| 00:00.05 | moray | pb_: there's a little arrow at the top left that puts it back (or takes it out) |
| 00:00.28 | moray | next to the cross that it randomly has for closing the window if you don't like the close button your wm provides |
| 00:00.33 | pb_ | moray: hm, I don't seem to have that. I just have the cross. |
| 00:00.39 | moray | hm. |
| 00:01.06 | moray | maybe it's somewhere in one of the various tabs in one of the various preferences windows. |
| 00:01.10 | spung | moray: well, what do you call when when the bank let's you pay something during a period of time? |
| 00:01.24 | mallum | spung: I like mutt, but use xcack |
| 00:01.27 | moray | pb_: I'll tell you if I spot what the keypress is ;) |
| 00:01.35 | moray | (since it also puts them back I think) |
| 00:01.41 | pb_ | moray: thanks :-) |
| 00:02.06 | moray | pb_: I'm now doing my IRCing via a ctrlproxy actually, which means that I can kill off and restart xchat without bouncing ;) |
| 00:02.14 | pb_ | heh |
| 00:02.15 | spung | mallum: ok then let me order us by level of leetness pb < mallum < spung |
| 00:02.20 | moray | pb_: and in fact, I also have an irssi attached to the same proxy |
| 00:02.36 | pb_ | yeah, maybe I should go back to irssi again. |
| 00:02.40 | spung | anyway my student number in the music school of coimbra is 1337 |
| 00:02.40 | moray | spung: what if I use both irssi and xchat, though? |
| 00:02.42 | spung | so ph3ar me |
| 00:02.47 | moray | spung: ha! |
| 00:02.49 | spung | true! |
| 00:02.50 | pb_ | I used to think it was irssi causing my xserver to bloat, but I now think the problem was actually due to the theme I was using with gtk1. |
| 00:02.52 | mallum | spung: I sometimes use erc, surely thats more elite than irssi |
| 00:03.07 | moray | pb_: oh, I only ever used irssi-text, not the graphicky version |
| 00:03.07 | spung | mallum: i sometimes use telnet, hah! |
| 00:03.30 | pb_ | moray: the X irssi isn't bad, except that it always locked up when I tried to do dcc. |
| 00:03.38 | mallum | spung: I hand code the X protocol to make numerous apps on the fly |
| 00:03.41 | spung | pb_: don't tell me you use make xconfig instead of make menuconfig ? |
| 00:03.53 | pb_ | moray: oh, and once in a while it would get wedged at startup, which was particularly annoying because it did it with the mouse and keyboard grabbed. |
| 00:03.56 | moray | pb_: I think when I first looked at irssi the X version was unmaintained, though I'd hope that's changed since |
| 00:04.01 | pb_ | spung: I use vi. |
| 00:04.01 | moray | pb_: ow. |
| 00:04.08 | spung | lol |
| 00:04.13 | moray | pb_: not ed, then? |
| 00:04.26 | spung | I run netbsd on a 386 :) |
| 00:04.49 | spung | NetBSD pastorius 1.6 NetBSD 1.6 (GENERIC_TINY) |
| 00:05.28 | spung | cpu0: Intel 386DX (386-class) |
| 00:05.29 | spung | i win |
| 00:05.47 | spung | i wonder why dc is so quiet? :) |
| 00:06.06 | pb_ | I think he's in the process of destroying his c700. |
| 00:06.23 | mallum | muahahaha |
| 00:06.30 | spung | hah |
| 00:06.44 | spung | poor dc ;) |
| 00:06.57 | pb_ | spung: either that or he's overwhelmed by your 1337 netbsd skillz and feels embarrassed to speak. |
| 00:07.05 | moray | spung: I have an account on a Debian NetBSD SPARC machine here, I think that wins |
| 00:07.08 | mallum | he's gonna be even poorer when his c700 turns to lead |
| 00:07.48 | mallum | I have windows XP, that beats you all |
| 00:08.19 | spung | omg |
| 00:08.24 | pigeon | mallum: You mean you bought it? ;) |
| 00:08.35 | mallum | pigeon: no not yet |
| 00:08.44 | spung | :D |
| 00:08.53 | pigeon | mallum: I have chinese windows XP :) |
| 00:08.55 | moray | spung: why aren't you using Debian GNU/NetBSD anyway? it's much better :p |
| 00:09.10 | mallum | pigeon: I hoping the key from my unused tabletXP will work on my XP dev disc is whatever |
| 00:09.21 | pigeon | Ah hehehe |
| 00:09.26 | spung | moray: have you seen apt-get on a P133? imagine it on a 386! |
| 00:10.20 | moray | spung: I did have Debian on a 4 MB 486 laptop (that had already become obsolete); installation was painful, but it worked fine |
| 00:10.36 | moray | spung: (apt-get wasn't used) |
| 00:10.45 | spung | moray: right :) thought so |
| 00:10.54 | mallum | ipkg is going the same way |
| 00:10.58 | pb_ | I had Debian on a 386 up until a couple of years ago, including copious apt-get usage. |
| 00:10.59 | spung | mallum: heh |
| 00:11.03 | mallum | ipkg - bringer of OOM's |
| 00:11.04 | moray | pb_: how much RAM though? |
| 00:11.09 | pb_ | moray: 8MB I think. |
| 00:11.34 | moray | pb_: yes, I think that makes quite a difference. 4 MB really isn't enough to ever avoid using swap, whatever you're doing. |
| 00:12.03 | pb_ | moray: to get 16MB I would have needed 4MB SIMMs, which were unthinkably expensive at the time. |
| 00:12.04 | moray | (I had to use the then-existent low memory boot disk before the main boot disk just to get the installation system to run.) |
| 00:12.13 | spung | moray: i want to do a netinstall on a weird 486, netbsd doesn't like it (i should try an older version. maybe), and the slackware disk doesn't like that little ram i think.. any suggestions? |
| 00:12.37 | pb_ | moray: yeah, I guess 4MB probably is a bit on the low side. I don't think you can ever run the woody installer in less than about 12. |
| 00:12.58 | moray | spung: well, assuming it's firewalled an old Debian release might not be stupid... |
| 00:13.16 | spung | pb_: you don't have any 2/4mb simms lying around do you? :D |
| 00:13.50 | pb_ | spung: nope, sorry. I guess you should be able to buy some quite cheaply nowadays, though. |
| 00:13.59 | mallum | bedtime now g'night all |
| 00:14.14 | spung | moray: i was hoping to run X ;) i had it working once before the ide controller messed everything up |
| 00:15.26 | moray | spung: in a shared house I was in we had a (19"?) X terminal in the kitchen, which was quite fun |
| 00:15.58 | moray | spung: we also had an old 486 under the table, with speaker connected, and played music by streaming the decompressed version to NAS on it |
| 00:16.08 | spung | moray: that's cool!! |
| 00:16.29 | spung | well, i have a lot of old computers in my room and a double bass :) |
| 00:16.55 | moray | ha |
| 00:17.05 | spung | moray: http://netman.ath.cx/stuff/quarto.png |
| 00:18.13 | moray | spung: ah, looks like you've been practising your music, very good of you. |
| 00:18.15 | BluefoxIcy | het |
| 00:18.22 | spung | moray: heheh |
| 00:18.22 | BluefoxIcy | how do I check to see if a file is a hardlink? |
| 00:18.46 | moray | you don't, AFAIK |
| 00:18.55 | pb_ | BluefoxIcy: that's a fairly meaningless thing to check. |
| 00:19.11 | pigeon | spung: nice cello btw |
| 00:19.28 | BluefoxIcy | pb_: No, I wanna see if it's a hardlink to see if I should copy it or duplicate its structure on sync |
| 00:19.29 | spung | pigeon: ;) i wish my playing was as nice |
| 00:19.41 | pigeon | spung: :) |
| 00:19.50 | pb_ | BluefoxIcy: what do you mean by "is a hardlink"? |
| 00:19.58 | BluefoxIcy | pb: ln foo bar |
| 00:20.10 | BluefoxIcy | pb: As opposed to ln -s foo bar... |
| 00:20.10 | pb_ | yes, I know how you create a hardlink. |
| 00:20.26 | BluefoxIcy | yes. I wanna be able to tell if the file is a hard link |
| 00:20.27 | pb_ | but, after you have done so, "foo" and "bar" are identical in every respect. |
| 00:20.32 | BluefoxIcy | no |
| 00:20.39 | BluefoxIcy | bar does not take up any space |
| 00:20.44 | pb_ | it is not meaningful to talk about one being a "hard link", and the other not. |
| 00:20.54 | moray | BluefoxIcy: I think you need to reread the chapter on the Unix file system? |
| 00:20.54 | BluefoxIcy | eh? |
| 00:21.03 | pb_ | neither foo nor bar takes up any space. |
| 00:21.06 | spung | BluefoxIcy: i think every file is a hardlink :) |
| 00:21.13 | BluefoxIcy | wtf is a hardlink then? |
| 00:21.13 | pb_ | the space is taken up by the file data that both of them point to. |
| 00:21.23 | BluefoxIcy | yes they point to the same data right? |
