00:29.48 | paulj | :) |
| 00:30.04 | dc___ | heheh |
| 00:30.13 | paulj | right.. 2 ticks. |
| 00:34.45 | paulj | dc___: so got any scaps of your c700? |
| 00:34.52 | dc___ | one sec.. |
| 00:36.51 | dc___ | time to install gpe-conf |
| 00:48.04 | spung | well, mac os x is nice and all |
| 00:48.07 | spung | nice effects |
| 00:48.09 | dc___ | heh |
| 00:48.11 | dc___ | but! |
| 00:48.16 | dc___ | spung: you want debian! |
| 00:48.22 | spung | dc___: right :) |
| 00:48.26 | dc___ | :D |
| 00:48.59 | spung | dc___: will install both for now.. i'll try to use mac os x, i'll give it a chance, try fink, etc.. |
| 00:50.00 | spung | my powerbook has an american keyboard, i'm not sure if that's cool |
| 00:50.48 | moray | spung: hm, it's only the position of the modifier keys etc. that worries me - e.g. do they put a Fn key in a stupid place? |
| 00:51.07 | spung | moray: bottom left corner |
| 00:51.14 | spung | where ctrl usually is |
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| 00:51.52 | moray | spung: gah, silly |
| 00:52.01 | spung | this one's a bit of a pain on emacs.. i guess ill but it in the caps position |
| 00:52.27 | moray | yes, that would seem best |
| 00:52.51 | spung | well, i'm so astonished that i haven't done anything useful, lol |
| 00:52.56 | spung | just watched a dvd |
| 00:53.03 | dc__ | cooolio |
| 00:53.29 | spung | and the screen is damn big, i wonder what the 17" is like!? |
| 00:53.53 | moray | yours is 15"? |
| 00:54.05 | spung | yes |
| 00:54.29 | dc__ | ccool :) |
| 00:54.36 | spung | it's 1280x854 |
| 00:54.47 | moray | some people still have '15"' but really < 14" desktop monitors |
| 00:54.50 | moray | spung: ah right |
| 00:55.26 | spung | moray: yeah, i have a 800x600 crt so that may be why i find this one so big :) |
| 00:56.15 | moray | spung: well, I only have 1024x768 on my desktop (well, two of those...) |
| 00:56.41 | moray | hm, maybe I need another monitor some time (or swap these onto other machines and replace them on it) |
| 00:57.25 | spung | the hardware qualitay is amasing, apple thinks a lot about the details, it's a joy to open the case :) |
| 00:57.42 | dc__ | indeed. |
| 00:57.44 | moray | right - a few ibooks I've seen have been less convincing in that way |
| 00:57.49 | dc__ | they sure do build them solid |
| 00:57.53 | spung | jolly good |
| 00:57.54 | dc__ | moray: ! |
| 00:57.55 | spung | spiffy |
| 00:58.05 | moray | <screech, grind grind screech> |
| 00:58.30 | moray | "er, is it meant to make that noise?" I say, with the thing still only half-open... |
| 00:58.47 | spung | right |
| 00:58.47 | spung | well |
| 00:58.51 | spung | i have a dvd bruner |
| 00:58.55 | spung | burner |
| 00:58.57 | spung | and a dvd-r |
| 00:59.08 | spung | yet i'm not sure what to do with them :D |
| 00:59.10 | moray | right, so your own portable warez factory? ;) |
| 00:59.22 | dc__ | yeah, right/ |
| 00:59.42 | spung | i feel bad for not knowing what to do with the dvd-r :\ |
| 01:01.14 | spung | i think i'm going to install debian tomorrow at the univ |
| 01:01.25 | spung | because of my traffic issue |
| 01:01.53 | dc__ | right |
| 01:01.53 | dc__ | heh |
| 01:04.09 | spung | i hope the wireless is working in my dept |
| 01:04.18 | spung | i don't want to go to the library :P |
| 01:04.32 | dc__ | hehe |
| 01:07.11 | spung | but damn, i don't have a bag to carry it :\ |
| 01:07.47 | dc__ | ! |
| 01:08.23 | spung | forgot to buy one |
| 01:09.18 | spung | i guess some sweaters and a few book around in my normal bag will do it? :\ |
| 01:14.01 | paulj | ferk |
| 01:16.46 | dc__ | oh dear. |
| 01:17.12 | moray | paulj: ouch - what happened? |
| 01:17.35 | dc__ | I need sleep |
| 01:18.08 | paulj | moray: tried to flash in 2.19.71. which appeared to work. |
| 01:18.24 | paulj | moray: reset it and the splash screen says 2.19.56 (the one i had installed). |
| 01:18.28 | paulj | moray: and no serial console. |
| 01:18.30 | paulj | :( |
| 01:18.47 | moray | you've tried a full reset etc.? |
| 01:19.18 | paulj | 'full'? |
| 01:20.44 | moray | paulj: well, depending on the model you can do a true power-off etc. |
| 01:20.58 | paulj | moray: ? |
| 01:21.40 | dc__ | night |
| 01:21.50 | dc__ | spung, paulj: good luck ;) |
| 01:27.04 | paulj | bork bork... ipaq bricked. |
| 01:29.04 | flypiper | paulj: what is it doing?? |
| 01:29.39 | flypiper | paulj: if you have a crl bootldr screen showing.. it's not bricked |
| 01:29.42 | paulj | flypiper: its printing the splash screen |
| 01:29.51 | flypiper | then it's not bricked |
| 01:29.55 | paulj | flypiper: of the version that i though i'd flashed over. |
| 01:30.03 | paulj | flypiper: phew :) |
| 01:30.06 | flypiper | bricked is like when you suspend it.. black screen |
| 01:30.07 | paulj | flypiper: but its doing nothinh |
| 01:30.30 | paulj | flypiper: no serial console, no boot. |
| 01:30.44 | paulj | flypiper: how oo i recover? |
| 01:31.08 | flypiper | bootldr .56 is showing on splash screen right?? |
| 01:31.11 | paulj | flypiper: wait wait... i have something. |
| 01:31.15 | paulj | flypiper: yes |
| 01:31.19 | paulj | i have serial console. |
| 01:31.28 | moray | paulj: ah, by doing what? |
| 01:31.35 | paulj | moray: no idea :) |
| 01:31.37 | flypiper | did you md5 the bootldr before you flashed it? |
| 01:31.55 | paulj | flypiper: yes, its good. |
| 01:31.57 | flypiper | moray sounds like some kinda bootldr autism.. had that before .. it's scarey |
| 01:32.19 | paulj | moray: i just kept reseting it. i also did a reset with middle button held down |
| 01:32.41 | flypiper | ahhh joypad press and reset ... good |
| 01:32.59 | paulj | flypiper: so why did it not work? hmm.. |
| 01:33.23 | flypiper | paulj: seems that the new bootldr didn't get flashed to me |
| 01:33.40 | paulj | flypiper: it did though - i watched it! :) |
| 01:33.54 | paulj | flypiper: right, lets try again |
| 01:34.10 | flypiper | paulj: did your serial cable wiggle loose during or before flashing?? |
| 01:34.23 | paulj | flypiper: no, dont think so. |
| 01:34.31 | flypiper | hmmmm .. sure is odd |
| 01:34.33 | moray | cosmic rays? |
| 01:35.00 | flypiper | moray: sounds like it.. |
| 01:35.32 | paulj | flypiper: ok flashing again. |
| 01:36.20 | paulj | its erasing (just like last time) |
| 01:36.47 | paulj | writing |
| 01:36.59 | paulj | verified, formatted and done |
| 01:37.10 | paulj | flypiper: i'm back at the boot prompt |
| 01:37.17 | paulj | flypiper: so now i just reset, right? |
| 01:37.22 | flypiper | yep |
| 01:37.38 | paulj | same thing /again/ |
| 01:38.03 | paulj | still .56, no serial console. |
| 01:38.20 | flypiper | paulj: download another bootldr and md5sum it |
| 01:38.31 | paulj | flypiper: md5sum is fine! :) |
| 01:38.53 | paulj | [paul@hibernia paul]$ md5sum /var/tmp/bootldr-2.19.71.bin ; cat /var/tmp/bootldr-2.19.71.bin.md5sum |
| 01:38.53 | paulj | d6a2f31a0dc51aef925c69b2ef01a11a /var/tmp/bootldr-2.19.71.bin |
| 01:38.53 | paulj | d6a2f31a0dc51aef925c69b2ef01a11a bootldr-2.19.71.bin |
| 01:39.01 | flypiper | paulj: your using xmodem right |
| 01:39.04 | paulj | yes |
| 01:39.24 | paulj | i tried first time to use ymodem (set ymodem=1) but it still used xmodem. |
| 01:40.19 | paulj | flypiper: oh doh doh D'OH! |
| 01:40.32 | moray | ? |
| 01:40.35 | flypiper | ? |
| 01:40.58 | paulj | load root |
| 01:41.02 | moray | ha |
| 01:41.06 | flypiper | hey |
| 01:41.06 | paulj | i've been loading it to root... |
| 01:41.13 | flypiper | load bootldr |
| 01:41.16 | moray | indeed |
| 01:41.19 | moray | :) |
| 01:42.00 | paulj | doh. |
| 01:42.01 | paulj | sorry. |
| 01:42.10 | flypiper | np |
| 01:43.12 | paulj | bingo |
| 01:49.25 | paulj | drat.. i thought .71 supported 48MB ROM? |
| 01:59.47 | spung | how sad to go to sleep |
| 01:59.56 | spung | with this powerbook here :) |
| 02:00.13 | flypiper | spung: SLEEP... with a new powerbook... are you sick?? |
| 02:00.39 | spung | flypiper: i'm sooo tired :/ |
| 02:01.01 | flypiper | spung: been there.. have a good nite :) |
| 02:01.06 | spung | :) |
| 02:01.18 | spung | i held a workshop today it's hard work :) |
