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00:24.29spung~botamail for florian hey, you should submit gpe-conf to the Translation Project :)
00:24.40spung~botmail for florian hey, you should submit gpe-conf to the Translation Project :)
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02:10.29dc__paul: just in time!
02:10.36dc__wooooooooooooow.
02:10.38paulhi dc!
02:10.42paulwhat?
02:10.52dc__mm..
02:11.02pauloh dear
02:11.04paul:)
02:11.06paulhow strong?
02:11.10dc__paul: you didn't say that did you...
02:11.12dc__wait.
02:11.14dc__no I said it.
02:11.15dc__oops.
02:11.17paulLOL
02:11.20dc__hope pb or malllum doesn
02:11.24dc__<PROTECTED>
02:11.30paulwhy?
02:11.31dc__right.
02:11.38dc__bye...I'll see you later!
02:11.41dc__weeeeeeeeeeeee.
02:12.09paulsee ya dc :)
02:52.00flypiperhh11 kernel on 3800 doesn't suspend.... yyyyyeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhh :/
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03:01.35paulheya dc
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03:05.58dc___mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
03:06.07paulso how's the head?
03:06.15paulof?
03:06.24dc___guesss
03:06.32dc___ssssssssssssss
03:07.04paulbeer? whiskey? baileys? gin and tonic? rum? hooch?
03:07.10paulthe list can go on :)
03:07.21dc___smirnoff ice
03:08.00dc___mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
03:08.12paulaha.
03:08.23dc___I really shoouldn't be on irc like this...
03:08.29paulprobably not :)
03:08.38dc___what are yu doing up at 4am paul?
03:08.49paulwork.
03:08.51pauli'm on call.
03:08.54pauland i got called.
03:08.55dc___yeah right!!!!
03:08.59paulyep
03:09.05dc___to where???
03:09.16pauloh, i can do it from home.
03:09.27paulwe send certain files to a certain partner.
03:09.43dc___what type of files?
03:09.43paulif they dont get the file, or there is something wrong in the file, they phone us.
03:09.53paultransactions.
03:10.11dc___mmmmmmm.
03:10.18dc___what type of transactuions!
03:10.43paulcredit card
03:10.50dc___wtf?
03:10.56dc___whpy..
03:11.16dc___I have a 17 year ol girl in my room.
03:11.27dc___oh dear, did I sau that our aloud
03:11.35dc___oh dear...yes....she's my sister...
03:11.38paulalphyra (who i work for) does transaction processing (credit cards, mobile top-ups, etc..)
03:11.41dc___omg...she has alcohol.
03:11.45paulah... your sister!
03:11.51dc___omfg....she has been making me drink it.
03:11.57paulfor a minute there... :)
03:11.59dc___omfg...she had tits!
03:12.05dc___she says.
03:12.09pauldc__: some kind of party on at your house?
03:12.12dc___bit it's really a lie!
03:12.18pauldc__: yeah, 17 year old girls often do.
03:12.18dc___paul: nooooooooo
03:12.32pauldc__: how come i didnt get an invite? :)
03:12.34dc___paul: just  me and my girls.
03:12.44pauloh, /your/ girls? :)
03:12.44dc___paul: your in irland.
03:12.51pauldc__: a good point.
03:12.55dc___hi i am jess
03:13.03dc___im his sister
03:13.05pauldc__: but ryanair flights are cheap :)
03:13.14paulhi jess
03:13.25paulbeen corrupting your brother? :)
03:13.28dc___thats goog 17 girls have great sex dive
03:13.37dc___driove
03:13.38paulthat must be dc :)
03:13.44dc___nooo
03:13.47dc___it was her
03:14.09dc___me 34 dd
03:14.11pauldamn.. i should be logging this shouldnt i? :)
03:14.13dc___sh elies
03:14.25dc___paul: I shoulnd't !
03:14.26dc___!!
03:14.34dc___dies
03:14.40pauli'm not, dont worry :)
03:14.41dc___thasnk god pb_ isn't here
03:14.49pauli think he'd laughing..
03:14.52dc___omfg y
03:15.00dc___you're loggin it!!!!
03:15.06paulso how many of these smirnoff ice have you had dc?
03:15.07dc___me murders ibot!!!
03:15.10dc___ibot die!
03:15.11ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
03:15.23dc___paul: 4 or something...
03:15.23pauldc__: i'm not logging, but i'm tempted to cut and paste into a file alright :)
03:15.31dc___no oooooooooooooo
03:15.35dc___don't you...
03:15.41dc___pooor pb and mallum
03:15.50pauldc__: so.. let me guess, your sister is having a party with her mates round, and she's given you a few to keep you quiet?
03:16.00paula few smirnoff ice that is.
03:16.07dc___she is horney
03:16.09dc___well
03:16.11dc___that was her
03:16.21dc___she's not my _real_ sister.
03:16.22paulshe's your sister!
03:16.25paulah
03:16.29dc___she's just a goooood firend.
03:16.34paulok... :)
03:16.34dc___she lives with is.
03:16.35dc___us
03:16.41paulah..
03:16.42dc___indeeed.
03:16.44dc___mmmmm.
03:16.46dc___hehhh.
03:16.52paulhow did that come about, or am i being too nosey?
03:17.08dc___wha???
03:17.10dc___where...
03:17.26paulnever mind, that is a nosey question.
03:17.41dc___my god, don't let pb knioe!
03:17.43dc___hhah
03:17.47paulknow what?
03:18.01paulyou've got a 17 year old living with you that you have the hots for?
03:18.02dc___that I'm sooo co0ooool
03:18.02paul:)
03:18.06paulLOL
03:18.15pauldc... i really /do/ have to logs this. :)
03:18.20dc___im not fucking him hes to younge
03:18.29dc___she saud that"
03:18.33paulah, you're still there? :)
03:18.34dc___my godd.
03:18.42dc___yesnyjhnmyku
03:18.43dc___k
03:18.44dc___mjn
03:18.44dc___mj
03:18.44dc___n]
03:18.44dc___hm
03:18.46paulLOL
03:18.51dc___fuck offe5 6o0tt7=-]t=]
03:19.00dc___my god she's rude!!!
03:19.19pauldefinitely.. couldnt you give her her own computer? you must have a couple to spare :)
03:19.20dc___im am a dirty girl
03:19.30paulerrr...
03:19.33dc___i do
03:19.35pauli hope that was jess typing.
03:19.42dc___she doesn't have irc on OS X
03:19.46paulah.
03:20.05dc___07811791105
03:20.09dc___don't you....