| 00:21.35 | pb_ | yes. |
| 00:21.38 | BluefoxIcy | so like |
| 00:21.45 | BluefoxIcy | why do I wanna copy it twice? |
| 00:21.58 | BluefoxIcy | and I'm trying to duplicate the remote directory's structure |
| 00:22.16 | pb_ | ah, you're writing rsync? |
| 00:22.24 | BluefoxIcy | .... |
| 00:22.25 | spung | hah |
| 00:22.31 | pb_ | well, I suppose you can inspect the inode numbers, and not copy a file whose inode you have already seen. |
| 00:22.33 | moray | pb_: yes, I was wondering that too |
| 00:22.44 | moray | (if he was just trying to do rsync) |
| 00:23.10 | moray | BluefoxIcy: apart from the difficulty in setting up rsync, what does your scheme gain you (assuming you could write it instantly)? |
| 00:23.36 | BluefoxIcy | moray: rsync doesn't give you the options of dealing with a change since the last sync in both places |
| 00:24.00 | BluefoxIcy | moray: i.e. if I change file foo on local and remote, activesync will ask me which to replace or if it should just leave it for now. |
| 00:24.20 | BluefoxIcy | moray: rsync will assume the one with the more recent date is the newer one. It does NOT keep a database |
| 00:27.04 | BluefoxIcy | ay, and it appears a hardlink is never pointing at another ifle |
| 00:27.07 | BluefoxIcy | *file |
| 00:27.18 | BluefoxIcy | just at data, so you can't find the original can you |
| 00:27.28 | spung | BluefoxIcy: no |
| 00:27.41 | spung | i think |
| 00:27.41 | spung | :) |
| 00:27.45 | BluefoxIcy | ... |
| 00:28.01 | spung | BluefoxIcy: yeah, no |
| 00:28.11 | spung | BluefoxIcy: the data stays there |
| 00:28.23 | spung | BluefoxIcy: until there are no hardlinks |
| 00:28.44 | BluefoxIcy | that's annoying |
| 00:28.56 | spung | BluefoxIcy: well, that's what hardlinks are for |
| 00:28.56 | BluefoxIcy | look at rsync's options though |
| 00:29.32 | BluefoxIcy | beh |
| 00:29.37 | BluefoxIcy | someone else can clean up after me. |
| 00:29.53 | BluefoxIcy | I'll write the database structures but leave no actual code to handle it |
| 00:30.11 | BluefoxIcy | oww |
| 00:30.37 | moray | erm, why? |
| 00:30.55 | spung | pb_: my isp's mailservers are undergoing na upgrade, they're going to install the latest web outlook something, ahrg |
| 00:31.01 | BluefoxIcy | I dunno, evidently I'm trying to shave my leg with my teeth or something |
| 00:31.09 | pb_ | spung: ! |
| 00:31.29 | BluefoxIcy | web outlook sucks |
| 00:31.35 | moray | spung: ah yes, using your ISP's mailservers is always a poor idea |
| 00:31.46 | BluefoxIcy | use hotmale |
| 00:31.51 | BluefoxIcy | *hotmail |
| 00:31.57 | moray | hotmail would be worse, yes. |
| 00:32.06 | BluefoxIcy | worse than outlook? |
| 00:32.17 | BluefoxIcy | over the web no less |
| 00:32.23 | spung | moray: any suggestions? :D |
| 00:32.25 | BluefoxIcy | so you have to download this whole big UI |
| 00:33.18 | spung | moray: i could try the university mail.. but they run so much stuff on that redhat server |
| 00:33.59 | moray | spung: well, I'd expect the university one would be more sensible, but I don't know for sure. these days I just use my own mailserver (currently on static-IP ADSL). |
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| 00:34.54 | BluefoxIcy | redhat is a bunch of communists |
| 00:35.01 | BluefoxIcy | just think about it |
| 00:35.02 | spung | moray: yeah, i'm afraid my isp's ip-staticness is as good as the mail servers :) |
| 00:35.12 | BluefoxIcy | the girl wears a red hat, and dresses red, with red lipstick |
| 00:35.24 | spung | BluefoxIcy: i have a couple of communist friends :) |
| 00:35.25 | BluefoxIcy | or wait is it a guy? |
| 00:35.27 | BluefoxIcy | I can never tell |
| 00:35.36 | BluefoxIcy | spung: Not that kind of communist |
| 00:35.40 | moray | BluefoxIcy: I'm not sure your political views would go down so well over here in Europe... |
| 00:35.53 | BluefoxIcy | spung: The kind that curse and call all other people evil for not being communist |
| 00:35.58 | spung | yeah, europe people _think_ for themselves :) |
| 00:36.09 | BluefoxIcy | heh |
| 00:36.18 | BluefoxIcy | a worldwide poll was being taken |
| 00:36.22 | BluefoxIcy | the question was as follows: |
| 00:36.34 | BluefoxIcy | "Excuse me, what is your opinion on the recent meat shortage?" |
| 00:36.44 | BluefoxIcy | in Texas, the response was "What's a shortage?" |
| 00:36.52 | BluefoxIcy | In poland, the response was "What's meat?" |
| 00:37.01 | spung | BluefoxIcy: that kind of people exist on every political group |
| 00:37.06 | BluefoxIcy | In the Soviet Union, the response was "What's an opinion?" |
| 00:37.12 | dc_ | hsh |
| 00:37.14 | dc_ | hehehe |
| 00:37.21 | spung | BluefoxIcy: and iraq? |
| 00:37.24 | BluefoxIcy | And in New York, the response was "What the hell is 'Excuse me'?" |
| 00:37.33 | spung | lol |
| 00:37.33 | spung | :) |
| 00:37.33 | moray | BluefoxIcy: you seem to have missed the last 15 years or so of world history... |
| 00:37.43 | BluefoxIcy | moray: The USSR died in 1992 |
| 00:38.02 | BluefoxIcy | moray: But when was the poll taken ;-) |
| 00:38.17 | spung | BluefoxIcy: and many of them came to my country teach me how to play tennis, double bass and sing |
| 00:38.20 | spung | i like them :) |
| 00:38.33 | BluefoxIcy | heh |
| 00:38.53 | BluefoxIcy | What's the difference between a communist and a facist? |
| 00:38.54 | spung | hah, not to mention one that gave birth to a cousin of mine |
| 00:39.06 | spung | BluefoxIcy: what's the difference between left and right? |
| 00:39.08 | moray | BluefoxIcy: (and the Berlin Wall was opened in 1989) |
| 00:39.22 | BluefoxIcy | The communist tries to keep everything the same, while the facist just winds up shooting everyone |
| 00:40.08 | BluefoxIcy | Anyhow, red is the historical designated color of the communist party |
| 00:40.23 | BluefoxIcy | (Yes, it's a US political party as well) |
| 00:41.13 | spung | oh well, you're american |
| 00:41.16 | spung | poor soul :) |
| 00:41.23 | BluefoxIcy | lol |
| 00:41.32 | BluefoxIcy | hey I like free markets |
| 00:41.40 | BluefoxIcy | lets me find cheaper videogames |
| 00:41.45 | moray | BluefoxIcy: however, it's very much a US preoccupation to worry about communists - although I thought that was mostly being replaced with terrorists now? |
| 00:41.59 | BluefoxIcy | especially when EB was always charging like $20 more than best buy |
| 00:42.01 | moray | BluefoxIcy: I thought that the pirated videogames in China were cheaper :p |
| 00:42.06 | spung | moray: i think it's the french now |
| 00:42.12 | BluefoxIcy | moray: Beh, terrorists aren't communists |
| 00:42.17 | BluefoxIcy | moray: And vice versa |
| 00:43.07 | BluefoxIcy | iraqis have free speach now |
| 00:43.40 | spung | BluefoxIcy: yeah, empty museums and full hospitals :\ |
| 00:43.43 | BluefoxIcy | sadam was a tryannical dictator, not a terrorist |
| 00:43.46 | moray | BluefoxIcy: I'm not sure we really should really have that argument here |
| 00:44.32 | BluefoxIcy | he wasn't a communist either, AFAIK... they try to make something work. He was... ........................... wtf was he doing? |
| 00:44.48 | BluefoxIcy | Besides getting his house bombed :-p |
| 00:44.57 | BluefoxIcy | whatever |
| 00:45.00 | spung | BluefoxIcy: yeah, nevermind that :) go back to coding your activesync clone :) |
| 00:45.07 | BluefoxIcy | nah |
| 00:45.09 | BluefoxIcy | I'm gonna get a sub |
| 00:45.20 | BluefoxIcy | how'd we get to iraq? |
| 00:45.27 | BluefoxIcy | . . . . . . . . the french. |
| 00:45.34 | BluefoxIcy | and terrorists. Right. |
| 00:51.27 | pb_ | ah, peace at last. |
| 00:52.42 | dc_ | hehe |
| 00:56.15 | pb_ | g'night |
| 00:56.27 | spung | night pb |
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| 01:00.17 | spung | moray: i'm giving slackware 3.3 a try :) |
| 01:04.31 | spung | moray: at least their LOWMEM.TXT talks about machines with 4 or les mb of RAM not 32m or less :) |
| 01:08.07 | moray | spung: that's the same with older versions of Debian |