| 02:05.53 | spung | g'night |
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| 07:20.21 | florian | morning all |
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| 07:50.48 | florian | cmarqu_werk: hello, morning |
| 07:53.11 | cmarqu_werk | Hi florian |
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| 08:10.30 | florian | PaxAnima: morning... |
| 08:10.41 | PaxAnima | morning, florian |
| 08:25.01 | florian | bbl |
| 08:27.31 | paulj | hey.. who fixed gpe-nmf/gst? |
| 08:27.42 | paulj | i can play mp3's on 39xx! weyhey! |
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| 08:47.03 | dc_c700 | weeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 08:47.59 | paulj | is it just me or is 0.7-rc1 (kernel rmk6-pxa1-hh11) really /really/ slow? |
| 08:49.25 | dc_c700 | heh |
| 08:49.49 | paulj | seriously, its like treacle. |
| 08:49.56 | paulj | really noticeable with gpe-filemanager. |
| 08:50.09 | dc_c700 | indeed |
| 08:50.16 | dc_c700 | I have noticed |
| 08:50.34 | paulj | yeah, but worse than usual. |
| 08:50.44 | dc_c700 | pb_ seemed to think it was gpe-fm's fault |
| 08:50.48 | paulj | dillo scrollling is quite slow too. |
| 08:51.17 | paulj | dc_c700: put it this way, if i echo 100000 > /proc/sys/cpu/0/speed i see /no/ change in speed. |
| 08:51.30 | paulj | similarly if i echo 400000. |
| 08:51.41 | paulj | its liek the thing is clocked to 100MHz. |
| 08:52.07 | paulj | either X has suffered a serious regression speedwise |
| 08:52.15 | paulj | or the kernel has a problem. |
| 08:58.19 | cmarqu_werk | Don't we have a new GTK too? |
| 08:59.01 | paulj | cmarqu: could that be it? |
| 08:59.25 | paulj | ok, part of the problem was the wireless monitor dock app was 'flickering' and causing lots of work for Xipaq. |
| 08:59.31 | paulj | (dumb wireless monitor) |
| 08:59.44 | paulj | but its still not as fast as it used to be 2 weeks ago. |
| 08:59.55 | cmarqu_werk | I don't know... |
| 09:01.11 | cmarqu_werk | When I use gpe-nmf, it seems to use the same amount of CPU as before (25-30%). It it was indeed clocked down, it would be more, right? |
| 09:01.25 | cmarqu_werk | "If it..." |
| 09:01.41 | paulj | if you lowered the clock it should take more cpu. |
| 09:01.57 | paulj | (seems logical to me anyway) |
| 09:02.34 | cmarqu_werk | Yeah, so that suggests that your /proc/sys/cpu/0/speed experiment is flawed in some other way. |
| 09:02.59 | paulj | cmarqu: or that the latest kernel is broken wrt to changing clock? |
| 09:03.17 | paulj | cmarqu: maybe our ipaqs are running at 200MHz by default? :) |
| 09:03.55 | paulj | cmarqu: or do you mean something else? |
| 09:04.19 | cmarqu_werk | I mean the first. |
| 09:05.12 | paulj | it could be. |
| 09:05.17 | cmarqu_werk | Or, yeah, they could all be running at 100MHz. That would be nice, since we could double our speed easily then :) |
| 09:05.26 | paulj | cmarqu: my ipaq feels like its clocked down. |
| 09:05.50 | cmarqu_werk | I just played around a little, and it feels like always. |
| 09:06.00 | paulj | cmarqu: double? my ipaq is PXA - its usually 399MHz :) |
| 09:06.01 | cmarqu_werk | It is rc1 upgraded to unstable. |
| 09:06.08 | paulj | cmarqu: yes |
| 09:06.38 | cmarqu_werk | Ah, I have a 3600. So PXA vs. SA could be the difference. |
| 09:06.48 | paulj | cmarqu: but usually clocking down to 200MHz is quite noticeable, clocking down to 100 even more. clocking back to 300+ makes the ipaq 'zip' again. |
| 09:07.06 | paulj | cmarqu: but the thing is running like its at 200MHz :( |
| 09:07.09 | paulj | or lower. |
| 09:07.18 | cmarqu_werk | Hmm. |
| 09:07.25 | paulj | it feels like |
| 09:07.43 | paulj | plus i dont see anything in dmesg |
| 09:07.54 | cmarqu_werk | We should have benchmarks at different levels: pure CPU, X, GTK. |
| 09:08.00 | paulj | ah wait. |
| 09:08.04 | paulj | i do now. |
| 09:08.24 | cmarqu_werk | Then run the benchmark at pre10 and rc1. |
| 09:08.34 | paulj | Changing CPU frequency to 398 Mhz (PXbus=99Mhz). |
| 09:08.41 | paulj | Changing CPU frequency to 199 Mhz (PXbus=99Mhz). |
| 09:08.45 | paulj | Changing CPU frequency to 398 Mhz (PXbus=99Mhz). |
| 09:08.49 | paulj | so not that. |
| 09:08.59 | paulj | cmarqu: you are far too methodical :) |
| 09:09.17 | cmarqu_werk | :) |
| 09:09.54 | paulj | cmarqu: if pb cant of a recent change or problem, i'll run some benchmarks. (cpu, X, gtk..) |
| 09:10.00 | paulj | try isolate the problem. |
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| 09:10.21 | paulj | s/\(pb cant\)/\1 think/ |
| 09:10.31 | paulj | cmarqu: and speak of the devil :) |
| 09:10.34 | cmarqu_werk | Or ask jamey, he is the kernel guy. Maybe it's really a PXA vs. SA thing. |
| 09:10.52 | pb_ | morning |
| 09:10.52 | cmarqu_werk | Hi pb_ |
| 09:10.59 | paulj | pb_: morning |
| 09:11.06 | pb_ | hi paulj |
| 09:11.07 | paulj | pb_: my 39xx seems very slow. |
| 09:11.10 | pb_ | hi cmarqu_werk |
| 09:11.31 | paulj | pb_: in gpe at least. |
| 09:11.44 | pb_ | paulj: hrm. |
| 09:11.49 | pb_ | paulj: is this a new development? |
| 09:11.56 | paulj | pb_: newish. |
| 09:12.30 | pb_ | Can you pin down roughly when it started happening? |
| 09:12.44 | paulj | pb_: between approx 2 weeks ago (with rmk6-pxa1-hh9 and unstable) and today where i've installed 0.7-rc1 and upgraded to unstable (rmk6-pxa-hh11). |
| 09:13.07 | paulj | pb_: no i cant, cause when i upgraded 2 weeks ago to hh10 usb/wlan stopped working. |
| 09:13.16 | pb_ | Okay. You could try putting the old kernel back on and see if that helps. |
| 09:13.22 | paulj | pb_: i might try that. |
| 09:13.39 | paulj | pb_: maybe its just my imagination, but it seems unusually sluggish. |
| 09:13.44 | paulj | (in GPE) |
| 09:13.47 | pb_ | Is the machine just generally slow all over, or any particular operations? |
| 09:14.08 | paulj | its while in X. |
| 09:14.14 | paulj | pb_: where i notice it. |
| 09:14.16 | pb_ | I guess you could also try running benchmarks to look for obvious performance loss. |
| 09:14.34 | paulj | pb_: something i might try. |
| 09:15.02 | paulj | gpe-fm /really/ crawls. (rather than just hobbling along as it usually does). |
| 09:15.15 | paulj | the icons in gpe-fm appear one... by.... one.... by.... one.... |
| 09:15.27 | pb_ | Ah, I think Damien reported that effect as well. |
| 09:15.40 | pb_ | That would suggest it isn't 3900 specific, since he doesn't have one of those :-} |
| 09:15.55 | paulj | scrolling in dillo is really bad whereas usually its acceptable. |
| 09:16.05 | paulj | pb_: well, gpe-fm just isnt fast. |
| 09:16.14 | pb_ | Okay. I don't have my 3900 here at the moment. Let me fire up my 3600 though and see how that performs. |
| 09:16.22 | paulj | pb_: but its worse than normal. |
| 09:16.24 | pb_ | paulj: no indeed, but he did mention it had got a lot slower for him recently. |
| 09:16.28 | paulj | as is dillo. |
| 09:16.31 | paulj | pb_: aha. |
| 09:16.39 | pb_ | paulj: including the description of icons "appearing one by one". |
| 09:17.00 | paulj | pb_: ok, then perhaps the other effects i'm seeing are because i'm trying to see them. |
| 09:17.04 | paulj | (if that makes sense) |
| 09:17.08 | pb_ | yeah, could be. |
| 09:17.22 | paulj | in that case _phew_ |
| 09:17.35 | paulj | pb_: btw, who fixed gst and sound on the 39xx? |
| 09:17.42 | paulj | pb_: mp3 playing works! |
| 09:18.30 | pb_ | ok, yeah, gpe-fm is poor on my 3600 as well. |
| 09:18.57 | paulj | installed rc1, copied an mp3 over expecting that either gst would still be broken, or else that at least sound would still have 'pops' - but no, its perfect! |
| 09:19.06 | paulj | pb_: poor? its on its last legs :) |
| 09:19.16 | pb_ | paulj: florian fixed gst. |
| 09:19.26 | paulj | florian: thank you! |
| 09:19.40 | pb_ | paulj: turns out there were some missing files. |
| 09:19.43 | paulj | aha |
| 09:19.55 | paulj | well, mp3's work perfectly. |
| 09:20.03 | paulj | pb_: now all i need is mmc support :) |
| 09:20.06 | pb_ | cool. |
| 09:20.10 | pb_ | paulj: andyc is working on that. |
| 09:20.34 | paulj | ah.. |
| 09:21.19 | paulj | pb_: also, bootldr 2.19.71 does not see my second bank of flash. |