03:20.09pauljess is drunk too i guess?
03:20.19dc___=yessssss
03:20.22dc___a bit !
03:20.38paulhang on, have to phone the bank.
03:22.33pauldc___: you /are/ going to be reminded about this btw :)
03:29.59jessicai have to go to bed this isjes
03:30.03jessicafuch i am a bit druk
03:30.05jessicathis is jess
03:30.09jessicahow old are are you
03:30.11jessicatalk to me
03:31.58jessicaare you irsh
03:31.58jessicateehee
03:31.58jessicaim so bad
03:31.58jessicayou have no idea
03:32.21jessicai good night from jess
03:32.34pauli'm sort of irish yes.
03:32.41pauland i'm far too old :(
03:32.57pauland what are you doing to that poor dc lad :)
03:36.15jessicaomg.
03:36.20jessicanow she just leaves me
03:36.22jessicamy god..
03:36.26jessicammm
03:36.53paulterrible.
03:38.40paulyeah hey... i can go to bed.
03:44.16nelsonjessica: um ... silly question: planning on accomplishing much tomorrow?  Or are you going to sleep it all off?
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03:52.23paulah that reminds me
03:52.34dc_offf?
03:52.42paul:)
03:52.50dc_weeeeeeeee
03:53.00dc_my buffalo works with my c700
03:53.34paul[paul@fogarty tmp]$ grep drunk ~/dc-drunk.txt
03:53.34paul<paul> jess is drunk too i guess?
03:53.39paulhehe
03:53.57pauldc_: neat
03:54.22dc_sssssssssssh
03:54.30dc_I'm dropping my stylus now
03:54.35paul:)
03:58.56dc_righgt
03:59.13dc_I need to put nyself to bed before I huirt my c700
03:59.22dc_yay
03:59.33dc_I get a T68i and camera attachment soon
03:59.41dc_I won an ebay big.
03:59.43dc_bid.
03:59.46dc_night paul
03:59.48dc_dude...
03:59.51paulnight dc!
03:59.58paulyou won on ebay?
04:00.28dc_paul: a T68i and camera cattachment
04:00.28dc_ya
04:00.29dc_!
04:00.30dc_today
04:00.31paulnice!
04:00.33dc_night
04:00.34dc_ye
04:00.36dc_v.nice
04:00.42paulsleep well, hope the head is ok in the morning :)
04:00.50dc_s do i.
04:00.54dc_geegegghhh
04:00.55dc_hehh
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05:52.35nelsonhmmm....  if I stay up much longer, pb_ will be signing on.
05:53.09nelsonAnyway, I've updated a whole bunch of gpe stuff, and dillo2 in 0.7, so ipkg upgrade might be worthwhile.
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08:25.52mallumhey
08:26.21cmarqu_werkMorning.
08:27.07PaxAnimamorning
08:36.23mallumI uploaded a fixed xkbd into unstable
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08:41.36florianibot: botmail read
08:42.06florianibot: botmail read
08:42.26florianmorning all
08:43.37mallumhey florian
08:47.36florianspung: right you are... i think i should try to do this today
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09:43.27pb_morning
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09:48.51mallumhey pb_, there should be a fixed xkbd in unstable
09:52.10pb_ah, great.
10:27.22pb_Yes, that seems to be better.
10:28.44mallumI just mistyped --enable-xpm on the last package :(
10:33.57pb_heh
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11:02.27florianshouldn't "make extract-po" create a pot with a version number?
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11:09.27pb_florian: hm, I don't think so.  Why would you want a version number on the .pot?
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11:10.04dc__oh dear.
11:10.13dc__thank god paul's not here
11:10.18pb_dc__: morning.
11:10.29pb_dc__: hah, why's that?
11:11.28dc__you....don't want to know.
11:11.39dc__who manages the log?
11:11.42dc__irc logs
11:11.51pb_the ibot logs?  tim riker.
11:11.55florianpb_: i read in the documentation about the linux translation project... the way i understand what they write says me that the'd like a version number in the pot name
11:11.59dc__right..
11:12.03dc__pb_: what's his nick?
11:12.08pb_dc__: TimRiker, or BZFlag
11:12.13dc__of course.
11:12.22dc__we need to delete the logs from early thismorning.
11:12.33pb_!
11:12.59florian?!
11:13.37pb_florian: I don't think they want the actual .pot file in the distribution to have a version number in.  At least, none of the GPE packages do that at the moment, and the translation project seem happy enough.
11:13.50dc__aaa..n..y..how
11:13.52pb_florian: They name the .pot file as DOMAIN-VERSION.pot internally, but that is a different matter.
11:14.14dc__do we hvae a card manager applet yet?
11:14.25pb_dc__: yes, in gpe-conf.
11:15.10florianpb_: ah ok -  then this is a problem with my lack of knowledge about gettext :-/
11:15.50pb_florian: It's all a bit confusing, I agree.
11:16.15dc__-
11:16.24dc__*-+
11:16.27dc__*
11:16.53PaxAnima?
11:17.06pb_florian: however, the makefiles that we have at the moment seem to be working OK at the moment.  If the translation guys actually ask to have something changed, we can certainly do so.
11:18.05florianpb_: yep, ok - then i'll transmit them a link to current gpe-conf package :-)
11:18.13pb_florian: cool!
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11:25.24pb_thinking of translations, here's a funny thing.  If I select French or German as my locale, the only program that shows up translated in mbdesktop is Sketchbook.  Everything else still has the English name for some reason.
11:26.14pb_Nothing in mbmenu seems to be translated either, but I'm not sure if that's meant to be supported or not.
11:28.32florianthis makes me think about some work on gpe-conf*.desktop... and my living room floor ;-)
11:30.33pb_heh.
11:30.48pb_florian: does the same thing happen to you, or are you seeing the translations appear correctly?
11:35.34cmarqu_werkSeems that spung has luck with translated apps. I never had the flash space for the extra files.
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11:36.44cmarqu_werkflorian: emacs' po-mode makes working with the TP robot really easy. I'd guess the other translation apps like kbabel do as well.
11:37.24cmarqu_werkYou just say "M", and it mails the file out after asking you a few questions.
11:39.34pb_cmarqu_werk: Hm, maybe it's just some oddity of my machine then.  I should try on my other ipaq, since I just flashed a clean 0.7-rc1 onto that one yesterday.
11:42.06cmarqu_werkOh, sorry.. mbdesktop. I misread.