| 01:10.40 | spung | moray: do older debian versions support net installs? |
| 01:15.22 | moray | spung: slink supported NFS installs, certainly |
| 01:15.39 | spung | ahh i link ftp instalsl better |
| 01:15.40 | spung | :) |
| 01:16.16 | moray | although for the base system you just needed to download stuff from one directory anyway |
| 01:16.59 | spung | i'm going to try slackware :) |
| 01:17.09 | spung | through floopy disks |
| 01:17.16 | spung | :) |
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| 08:12.21 | florian | morning all! |
| 08:14.31 | BluefoxIcy | hi florian |
| 08:14.56 | BluefoxIcy | do you know where I can find someone capable of compiling an ARM program this early in the morning? |
| 08:15.07 | florian | ah, great - i'm not the only one not sleeping ;-) |
| 08:15.15 | BluefoxIcy | I absolutely need to support full iso time in ls |
| 08:15.28 | BluefoxIcy | as in ... open a terminal, type ls -al --full-time |
| 08:16.15 | BluefoxIcy | florian: I looked at the clock a bit ago and was like "Wtf? It's not 11:00?" |
| 08:16.17 | BluefoxIcy | It was 3 AM |
| 08:16.26 | florian | compiling an arm program should not be to complicated... |
| 08:16.42 | BluefoxIcy | time flies when you're cloning activesync using scp/ssh |
| 08:16.44 | florian | BluefoxIcy: :-) |
| 08:17.02 | BluefoxIcy | anyhow I'm doing this in perl |
| 08:17.37 | BluefoxIcy | and to minimize bloat/work (look my home directory--the desktop one--it takes 4 whole seconds), I use ls -Al --full-time |
| 08:17.52 | BluefoxIcy | (I'm on a 1.7 Ghz processor btw) |
| 08:17.53 | florian | urks, yes - i never tried active sync |
| 08:18.25 | BluefoxIcy | well, it's right now (I started 10 hours ago) able to either generate or sync your ssh keys |
| 08:18.36 | BluefoxIcy | (generate new or sync current to remote machine) |
| 08:18.58 | BluefoxIcy | so you don't need to type your password to make a secure connection (since we do this hundreds of times a sync, this would be infeasable) |
| 08:19.11 | florian | sounds nice... and like much of work :-) |
| 08:19.41 | BluefoxIcy | it also can scp up a file, preserving permissions and automatically taking advantage of -C (ssh compression) |
| 08:19.52 | BluefoxIcy | or get one down |
| 08:20.13 | BluefoxIcy | it's a few simple scripts, but there's two very complex ones |
| 08:21.00 | BluefoxIcy | the syncstat (recurses a whole directory tree on both ends, compares its results, generates a summary of changes for things that aren't 100% identical on both ends to the previous state) |
| 08:21.03 | florian | hmm, maybe it would be faster in c ;-) |
| 08:21.41 | BluefoxIcy | and the sync update (checks the syncstat updates, decides what to do based on some input and the returned state) |
| 08:22.07 | BluefoxIcy | perl is easier |
| 08:22.24 | BluefoxIcy | and it's nowhere near as slow as activesync 3.0 ;-) |
| 08:22.51 | BluefoxIcy | plus perl is jittered (compiled before run |
| 08:23.45 | BluefoxIcy | hmm |
| 08:23.59 | BluefoxIcy | well, it is gonna be able to sync pc->ipaq or pc->pc |
| 08:24.09 | BluefoxIcy | provided the remote host has an sshd running |
| 08:24.28 | florian | hmm... activesync would be nice for aour databases - e.g. contacts. but i have no idea how to do this |
| 08:24.31 | BluefoxIcy | once the scripts are done, someone can gui this |
| 08:24.52 | BluefoxIcy | and call them from a gui |
| 08:25.15 | florian | but perl is large afaik... |
| 08:25.18 | BluefoxIcy | (you need to pass the keygen/keysync scripts the user's password!) |
| 08:25.23 | BluefoxIcy | so? |
| 08:25.31 | BluefoxIcy | perl is on like every linux box I've ever seen |
| 08:25.53 | BluefoxIcy | it only needs to be on the local machine, not the remote |
| 08:27.55 | florian | ah, cool - then this would be no problem.. |
| 08:28.09 | BluefoxIcy | yeh well |
| 08:28.17 | BluefoxIcy | it needs to make a lot of connections |
| 08:28.36 | BluefoxIcy | like it connects, ls -Al --full-time, starts parsing, |
| 08:28.51 | BluefoxIcy | when it hits a directory it recurses the function, and starts looking in that directory |
| 08:28.58 | BluefoxIcy | and so on |
| 08:29.34 | BluefoxIcy | and each step upwards it combines the tree, prepending the base it called it with to it |
| 08:30.31 | BluefoxIcy | the thing is mad easy to do in perl, but...it's tempermental too |
| 08:30.49 | BluefoxIcy | if ls can't display the data formatted EXACTLY as I need, it gets weird values and screws itself up |
| 08:32.33 | BluefoxIcy | anyhow, I asked ibot to tell pb about it. It can't be THAT much code |
| 08:33.13 | BluefoxIcy | the thing is, ls on the ipaq understands -e (I can work with that), but local ls doesn't. |
| 08:33.42 | BluefoxIcy | so even if I adjust for that, it screws up pc->pc sync (syncing of home directories) |
| 08:34.39 | florian | eh, yes - the ls command is part of busybox, maybe this only needs to be configured to be activated |
| 08:35.00 | BluefoxIcy | crap ;-) |
| 08:35.34 | BluefoxIcy | or someone may need to patch busybox |
| 08:36.17 | BluefoxIcy | in either case, I'll have a workable set of sync scripts soon |
| 08:36.28 | BluefoxIcy | just tack on a GUI to call them |
| 08:36.31 | florian | eh, yes - but i fear this is not really funny |
| 08:37.59 | BluefoxIcy | (or else type gpekeysync.pl bluefox 192.168.1.11 && gpesyncstat.pl ipaq && gpesync.pl all ipaq normal normal |
| 08:39.59 | BluefoxIcy | i must... f**k |
| 08:45.33 | florian | ops;-) |
| 08:47.44 | BluefoxIcy | what? |
| 08:52.22 | florian | i managed to freeze my ipaq by changing to an non-existant theme :-/ |
| 08:52.34 | florian | another bug in gpe-conf :-( |
| 08:55.07 | BluefoxIcy | .. |
| 08:55.15 | BluefoxIcy | ssh into it |
| 08:55.18 | BluefoxIcy | and kill the process |
| 08:59.59 | florian | another dead bug :-) |
| 09:00.51 | florian | so, need to goo - bbl |
| 09:01.07 | florian | s/goo/go |
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| 09:45.02 | florian | re |
| 10:05.20 | BluefoxIcy | hmm |
| 10:05.37 | BluefoxIcy | I'm almost out of tea |
| 10:06.10 | florian | now a libipkg would be useful... |
| 10:06.37 | BluefoxIcy | lol |
| 10:06.48 | BluefoxIcy | ick. |
| 10:06.56 | BluefoxIcy | i'm not testing this on my home directory. |
| 10:07.38 | BluefoxIcy | as soon as I get the rudimentary out-of-sync summary code dune, I'll just go ahead and test it |
| 10:07.51 | BluefoxIcy | .... that's not how done is spelled, is it... x.x |
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| 10:10.51 | dc_c700 | weeeeee |
| 10:11.08 | florian | dc_c700: hi |
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| 10:13.25 | florian | hmm, seems not to be stable at the c700 |
| 10:13.31 | dc_c700 | oops |
| 10:13.37 | florian | ;-) |
| 10:13.38 | dc_c700 | wrong button |
| 10:13.44 | dc_c700 | :] |
| 10:16.00 | dc_c700 | hrm..... |
| 10:17.38 | dc_c700 | heh |
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| 10:35.38 | florian | mallum: hi mallum |
| 10:38.32 | mallum | florian: hey |
| 10:39.03 | mallum | florian: have you checked out gconf at all ? |
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| 10:43.18 | florian | mallum: no, not yet - i know i should feel ashamed... |
| 10:43.26 | pb_ | :-} |
| 10:43.37 | florian | pb_: hello |
| 10:43.55 | mallum | florian: oh I didn't mean it like that :-) |
| 10:44.27 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 10:44.34 | mallum | florian: I'm just thinking about making all the various mbdesktop stuff configurable over gconf rather than xsettings |
| 10:44.46 | mallum | florian: I now have a libxml free , dbus'd gconf |
| 10:45.32 | florian | mallum: hm, ok - at the moment i wore more ore less all the time on this gpe-conf stuff and a few other things i think are important to have soon... |
| 10:46.17 | mallum | florian: yeah, I ask cos I think gconf will be easer to code |
| 10:47.38 | florian | pb_: btw. is there the source of the current dillo? i want to add an menu item for adding a bookmark... |