| 09:21.31 | pb_ | paulj: I don't think any version of bootldr supports dual bank flash yet. |
| 09:21.43 | paulj | ah, that makes sense then. |
| 09:21.44 | paulj | :) |
| 09:21.55 | pb_ | paulj: we should try to fix this soon though. |
| 09:22.04 | pb_ | bootblaster also needs to be taught about it. |
| 09:22.23 | paulj | i thought someone told me they had flashed .71 and it supported 48MB? |
| 09:22.43 | pb_ | paulj: dunno. I think whoever said that was mistaken, anyway. |
| 09:22.54 | paulj | pb_: there's /some/ kind of support there in bootldr, just doesnt seem enabled. i was digging through the makefiles, but couldnt find anything. |
| 09:23.54 | pb_ | paulj: hm, what makes you say that? |
| 09:24.01 | paulj | the top of the changelog |
| 09:24.26 | paulj | i'm not sure whether it refers to dual banks of flash or DRAM though. |
| 09:24.37 | paulj | (let me guess, it says dram?) |
| 09:24.54 | pb_ | paulj: yes, that's dram. |
| 09:24.58 | paulj | doh |
| 09:25.05 | pb_ | for ipaqs that have been upgraded to 128MB+ |
| 09:25.28 | pb_ | (jamey has a 128MB pxa255 3900 now, I think) |
| 09:25.32 | paulj | nice |
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| 09:26.59 | paulj | pb_: would the problem be easier if the desire to map the 16MB bank to above the 32MB bank was removed? |
| 09:28.34 | paulj | anyway, i have to sleep. |
| 09:28.44 | paulj | bye for now |
| 09:40.07 | pb_ | hah, handhelds.org is out of disk space. |
| 09:40.57 | PaxAnima | wow |
| 09:46.05 | pb_ | well, actually just /var is full. It's only a 2G partition, and the httpd logs are about 1.5G now which doesn't leave much room for anything else. |
| 09:46.31 | PaxAnima | wow.. who wants 1,5gb og https logs? |
| 09:46.52 | PaxAnima | og=of |
| 09:47.26 | pb_ | I guess handhelds.org does :-) |
| 09:48.37 | pb_ | oh, actually I was wrong, it's only 950M. I guess the other 500M must be something else. |
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| 09:58.25 | florian | hi all |
| 09:58.42 | PaxAnima | hi again, florian |
| 10:01.59 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 10:06.51 | florian | bbl |
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| 11:00.41 | pb_ | dc__: morning |
| 11:01.01 | dc__ | my damn phone hasn't come in the post thismorning, how boring. |
| 11:01.13 | mallum | dc__: hey |
| 11:01.29 | dc__ | moring mallum, pb_ |
| 11:01.31 | mallum | dc__: I decided against new powerbook :( |
| 11:01.35 | dc__ | anyhow, I've got gpe install on my c700 |
| 11:01.42 | pb_ | dc__: ah cool |
| 11:01.46 | mallum | dc__: cool |
| 11:01.48 | dc__ | it seems it installs fine from unstable using gpe-apps |
| 11:01.52 | dc__ | mallum: why..? |
| 11:02.14 | mallum | dc__: ah dont really need a new one to justify cost |
| 11:03.15 | dc__ | quite. |
| 11:04.18 | PaxAnima | dc__: mind trying psCalc2 on the c700? |
| 11:04.40 | mallum | dc__: is matchbox running ok now ? |
| 11:06.26 | dc__ | mallum: yeah, I was right, it's the blondie theme. |
| 11:06.32 | dc__ | :} |
| 11:07.36 | mallum | dc__: okey, I wonder whats up with that then ... |
| 11:12.20 | mallum | dc__: tis fine on my desktop with the same compile time options :( |
| 11:12.39 | dc__ | strante. |
| 11:12.43 | dc__ | strange. |
| 11:12.57 | dc__ | what's the difference bettween blondie and bluebox then..... |
| 11:13.47 | mallum | bluebox is xpm based and pretty simple |
| 11:14.05 | mallum | blondie is all pngs and does alpha blending, shaped windows etc |
| 11:14.10 | dc__ | hrm |
| 11:14.12 | dc__ | indeed. |
| 11:14.32 | dc__ | ooooh. |
| 11:14.38 | dc__ | oof. |
| 11:14.39 | mallum | dc__: gorilla is the theme to use on the c700 really ;-) |
| 11:14.43 | dc__ | rxvt-aa is boxored. |
| 11:14.59 | dc__ | mallum: right, let me try out the crystal meta one |
| 11:17.08 | mallum | dc__: you get no text displayed on rxvt-aa ? |
| 11:19.48 | mallum | dc__: or just lost of [] 's ? |
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| 11:32.12 | dc___ | heh |
| 11:32.48 | dc___ | mallum: sorry, I was disconnected about 5 miuntes ago. |
| 11:32.48 | dc___ | mallum: did you have any ideas on the rxvt-aa problem |
| 11:36.08 | dc___ | removed, -aa, problem, solved. |
| 11:36.15 | dc___ | I was probly missing a font or something :-\ |
| 11:38.18 | mallum | <mallum> dc__: you get no text displayed on rxvt-aa ? |
| 11:38.18 | mallum | <mallum> dc__: or just lost of [] 's ? |
| 11:38.27 | mallum | dc__: I think you need to get a new ISP |
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| 11:57.04 | dc_c700 | yay |
| 11:57.44 | dc_c700 | hrm...this must mean that my desktop is dissconnected :-` |
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| 11:58.08 | dc_c700 | hi dc__ |
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| 12:09.09 | dc__ | infg |
| 12:13.04 | dc__ | ofmfg...I said that 4 minutes ago |
| 12:13.04 | dc__ | lag... |
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| 12:23.33 | dc_c700 | bit better |
| 12:24.06 | dc__ | mallum: well, mbcrystal works great :D |
| 12:25.09 | mallum | <mallum> <mallum> dc__: you get no text displayed on rxvt-aa ? |
| 12:25.09 | mallum | <mallum> <mallum> dc__: or just lost of [] 's ? |
| 12:25.21 | dc__ | mallum: lots of []'s |
| 12:25.56 | mallum | dc__: yeah installker an older pre-pb hacked rxvt-aa and it'll be fine |
| 12:26.27 | dc__ | ah right |
| 12:31.31 | mallum | dc__: how come no school ? |
| 12:32.10 | mallum | dc__: oh, and have you played with installing arm debs on the c700 - alot more stuff 'works' thanks to bigger display |
| 12:34.42 | dc__ | heh |
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| 12:45.36 | mallum | dc__: nice |
| 12:46.00 | dc__ | yep, although I do have work I need to get done :-\ |
| 12:46.00 | dc__ | heh |
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| 12:47.04 | dc__ | great ibot |
| 12:47.57 | dc__ | arg |
| 12:48.02 | dc__ | where's my damn T68i |
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| 13:10.51 | mallum | dc__: are you running keylaunch on the c700 btw ? |
| 13:11.08 | dc__ | oh, could be |
| 13:11.21 | mallum | dc__: is it turning off keyrepeat ? |
| 13:11.34 | dc__ | no |
| 13:14.22 | dc_c700 | mallum: have you got sound working, or rather nmf? |
| 13:15.04 | mallum | dc_c700: no I dont thing the zaurus has OSS |
| 13:15.11 | dc_c700 | probly just gstreamer or something wrong, as I get static from the headphones out, suggestung that sound it actually working |
| 13:15.23 | dc_c700 | ah okay, right. |
| 13:16.17 | dc__ | mallum: also, does kapm-idled take up 90% cpu all the time on yours? |
| 13:17.51 | mallum | dc__: yeah sucks |
| 13:17.59 | dc__ | heh |
| 13:18.05 | mallum | dc__: its not really using 90% cpu though |
| 13:18.42 | mallum | dc__: have you noticed how apm only gives 100,75,50,25 percent too ? |
| 13:18.52 | dc__ | yeah |
| 13:19.00 | dc__ | it's the same with the sharp rom |
| 13:19.05 | dc__ | I think it must be the hardware. |
| 13:19.15 | dc__ | the battery monitor was never acurate. |
| 13:19.19 | mallum | you have the same kernel as the sharp rom :-) |
| 13:19.42 | mallum | the OZ ppl fixed it up for th 5500, hopefully the same will happen for the c700 |
| 13:19.53 | dc__ | right |
| 13:20.38 | mallum | dc__: http://kxl.hn.org/games.php |
| 13:23.07 | dc__ | PaxAnima: oooh, psCalc is nice. |
| 13:23.29 | dc__ | mallum: whay |
| 13:24.33 | dc__ | mallum: how cool |
| 13:25.06 | mallum | dc__: I think they must have some issues on ppc thouhg :\ |
| 13:25.20 | mallum | dc__: you can apt-get the kxl lib needed by them |
| 13:25.31 | dc__ | ah, doh |
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| 13:49.47 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 14:06.36 | pb_ | re |
| 14:10.22 | dc___ | hey pb_ |
| 14:15.00 | dc___ | mallum: what's the associator for .mbkbkeys file? |
| 14:16.20 | dc___ | pb_: oh and um...what session files does gpe-login use to start mb etc..? |
| 14:23.43 | pb_ | dc___: it runs everything in /etc/X11/Xsession-gpe.d. |
| 14:23.55 | pb_ | dc___: I think the last one is 99window-manager, or some such, and that's what starts matchbox. |