11:44.12pb_cmarqu_werk: Oh right.  Yeah, the translated messages in the apps themselves work fine for me as well, it's just their names in the launcher that are coming up in English all the time.
11:50.35spungpb_: works for me
11:51.02spungpb_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18439.png
11:51.47spungpb_: yet i remember your gpe-today packages were giving me "Sum" instead of (do you have iso-8859-1 on irc?) "Sumário"
11:52.10pb_spung: hrm, right.
11:52.18pb_spung: maybe I need to inspect my installed .desktop files.
11:52.26pb_are you using the latest versions of everything from unstable there?
11:52.28PaxAnimahmm.. maybe change the pscalc .desktop file and rename it to "Advanced calculator" next time I fix on it
11:53.04spungpb_: probably not
11:53.08spungpb_: most likely not
11:53.20pb_spung: would you upgrade and try again, just to be sure?
11:53.26spungright
11:54.28spungpb_: i upgraded gpe-calendar to 0.42 still "calend"
11:54.44pb_hm, right.
11:55.49spungpb_: upon inspecting the .desktop it doesn't seem to be unicode
11:56.24pb_yeah, indeed.
11:56.31spungpb_: old makefile?
11:56.37pb_it was regenerated yesterday when I built the package, but apparently with the wrong charset for some reason.
11:57.19pb_yeah, could be an old makefile.  I updated my build directory sometime yesterday, but that might have been after I built the calendar.  Let me try again.
11:57.51pb_okay, yeah, looks good now.
11:57.54pb_I'll build a new package.
11:59.02dc___right!
11:59.40pb_hurrah!
11:59.56mallumdc___: hey
12:00.00dc___hrmm...on another note.
12:00.03dc___mallum: hey!
12:00.11mallumdc___: any joy with your c700 ?
12:00.12dc___mallum: I install kergoth's new image yetsterday
12:00.23spungok, no more bugs open.. i need more bugs people!!
12:00.34dc___mallum: and wifi works :D
12:00.34dc___mallum: so we're in business
12:00.44dc___mallum: plus I have a snapshot of the bk repositry.
12:00.58dc___mallum: what's the current staus with X and gtk2?
12:01.03spungmallum: could you have matchbox set MATCHBOX/Background when it's using a theme background?
12:01.33mallumdc___: cool
12:01.58mallumdc___: I havn't done anymore since I last spoke to you
12:02.03pb_spung: uploaded gpe-calendar2_0.42-1.  hopefully that will be better.
12:02.05mallumdc___: someone needs to make gtk2 packages
12:02.05dc___oh, okay :}
12:02.24dc___wy wouldn't the standard ones work?
12:02.26mallumdc___: my latest xpkgs are at hh.org/~mallum/xpkgs/
12:03.20mallumdc___: different touchscreen
12:03.32dc___mallum: oh cool, and they work on the c799?
12:03.35dc___mallum: ahh right.
12:03.51dc___mmmm...
12:03.58dc___but doesn't X handle that?
12:04.07spungpb_: i wish i could build packages that fast :D i have to slowly get to the ipaq cluster, cvs update, build, scp the packages, sign them the upload.. ahrg :D
12:04.24mallumdc___: try them and see ...
12:04.41dc___spung: but pb_ is the master, so they just build themselves.
12:05.11pb_dc___: if you have a recent glibc 2.3 in your c700 image, I think the gtk2 packages from familiar should be OK.
12:05.22spungdc___: lol
12:05.43mallumdc___: yeah pb_ is right, thats what I've been doing
12:06.32pb_spung: that's pretty much the same as I do, except I use a local machine rather than the cluster.
12:06.47spungpb_: i guess you type faster :D
12:06.59spungi only use one finger
12:07.08dc___heh
12:07.13mallumbiab
12:07.18spungi lost the others in the portuguese african war of 1969
12:07.49pb_spung: ah, that must be it.
12:08.42florianpb_: this i'd need to check - are there language packages installed in pre10?
12:08.48pb_spung: I wasn't fighting in that war, so I guess I have the advantage.
12:09.31pb_florian: Not out of the box, no.  You need to ipkg install locale-base-de+de or whatever.
12:09.36spungpb_: i like to think that's the reason of your advantage yes :)
12:10.05floriancmarqu_werk: At the moment i use anjuta, but i think i should checkt what this supports...
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12:11.12florian:-)
12:13.20spungi could /exec -o figlet emacs but that would be unappropriate
12:44.52spungflorian: i fixed your bug, i need new ones
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13:00.41pb_spung: did you determine whether the .desktop translations were operating correctly with the latest unstable packages?
13:04.38nelsonpb_: "Incidentally, v0.7-rc1 is out now, so that would be an even better"   Thanks for that reply!
13:12.08spungpb_: working yes :)
13:12.48pb_spung: darn!  I wonder what my problem is then.
13:12.57pb_Well, I could try pt, in case it's some locale-specific thing.
13:15.57spungpb_: not wokring for you?
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13:31.00mccarthymorning all
13:38.17cmarqu_werkHi mccarthy
13:38.26cmarqu_werkibot: CVS?
13:38.27[cvs] Concurrent Versions System and is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ and at http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/03/cvs_intro.html and http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/17/cvsadmin.html and http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/
13:44.21mallumspung: why do you need mbdesktop to set BACKGROUND ?
13:44.40spungmallum: gpe-today gets it
13:45.34spungmallum: when GPE/Today/Background is set to "<mbdesktop>" it uses whatever is in MATCHBOX/Background
13:45.42mallumspung: cant it just read the root pixmap ?
13:46.37spungmallum: well, i could try that too.. but it was so buggy.. i might try it again
13:47.52spungmallum: i think it had something to do with gtk trying to free the Pixmap, i'm not sure
13:48.55mallumspung: btw Im pretty close to being able to hack gpe-today into a loadable 'plugin' for mbdesktop ...
13:49.18spungmallum: cool :)
13:49.49spungmallum: i wonder if setting the bg_pixmap to "<parent>" would work in that situation?
13:50.14mallumspung: I just have to figure out how to integrate the gtk event loop
13:50.32mallumspung: I dont know, transparency in X is a hack, play with fire , get burned ;-)
13:50.40spungmallum: :D
13:51.44spungmallum: well, i guess i'll have to work a bit more on the background thing, ahrg :D
13:52.28spungmallum: like, 90% of my work on gpe-today has been around that
13:54.24spungmallum: i suggest a mbcontrol -showtoday :)
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14:01.59spungweeeeeee
14:02.04spungWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
14:02.22spungapple portugal just phoned me, i should have my powerbook in 1 or 2 days
14:02.23spung:D
14:02.25spung:)))))))))))))))))
14:28.52florianspung: let me fix my bugs first :-)))
14:30.43florianhmmm... a powerbook - this is a good idea...