| 10:47.51 | florian | mallum: is this in unstable? |
| 10:48.04 | pb_ | florian: I will check it into CVS this afternoon. |
| 10:48.41 | mallum | florian: its currently at hh.org/~mallum/dbus/ |
| 10:48.44 | pb_ | florian: nelson also filed an 0.7-blocking bug against dillo yesterday, so one of us should try to fix that. |
| 10:48.49 | mallum | florian: I can drop it into unstable |
| 10:50.01 | florian | mallum: i'm not really used to gconf, but i don't think i'll have a problem with it... |
| 10:50.18 | florian | mallum: ah, ok |
| 10:52.38 | florian | pb_: hm, much more work... i think i sent you the bookmark patch for dillo 0.7 some time ago.... |
| 10:52.44 | florian | brb |
| 10:54.18 | pb_ | florian: ok, I will check my old email. |
| 11:04.11 | BluefoxIcy | hi pb |
| 11:04.21 | BluefoxIcy | yes I'm still awake |
| 11:04.29 | BluefoxIcy | oh crap, that's stupid... |
| 11:05.15 | pb_ | BluefoxIcy: saw your botmail. not sure why you sent it to me, though. |
| 11:05.23 | BluefoxIcy | pb_: |
| 11:05.35 | BluefoxIcy | pb_: 'cause you're the only one I could think of |
| 11:05.48 | BluefoxIcy | besides, nobody else was awake :-p |
| 11:06.05 | pb_ | ah. well, there isn't really much I can do about it. I don't control the behaviour of ls. |
| 11:06.15 | BluefoxIcy | do you know who does? |
| 11:06.52 | pb_ | no, not offhand. |
| 11:07.01 | pb_ | check the Maintainer: field in ipkg. |
| 11:07.09 | BluefoxIcy | ..... the busybox ls is not portable, you know |
| 11:07.30 | BluefoxIcy | the next closest thing I can use (with added work) is ls -e, which does not work on normal ls |
| 11:07.38 | BluefoxIcy | heh |
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| 11:08.25 | BluefoxIcy | there's like no way to do it in a loop |
| 11:08.29 | BluefoxIcy | and it's a big unrolled loop |
| 11:08.32 | dc_ | heh |
| 11:08.38 | pb_ | dc_: afternoon |
| 11:08.39 | dc_ | mallum: hey, morning! |
| 11:08.49 | BluefoxIcy | (it's my own fault, if I would've arranged the structures in parallel it would have been more efficient) |
| 11:08.51 | dc_ | heeh. I did make it for morning, honest. |
| 11:08.58 | pb_ | heh |
| 11:08.59 | dc_ | florian can tell you ;) |
| 11:09.10 | BluefoxIcy | so what |
| 11:09.14 | BluefoxIcy | I forgot to sleep |
| 11:09.21 | BluefoxIcy | I thought it was like 11 pm |
| 11:09.27 | BluefoxIcy | looked at my clock it said 3 am |
| 11:09.33 | dc_ | hehe |
| 11:09.34 | BluefoxIcy | I was like "WTF?!" |
| 11:09.49 | dc_ | BluefoxIcy: they're all against you! |
| 11:10.13 | BluefoxIcy | dammit where's my porn-get? |
| 11:10.21 | dc_ | doh |
| 11:10.32 | dc_ | mallum: I need some help with the flashing. |
| 11:10.46 | dc_ | mallum: I tried for hours to get it working, but the two lights just flash together. |
| 11:11.52 | BluefoxIcy | oh yeah |
| 11:12.05 | florian | re |
| 11:12.40 | BluefoxIcy | florian? IS that like florajay? |
| 11:15.26 | florian | BluefoxIcy: ehe?! |
| 11:16.22 | BluefoxIcy | bird made of a big flower |
| 11:16.31 | dc_ | heh |
| 11:17.51 | florian | mallum: how are matchbox themes and gtk themes related with each other? |
| 11:20.12 | florian | BluefoxIcy: eh, i don't think so - i'm quite shure i can't fly ;-) |
| 11:21.26 | mallum | florian: themes laid out like this /usr/share/themes/<theme name>/matchbox|gtk|gtk2 |
| 11:21.42 | mallum | florian: look at you local gnome install and see how metacoty is connected |
| 11:21.56 | mallum | dc_: eh ? |
| 11:22.17 | dc_ | mallum: something's up with my reflashing. |
| 11:22.26 | dc_ | mallum: what's the exact method you used? |
| 11:22.38 | mallum | dc_: you turn it off/on at the battery and then hold down ok/power - the menu pops up ? right ? |
| 11:23.33 | mallum | dc_: select 4th items on that, then cf, then wait approx 5-10mins |
| 11:24.35 | dc_ | hah |
| 11:24.40 | dc_ | mallum: right, I didn't know that. |
| 11:25.00 | mallum | dc_: you've got the menu up yeah with the 4 jap entrys ? |
| 11:25.06 | dc_ | mallum: I was trying the C+D button method for the old zaurus on the faq |
| 11:25.12 | dc_ | mallum: kergoth left. |
| 11:25.21 | dc_ | mallum: I think it's flashing now. |
| 11:25.32 | florian | mallum: great... let's do this: |
| 11:25.39 | dc_ | mallum: I selected the 4th option, then CF, then okay (Y) |
| 11:25.59 | mallum | dc_: yeah, I wondered where you'd found instructions for the c700 falsh its totally different to th 5500 |
| 11:26.16 | mallum | dc_: yep, and you put updater.sh on the cf card right ? |
| 11:26.29 | dc_ | ah no. |
| 11:26.29 | dc_ | heh |
| 11:26.37 | mallum | ~lart dc |
| 11:26.50 | dc_ | mallum: where is it to be found? |
| 11:27.09 | florian | assuming we have only one orking gtk theme for the ipaq we could link /usr/share/themes/<matchbox-theme>/gtk-2.0 to /usr/share/themes/Angelistic/gtk-2.0 |
| 11:27.36 | mallum | dc_: not sure, I think kergoth said he put one on OZ site in c700 dir ? |
| 11:28.06 | mallum | florian: yep |
| 11:28.08 | florian | this solves the problem that the default gtk theme breaks many apps in gpe |
| 11:28.26 | mallum | florian: Ideally we need a gpe-themes package |
| 11:28.59 | dc_ | mallum: where might that be? |
| 11:29.04 | florian | mallum: yep, exactly... |
| 11:29.21 | florian | cool - gpe-calendar runs with bluebox theme :-)) |
| 11:29.41 | mallum | dc_: http://www.google.com/search?q=c700+updater.sh ? |
| 11:30.28 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.10915.png |
| 11:31.22 | mallum | florian: cool, is that the latest vera ? |
| 11:31.57 | PaxAnima | the gtk themes in GPE should use some of the space squeezing stuff I have in the gtkrc for psCalc2 to make more space |
| 11:32.01 | florian | mallum: nope, but this is a good hint - nils wanted to saft me this package :-) |
| 11:32.21 | pb_ | PaxAnima: please file bug reports for that |
| 11:32.58 | PaxAnima | pb_: under what? |
| 11:33.05 | pb_ | against the theme, presumably. |
| 11:33.06 | mallum | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unk6/transluxent/ |
| 11:33.55 | mallum | florian: check http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/mbcrystal-0.4.tar.bz2 and make ipkg it for a 'full' theme package |
| 11:35.33 | PaxAnima | pb_: "the theme"; it's more of a general hint for all the gtk themes |
| 11:35.49 | florian | mallum: ok - i'll look at it |
| 11:36.14 | dc_ | coool |
| 11:36.20 | florian | mallum: oh, it is not really small |
| 11:36.45 | mallum | florian: yeah thats cos of all the icons in it :\ |
| 11:37.27 | PaxAnima | pb_: hint = tip |
| 11:37.39 | pb_ | PaxAnima: we only ship one theme at present. |
| 11:37.40 | florian | mallum: is it finished? |
| 11:38.03 | PaxAnima | mallum: transluxent looks cool... |
| 11:38.45 | PaxAnima | pb_: ok.. I'll file it against gtk-theme-gpe |
| 11:39.32 | PaxAnima | hmm.. I'll file it when I get back home tomorrow.. |
| 11:40.43 | BluefoxIcy | did I miss something? |
| 11:43.46 | pb_ | PaxAnima: ok, great. gtk2-theme-angelistic would be the most appropriate package to file against. gtk-theme-gpe is for gtk 1. |
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| 11:56.04 | mallum | florian: hmm, its ab out 70% done- it needs alot of the uneeded icons removing |
| 11:57.20 | florian | mallum: ok |
| 12:03.23 | mallum | dc__: how did your flashing go ? |
| 12:03.53 | dc__ | still looking for updater.sh :\ |
| 12:05.19 | mallum | dc__: should be in this -> http://more.sbc.co.jp/sl_j/source/b500/20030124/linux-c700-b500-20021214-rom1_00.tar.bz2 |
| 12:06.09 | dc__ | great. |
| 12:06.11 | dc__ | mmm...speed. |
| 12:06.21 | dc__ | heh suck, only 10kB/s |
| 12:07.46 | spung | pb_: i'm quite disorganized, i find it so much easier to have a bug report and fix that :) |
| 12:07.56 | spung | florian: want to file some bug reports too? :) |
| 12:08.03 | pb_ | spung: yeah, me too. |
| 12:08.32 | spung | pb_: when i think of two things to do i end up doing nothing |