| 14:24.19 | dc___ | pb_: it seems that for some reason as root it works, but as a new user, it doesn't start mb or anything |
| 14:24.37 | pb_ | dc___: that's bizarre. do you get anything in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 14:25.32 | pb_ | dc___: could also try running "gpe-dm -n" from a terminal, and watching for error messages there. |
| 14:26.18 | dc___ | hehhh |
| 14:26.33 | dc___ | cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 14:26.57 | dc___ | by /etc/Xqq/Xsession |
| 14:27.02 | dc___ | s/qq/11 |
| 14:30.16 | mallum | dc___: associator ? |
| 14:30.56 | dc___ | mallum: like SomXKey->/usr/bin/foo |
| 14:31.08 | dc___ | mallum: the -> bit, is it -> or => or what? |
| 14:31.52 | mallum | dc___: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/manual/ |
| 14:32.30 | dc___ | how organised :D |
| 14:32.33 | dc___ | doh,hehe. |
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| 14:34.13 | pb_ | dc___: heh. what are the permissions on /dev/null? |
| 14:34.20 | florian | re |
| 14:34.25 | pb_ | florian: re |
| 14:36.29 | dc___ | they were 744 |
| 14:36.41 | pb_ | dc___: suck. should be 666 or so, I think. |
| 14:36.41 | dc___ | now they are 755...but still not luck |
| 14:36.56 | dc___ | doh |
| 14:37.00 | pb_ | dc___: needs to be writable by all users, not executable |
| 14:37.39 | pb_ | dc___: should give kergoth a kicking about that. |
| 14:38.15 | florian | gtkimage.h:85: parse error before `GdkPixbufAnimationIter' |
| 14:38.51 | mallum | dc___: http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/3474.html |
| 14:38.54 | pb_ | florian: wow, never seen that before. |
| 14:38.54 | florian | i get this while compiling libgpewidget - what's too old? |
| 14:40.35 | pb_ | florian: dunno. which file in libgpewidget? |
| 14:41.27 | dc___ | mallum: wow, that's kind of cook, guess iit's just like winamp |
| 14:42.03 | mallum | dc___: yeah its that winamp theme I showed you hacked up a little |
| 14:42.11 | florian | gtkdatecombo.c |
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| 14:44.03 | dc___ | mallum: obviously a popuplar one :) |
| 14:46.23 | florian | ah, with my build system includes it works... my gtk is too old :-/ |
| 14:48.28 | mccarthy | mallum: you might already know this, but....FYI, with the latest matchbox (I just upgraded now), scrolling seems to work, but the scroll *buttons* are not visible unless an xkbd or something is on the screen |
| 14:49.48 | mallum | mccarthy: yeah scrolling is being ditched |
| 14:50.43 | dc___ | oh dear. |
| 14:50.55 | dc___ | X keyboard has gone mad. |
| 14:52.08 | dc___ | ah keylaunch |
| 14:52.11 | dc___ | how evi |
| 14:53.23 | pb_ | florian: aha. |
| 14:53.30 | dc___ | weeeeeeeee screen rotation |
| 14:53.30 | pb_ | dc___: :-/ |
| 14:54.42 | mallum | dc___: the problem with that keyevent for screen rotation, is Im not sure if its really for a case close |
| 14:54.43 | florian | pb_: ok, now gpe-contacts: libgcc_s.so.1... seems to be needed now, what for? |
| 14:55.01 | mallum | dc___: you get the same event if the screen is closed either way :\ |
| 14:55.15 | pb_ | florian: more or less anything built with gcc3 will need that. |
| 14:55.23 | dc___ | mallum: yeah, I just stole the panel app scripr |
| 14:55.31 | pb_ | florian: sounds like something is missing "Depends: libgcc1". |
| 14:55.56 | dc___ | mallum: there must be another key for case close |
| 14:56.48 | mallum | dc___: not theres not ... cat /dev/console and move the case around |
| 14:58.12 | dc___ | no such device... |
| 14:58.13 | dc___ | :-\ |
| 14:59.32 | mallum | dc___: sounds like your /dev tree is a little messed up |
| 14:59.35 | florian | pb_: strange - i used Nils toolchain - afaik this is not gcc3 |
| 15:01.07 | dc___ | indeed. |
| 15:01.08 | dc___ | :-\ |
| 15:01.09 | dc___ | hrm. |
| 15:01.31 | dc___ | where can I get a list of avalible keysyms? |
| 15:03.01 | pb_ | florian: maybe it links with a shared library that was gcc3 compiled. |
| 15:03.25 | florian | pb_: ah yes, this is possible... |
| 15:05.08 | mallum | dc___: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/keysyms.h ? |
| 15:05.31 | florian | pb_: looks so, much less linker errors :-) |
| 15:05.58 | dc___ | great. |
| 15:06.08 | dc___ | oooh, I have suspend working aswell now :)) |
| 15:07.50 | mallum | dc___: cool |
| 15:08.50 | dc___ | weeeeeeeee |
| 15:09.05 | dc___ | and know the little jog wheel switches matchbox windows. |
| 15:09.20 | dc___ | s/know/now/ |
| 15:09.21 | dc___ | hehe |
| 15:10.16 | mallum | cool :-) |
| 15:10.24 | mallum | thats a nice idea |
| 15:10.47 | dc___ | I set them as Super_L and Super_R |
| 15:11.13 | dc___ | then we can also have a script that puts them back to Left and Right when your in portrait mode and want to scroll |
| 15:11.36 | dc___ | oh dear. |
| 15:12.28 | dc___ | is corgie.xmodmap really for c700? |
| 15:12.52 | mallum | dc___: no its for the toshiba e370 |
| 15:12.53 | dc___ | my d key prints . only now |
| 15:13.13 | dc___ | yeah, right. |
| 15:13.18 | dc___ | maybe I messed it up |
| 15:13.40 | mallum | yeah, play nicely with xmodmap |
| 15:13.58 | mallum | does restarting X fix it ? |
| 15:14.58 | dc___ | ye |
| 15:15.00 | dc___ | cool |
| 15:20.08 | dc___ | hrm |
| 15:20.29 | dc___ | it seems matchbox doesn't reasile when the xmodmap table changes? |
| 15:23.37 | dc___ | orrr |
| 15:23.41 | dc___ | xmodmap is being lame |
| 15:23.51 | dc___ | we'll hgo with the latter :} |
| 15:25.45 | mallum | oooh -> http://zile.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:26.07 | mallum | dc___: no unfortunatly matchbox doesn't currently deal with the keyboard being remapped |
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| 15:30.50 | pb_ | dc__: did changing the permissions on /dev/null fix the not-root thing? |
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| 15:33.35 | nelson | mallum, pb_: should matchbox_0.5rc3-5_arm.ipk go into 0.7 ? |
| 15:34.40 | pb_ | nelson: I believe so, yes. |
| 15:34.56 | mallum | nelson: yes |
| 15:36.36 | nelson | Okay, thanks. |
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| 15:42.26 | pb_ | doh |
| 15:42.39 | florian | mallum: what's with the mbdesktop configuration stuff? |
| 15:44.51 | mallum | florian: its comiing man, its coming ;-) |
| 15:46.12 | florian | mallum: :-)) |
| 15:46.35 | florian | mallum: are you faster than nelson? ;-) |
| 15:48.12 | mallum | florian: its actually in CVS if you want to try :-) |
| 15:48.39 | mallum | florian: UNSTABLE_V6 branch |
| 15:49.08 | dc__ | florian: I have to bow to you. |
| 15:49.14 | dc__ | florian: gpe-conf is now leet :D |
| 15:51.13 | pb_ | sure is. |
| 15:51.36 | florian | dc__: :-)) |
| 15:51.53 | pb_ | dc__: btw, is filemanager now sufficiently 1337 that I should build a new package? |
| 15:52.24 | dc__ | pb_: can we wait untill tomorrow morning or later night? |
| 15:52.34 | dc__ | pb_: I'd like to get the mime stuff working :} |
| 15:52.35 | florian | but still very much of work.... |
| 15:52.43 | pb_ | dc__: sure, just tell me when. |
| 15:52.47 | dc__ | pb_: but actualy, ... |
| 15:52.55 | dc__ | pb_: one now would be usefulll. |
| 15:53.02 | dc__ | pb_: I'd like to see how much faster it is |
| 15:53.02 | pb_ | dc__: righto. |
| 15:53.43 | pb_ | dc__: ok, will build one soonest. |
| 15:54.16 | pb_ | dc__: can you check that the makefile, control file, etc are up to date? |
| 15:54.27 | dc__ | sure |
| 15:55.59 | dc__ | pb_: right, updated the version |
| 15:56.44 | dc__ | pb_: it seems next version will be 0.1, how neat. |
| 15:59.26 | dc__ | florian: maybe with the network config you could display the assigned ip for an if using dhcp? |
| 16:00.37 | florian | dc__: yep, this would really be useful.... |
| 16:11.42 | florian | ahh, cool! |
| 16:13.37 | pb_ | dc__: new package uploaded. |
| 16:24.43 | mallum | pb_: I have all this GPL'd ARM asm for doing blits etc - could I expect much performance increase using some of that in mbpixbuf ? |
| 16:26.40 | mallum | pb_: or can I trust gcc to do a good enough job of handling that ? |