14:37.26pb_spung: wasn't working for me earlier with de or fr locales.
14:38.22florianbbl
15:00.39pb_spung: still not working for me even with pt_PT.  You have matchbox 0.5rc3-3, right?
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15:42.37dc__right
15:42.42dc__gpe-filemanager is going good now
15:42.54dc__now I have my connection back up :}
15:43.27mallumdc__: cool
15:43.42mallumdc__: what exactly are you running on your c700 btw ?
15:44.03dc__opie....*cough* right now
15:44.27mallumoh dear ....
15:45.52mallumdc__: just ipkg remove any opie packages and install the x packages from my feed
15:45.56pb_dc__: ah, cool.
15:46.15mallumdc__: then download whatever gtk2 stuff you want from familiar unstable
15:46.32mallumdc__: I would have thought kergoth would have built you a 2.3.1 glibc based image
15:47.29pb_even if not, the glibc from familiar should install without trouble.
15:51.29cmarquDownloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/xkbd_0.8.12-3_arm.ipk
15:51.33cmarquupdate_mime_db: No such file or directory
15:51.36cmarquHa!
15:58.42pb_doh, that's gpe-edit again.
15:59.33cmarqugpe-edit2_0.18?
15:59.51cmarquThat's the one in unstable.
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16:13.54cmarqudc__: Hi jessi^Wdc!
16:13.59dc__oh dear.
16:14.08dc__it wasn't me!
16:14.11cmarquHehe.
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16:20.25moraycmarqu: aha, thanks, I'd missed all that when it happened, have now read scrollback :)
16:21.00cmarqumoray: (S)he will have to kill us now.
16:21.38dc__moray: what about my account :D
16:21.54pb_cmarqu: Yeah, 0.18.  I thought I'd fixed the postinst, but obviously it slipped by me again.
16:22.12moraydc__: try logging in again now? dc@curlew.external.sermisy.org
16:22.34cmarqupb_: Okay. Well, it's no big deal...
16:22.35moraydctanner even
16:23.47dc__hehe
16:23.50dc__hehhh
16:23.53dc__password doesn't work.
16:24.01dc__probly my lack of ssh l33tness
16:24.02pb_cmarqu: I guess I'll do another package later.  kencausey also reported quite a bad crashing bug in gpe-edit, though I haven't been able to reproduce it yet.
16:24.14moraydc__: odd, it's not even saying anything about an attempt in auth.log
16:25.06moraydc__: the password is unlikely to work, since I haven't set one you know?
16:25.06cmarqudc__: ssh -v?
16:25.12dc__hah
16:25.22cmarquOr ssh -vvvv
16:25.29moraydc__: it should be saying that the password attempt has failed, and it *should* be using your ssh key
16:25.34paul_hi dc!
16:25.44dc__oh no!!
16:26.37paul_but dc, what's wrong?
16:27.23paul_tough
16:27.32cmarqucolin@coredump:~$ grep jess gpe-fun.txt | wc -l
16:27.32cmarqu<PROTECTED>
16:27.55paul_it's going to be kept, and brought out again one day when you least expect it :)
16:28.03paul_cmarqu: you logged it too? :)
16:28.05dc_deadgod help noo...
16:28.11cmarquLike, at GUADEC?
16:28.15paul_LOL!
16:28.19cmarqupaul_: Yep :)
16:28.34dc_deadgod...saveme..
16:28.45paul_dc_dead: is the hangover that bad?
16:29.02moraypaul_: perhaps we need a new gpe-irc screenshot? :)
16:29.09paul_moray: :)
16:29.26dc_deadmoray: no!
16:29.26paul_moray: a most evil idea, congratulations on thinking of it :)
16:29.44dc_deadas the proud creator of gpe-irc I say NO!
16:30.02moraydc_dead: ah, you'll soon lose any remaining pride, it's ok :p
16:30.40dc_deadmy god...I can't even remember what she said..
16:30.48dc_deadthat wasn't a call!
16:32.58paul_"she had tits"
16:33.48cmarqu"she says"!
16:34.43dc_deadas always, being honest is best.
16:35.21paul_:)
16:35.41paul_dc_dead: you could have been much worse, so consider yourself lucky :)
16:36.04dc_deadI will
16:36.08dc_deadit wasn't too bad.
16:37.02dc_deadalthough we did end up walking a mile to the petrol station so she could get some cigarettes.
16:37.07dc_deadthen it was close.
16:37.10dc_deaded
16:37.19dc_deadgood excersice though
16:37.53dc_deadcmarqu: ahh..that was supposed to be hers.
16:37.58moraybut wasn't?
16:38.00dc_deadbut I thnk she input it wrong.
16:38.07dc_deador she hopes.
16:38.28morayreading more of scrollback makes it *less* clear to me what was going on, anyway
16:39.09cmarquIndeed.
16:42.32mallum[ot] hmm, anyone running the .21-rc1 ?
16:42.57moraydc_dead: I put an example .ctrlproxyrc (edited to be mostly appropriate) in your home directory; you should be able to run "ctrlproxy -D" then connect to port 6668 or so on curlew, telling your client to give the 'irc server' the password in that file
16:44.18dc_deadah okay
16:47.10dc_deadmoray: thanks, I'l try it out late.r
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16:54.44cmarquhttp://handhelds.org/scap/port.25354.png -- if the dialog was using all the room, the text would even fit.
16:55.54pb_cmarqu: Yeah.  I think matchbox limits the amount of width that a transient can use.  I rewrapped the text manually in the new session-scripts (should be in unstable now) to improve matters.
16:56.25pb_cmarqu: I should also back out that change to gtklabel that I keep saying I will back out and never actually do.
16:56.38cmarqu:)
16:59.37pb_I had hoped this was going to be fixed in GTK 2.4, but it now looks like it will be pushed back to GTK 2.6.
17:00.25cmarquAh :/
17:01.11pb_right, time to go home.  later.
17:01.26cmarquHmm, the logout dialog isn't centered either.
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17:16.49Wolfspiriis matchbox the same thing as gpe or what?
17:18.56mccarthyWolfspiri: nope
17:19.10mccarthyibot matchbox
17:19.14it has been said that matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/
17:19.22mccarthyibot gpe
17:19.22gpe is, like, the Great Palmtop Environment and can be found at http://gpe.handhelds.org - Join #gpe to chat about it.