| 12:08.52 | pb_ | spung: I would say, though, that it's good practice not to mark a bug RESOLVED until the fixed package is in the feed and people can use it. |
| 12:09.07 | spung | pb_: oh, right |
| 12:09.34 | spung | pb_: didn't know there was a difference between fixed and resolvedf |
| 12:09.47 | spung | pb_: i'm going to try and build my own package |
| 12:10.52 | pb_ | I tend to leave reports as ASSIGNED during the "fixed in cvs, waiting for new package" stage. |
| 12:11.25 | spung | ok, i'll do that in the future |
| 12:12.44 | spung | pb_: make -f Makefile.gpe APPS="" should only build the libs right? |
| 12:12.57 | pb_ | yeah |
| 12:13.01 | spung | that's cool |
| 12:13.35 | spung | @ WARNING: POSSIBLE DNS SPOOFING DETECTED! @ |
| 12:13.41 | spung | The RSA host key for ipaq1.handhelds.org has changed, |
| 12:13.58 | spung | anyone know anything about this? |
| 12:42.02 | florian | spung: what for? |
| 12:42.13 | spung | florian: gpe-today stuff :) |
| 12:42.59 | florian | spung: ok |
| 12:44.03 | florian | spung: i killed it... :-) |
| 12:44.14 | spung | florian: rotation? |
| 12:44.52 | florian | spung: noe, xkbd :-) |
| 12:45.04 | spung | florian: oh :\ |
| 12:45.39 | pb_ | probably the same bug. xkbd would cause gpe-today to resize as well. |
| 12:46.35 | spung | pb_: i don't think the rotation thing is the same thing as resizing |
| 12:46.48 | mallum | dc__: how you getting on ? |
| 12:47.01 | pb_ | spung: oh. what's the rotation thing, then? |
| 12:47.59 | spung | pb_: what i think that happens in rotation is that i ask librootimage say a 100x200 image when the rootimage is a 200x100 librootimage seems to put random data in the missing part of the image and the app crashes when gtk tries to access that? |
| 12:48.39 | pb_ | spung: shouldn't cause a crash, but it sounds like bad form to ask librootimage for a size that is outside the bounds of the root window. |
| 12:49.39 | spung | pb_: i just ask for an image the size of the window.. what happens to the root window when there's a resize? |
| 12:49.48 | spung | s/resize/rotation |
| 12:50.06 | pb_ | spung: the root window size changes. |
| 12:50.38 | spung | pb_: why does a part of gpe-today's background become black then? :D |
| 12:50.42 | spung | s/:D/:\ |
| 12:51.02 | pb_ | spung: I have no idea. |
| 12:51.20 | spung | black sometimes weird colors |
| 12:51.31 | spung | well off to debugging i goo |
| 12:51.32 | pb_ | Cajai1tu |
| 12:51.43 | pb_ | oops |
| 12:51.50 | pb_ | memo to self: don't type root password in irc window |
| 12:52.04 | spung | mem to pb_: don't tell people it's a password |
| 12:52.20 | pb_ | spung: also a good idea |
| 12:52.43 | florian | :-) |
| 12:52.56 | spung | honest people here, anwyay ;) |
| 12:53.04 | spung | >:-) |
| 12:54.18 | pb_ | that's good. |
| 12:55.19 | mallum | password |
| 12:55.25 | mallum | doh! Im doing it too now ;-) |
| 12:57.15 | spung | ******** |
| 12:57.22 | spung | oh my good, it's an epidemy |
| 12:57.33 | florian | mallum: to use gconf we'd need to adapt gpe-confd, or not? in that case we should better wait with this until we finished V1.0 |
| 12:57.37 | florian | lol |
| 12:58.40 | mallum | florian: yeah would make sense for after 1.0 |
| 12:59.22 | florian | mallum: i think it would be an approach together with this dbus stuff :-) |
| 13:01.03 | florian | did i say something about my opininion about bugzilla? ;_ |
| 13:01.03 | mallum | florian: sounds good |
| 13:02.03 | mallum | florian: be careful with that ... its not really the gnome way |
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| 13:02.37 | mccarthy | nelson: thanks |
| 13:02.47 | mccarthy | pb_: yes. alarms were not working. |
| 13:03.00 | pb_ | mccarthy: ok. what was the problem? |
| 13:03.08 | mccarthy | I "fixed" libschedule and nelson zapped the new one into 0.7 so they will work now |
| 13:03.33 | mccarthy | pb_: well there were two things that were different about libschedule as opposed to the original implementation in event-ui |
| 13:03.51 | mccarthy | I dont know which one fixed it (hence the quotes) but in the interest of speed, I simply changed both |
| 13:04.01 | pb_ | ah. |
| 13:04.15 | pb_ | okay, well, if it works now, that's cool. |
| 13:04.17 | mccarthy | the rm command did not come last in the script in libschedule (although it did in event-ui) |
| 13:04.35 | mccarthy | and the DISPLAY command did not have an "export" in front of it in libschedule |
| 13:04.57 | pb_ | right. I guess the DISPLAY one is more likely to be the culprit. |
| 13:05.24 | mccarthy | pb_: thats what I thought too (since I sucessfully run the scripts manually) |
| 13:05.35 | mccarthy | pb_: but it didnt hurt to move the other one too |
| 13:05.44 | pb_ | okay. thanks for fixing it, anyway. |
| 13:05.56 | pb_ | I should try to make gpe-clock use libschedule as well. |
| 13:06.07 | mccarthy | I simply added a "condensorplate" that goes on the end (thats a little distillation column joke, as this would be the opposite of boilerplate) |
| 13:06.09 | dc__ | :D |
| 13:06.22 | spung | florian: did you report the bug? |
| 13:06.30 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah, a chemical engineering gag I suppose :-) |
| 13:06.38 | mccarthy | pb_: yep ;) |
| 13:07.12 | mccarthy | is anyone else having trouble waking from suspend (by hitting the on/off button)? |
| 13:07.15 | spung | pb_: ah, maybe GetRootPixmap() gets it before the size changes but CutWinPixmap() already tries to get a differnt size? is that possible? |
| 13:07.30 | dc__ | mallum: heh, you sure it was in that tarball? |
| 13:07.36 | pb_ | spung: dunno. I wouldn't have thought so, since all this is triggered off the ConfigureNotify presumably. |
| 13:07.38 | mccarthy | I recently have to try several times to get it to work |
| 13:07.38 | dc__ | du -a |
| 13:07.39 | dc__ | heh |
| 13:07.45 | pb_ | mccarthy: hm, I haven't seen that. |
| 13:08.01 | florian | spung: yep |
| 13:08.16 | spung | pb_: right |
| 13:08.20 | spung | florian: thanks |
| 13:12.44 | pb_ | florian: apropos #762, can you try the code in cvs and see if the same thing happens? |
| 13:15.32 | florian | pb_: yep, think so - if i manage to compile it :-) |
| 13:15.47 | mallum | dc__: yeah should be - why was in it ? |
| 13:16.02 | dc__ | it defently isn't |
| 13:16.30 | mallum | dc__: hmm, is kergoth up ? |
| 13:16.43 | dc__ | not yet :/ |
| 13:16.48 | florian | against what i should report a bug in familiar networking stuff? |
| 13:18.14 | florian | maybe we should try to collect remaining bugs for gpe 1.0.... |
| 13:20.03 | pb_ | florian: if in doubt, file against familiar-base |
| 13:20.09 | mccarthy | we keep mentioning this gpe 1.0 thingie....is there any timeline? (BTW, I am pretty happy with gpe-calendar right now....except that it is too slow, but feature-wise it is ready) |
| 13:20.10 | pb_ | or just familiar |
| 13:20.35 | florian | pb_: ok, that's the case :-) |
| 13:21.49 | pb_ | mccarthy: I've been operating on the assumption that the code shipped with Familiar 0.7 will basically be labelled "1.0". |
| 13:22.15 | mccarthy | pb_: ok. then I guess I dont have time to fix the speed issues... |
| 13:22.22 | pb_ | Or possibly "2.0", since we call it "gpe2". |
| 13:22.40 | spung | pb_: i hate big version numbers |
| 13:22.49 | pb_ | spung: "2" is not a very big number. |
| 13:22.52 | spung | i should call it 0.2 |
| 13:22.54 | spung | :) |
| 13:23.00 | spung | we |
| 13:23.07 | mccarthy | BTW, i still dont know if the speed issues are gtk2 rendering or eventdb work |
| 13:23.20 | pb_ | mccarthy: indeed, someone should run profiling. |
| 13:23.35 | spung | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. |
| 13:23.35 | spung | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/luis/cvs/gpe/base/gpe-bootsplash' |
| 13:23.35 | spung | make: *** [clean] Error 2 |
| 13:23.45 | mccarthy | pb_: :-p I have *tried* profiling! |
| 13:24.23 | pb_ | incidentally, there is a "Making GNOME Faster" talk scheduled at GUADEC, which might be interesting. |
| 13:24.41 | pb_ | spung: oops. |