| 16:27.25 | pb_ | mallum: I doubt it will help with blits, though there may be areas where assembler will improve matters. If it isn't pxa-optimised it may even make things go more slowly. |
| 16:28.08 | pb_ | Image scaling and compositing, say, might be worth looking at implementing in asm. |
| 16:28.45 | mallum | pb_: cool |
| 16:43.17 | florian | pb_: i did some work on gpe-contacts (tab configuration, speed...) but i can't crosscompile it - would you like to check this later this evening? |
| 16:44.12 | pb_ | florian: sure, sounds great. |
| 16:44.15 | mallum | pb_: this is ARM asm code -> http://warmi.net/zaurus/blits.shtml |
| 16:45.44 | florian | pb_: i hope so :-) |
| 16:51.14 | pb_ | mallum: ah right. well, doesn't look like it has been optimised for xscale, but it might be worth running some benchmarks to see if it's a win nonetheless. |
| 16:51.55 | mallum | pb_: ah good idea |
| 16:51.56 | pb_ | florian: are your changes checked into cvs? |
| 16:53.32 | pb_ | mallum: this kind of thing tends to be quite sensitive to the size of the image you are dealing with. For really small images, "clever" algorithms tend to have such a high startup penalty that they are a net loss; for large images you end up being IO-bound anyway and at that point the algorithm doesn't make much difference. |
| 16:55.52 | florian | pb_: no, i dont't think this makes sense until i know if it really works |
| 16:56.07 | mallum | pb_: I guess I need to test ... |
| 16:56.31 | pb_ | florian: okay. want to send me a patch in that case? |
| 16:59.00 | florian | pb_: yep, is later this evening ok? |
| 16:59.19 | pb_ | florian: sure, just send it whenever you're ready. |
| 17:00.04 | florian | pb_: ok |
| 17:04.42 | florian | bbl |
| 17:16.36 | PaxAnima | dc__: tried psCalc on the c700? |
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| 18:25.34 | paul_ | hi pb |
| 18:25.57 | pb_ | hi paul_ |
| 18:26.09 | paul_ | pb_: sound stops working after suspend/resume |
| 18:27.48 | pb_ | paul_: oh dear. |
| 18:27.58 | pb_ | paul_: wanna file that in bugzilla? |
| 18:28.07 | paul_ | pb_: yeah, will do. |
| 18:28.19 | paul_ | pb_: i have a back log of bugzilla thingies i have to file :) |
| 18:28.59 | pb_ | righto, cool |
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| 18:34.23 | paul | hi moray |
| 18:35.02 | moray | hi paul |
| 18:35.17 | paul | pb_: also, rc1 doesnt start hcid, so gpe-bluetooth says "bluetooth not supported by kernel" when you select "switch radio on" |
| 18:35.28 | paul | pb_: i guess sdpd should be started too. |
| 18:35.36 | pb_ | paul: main problem there is that the bluetooth modules are missing, I think. |
| 18:35.50 | pb_ | paul: afaik, hcid would start if the modules were present. |
| 18:35.50 | paul | pb_: no, i had them. |
| 18:36.00 | pb_ | ah, hm. |
| 18:36.06 | paul | pb_: ah. |
| 18:36.14 | paul | pb_: well, perhaps i installed them later. |
| 18:36.17 | pb_ | "bluetooth not supported by kernel" is definitely a bluez-not-loaded thing, nothing to do with hcid directly. |
| 18:36.26 | paul | pb_: but once i started hcid it worked. |
| 18:36.44 | paul | pb_: there's no symlinks in /etc/rc2.d to start hcid |
| 18:36.48 | pb_ | paul: ah. |
| 18:38.04 | pb_ | paul: strange, I see S40hcid in rc2.d and rc4.d. |
| 18:38.22 | pb_ | paul: what version of bluez-utils do you have? |
| 18:38.35 | paul | pb_: ah doh, yes. sorry it was /sdpd/ i added. |
| 18:38.42 | pb_ | ah. |
| 18:38.43 | paul | pb_: ok, never mind.. i'm wrong as usual. |
| 18:39.08 | pb_ | paul: sdpd isn't necessary in normal operation, only if you want the ipaq to advertise services. |
| 18:39.10 | paul | pb_: it must have been a module problem that caused hcid not to start that i later somehow fixed. |
| 18:39.16 | paul | pb_: ah |
| 18:39.32 | paul | pb_: also, is gpe-conf supposed to setuid root? |
| 18:39.47 | pb_ | paul: does sound like a module problem of some kind. should be fixed in rc2, I hope. |
| 18:39.55 | pb_ | paul: hm, not sure, don't think so. |
| 18:40.27 | paul | pb_: (cause it isnt, and its not letting me do privileged config, though i have 'let users change all settings' set in global config) |
| 18:40.39 | pb_ | paul: ah, hm, it is setuid on my machine. |
| 18:40.53 | pb_ | paul: maybe that's how it's meant to be, though I seem to remember setuid gtk programs were considered somewhat harmful. |
| 18:41.00 | paul | pb_: yeah, my (usually bad) memory told me it thought it should be setuid. |
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| 18:41.13 | paul | pb_: yes they are. i guess florian is the guy to ask. |
| 18:41.18 | pb_ | best check with florian, indeed. |
| 18:45.00 | paul | pb_: the pxa bootldr needs its default kernel command line updating. |
| 18:45.12 | paul | pb_: its passing wrong value for the serial console. |
| 18:46.53 | dc___ | PaxAnima: yeah! |
| 18:47.11 | pb_ | paul: yeah, I was kind of hoping to deal with that as per #587. |
| 18:47.15 | dc___ | PaxAnima: it rocks, just finished on of my maths mocks using it ;) |
| 18:47.29 | paul | pb_: aha, so i /dont/ need to file that one. |
| 18:47.36 | dc___ | PaxAnima: all the coloured buttons and all make it so fun |
| 18:48.01 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:48.25 | pb_ | paul: nope, no need to file in this instance. you could work on fixing it, though! |
| 18:48.32 | paul | pb_: :) |
| 18:49.22 | paul | pb_: should be trivial (presuming bootldr already supports setting different kernel cla's for different arches in the makefile or somewhere) |
| 18:49.56 | paul | (hence fact it isnt done makes me guess it is that support which bootldr needs added to it) |
| 18:49.58 | pb_ | paul: not sure. It could be made to, but I would prefer a params-based fix. |
| 18:50.03 | paul | pb_: ? |
| 18:50.10 | pb_ | paul: did you read the bug? |
| 18:51.11 | paul | pb_: actually, what is stupid is that the kernel has different names for 'the serial console' device depending on whether its SA1100 or PXA. |
| 18:52.00 | pb_ | ibot, search google for information request about serial driver |
| 18:52.42 | paul | pb_: ok, sounds sensible, where does this file go? in the /boot dir of the root jffs2 partition? |
| 18:52.56 | pb_ | paul: yep |
| 18:53.27 | paul | pb_: yeah, i know the technical reasons for it, but its still a linux wart. |
| 18:53.37 | pb_ | paul: yeah, it sucks. |
| 18:53.59 | pb_ | paul: there's no particular reason it couldn't be done the same way as parallel ports, or ethernet adapters, or scsi disks, or whatever. |
| 18:54.21 | pb_ | just historical cruft really. |
| 18:54.48 | paul | pb_: same thing with disks.. why should i care whether its scsi or ide, just give me a device file for disks in order of detection. |
| 18:54.48 | dc___ | pb_: are you aware of any way to make platform specific packages without using another feed... |
| 18:55.03 | paul | (or location, even better) |
| 18:55.05 | dc___ | pb_: or...can I just put one feed before another in ipkg.conf to get around it? |
| 18:55.35 | pb_ | dc___: you can put the appropriate architecture in the Architecture line. |
| 18:56.07 | pb_ | paul: right. |
| 18:56.10 | dc___ | pb_: ah great, and what is that check against on the system. |
| 18:56.28 | dc___ | pb_: I'm thinking more model specific, i.e. c700 :} |
| 18:56.28 | pb_ | dc___: "arch" lines in /etc/ipkg.conf and /etc/ipkg/*.conf |
| 18:56.34 | dc___ | ah okay |
| 18:56.38 | dc___ | sounds good. |
| 18:56.50 | pb_ | dc___: e.g. you can put "ipaqpxa" for pxa ipaqs, and I think kergoth uses the codenames for different zaurus flavours. |
| 18:56.56 | pb_ | so c700 would be corgi or whatever it's called. |
| 18:56.59 | dc___ | florian may be up form some c700 gpe-conf ipkgs in the coming months then |
| 18:57.09 | dc___ | yep |
| 18:57.36 | paul | pb_: well, really there should be several ways to categorise devices, location, detection, type (eg scsi vs ide) - there's no reason a kernel cant provide them all for me if it has a decent device registration layer :) |