17:19.38mccarthyWolfspiri: gpe \approx gnome
17:19.52mccarthyWolfspiri: matchbox \approx enlightenment
17:19.59Wolfspiriso is matchbox another desktop manager?
17:20.07mccarthy(sorry mallum ;)
17:21.50Wolfspirihas anoyone here ever heard of a date and time problem in gpe?  whenever I hit date / time setup it just flashes and goes away
17:23.14mallummccarthy: arg how can you compare matchbox to enlightenment :\
17:23.53mccarthyI couldnt remember the name of the one that gnome currently uses and figured it didnt really matter since matchbox is better than both :)
17:24.08mallummccarthy: hehe, only pulling your leg
17:24.26mccarthy(me too ;p )
17:24.42moraymallum: yeah, you'd never think of starting with a small fast window manager, then adding more features, writing a dock, an application manager, etc. etc. ;)
17:25.33mccarthyWolfspiri: no one can help you if you are that vague (what version are you running, etc.)
17:25.35Wolfspiriis there any docs out there that help you with gpe's environment?
17:25.58mccarthydocumentation, we dont need no stinking documentation!
17:26.06mccarthyWolfspiri: the web site is about all there is yet
17:26.16Wolfspirimccarthy: bootgpe2-v0.7-pre10-h3600.jffs2
17:26.20mccarthyeventually, when things settle a bit, I am sure there will be
17:26.35mccarthyWolfspiri: does your ipaq have net access?
17:26.40mallummoray: yeah except matchbox follows standards, whilst afaik eligntenment dont
17:26.56Wolfspirimccarthy: I can connect to it from my pc.. yes
17:27.09moraymallum: yes indeed :)
17:27.23mccarthyWolfspiri: add the unstable feed to your /etc/ipkg.conf and do an ipkg update;ipkg upgrade and it should work fine
17:27.31mccarthyibot unstable feed
17:27.31[unstable feed] at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/, or at http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/
17:27.47mccarthyhmm, I am not sure thats right ibot
17:28.31mccarthyok. nevermind that first one will work
17:28.43Wolfspiriis there a better terminal program for gpe
17:28.43Wolfspiri?
17:29.26morayWolfspiri: better in what respect?
17:29.40Wolfspirilike konsole
17:29.51morayWolfspiri: that's not answering the question
17:29.55Wolfspiriwhere I can add scroll bars and schemes, etc
17:30.12Wolfspiribetter as in more advanced options
17:36.33morayrxvt does have a scrollbar; I'm not sure what you're including under schemes. The only useful thing I can think of it's lacking is tabs, but I'm not sure that losing more screenspace to them would be worthwhile on a handheld.
17:37.30WolfspiriI haven't seen a horitzontal scroll bar
17:37.50cmarquISTR konsole having a menu of commonly used commands like ls. Not sure if I'd use it.
17:38.16Wolfspiriand by schemes, I mean.. like green on black
17:38.34Wolfspirigpe isn't very complete, is it?
17:38.51morayWolfspiri: has anyone ever claimed that GPE is complete?
17:39.24Wolfspirimoray: you like to have a snappy attitude don't you?
17:41.00Wolfspirimoray: ever question I've asked, you've come back with a smart ass remark.. if you don't like to help others then just don't speak (or in this case, type)
17:41.06mallumWolfspiri: if you dont like stuff, write new stuff - your free to do so
17:41.32morayWolfspiri: to set the terminal colours, use the -bg and -fg options to rxvt, or configure your X resources appropriately (see the rxvt documentation on a desktop system)
17:43.29Wolfspirimallum: gpe sounds like a very good idea, I just don't think it has a very good usability yet for a handheld.. I don't think anyone wants to modofy a billion configuration files and scripts, and get lost in desktop that wasn't set up correctly.. pda's are supposed to be a fast alternative to a pc
17:43.46Wolfspirimodofy should be modify
17:44.40WolfspiriI do like the fact that it was built off of x though
17:45.31morayWolfspiri: Indeed, but I don't think people want to modify lots of configuration options at all; the great majority of users won't want a terminal on their handheld computer at all, and *very* few will want to be able to quickly change the colour scheme it's using.
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17:46.42dc__ddamn, pb_'s gone
17:46.57mallumWolfspiri: sure I agree, but if people dont help out its not gonna get there any faster
17:47.21mallumdc__: got opie off your c700 yet ?
17:47.53dc__nope.
17:48.02dc___just_ got my sattellite back up
17:48.09dc__time to continue garnome
17:48.31mallumdc__: ah cool
17:48.56dc__indeed.
17:49.01dc__I was close to killing someone
17:50.19cmarquArgh. Does rc1 auto-mount CF storage cards for anyone?
17:51.44mallumdc__: how come no guadec ?
17:53.29dc__mallum: I have an exam on the same day :{
17:53.42mallumdc__: doh :(
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17:54.18spungpb___: ahh, yes
17:54.37spungmallum: matchbox has a bug, it's not reading i18n .desktop's properly
17:54.53pb___spung: same matchbox?
17:54.57pb___spung: oh, you do see it now?
17:55.03pb___phew
17:55.54spungpb___: :)
17:56.04spungpb___: i upgraded
17:56.12spungpb___: and now i see that bug
17:56.14pb___spung: ah, I thought you did that already.
17:56.39spungpb___: i did it when i saw your message
17:56.43spungin the away log
17:56.53pb___ok, cool
17:57.03spungmallum: should i file a bug report?
17:57.27mallumspung: havn't we been here before ?
17:57.39spungmallum: no, no.. this time it's a matchbox bug, ask pb
17:57.51spungmallum: a newly introduced bug, even
17:57.54mallumspung: the .desktop file is utf8 right ?
17:57.57spungmallum: yes
17:58.05dc__right
17:58.09dc__I MUST finsih gpe-fm
17:58.10dc__make me
17:58.20spungmallum: it worked with an older matchbox, now i upgraded and no.. pb has same problem
17:58.22mallumspung: okey just stick it on bugzilla and I'll look at it when a get time
17:58.30spungmallum: i doesn't get the [pt] comment or whatever
17:58.39spungmallum: it always grabs the [C] comment
17:58.45jessicadc__: Do it!
17:58.52spungjessica: ?
17:59.00spungwho's jessica? :D
17:59.05cmarquspung: dc__ knows, that's enough.
17:59.16spungdc__: is she pretty?
17:59.34dc__okay, okay..