| 13:25.28 | mccarthy | pb_: maybe we should have dc__ make us a splashscreen to distract the user ;) (Do we have the little hourglas thingie pop-up when switching views?) |
| 13:27.39 | pb_ | mccarthy: nope, hourglass isn't shown at the moment. |
| 13:28.02 | dc__ | yay! |
| 13:28.06 | dc__ | like the c700 :D |
| 13:28.10 | dc__ | hehe |
| 13:28.33 | pb_ | dc__: :-) |
| 13:28.52 | spung | dc__: rumour has it you were ruining it :) |
| 13:29.03 | dc__ | wha? |
| 13:30.10 | dc__ | mallum: http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700/ |
| 13:30.11 | dc__ | hah! |
| 13:32.19 | spung | hmm, gpeclockface.c is not building? |
| 13:32.58 | spung | gpeclockface.c: In function `draw_hand': |
| 13:32.58 | spung | gpeclockface.c:71: `XPointDouble' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 13:32.59 | mccarthy | dc__: what is the c700? (and why is it running opie?) |
| 13:33.22 | nelson | has anybody else tried ttf-bitstream-vera_1.10-fam2_all.ipk yet? |
| 13:33.34 | pb_ | spung: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/gpe/current/1722.html |
| 13:33.52 | spung | pb_: yeah, my mail is b0rked :( |
| 13:33.54 | mccarthy | nelson: I didnt know there was one. Cool! |
| 13:34.17 | dc__ | mccarthy: http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/sharp-c700-review.html |
| 13:34.21 | mccarthy | nelson: why is it broken? |
| 13:34.25 | dc__ | mallum: yay! |
| 13:34.28 | nelson | there's something funny going on with the faces. If you run gpe-fileman, when you click on a file, the face changes from sans to serif. |
| 13:34.33 | dc__ | mallum: it's reflashing!! |
| 13:34.49 | dc__ | mmm..I love how cute the terminal is on the c700 |
| 13:34.52 | nelson | Obviously, though, dc__ only meant for it to switch from plain to bold. |
| 13:35.13 | pb_ | nelson: yes, sounds like fontconfig is not finding a bold version of the sans font for some reason. |
| 13:35.30 | dc__ | nelson: that's mibus and pb_ teritory. |
| 13:35.33 | dc__ | heh! |
| 13:35.37 | dc__ | reminds me.. |
| 13:35.41 | nelson | yes? |
| 13:35.58 | dc__ | pb_: tonight, past 10pm, you must! i repeat must, make me work and finish gpe-filemanager! |
| 13:36.00 | pb_ | dc__: You could stop the boldifying by setting the iconlist "embolden" flag to false, which I think looks better anyway. |
| 13:36.04 | nelson | pb_: and yet I installed all the faces. |
| 13:36.07 | pb_ | dc__: okay, I will make that my mission. |
| 13:36.17 | dc__ | pb_: do please, I need to finish it. |
| 13:36.39 | nelson | dc__: we will all virtually beat you until it is completed. |
| 13:37.03 | pb_ | nelson: okay, I will try that in a few minutes and see if I have the same experience. Did you uninstall all the other fonts? |
| 13:37.22 | florian | dc__: nelson never makes jokes ;-) |
| 13:37.23 | dc__ | nelson: great! |
| 13:37.57 | pb_ | nelson: and should I change the gpe-collateral task to depend on ttf-bitstream-vera rather than luxittf? |
| 13:38.20 | dc__ | woww.. |
| 13:38.21 | dc__ | login |
| 13:38.58 | dc__ | hum |
| 13:39.01 | spung | pb_: ok, that means i can't build gpe-today on the ipaq cluster.. could you build a new gpe-today, sorry (i already changed the version number) also, the .desktop you generated seems not to be UTF-8 again |
| 13:39.28 | pb_ | spung: is your clean target removing the old .desktop files? |
| 13:39.28 | mallum | dc__: root , no password |
| 13:39.31 | dc__ | mallum: how do I remove the sharp logo screen |
| 13:39.46 | mallum | dc__: ?? |
| 13:39.51 | dc__ | mallum: I only get one line of terminal |
| 13:39.59 | pb_ | spung: all I do is type "fakeroot make ipkg". it's up to your makefiles to do the right thing, really. |
| 13:40.17 | mallum | dc__: wierd, never seen that before |
| 13:40.23 | mallum | dc__: can you actually log in ? |
| 13:40.24 | spung | pb_: i though you said the Makefile.translation should clean that? |
| 13:40.29 | dc__ | mallum: yes. |
| 13:40.32 | dc__ | mallum: I get # |
| 13:40.38 | dc__ | mallum: but only one line of # |
| 13:40.39 | pb_ | spung: don't think so. |
| 13:40.48 | spung | wait a sec then |
| 13:40.52 | mallum | dc__: does /etc/init.d/nullxdm start work ? |
| 13:40.53 | dc__ | mallum: the white SHARP screen doesn't go away or anything |
| 13:40.57 | pb_ | spung: Makefile.translation doesn't know whether your .desktop is generated or not. |
| 13:41.10 | mccarthy | pb_: when you say uninstall other fonts do you mean xfonts-ttf and luxittf? |
| 13:41.14 | pb_ | mccarthy: yes |
| 13:41.23 | mccarthy | cause gpe-login didnt work anymore when I did that... |
| 13:41.28 | pb_ | ah. |
| 13:41.31 | dc__ | mallum: um, it did something. |
| 13:41.32 | mccarthy | installing xfonts-ttf made it work again |
| 13:41.36 | dc__ | mallum: but I can't see it |
| 13:41.40 | pb_ | mccarthy: did you get an error? |
| 13:41.51 | mccarthy | pb_: where would that happen. the console? |
| 13:41.55 | mallum | dc__: :\ |
| 13:42.07 | dc__ | mallum: X is to start X? |
| 13:42.11 | spung | pb_: ok i commited a change to delete .desktop.in.h, i think that's what was missing |
| 13:42.22 | pb_ | spung: seems unlikely, that file isn't really used for anything. |
| 13:42.35 | pb_ | spung: do "make clean" and check that your .desktop file is removed. |
| 13:42.52 | pb_ | mccarthy: yeah, you may need to run gpe-dm -n or gpe-login by hand to see it. |
| 13:42.58 | mallum | dc__: can you check /usr/X11R6 is is both you PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 13:43.24 | dc__ | ack, I just put in the buffalo card...and the kb has stopped. |
| 13:44.04 | mallum | dc__: Theres something up with the console, where it locks the machine under certain combos of keys |
| 13:44.05 | spung | pb_: man, $ make clean-po |
| 13:44.06 | spung | rm -rf po/*.mo gpe-today.desktop.in.h |
| 13:44.15 | mallum | dc__: its fine in X though |
| 13:44.19 | spung | or did i change my makefile.translation? |
| 13:44.20 | mccarthy | pb_: hmmm. now it works without xfonts-ttf...? |
| 13:44.28 | mallum | dc__: reboot it with the card already inserted |
| 13:45.57 | mccarthy | ack |
| 13:46.17 | mccarthy | mbdesktop is *ugly* with the new fonts! |
| 13:46.48 | mallum | mccarthy: or the new fonts are ugly at small point sizes - arg HERASSY !!! |
| 13:46.56 | mallum | BURN HIM ! |
| 13:47.26 | dc__ | mallum: this is strange. |
| 13:47.46 | mallum | dc__: what is ? |
| 13:48.05 | dc__ | mallum: this strange sharp logoness |
| 13:48.20 | mallum | dc__: you'll have to ask kergoth about that |
| 13:48.33 | mallum | dc__: do you have a shell again ? |
| 13:48.50 | dc__ | lets see. |
| 13:49.33 | mallum | dc__: dont start typing on it, or its likely to lock up again |
| 13:49.42 | mallum | dc__: if you want to poke around, ssh into it |
| 13:49.50 | spung | i see the c700 rocks :) |
| 13:49.56 | dc__ | I think the wifi card wants to find an AP first |
| 13:50.24 | mallum | dc__: can you check if X11R6 is in your path ? |
| 13:50.51 | mallum | dc__: if you can get X up - its safer from rxvt to configure your card |
| 13:51.38 | *** join/#gpe dc___ (~dc@modem-151-54-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 13:51.56 | dc___ | heh, it don't like my buffalo |
| 13:52.30 | pb_ | spung: yes, makefile.translation deletes the .in.h. |
| 13:52.58 | pb_ | spung: but that file is (still) not the one that needs to be removed. |
| 13:53.16 | spung | pb_: $ make clean |
| 13:53.27 | spung | rm -f ... gpe-today.desktop .. |
| 13:53.29 | dc___ | mallum: usbnet won't even statup. |
| 13:53.34 | spung | yeah, it deletes it |
| 13:53.43 | dc___ | mallum: well, I don't know how to make it active on the c70 |
| 13:54.03 | pb_ | spung: ok. in that case, I think you need to debug this utf-8 problem yourself. |
| 13:54.07 | spung | pb_: maybe you didn't run make clean before fakeroot make ipkg |
| 13:54.14 | pb_ | spung: make ipkg runs make clean as its first action. |
| 13:54.18 | spung | oh |
| 13:54.31 | spung | pb_: well, could you build a new ipkg anyway? |
| 13:54.53 | dc___ | mallum: how do I start x? |