| 18:58.08 | pb_ | dc___: but, on the other hand, we should try to apply pressure towards fewer different package flavours, not more. so, if you can reasonably detect c700-specific things at runtime, that might be better. |
| 18:58.46 | paul | pb_: the boot/params support is there already? |
| 18:59.05 | pb_ | paul: yep, boot/params has been supported pretty much forever. |
| 18:59.31 | paul | pb_: excellent. |
| 19:00.02 | pb_ | paul: have you looked at the 2.5 sysfs at all? |
| 19:00.05 | paul | which reminds me.. why does the handhelds.org intel machine not have the same /home as the arm cluster machines. |
| 19:00.38 | paul | pb_: not looked at, read various descriptions of it on l-k and it seems interesting. |
| 19:00.49 | paul | pb_: devfs is nice too, but badly implemented. |
| 19:00.55 | paul | nice in concept. |
| 19:00.58 | pb_ | paul: dunno, maybe just historical reasons. |
| 19:01.22 | paul | pb_: very strange, i rebooted and still no sound. hmm.. |
| 19:01.32 | pb_ | paul: you could ask admin@handhelds.org if it would be possible to mount the skiffs' /home on handhelds.org somewhere. |
| 19:01.53 | pb_ | paul: weird. |
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| 19:03.30 | pb_ | paul: Greg Kroah-Hartman also has his "udev" thing built on top of sysfs, which sounds cool. |
| 19:03.45 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 19:03.46 | paul | pb_: yeah that seems interesting, very interesting. |
| 19:03.59 | paul | pb_: the sysfs idea is nice though. |
| 19:04.08 | paul | sysfs == driverfs, right? |
| 19:04.20 | paul | so much nicer than ioctl. |
| 19:04.35 | pb_ | yeah, I think so. not sure though. |
| 19:05.08 | jg | pb_: ho |
| 19:05.41 | paul | pb_: also, i hope linus gets his way on the mknod() stuff -> ie mknod(major,minor) (as opposed to historical unix definition of mknod(.., ..., dev_t) |
| 19:05.58 | paul | pb_: neither am i, but following the development is fascinating. |
| 19:06.28 | pb_ | yeah. I haven't been subscribed to linux-kernel for years now, so I only hear this stuff at second hand. |
| 19:07.13 | paul | which driver do i need to modprobe for pcmcia? |
| 19:07.27 | paul | sa1100_cs? or is that not relevant to pxa? |
| 19:07.33 | pb_ | several. "pxa" is the low-level one. |
| 19:07.47 | pb_ | also sa1100_h3600 (!), ds. |
| 19:08.01 | pb_ | not sa1100_cs though, that one is for sa-1100 only. |
| 19:09.45 | paul | hmm.. |
| 19:10.19 | paul | cardctl says 'Socket 0: ..... [ready], [bat dead]' ?? |
| 19:10.47 | pb_ | what were you expecting? |
| 19:11.22 | paul | bat dead - is that normal? |
| 19:12.16 | pb_ | not really, but it isn't necessarily cause for alarm either I don't think. |
| 19:12.20 | pb_ | does it ID the card properly? |
| 19:12.48 | paul | yes |
| 19:13.33 | paul | aha, course.. /etc/init.d/pcmcia didnt start |
| 19:14.02 | pb_ | aha |
| 19:14.05 | dc___ | heheh |
| 19:14.30 | pb_ | dc___: mm, did we ever get to the bottom of this problem with "set time" in gpe-clock? |
| 19:17.16 | paul | pb_: would you have a fixed usb-eth for pxa/hh11? |
| 19:17.26 | pb_ | paul: didn't I give you one of those already? |
| 19:17.31 | paul | for hh10 |
| 19:17.46 | dc___ | pb_: installing gpe-conf solved it ;) |
| 19:17.47 | pb_ | dc___: aha. |
| 19:17.57 | pb_ | dc___: looks like my error trapping lacks. |
| 19:17.58 | dc___ | I now have gpe running very nicely |
| 19:18.02 | dc___ | :) |
| 19:18.12 | dc___ | I wonder if I should dd out my fs into an image or something if I can. |
| 19:18.17 | pb_ | paul: um. use insmod -f maybe. |
| 19:18.25 | pb_ | paul: or sweet-talk jamey into making hh12 :-) |
| 19:18.29 | paul | :) |
| 19:18.33 | paul | i'll wait. |
| 19:18.34 | dc___ | hehe |
| 19:18.37 | dc___ | poor jamey |
| 19:18.47 | paul | ah.. /proc/hal/assets works now too, neat! |
| 19:18.57 | dc___ | I do wonder. |
| 19:19.01 | pb_ | dc___: sounds good. |
| 19:19.18 | dc___ | so I guess we need to put mallum's packages into unstable with the arch set correctly right? |
| 19:19.28 | dc___ | and make some things conflict with stuff like xcalibrate. |
| 19:19.48 | dc___ | pb_: new gpe-fm uploaded yet? |
| 19:19.49 | pb_ | dc___: I think the ipaq should probably move to a tslib-based xserver also. |
| 19:20.10 | pb_ | dc___: yeah, a few hours ago actually. sorry, must have forgotten to say. |
| 19:20.11 | dc___ | pb_: ah okay. so that needs organising with whoever then |
| 19:20.11 | dc___ | pb_: no, np. |
| 19:20.11 | pb_ | dc___: jg would be the man. |
| 19:21.08 | pb_ | dc___: I don't think there should be any need to have architecture-specific packages for X. |
| 19:21.16 | dc___ | right |
| 19:21.29 | paul | can gpe-nmf save its playlist? |
| 19:21.38 | pb_ | paul: dunno. didn't you ask that yesterday? |
| 19:21.44 | paul | no :) |
| 19:21.51 | pb_ | ah, must have been someone else :-} |
| 19:22.06 | pb_ | or maybe I'm just losing the plot, who knows. |
| 19:22.37 | cmarqu | pb_: That was mccarthy. And me a few days before him :) |
| 19:22.47 | pb_ | cmarqu: Oops. Right. |
| 19:23.50 | pb_ | well, I guess the take-home message from this deja-vu fest is that gpe-nmf ought to be made to save playlists if it can't already. |
| 19:24.04 | pb_ | paul: sounds like another bugzilla opportunity. |
| 19:24.09 | paul | :) |
| 19:27.12 | paul | pb_: why do we have h3900-uda1380 and uda1380? |
| 19:27.39 | pb_ | paul: uda1380 is a generic-ish driver for the uda1380 chip. h3900-uda1380 is the glue that's specific to the ipaq. |
| 19:28.06 | pb_ | paul: the latter module might be better named just "h3900-audio" or something. |
| 19:28.12 | paul | pb_: then h3900-uda1380 needs to have a dependency on uda1380, no? |
| 19:28.33 | pb_ | shouldn't be necessary, it will autoload it when required. |
| 19:28.40 | paul | pb_: cause at moment (iirc) modprobe h3900-uda1380 does not cause uda1380 to get loaded. |
| 19:28.44 | paul | and vice versa. |
| 19:28.54 | pb_ | hm. |
| 19:29.15 | pb_ | paul: it does for me. |
| 19:30.03 | pb_ | there's a potential pitfall there in that "rmmod -a" will in theory unload it again. but I don't think rmmod -a works with busybox modutils, so we are safe at present. |
| 19:30.33 | paul | pb_: how though? |
| 19:30.49 | pb_ | paul: h3900-uda1380 does "modprobe uda1380" in its init function, if I remember right. |
| 19:30.57 | paul | aha. |
| 19:31.00 | pb_ | or well, the request_module() equivalent. |
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| 19:31.35 | paul | pb_: there are no dependencies between them obvious from modules.dep |
| 19:31.41 | pb_ | paul: right. |
| 19:31.47 | pb_ | paul: they do not have a dependency in that sense. |
| 19:32.14 | pb_ | paul: this is similar to how h3600_hal doesn't depend on h3900-asic. |
| 19:32.21 | paul | ah |
| 19:33.06 | pb_ | and, in fact, h3900_asic has the same rmmod -a vulnerability for the same kind of reasons. |
| 19:33.14 | paul | its non-obvious that the way to fix sound not working is modprobe uda1380 - when one can see that h3900-uda1380 is loaded and thinks 'why doesnt it work?' |
| 19:33.43 | paul | pb_: proper module deps'd be nicer wouldnt they? |
| 19:33.47 | pb_ | well, I think it does spit out messages in the log saying something like "make sure uda1380 is loaded". |
| 19:35.06 | pb_ | yeah, proper dependencies might be a nice idea. need to make sure that doesn't result in the modules becoming impossible to unload though. |
| 19:35.55 | paul | pb_: right.. |
| 19:36.13 | pb_ | paul: however, I am a bit mystified as to how you are ending up with uda1380 not loaded in the first place. |
| 19:36.30 | paul | let me reboot again |
| 19:36.47 | paul | pb_: what should be in a 39xx /etc/modules? |
| 19:37.01 | pb_ | mine reads: |
| 19:37.10 | pb_ | apm |
| 19:37.11 | pb_ | h3600_ts |
| 19:37.11 | pb_ | sa1100-rtc |
| 19:37.11 | pb_ | h3600-sleeve |
| 19:37.11 | pb_ | h3600_generic_sleeve |
| 19:37.11 | pb_ | h3600-uda1341 |
| 19:37.13 | pb_ | </flood> |
| 19:37.19 | paul | oops |
| 19:37.22 | pb_ | but that isn't correct, because it needs h3900-uda1380 instead of h3600-uda1341. |
| 19:37.29 | paul | yes, i replaced that in mine. |
| 19:37.44 | paul | should pxa be in there too? |