17:59.39dc__don't dare do any further
17:59.40mallumspung: dump your various LC vars in the bugzilla report too ok ?
18:00.01spungmallum: ok
18:00.25mallumspung: what version of mb did it work with ?
18:00.46mallumspung: does it not work with mbmenu niether ?
18:00.52spungmallum: no
18:01.07spungmallum: i only have LANG='pt_PT'
18:01.34spungmallum: ipkg didn't tell me what version it was upgrading :\
18:01.40spungi don't remember
18:01.46mallumspung: np
18:02.02spungprobably Version: 0.5rc1-1
18:02.08mccarthydc__: how is the gpe-pdf port coming :)
18:02.08mallumspung: do you now what your LC_MASSAGES is set too ?
18:02.18mallumMESSAGES rather
18:02.29spungmallum: heh, not set
18:02.56BBroxHmmmm, I want massages too :-)
18:03.06mallumyeah me too
18:03.13mccarthyhey where did jessica go?!
18:03.35spungmallum: should it be set?
18:03.39dc__she is with dc
18:03.50dc__...that was not me...
18:03.56mccarthyworking on gpe-pdf I hope ;)
18:04.02spungdc__: well then, is she pretty or not?
18:04.03mallumBBrox: oh do you know if age of mythology runs under wine ?
18:04.16dc__mccarthy: after, this gpe-fm, I'll try to start it tonight
18:04.37dc__spung: silence! I need to code
18:04.37mccarthydc__: I dont even know who Im talking to anymore
18:04.48spungdc__: hah, code then!
18:04.56dc__mccarthy: it's just poor old dc, don't worry...
18:05.00BBroxmallum: I have no idea actually... I can try though :-)
18:05.06mallumBBrox: :-)
18:05.22dc_workingmy god I lack
18:06.43mallumspung: I havn't touched the .desktop parsing code in ages, not being an expect at locale based stuff Id suggest something may have changed in gpe
18:07.11spungpb___: ?
18:07.22dc_workinganyyyyway
18:07.31spungdc_working: code
18:07.34pb___spung: can't think of anything relevant that's changed.
18:07.35dc_workingI get my T68 and camera on thursday :D
18:07.50pb___dc_working: let's hope gpe-filemanager is finished by then.
18:10.21mccarthypb___: dont forget gpe-pdf (dc_working!)
18:10.33mccarthyI gotta get me one of them underscores ;)
18:15.16dc_workingheh
18:15.17dc_workingibot: lart dc_working
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18:35.26mallumspung: you there ?
18:48.35mallumpb___: you there ?
18:52.27mccarthymallum: Im here ;)
18:52.58mallumhehe
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19:34.53dc_workingum, how do I printf an enum?
19:34.58pb___it's just an int.
19:35.11dc_workingthere's no super way to make it print the name
19:35.27pb___oh, no.  an enum is just like a #define, it doesn't have any runtime existence.
19:35.34dc_workingdoh
19:35.37dc_workingheh, counting time
19:35.38dc_workingthen
19:35.46pb___if you really need to print the name, you will have to create an array of strings and index into it.
19:35.46mallumdc_working: you'd have to creatue an array with the string names
19:35.55dc_workingright!
19:35.56dc_workingheh
19:36.16pb___but yes, counting would be a low-tech solution.
19:37.22mallumpb___: btw, it appears I did make a change to my dotdesktop parser which could be causing spungs problem :/
19:37.29pb___mallum: aha.
19:37.44pb___btw, in the interests of getting one up on spung, I had the problem before him :-)
19:38.16mallumpb___: ah ok ;-)
19:38.41mallumpb___: Id re-implemented strndup for netbsd and had done it wrongly I think
19:38.55pb___ah.
19:38.55mallumwas just mallocing n, rather than n+1 so no space for \0
19:39.01pb___doh
19:39.18mallumdamn *bsd
19:39.26pb___wouldn't it be better to use the function from libc on systems that provide it, though?
19:39.31pb___less code bloat and all that.
19:39.37dc_workingright! getting there with gpe-fm
19:39.38dc_workingmove works
19:39.43pb___dc_working: rock!
19:39.47dc_workingjust need to add some error callbacks
19:39.50dc_workingfor common things..
19:40.48pb___righto.
19:40.50mallumpb___: yeah its only 2 extra lines ... I could get autoconf to check for it I guess#
19:41.23pb___or better, get the damn bsd guys to add it to their libc :-)
19:41.33mallumyeah
19:42.23pb___I suppose that'd just mean that someone would fork off a special StrdupBSD version though, and refuse to talk to any of the other developers again.
19:42.46dc_workingwe've never seen that before have we?
19:43.02pb___Oh, I must have been thinking of some different operating system.
19:43.14dc_workingmy god, I can see it on freshmeat now...
19:43.18dc_workingStrdupBSD!
19:46.14mallumthe moral of the story is, dont steel other peoples code
19:46.39pb___ah, somebody else wrote the bad strdup?
19:47.00mallumI took bits of the .desktop parser from something else, name the bit that used strndup - Id have probably never used it myself
19:49.09mccarthyis there sarcasm going on in here?
19:49.39pb___mallum: aha.
19:51.13mallumyeah its strndup, not strdup
19:51.35pb___oh right.  I think that function is pretty much broken as designed.
19:51.50mallumyeah, as Im discovering :-)
19:54.34mallumI'll build a new package with the fix anyway
19:54.52pb___cool.
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20:01.31mallumokey uploaded
20:02.25pb___great.
20:06.55pb___I'll upgrade just as soon as I have a stable kernel again.
20:07.52florianre
20:07.59mallumhey florian
20:08.10pb___florian: re
20:08.20mallumpb___: I should release 0.5 full I guess - I should do that tommorow
20:08.27pb___ok, that'd be good.
20:08.36mallumpb___: I can then start dumping fun matchbox's in unstable :-)
20:09.12pb___incidentally, does that problem with mbmenu popping up in the wrong place when the dock is scrolled happen for you?
20:10.03mccarthypb___: happens for me
20:10.06floriannow that my living room floor is nearly finished... let's do something good :-)
20:10.13pb___florian: heh
20:10.17pb___florian: what were you doing to the floor?
20:10.48mallumyeah I can imagine it happening, moving the mbmenu a tinybit will probably fix it
20:11.47mallumpb___: scrolling is going in next proper release, and Im beginning the pain of fixing all mb panel apps to use a new api so they can handle being resized etc
20:12.34pb___ok
20:13.13mallumif the dock gets full a new one will probably get forked off
20:15.15cmarquflorian: You don't mind me translating gpe-conf, do you?