| 13:54.54 | pb_ | spung: is there any point building a new ipk before the problem is fixed? |
| 13:55.06 | pb_ | spung: but yeah, I can do that if you want. |
| 13:55.10 | spung | pb_: i think i fixed the resize thing |
| 13:55.33 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 13:56.26 | mallum | dc__: check x11r6 is in your path for the 3rd time |
| 13:56.52 | dc___ | mallum: I can't, but I've put it in my path |
| 13:57.02 | mallum | dc__: doh |
| 13:57.06 | dc___ | :} |
| 13:57.28 | mallum | dc__: put /usr/X11R6/lib into LD_LIBRARY_PATH too |
| 13:57.34 | dc___ | done |
| 13:57.51 | mallum | dc__: ok now /etc/init.d/nullxdm start |
| 13:58.26 | dc___ | mallum: it does some output I can't see, sleeps for about a second, then give me back my # |
| 13:59.34 | mallum | dc__: try xserver-tinyx-fbdev & |
| 13:59.52 | dc___ | ack. |
| 13:59.54 | dc___ | doens't word. |
| 14:00.03 | dc___ | work. |
| 14:00.03 | dc___ | :/ |
| 14:01.15 | mallum | dc___: what happens ? |
| 14:01.43 | dc___ | mallum: it just flashes past a line of output and gives me back my # |
| 14:02.06 | dc___ | mallum: is it possible for you to dump your current c700 installation into an initrd.bin? |
| 14:03.50 | dc___ | hang. brb. |
| 14:05.02 | mallum | dc___: not that I know of ... be better to figure out whats wrong with this image |
| 14:05.15 | dc___ | mallum: okay. |
| 14:05.27 | mallum | dc___: what happens if you 'chvt 2' ? |
| 14:05.37 | dc___ | mallum: maybe give it a test on your c700 ;} |
| 14:05.44 | dc___ | mallum: just ' |
| 14:06.07 | dc___ | mallum: just # |
| 14:06.28 | dc___ | mallum: I can also get my buildroot going if I can work out how to make bk use a proxy sever. |
| 14:07.00 | florian | i cleaned up the bugs wiki and started collecting bugs for 1.0 |
| 14:07.01 | florian | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentBugsInCVS |
| 14:07.28 | pb_ | florian: cool |
| 14:08.07 | pb_ | spung: ok, 0.05 is uploaded |
| 14:08.13 | spung | pb_: many thanks |
| 14:08.13 | mallum | dc___: what happens if you run just 'Xfbdev' ? |
| 14:08.48 | pb_ | ah, where does xkbd get its font name from? |
| 14:10.18 | mccarthy | mallum: what was the un-uglify solution that you and jg were discussing yesturday? |
| 14:10.24 | pb_ | nelson: I see the same effect with gpe-filemanager that you do. mbdesktop and xkbd are also using serif, so it looks like a general problem with bold fonts. |
| 14:11.10 | mallum | mccarthy: up icon & vera font size |
| 14:11.18 | mccarthy | mallum: how? |
| 14:11.34 | *** join/#gpe dc_ (~dc@modem-151-54-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 14:11.42 | dc_ | heh |
| 14:12.36 | mallum | mccarthy: cp /usr/bin/mbstart to ~/.mbstart , open and edit , add --font vera-8 --icon 36 to mbdesktop line, log in/out |
| 14:12.50 | dc_ | mallum: Xfbdev doesn't work either |
| 14:15.07 | mallum | dc_: doh |
| 14:15.33 | *** join/#gpe jg (~jg@dhcp-r25.crl.dec.com) |
| 14:15.50 | mccarthy | jg: did you get matchbox running with bigger fonts? |
| 14:15.50 | spung | i wonder why http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=gpe-today&official=&format= says gpe-today has a "/usr/share/pscalc/gtkrc" !? |
| 14:15.59 | mccarthy | mallum: it is hanging... :( |
| 14:16.17 | mallum | mccarthy: what is ? |
| 14:16.27 | mccarthy | .mbstart (I think) |
| 14:16.31 | pb_ | spung: hah, that's strange. |
| 14:16.46 | mallum | mccarthy: ok rm that and just edit mbstart directly |
| 14:16.49 | mccarthy | when I try to run mbdesktop by hand, I get Failed to open folder directory : /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders |
| 14:16.56 | mccarthy | mallum: ok |
| 14:17.14 | mallum | mccarthy: you probably didn't remove the check in mbstart where it checks for .mbstart .... |
| 14:17.32 | mccarthy | mallum: yep. you are right |
| 14:17.58 | mallum | mccarthy: hehe, I kind of assumed you know enough shell to notice that and remove it ;-) |
| 14:18.16 | mccarthy | mallum: :p |
| 14:18.24 | mccarthy | mallum: I didnt even look |
| 14:19.33 | mallum | mccarthy: hehe |
| 14:19.35 | mccarthy | mallum: its "iconsize" not icon |
| 14:19.46 | *** join/#gpe paul_ ([KZ6ywdaLt@hibernia.jakma.org) |
| 14:19.55 | mallum | mccarthy: ah oops, |
| 14:20.06 | mccarthy | mallum: where did gpe-calendar go?! |
| 14:20.13 | nelson | pb_: another thing I'd like to see in Dillo is to have the font sizes get small again. Looks good with vera. |
| 14:20.35 | mallum | dc_: you should hunt down kergoth and ask him about your sharp logo |
| 14:20.46 | pb_ | nelson: ok, I think that can be arranged. |
| 14:20.58 | mccarthy | mallum: several of my desktop icons disappear with the iconsize thing :( |
| 14:22.16 | paul | afternoon... |
| 14:22.29 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 14:22.38 | paul | are there known problems with rmk6-pxa1-hh10? (particularly pcmcia and usbnet?) |
| 14:23.22 | mallum | mccarthy: yes scrolling is a little broke, which is a bug made more apparent by icreasing the font / icon size |
| 14:23.28 | mccarthy | mallum: is there a way to make xkbd (in the gpe-login) look nicer? |
| 14:23.37 | mallum | mccarthy: you should still be able to access them using the dpad |
| 14:24.13 | mccarthy | mallum: ok |
| 14:25.23 | mccarthy | mallum: BTW, mbdesktop actually looks ok with vera-7 (it was that horrible bold that was bad) |
| 14:25.49 | mallum | mccarthy: ah ok, that sounds like a better solution - can you scap it ? |
| 14:26.04 | mccarthy | 1 sec |
| 14:26.34 | mccarthy | (ipkg install scap) |
| 14:27.06 | florian | i still made a scap with mbdesktop/veras-7 :-) |
| 14:27.29 | mccarthy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4992.png |
| 14:27.33 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.29956.png |
| 14:27.34 | florian | :-) |
| 14:27.50 | mccarthy | the horrible bold is at: |
| 14:27.58 | mccarthy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6602.png |
| 14:28.27 | florian | mallum: look - all the monobuts are not repainted... |
| 14:28.30 | PaxAnima | mallum: do you know of any xlib channels? want some help and pointers on xlib |
| 14:28.31 | mallum | oh dear ... |
| 14:28.53 | mallum | florian: yes I know about monobut ... |
| 14:29.06 | mallum | PaxAnima: google groups is your best bet for xlib probs |
| 14:29.08 | florian | mallum: i know that you know :-) |
| 14:29.15 | florian | mallum: bugzilla?! |
| 14:29.44 | mallum | florian: yeah good idea |
| 14:30.20 | PaxAnima | mallum: ok.. do you know of any easy ways of drawing an image stored in memory? the data is stored as an array as { r,g,b,r,g,b,r,g,b ... } |
| 14:30.50 | mallum | PaxAnima: check the source of mbpixbuf.c |
| 14:31.05 | PaxAnima | mallum: thanks |
| 14:33.05 | florian | mallum: where is monobut in bugzilla? |
| 14:33.32 | pb_ | florian: under x for xmonobut, probably |
| 14:34.32 | florian | pb_: thanks - that's it |
| 14:36.34 | florian | mallum: it's in |
| 14:37.35 | mallum | florian: coolio |
| 14:39.44 | florian | is it possible to tell the system not to antialias fonts smaller than xy? |
| 14:40.54 | mallum | florian: I think you can do it in /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 14:42.12 | mallum | dc_: any joy ? |
| 14:42.28 | dc_ | mallum: does the image work on your c700? |
| 14:42.59 | mallum | dc_: dont know havn't tried it |
| 14:43.04 | dc_ | ah |
| 14:43.05 | dc_ | heh |
| 14:43.14 | dc_ | I guess I should try and get bk working with my proxt. |
| 14:43.16 | dc_ | proxy. |
| 14:43.42 | pb_ | florian: did you make any headway with those authentication changes for usqld? |
| 14:43.46 | mallum | dc_: I built an image a while back I've been using |
| 14:43.59 | dc_ | mallum: wanna upload that? |
| 14:44.07 | mallum | dc_: dont have it anymore :( |
| 14:44.12 | dc_ | doh |
| 14:44.13 | dc_ | hehe |
| 14:44.18 | dc_ | n/m then |
| 14:44.26 | dc_ | I'll just....have to survive. |
| 14:44.28 | florian | mallum: this file doesn't exist here - what should i do into it? |