| 19:37.56 | pb_ | no, that's loaded by pcmcia initscripts. |
| 19:38.01 | paul | right. |
| 19:38.07 | paul | ok.. lets reboot and see what happens |
| 19:38.07 | pb_ | check PCIC in /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia if it isn't happening for you. |
| 19:38.20 | paul | aha... yes. |
| 19:38.24 | paul | forgot about that. |
| 19:38.24 | pb_ | I think we may still have problems with those config files getting destroyed on upgrade. |
| 19:38.32 | paul | pb_: yes, we do. |
| 19:38.45 | pb_ | if so, that would seem like an 0.7 blocking issue. you know what to do with those, right? |
| 19:38.51 | paul | pb_: yes :) |
| 19:39.05 | paul | pb_: some of those h3600 drivers should be renamed. |
| 19:39.16 | paul | pb_: if they are in fact h3xxx drivers. |
| 19:39.21 | paul | h3600 is confusing. |
| 19:39.41 | pb_ | paul: yah, probably true, but renaming things is also confusing. |
| 19:39.46 | paul | yes |
| 19:40.02 | paul | ok, pcmcia didnt come up. |
| 19:40.03 | pb_ | I think at least some of those drivers are appropriate for h5450 also. |
| 19:40.19 | paul | ah |
| 19:41.23 | paul | they should just be renamed to ipaq or somesuch <whatever> then. ipaq-{generic-sleeve,sleeve,rtc,etc..} |
| 19:41.23 | pb_ | dc___: btw, I just uploaded a new gpe-dm which should (I hope) play nicely with the /etc/X11/X naming for the server. |
| 19:41.28 | paul | ah |
| 19:41.43 | pb_ | yeah, probably. |
| 19:42.29 | paul | no pcmcia |
| 19:42.54 | paul | pcmcia script is trying to insmod sa1100_cs |
| 19:42.59 | pb_ | doh |
| 19:43.00 | paul | so thats the PCIC setting, right? |
| 19:43.01 | pb_ | sounds like wrong PCIC |
| 19:43.04 | pb_ | yeah |
| 19:43.32 | paul | and it should be? |
| 19:43.35 | paul | pxa? |
| 19:43.43 | pb_ | yep |
| 19:44.56 | paul | pb_: so pcmcia and certain /etc/ config file owning packages really need to have multiple packages for each arch. |
| 19:45.02 | paul | no sound though |
| 19:45.30 | pb_ | paul: they probably ought to sort out that stuff at runtime, and/or just refrain from overwriting the config files on upgrade. |
| 19:45.35 | paul | ok, i have uda1380 loaded, but no sound. |
| 19:46.06 | pb_ | darn. |
| 19:46.27 | paul | i modprobe uda1380 - it works. |
| 19:46.35 | paul | but.... uda1380 /was/ loaded. |
| 19:46.42 | pb_ | ! |
| 19:46.49 | paul | i think a dependent module wasnt, i2c-core. |
| 19:46.56 | pb_ | weird. |
| 19:47.00 | pb_ | anything in dmesg? |
| 19:47.58 | paul | let me check. |
| 19:49.38 | paul | also, the linux mtd driver appears to see "bootldr","root","asset" /and/ "IPAQ flash bank 2", "second H3XXX root jffs2" and "second asset" |
| 19:49.39 | paul | ??? |
| 19:49.48 | paul | why dont i see these in bootldr 'partitions'?? |
| 19:50.08 | pb_ | paul: no support for second flash bank in bootldr. |
| 19:50.21 | paul | but i can use it in linux? |
| 19:50.39 | pb_ | yes, I think so. chri made a patch. |
| 19:50.48 | paul | excellent. |
| 19:50.59 | paul | no, there's nothing interesting there really. |
| 19:51.06 | paul | exceppt that i2c-core was already loaded. |
| 19:51.10 | paul | odd. |
| 19:51.40 | mallum | jg: 'ello guv |
| 19:51.56 | paul | ok, food. |
| 19:57.23 | pb_ | nelson: is make-busyboot up to date in cvs at present? |
| 20:10.27 | jg | mallum: I dunno how to drawl quite like that :-). |
| 20:23.22 | mallum | jg: ok dont worry :-) |
| 20:23.36 | mallum | jg: have you played with this no machine NX stuff ? |
| 20:25.38 | jg | mallum: nope. |
| 20:26.34 | mallum | jg: me niether :-( , I want to though ... reckon its any good ? |
| 20:26.54 | jg | mallum: dunno. |
| 20:27.04 | jg | mallum: guy seems to be bright, so it may be good. |
| 20:28.33 | mallum | jg: yeah, also it appears that everything you need to get it going is GPL/BSD'd |
| 20:28.53 | mallum | jg: I think the non-free stuff just puts a shiny face on it all |
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| 20:53.50 | florian | hi |
| 21:01.57 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 21:04.07 | paul | hi florian |
| 21:04.33 | florian | hey paul, pb_ |
| 21:05.32 | paul | florian: gpe-conf, is it supposed to be setuid root? |
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| 21:07.05 | florian | paul: yes, it forks after launch into a suid root backend and the frontend running with normal user permissions. |
| 21:07.17 | paul | ah. |
| 21:07.24 | paul | so it should be setuid root? |
| 21:07.30 | paul | cause it isnt in rc1 |
| 21:07.44 | pb_ | paul: it was correctly setuid root for me. |
| 21:07.53 | paul | oh? |
| 21:07.56 | paul | it isnt here? |
| 21:08.06 | paul | but i upgraded to unstable after flashing rc1 though. |
| 21:08.13 | pb_ | hm, me too. |
| 21:08.30 | paul | arg.. why does sound not start? |
| 21:08.52 | florian | the postinst script should set the suid bit... |
| 21:08.53 | paul | plus i have to ifdown/ifup eth0 to make it get an ip address. (from boot it doesnt...) |
| 21:08.56 | pb_ | gpe-conf2.postinst definitely does "chmod +s /usr/bin/gpe-conf", which looks right. |
| 21:09.19 | paul | ah well. |
| 21:10.42 | florian | paul: thats possible - you need to remove eth0 from the "auto" line in /etc/network/interfaces the next version of gpe-conf will handle this correct... |
| 21:10.51 | paul | ah |
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| 21:11.26 | paul | florian: so lo should be only auto interface? |
| 21:11.38 | pb_ | right. |
| 21:11.39 | florian | paul: yep |
| 21:11.52 | pb_ | paul: auto is for non-hotplugged interfaces. |
| 21:15.23 | paul | pb_: aha |
| 21:16.25 | spung | what are the command and option keys on the powerbook? |
| 21:16.31 | florian | who creates the gpe-edit packages? |
| 21:17.29 | pb_ | florian: me, usually. |
| 21:18.07 | pb_ | spung: I think "command" is the one with the clover-type symbol. |
| 21:18.18 | paul | pb_: ok, weird weird weird. i have to modprobe uda1380 to get sound to work. (even though its already loaded). |
| 21:18.24 | spung | pb_: what's a clover? |
| 21:19.01 | spung | pb_: you mean the Apple key? |
| 21:19.06 | pb_ | spung: oh, it's a type of plant with a characteristic leaf arrangement. |
| 21:19.09 | pb_ | spung: yeah, the Apple key. |
| 21:19.11 | florian | pb_: i think it's a good idea to create (and test) a fresh package with the lastest changes before familiar 0.7 |
| 21:19.19 | spung | pb_: what about the option key? |
| 21:19.24 | pb_ | spung: dunno |
| 21:19.33 | pb_ | florian: okay. did you check some changes in very recently? |
| 21:19.47 | pb_ | florian: 0.18 is only a few days old. the only issue I know of is the postinst/update_mime_db thing. |
| 21:19.52 | spung | pb_: these instructions tell me to press command + option + 0 + F at boot time.. i'm not sure which to press.. |
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| 21:20.25 | paul | florian: ah doh. i was looking at permissions on gpe-conf/d/. gpe-conf has correct perms. |
| 21:21.14 | pb_ | spung: ah, right. um, try left alt maybe (next to command I think) |
| 21:21.45 | florian | pb_: oh yeah - right... maybe i'm already asleep ;-) |
| 21:21.52 | florian | paul: ahh :-) |
| 21:22.11 | pb_ | paul: that's indeed very weird. |
| 21:22.18 | paul | pb_: i'm flumoxed. |
| 21:22.35 | paul | pb_: i saved output of lsmod before and after doing modprobe uda1380 - no difference afaict. |
| 21:22.46 | paul | (but knowing me, let me try it again) |
| 21:24.09 | spung | pb_: oh crap, not working |
| 21:24.50 | pb_ | spung: let me try on my ibook |
| 21:25.22 | paul | pb_: ok, i'm wrong somehow. removing everything relevant and doing modprobe h3900-uda1380 works. |
| 21:25.50 | pb_ | spung: yeah, for me it's alt, command, O, F |
| 21:25.52 | paul | pb_: /etc/modules - are they insmod'ed or modprobe'd? |
| 21:25.57 | pb_ | paul: modprobe afaik |
| 21:26.02 | spung | ohh |
| 21:26.17 | spung | pb_: letter O, not number 0 , doh |
| 21:26.26 | pb_ | spung: yeah, as in Open Firmware |
| 21:27.17 | pb_ | spung: (0 and O are indistinguishable in the font I'm using; sorry if you wrote 0 and I didn't spot that) |
| 21:27.50 | spung | yeah |