20:15.15florianpb___: installing a new covering :-)
20:15.55pb___florian: ah, jolly good
20:17.26mccarthywhy do I have all these locale-base-* ipkg instaled now?! (and why do they yell at me when I try to uninstall them?)
20:17.41floriancmarqu: great, this would be a pleasure for me :-)
20:17.50cmarquCool then.
20:18.25floriancmarqu: but there are the .desktop things missing at the moment....
20:19.39pb___mccarthy: sounds like an ipkg bug.
20:20.01cmarquflorian: No big deal.
20:20.01pb___mccarthy: you could look on it as an opportunity to learn a new language though!
20:20.16mccarthypb___: :) lazy americans learn no new languages
20:29.34mccarthypb___: its weird, I think I had a circular dependency with those locale packages
20:30.13pb___mccarthy: strange
20:31.27mccarthywell. gpe-calendar depends on gpe-calendar-locale-*, isnt that going to pull in any that are around?
20:31.43mccarthy(so maybe I didnt have a circular dependecy)
20:32.32pb___mccarthy: shouldn't do.  the "*" is magic syntax.
20:32.43mccarthypb___: oh
20:32.55pb___if it _is_ pulling them in, I guess that means jamey broke something.
20:33.08mccarthydamn jamey
20:49.20dc_working0x4046d635 in g_strup (string=0x804d8de "Access denied.") at gstrfuncs.c:1588
20:49.20dc_working1588    gstrfuncs.c: No such file or directory.
20:49.20dc_working<PROTECTED>
20:49.21dc_workingwhoah
20:49.23dc_workingnot cool.
20:49.53dc_workingheh
20:49.54dc_workingmy bad.
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21:16.35torenvlietHi, is there any way to clean the fonds up in GPE a bit?
21:16.50dc__fonts?
21:17.02torenvlietyes sorry fonts
21:17.19dc__um.
21:17.30torenvlietthey look a little blurry at the moment, and I can't get things like the @ sign from my keyboard input
21:17.36torenvlietis this normal
21:17.39dc__'ipkg install familiar-postinst'
21:17.49torenvlietgreat
21:17.58dc__then '~/postinst' or that could me postinstall
21:18.01dc__not sure.
21:18.21pb___torenvliet: what version of familiar are you using?
21:18.47torenvliet.61
21:18.52dc__that will install M$ fonts (assuminng it's still donne that way)
21:19.03dc__torenvliet: pb___ is your master
21:19.03torenvlietI think I already did the postinsall thing
21:19.11dc__he has a long and wise tail
21:19.18pb___so it seems.
21:19.24pb___I don't know why my tail is so long today.
21:19.46pb___Usually that indicates that my evil twin pb_ is nearby, but I don't see him.
21:20.31torenvlietseems I already have the postinstall
21:20.33dc__hehe
21:20.33dc__right
21:20.39pb___torenvliet: did you run the script?
21:20.52torenvlietI'll check that out
21:21.06torenvlietyes I did that too
21:21.35torenvlietThanks Bill
21:21.50pb___in that case, I'm not sure what to suggest.  you could try upgrading to Familiar 0.7, which ships with better fonts out of the box.
21:21.56torenvlietdo you all have usable @ signs from your keyboard input
21:21.58torenvliet?
21:22.42pb___yes.
21:23.03torenvliethmmm that's weird, I'll upgrade though
21:23.43torenvlietwhat features does the plain bootstrap image have?
21:23.43pb___ah, some guy has started translating GPE to Irish.  That's cool.
21:23.59pb___plain bootstrap is just a minimal system, no GUI.
21:24.16torenvlietdoes it have ssh
21:24.21pb___yes, I think so.
21:24.21torenvlietand vi
21:24.42torenvliethow does the terminal look, pretty good(the text I mean
21:24.44torenvliet)
21:25.27pb___yes, I guess so.
21:25.38pb___it depends what font you use, of course.
21:25.59PaxAnimapb___: what's different between UK and Irish english?
21:26.06torenvlietI just ran post-inst again and it all looks much better, but I still don't have an @ sign
21:26.11torenvlietI have a " instead
21:26.13dc__heh
21:26.21dc__torenvliet: wrong locale
21:27.19torenvlietI see where can I set that?
21:27.41pb___PaxAnima: the Irish say "to be sure" and "so" a lot.  But the language in question here is not Irish English, it is Irish Irish.
21:28.01torenvlietI though the Irish talked in Gaelic
21:28.06PaxAnimaah... so the irish has their own language?
21:28.53pb___PaxAnima: Yes.  So do the Welsh and the Scots.
21:29.49torenvlietdc__ :so where do I set the locale from
21:29.51PaxAnimaI see...
21:30.07dc__torenvliet: umm
21:30.35dc__pb___ knows where......doesn't he....
21:30.37torenvlietthey have groups for that
21:30.58pb___dunno.  in /etc/profile, I guess.  With Familiar 0.7, you select it at the login screen.
21:31.45dc__right!
21:31.48dc__he's right..
21:32.09pb___dc__: what's the latest with the filemanager, anyway?
21:32.22dc__pb___: well, move works...rename and delete are next...:}
21:32.26dc__heh
21:32.28pb___great.
21:32.35dc__oh the features it will posses.
21:32.45flypiperpb___: you compiling evolution on a winder or cross ??
21:32.53torenvliet.61 doesn't have a locale selector at the login
21:33.02pb___flypiper: neither, I'm just trying to use it on my i386 desktop :-/
21:33.08flypiperahhhhh
21:33.16pb___flypiper: chinese spams seem to have a habit of making it crash.
21:33.42pb___I have to try to delete them really quickly, before it has a chance to load the message body.
21:33.54dc__hehe
21:34.36torenvlietpb___ is .7 less buggy that .61?
21:34.42pb___torenvliet: yes
21:34.50flypiperpb___: my wife uses it in RH8 but seems kinda buggy
21:35.25torenvlietkay I'll go there then ttyl
21:35.31pb___flypiper: yeah.
21:39.32torenvlietpb___ one more question, there doesn't seem to be an h38 .7 release, is there an equivalent?
21:39.43pb___use the 3600 images for h3800
21:39.51torenvlietokay
21:40.15torenvlietI did that before, could that be one reason why my installation seems so unstable?
21:40.28pb___no, that is the correct image to use.
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21:43.48torenvlietpb___ just one more, whenever I center press the joystick, and reset to get the boot loader screen, the bootloader takes forever, what is the best way to get the boot loader up
21:44.35pb___that's the correct thing to do.  What do you mean by "takes forever"?
21:45.00PaxAnimawould anyone mind if I change the name of psCalc to "Advanced calculator" in the .desktop file?
21:45.18dc__I strongly protest!!!
21:45.30dc__how can you prove it's advanced enough?
21:45.37PaxAnimaanyone else? ;)
21:45.40torenvlietthe screen goes blank and in some undetermined amount of time I ussually find myself maddly banging at it, then I stop, forget about for a while and look at it and the bootloader is up
21:45.46torenvlietI am not sure how
21:46.09flypipertorenvliet: what bootldr are you using?
21:46.11pb___I've never seen that.  What version of bootldr do you have?
21:46.19pb___PaxAnima: no, go ahead.
21:46.39torenvlietits the newwest one
21:46.43pb___2.19.73?
21:46.45PaxAnimaI'll change it then....
21:46.49torenvliet55 I think
21:47.03flypipertorenvliet: I have 2.19.71 on my 3800 ... works fine
21:47.11torenvlietno, where can I find that
21:47.25florianjimmac created an pcmcia icon for us :-)))
21:48.16nelsonflorian: Ooohhhh, are we going to have an "eject" applet?
21:48.27torenvlietthe newest booldr on the web-site I was at yesterday wat 2.18.54
21:48.47nelsonflorian: that would be excellent, because right now there's no way to get something out of a slot without bringing up a terminal, etc.
21:49.02nelsontorenvliet: 2.19.73 is latest.
21:49.13nelsontorenvliet: http://handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr/
21:49.17floriannelson: i'm shure we will ;-)
21:49.34nelsonflorian: excellent.  Will it be ready for 0.7?
21:49.37cmarqunelson: One of the buttons in gpe-conf PC/CF Cards will do that, but it's not obvious.
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21:50.06floriannelson: help me to remind me... i think with some code from gpe-conf/cardinfo this is really easy
21:50.07torenvlietI'll check that out
21:50.14torenvlietthanks again guys
21:50.15cmarquflorian: Maybe you could ask jimmac if he has ideas there...
21:50.41dc__mallum: wake up!
21:50.42floriancmarqu: about what?
21:50.59florianhttp://jimmac.musichall.cz/ikony/i45/pcmcia.png
21:51.14cmarquflorian: About those eject/insert/resume/reset etc. buttons in gpe-conf PC/CF Cards
21:51.17nelsoncmarqu: ideally, the applet will get run when a card is inserted, and removed when ejected.
21:51.47dc__yay!
21:51.51dc__icons!
21:52.10floriancmarqu: oh this is another point... i think he is the one who created the current icons...
21:57.07floriannight all...
21:57.16cmarquNight florian
21:57.37dc__pb___: is it possibly to make a transparent GtkTextView?
21:57.46pb___dc__: I guess so.
21:57.55dc__or hrmm
21:57.59dc__no..wait..
21:58.07dc__pb___: I'm thiking about file renaming.
21:58.18dc__but I guess I'm just destracting myself
21:58.19dc__heh
21:58.44pb___heh
21:58.52pb___dc__: you seem to be dying an awful lot today.
21:58.58pb___let's hope you have more than nine lives.
21:58.59dc__indeed.
21:59.02dc__right!
21:59.56mccarthydc__: I tried to figure out how xpdf currently displays things, but it is written in C++ which is almost completely greek to me....
22:00.07dc__mccarthy: :(
22:00.18dc__mccarthy: I should be able to start the gui in the next few hours...
22:00.24torenvlietnice I see they've cut the install time in half
22:00.31dc__mccarthy: but...it's not much use without a renderer...
22:01.54mccarthydc__: yep. it does PBM output which would be easy enough to render, but I cant figure if this is a "Save As..." option or the default renderer
22:02.09dc__heh
22:10.43dc__right..
22:10.46dc__rename nearly done
22:10.47dc__how fun
22:10.52dc__that rhymes.
22:14.52dc__wow!
22:15.09dc__I just installed quicktime via wine
22:15.25mallumdc__: was aom'ing
22:15.33dc__omfg.
22:15.41dc__it's started
22:20.19dc__okay...maybe not.
22:22.50mccarthylater all....time to go home (maybe Ill be back since I am working tonight)
22:24.36dc__right
22:24.46dc__mccarthy: I'll make suer I staart on gpe-pdf tonight!
22:24.55dc__mccarthy: I alreaduu jabe an icon for it!
22:24.56dc__weeeee.
22:24.59dc__thank jimmac ;)
22:29.44mccarthylater all
22:52.58torenvlietI am still trying to find out how to get the @ sign to work on my keyboard, I just installed gpe7 and I still have the same problem
22:53.20torenvlietanyone know how to change locale in gpe?
22:53.42mallumtorenvliet: on the software keyboard ?
22:54.11torenvlietyeah
22:54.27mallumis it not a shifted ' ?
22:55.03torenvlietwhen I press shift I have a quotation sign "
22:55.10torenvlietwhere the @ should be
22:55.16mallumare you using US layout ?
22:55.34torenvlietI chose us language on the login screnn
22:56.58torenvlietI see what you mean, it works now, thanks
22:57.25torenvlietin .6 when I changed the virtual input type it made no difference, now it seems to be working fine
22:58.57mallumcool
23:08.24dc__bbl, animatrix time!
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23:13.43torenvlietdoes gpe synch with any desktops apps in gnome?
23:14.36moraytorenvliet: sync isn't really implemented yet (AFAIK) I'm afraid, but there are scripts to e.g. import and export vcard data
23:15.22torenvlietmoray: vcard is the standard evolution format right?
23:15.46moraytorenvliet: Evolution will use it I think, yes, it is the standard
23:16.03torenvlietmoray: where can I get / what are those scripts
23:17.18moraytorenvliet: they should be in the 'gpe-mimedir-tools' package I think
23:18.32torenvlietmoray: do the maitainers have a site with some docs, or is it fly by the seat
23:19.24moraytorenvliet: at the moment most documentation is 'look at the code in CVS', so more the latter to be honest ;)
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23:19.42moraytorenvliet: however, many of the maintainers for packages are on this channel
23:19.51moraytorenvliet: e.g. the maintainer for that package is pb___
23:21.05torenvlietcool, well I'll see pb around I'm sure
23:21.15torenvlietI'll be back
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23:52.39dc__weeee
23:52.41dc__very cool
23:54.47moraydc__: what now?
23:56.21dc__the animatrix

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