| 21:27.59 | spung | pb_: in the font i'm using on the ipaq |
| 21:28.01 | spung | verdana i think |
| 21:28.14 | pb_ | mm, not sure what font it is that I have here. |
| 21:28.20 | spung | the zero is wider than the letter O |
| 21:28.23 | spung | doh |
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| 21:33.19 | PaxAnima | hi |
| 21:37.39 | paul | hi |
| 21:40.57 | PaxAnima | hmm... poor dc used psCalc for his math works... |
| 21:41.24 | pb_ | heh, yes. seems he was impressed by the colours! |
| 21:42.46 | PaxAnima | I guess the colours are even more fun if you're on drugs... |
| 21:42.49 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 21:43.15 | spung | have any proof to back that up? |
| 21:43.40 | PaxAnima | nope |
| 21:43.52 | mallum | hmm, does anyone have a 'Super' key on the keyboard ? |
| 21:44.47 | pb_ | I guess only jg is likely to have one. |
| 21:47.14 | spung | do bluetooth mice exist? |
| 21:47.20 | pb_ | yes, I have one. |
| 21:47.31 | spung | expensive? |
| 21:47.50 | pb_ | fairly. about 100 euros I think, though that does include a usb bluetooth dongle. |
| 21:48.35 | pb_ | however! it is (a) made by Microsoft, (b) not well supported by Linux, and (c) allegedly coded so it will not work with non-microsoft bluetooth hosts. |
| 21:48.50 | spung | lol |
| 21:49.04 | pb_ | oh, and (d) it's massive, more of a rat than a mouse. |
| 21:49.38 | spung | does it need batteries? |
| 21:49.43 | pb_ | yeah, it takes two AA cells. |
| 21:50.21 | mallum | pb_: is it your windows key ? |
| 21:50.33 | pb_ | mallum: pardon? |
| 21:50.56 | pb_ | mallum: oh, the "yes, I have one" was in response to spung's enquiry about mice, not yours about super keys. |
| 21:51.29 | mallum | pb_: you know all these stupid X keys come from some ancient lisp machine owned by stallman and other MIT hackers |
| 21:51.38 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 21:51.42 | mallum | pb_: oh oops ;-) |
| 21:51.46 | cmarqu | Symbolics. |
| 21:52.06 | cmarqu | I saw one in action last Xmas. |
| 21:52.27 | pb_ | hell, now my mouse has died! |
| 21:52.36 | mallum | Isn't it about time they were changed to 'Apple key' and 'Windows key' |
| 21:52.37 | pb_ | obviously I shouldn't have mentioned the microsoft one. |
| 21:52.38 | mallum | MUHAHAHAH |
| 21:53.04 | mallum | pb_: I wasn't laughing evilly at your mouse btw |
| 21:53.47 | pb_ | phew. |
| 21:54.01 | cmarqu | You can buy foot keyboard pedals, and some emacs guys supposedly use them. I guess Super and Hyper come in handy then. |
| 21:54.09 | pb_ | oh, crumbs, it turns out I _do_ have a super key. |
| 21:54.16 | pb_ | my left windows key is mapped to Super_L. |
| 21:55.04 | pb_ | at least, that's what xev says. I always thought that key was bound to meta, but maybe they are the same thing. |
| 21:55.21 | mallum | pb_: apparently nowadays alt = meta or summin |
| 21:55.29 | mallum | pb_: super usually = windows key |
| 21:55.46 | pb_ | ah, hm. |
| 21:56.14 | pb_ | yeah, I guess that makes sense. |
| 21:58.16 | PaxAnima | hmm.. my right win key is "Multi_key" |
| 21:58.37 | pb_ | yes, mine too. That's the compose key. |
| 21:59.00 | PaxAnima | and the menu key is "Menu" |
| 21:59.47 | pb_ | yup. and, if you have a third key on that side of the spacebar (AltGr on british keyboards) it is probably Mode_switch. |
| 22:00.12 | PaxAnima | correct |
| 22:01.45 | pb_ | not that I have ever seen a use for Menu, though. |
| 22:01.54 | florian | pb_: i think i have to upgrade my X tomorrow... |
| 22:01.58 | florian | pb_: http://handhelds.org/~florian/gpe-contacts-fx.diff.gz |
| 22:02.07 | pb_ | florian: cool, thanks |
| 22:02.11 | pb_ | florian: I'll try it immediately. |
| 22:02.33 | florian | pb_: ok - o go to sleep - immediately :-) |
| 22:02.39 | pb_ | florian: heh :-) |
| 22:02.47 | cmarqu | Good idea. Night. |
| 22:03.04 | PaxAnima | nigh, florian and cmarqu |
| 22:03.07 | florian | night all - cu tomorrow :-) |
| 22:03.34 | PaxAnima | a new bugfixed psCalc2 is just uploaded... had some bugs in RPN mode, so I don't hope dc used that for his math works... |
| 22:03.48 | pb_ | ah, I see there is some kind of advanced query going on in db_get_entries_alpha now. |
| 22:05.12 | florian | yeah... and i have no idea if this part really works.... |
| 22:10.10 | spung | how much swap should I create with 512mb of RAM? |
| 22:10.32 | mallum | pb_: whats you menu key mapped as ? Hyper ? |
| 22:11.22 | spung | 800M ? |
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| 22:53.01 | PaxAnima | spung: maybe a bit too much? |
| 22:53.32 | spung | PaxAnima: cool, i guess it's ok then :) |
| 22:54.02 | PaxAnima | heh.. |
| 22:54.28 | pb_ | spung: yeah, 800M should be plenty. |
| 22:54.40 | PaxAnima | I have 512mb of swap on my desktop with 512mb ram... never really touch the swap, but I don't run gnome, which sucks a lot of memory |
| 22:55.21 | spung | pb_: is gnome's debian up to date? |
| 22:55.39 | pb_ | spung: debian's gnome? not sure, I use garnome usually. |
| 22:56.13 | pb_ | spung: I guess gnome in debian is probably ok |
| 22:57.03 | spung | pb_: does garnome have debs ? |
| 22:57.29 | pb_ | spung: no |
| 22:57.47 | pb_ | spung: garnome is a build-from-source affair. it installs into ~/garnome as standard. |
| 22:58.12 | spung | ah, sounds cool |
| 22:58.36 | spung | i'll try that, i need really awesome gnome as i was quite impressed by Mac OS X :) |
| 22:59.01 | pb_ | heh, yes. well, garnome is your best bet for awesome gnome. I think it is on gnome 2.3 now. |
| 22:59.43 | pb_ | http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ |
| 22:59.59 | spung | pb_: the mac os x effects (dock icon zoom and the genie effect on minimizing) are quite cool to impress friends :) |
| 23:00.14 | pb_ | spung: yes indeed. |
| 23:00.18 | spung | not useful for much more tho |
| 23:05.09 | moray | spung: have you filed bugs against GNOME that it doesn't do those effects yet? ;) |
| 23:07.29 | spung | moray: heh |
| 23:07.46 | moray | spung: well, you could certainly file them against metacity |
| 23:07.55 | moray | spung: which already has a couple of simple effects... |
| 23:09.02 | spung | oh, today I discovered my univ has wireless |
| 23:09.04 | spung | all set up |
| 23:09.17 | spung | but they are not allowed to use it for burocratic reasons |
| 23:09.21 | spung | how stupid |
| 23:25.31 | spung | pb_: do the latest gpe images have usb networking ok? i'll probably try them out tomorrow |
| 23:25.47 | pb_ | yeah, should be ok in rc1 on all except h3900. |
| 23:25.56 | jg | pb_: No, I never had a super key... |
| 23:26.10 | pb_ | jg: aww. |
| 23:36.24 | pb_ | spung: fyi, I put a list of some 0.7-rc1 errata at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/ImminentZeroPointSevenRelease |
| 23:37.33 | pb_ | <cmarqu> You can buy foot keyboard pedals, and some emacs guys supposedly use them. I guess Super and Hyper come in handy then. |
| 23:40.10 | spung | lol |
| 23:40.17 | spung | i missed that one |
| 23:40.29 | spung | foot pedals for emacs' shortcuts |
| 23:40.32 | spung | now that's leet |
| 23:44.56 | jg | moray: control, shift, meta, super, hyper, cokebottle.... |
| 23:45.09 | moray | jg: aha, that kind of key |
| 23:45.25 | jg | moray: the Knight TV's had keyboards with every possible position with a key, and had more modifier keys than any keyboard, before, or since. |
| 23:45.33 | jg | including the infamous coke-bottle key. |
| 23:45.51 | moray | jg: well, it's hardly more ridiculous than having Microsoft keys? |
| 23:46.18 | jg | moray: hardly. and before Microsoft existed... |
| 23:46.55 | moray | jg: you'll make us all pine for a happier world ;) |
| 23:47.47 | jg | moray: Microsoft has the dominant position that IBM did in the '70's. This too, shall pass... |
| 23:51.39 | paul | night |
| 23:51.45 | moray | jg: indeed; although Microsoft appears to be paranoid enough about that happening that it might take longer this time round - on the other hand, paranoia may not be enough to help them spot what's going to become the market-changing thing that you weren't expecting. |
| 23:51.58 | moray | s/you/they/ |