| 14:44.59 | mallum | florian: I would check the docs on fontconfig.org |
| 14:45.33 | florian | pb_: not yet - but i'll try to start this as soon as possible |
| 14:45.34 | mallum | dc_: kergoth may well know whats up with the console |
| 14:45.41 | florian | mallum: ok, thanks |
| 14:45.51 | dc_ | mallum: indeed. |
| 14:45.58 | dc_ | mallum: well, I'll ask him when he arrives |
| 14:46.00 | mallum | florian: I dont know it well enough to explain my self |
| 14:46.14 | mallum | dc_: it took me ages to even get a image that booted ;-) |
| 14:46.44 | dc_ | mallum: well, I hope you can help me one that ;) |
| 14:47.05 | pb_ | florian: ok, thanks |
| 14:47.57 | mallum | dc_: your best bet is go grab OZ buildroot ( as I've been telling you for the last month or so ), so you can produce your own images |
| 14:48.07 | mallum | dc_: oh and hassle kergoth alot ;-) |
| 14:48.28 | dc_ | mallum: yep! just found the proxy setting for bk |
| 14:48.36 | dc_ | so I'm just about to check out the latest. |
| 14:49.18 | florian | mallum: googled an example :-) |
| 14:51.49 | nelson | jg: did you see this: <pb_> nelson: I see the same effect with gpe-filemanager that you do. mbdesktop and xkbd are also using serif, so it looks like a general problem with bold fonts. |
| 14:52.26 | nelson | jg: it looks like the sans-serif bold font isn't being found, so fontconfig switches to serif. |
| 14:54.47 | dc_ | mallum: do you have a copy of the buildroot bk you can tar up and upload? |
| 14:54.53 | dc_ | mallum: my sat sucks at burst. |
| 14:55.02 | dc_ | and so it's going at about 3kb/d |
| 14:55.04 | dc_ | s |
| 14:55.59 | dc_ | mallum: n/m |
| 14:56.09 | dc_ | speeded up now... |
| 14:56.51 | florian | bbl |
| 14:58.58 | mallum | dc_: make sure you have a lot of diskspace free too btw |
| 14:59.07 | dc_ | mallum: how much is alot? |
| 14:59.55 | mallum | dc_: oh yeah thats fine |
| 15:00.02 | mallum | dc_: this is on x86 too right ? |
| 15:00.18 | dc_ | yes |
| 15:00.35 | dc_ | I've got the cross tarball mentioned in the faq aswell |
| 15:02.09 | mallum | dc_: yeah you need *both* cross compilers |
| 15:02.26 | mallum | dc_: 2.9.54 for the kernel, 3.2 for eveerything else |
| 15:12.18 | PaxAnima | mallum: looked at your code... I'll try it when I get home... (I have code for bilinear scaling, if you want it) |
| 15:12.36 | mallum | dc_: you didn't name the zimage correctly |
| 15:12.54 | mallum | dc_: reflash with zimage named to zimage.bin |
| 15:13.02 | mallum | dc_: all should be better |
| 15:14.01 | dc_ | mallum: ha! |
| 15:15.13 | dc_ | I really should have ordered a cf reader :} |
| 15:15.33 | spung | any Xpert want to help me duplicate an X Pixmap ? |
| 15:16.08 | dc_ | hehe |
| 15:16.17 | spung | jg: don't be shy :) |
| 15:16.32 | dc_ | ah ha! |
| 15:16.38 | dc_ | kergoth awakens! |
| 15:16.43 | mallum | PaxAnima: cool, not too bothered about bilinear stuff, if you want hack on it , a jpeg loader would be cool :-) |
| 15:17.02 | mallum | spung: man XCopyPixmap |
| 15:17.12 | spung | mallum: great :) |
| 15:17.43 | BluefoxIcy | I fell asleep for like one hour |
| 15:17.43 | spung | mallum: actually, No manual entry for XCopyPixmap |
| 15:18.14 | BluefoxIcy | and then had morning wood, and had to pee, and it was too f**king cold in my room all of the sudden to actually deal with any of it |
| 15:18.16 | PaxAnima | mallum: I'm using libjpeg for my image library... you could have a look at it... |
| 15:18.32 | BluefoxIcy | so I stayed there for like 3 hours |
| 15:18.44 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeha I just have to link against that but get the data into my MBPixbufImage format |
| 15:19.05 | mallum | spung: sorry XCopyArea |
| 15:19.54 | spung | mallum: XCopyArea doesn't create a new one does it? i have to create a new pixmap first right? |
| 15:20.25 | mallum | yeah XCreatePixmap |
| 15:21.00 | spung | mallum: how do I get info about a pixmap (like height, width, etc..) this Xlib reference i have sucks |
| 15:21.12 | mallum | XGetGeometry |
| 15:25.08 | mallum | dc_: better ? |
| 15:25.59 | dc_ | mallum: well, I need to work out how to access my cf card first. |
| 15:26.00 | PaxAnima | mallum: how is the data stored? |
| 15:27.09 | mallum | PaxAnima: in a rgba char* in a MBPixbufImage struct |
| 15:27.37 | dc_ | it seems my iPAQ has lost /dev/hda |
| 15:27.54 | mallum | PaxAnima: see the xpm and png loader code at the top of mbpixbuf.c |
| 15:29.00 | dc_ | what modules need to be loaded for /dev/hda to be alive? |
| 15:29.30 | pb_ | ide-cs and the pcmcia drivers. |
| 15:29.55 | pb_ | check logread/dmesg for clues. |
| 15:30.53 | dc_ | hrm |
| 15:30.55 | dc_ | lost interrupt |
| 15:31.03 | dc_ | hda: lost interrupt |
| 15:31.06 | dc_ | lets try reboot :} |
| 15:32.52 | spung | mallum: does XGetGeometry(GDK_DISPLAY(), my_pixmap, NULL, NULL, NULL, &w, &h, NULL, NULL); make sense? |
| 15:34.47 | jg | nelson: No, I hadn't seen that.... |
| 15:37.03 | mccarthy | I think I have de-float-ified xpdf-1.01 |
| 15:37.08 | pb_ | mccarthy: rock. |
| 15:37.10 | mccarthy | I am going to build it now on the ipaqs |
| 15:37.32 | mccarthy | I would (of course) rather have a gtk front-end but that is too hard for my simple brain |
| 15:37.33 | mallum | spung: avoid the NULLs, it will segv - just put dummy vars in |
| 15:37.34 | PaxAnima | mallum: when it comes to libjpeg: the source tar.gz has a brilliant example.c file.... I used that for my image loading routine... |
| 15:37.44 | mallum | PaxAnima: okey |
| 15:37.48 | spung | mallum: right |
| 15:37.55 | spung | that sucks |
| 15:38.04 | mallum | yeah stupid xlib |
| 15:38.14 | mccarthy | pb_: it isnt all that big an accomplishment since I stole most of it from qpdf |
| 15:38.28 | mallum | if (*wanted_val) *wanted_val = xxx |
| 15:38.37 | mccarthy | but I might try xpdf-2.02 at some point |
| 15:38.44 | pb_ | mallum: code bloat! |
| 15:38.46 | spung | mallum: if (wanted_val) :) |
| 15:38.52 | mallum | spung: yeah I know |
| 15:39.02 | mallum | stupid pointers, I learning java |
| 15:39.07 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah, you should have kept quiet and let people think you were 1337 floating point h4x0r. |
| 15:39.07 | spung | mallum: lol |
| 15:39.32 | mccarthy | pb_: I amso much not a h4x0r that I have not idea what that means ;) |
| 15:39.43 | spung | mallum: i'm learning java too :( |
| 15:39.44 | mallum | pb_: it leads to more code bloat in xlib using aplications, as they have to declare vars they ont even want to use :( |
| 15:40.39 | mccarthy | ack |
| 15:40.47 | mccarthy | it built fine on my x86 box! |
| 15:40.54 | mccarthy | parseargs.c: In function `GBool isInt(char *)': |
| 15:40.54 | mccarthy | parseargs.c:154: implicit declaration of function `int isdigit(...)' |
| 15:40.59 | mccarthy | what the smack does that mean |
| 15:41.05 | pb_ | mccarthy: #include <ctype.h> |
| 15:41.42 | mccarthy | pb_: thanks. all better |
| 15:42.01 | dc_ | hrm |
| 15:42.09 | dc_ | it seems I have all the modules loaded.... |
| 15:42.12 | mccarthy | why did this xpdf guy build his own widget set?! |
| 15:42.25 | dc_ | ew....uncreconized sleeve vendor=0x0000 |
| 15:42.29 | dc_ | that's not right is it. |
| 15:43.00 | mccarthy | once this is built, how do I check what libs it depends on? |
| 15:43.02 | pb_ | dc_: certainly not |
| 15:43.05 | mccarthy | ldd or something? |
| 15:43.06 | pb_ | mccarthy: ldd |
| 15:43.31 | dc_ | hah! |
| 15:43.53 | dc_ | pb_: I just gave to sleeve ports a blow |
| 15:44.01 | dc_ | and it's reconized now. |
| 15:44.13 | dc_ | how lame can hardware be |
| 15:44.51 | nelson | jg: I followed your instructions on gnome.org/fonts, and put local.conf into /etc/fonts/vera.conf, and the fonts into the long X11 font path. |
| 15:45.59 | jg | Ok, mbdesktop is screwing up by default, me thinks. |
| 15:46.19 | jg | mbdesktop --font sans-8 --iconsize 36 looks quite nice to me... |
| 15:46.33 | mccarthy | jg: you dont like --font vera-7? |
| 15:46.55 | jg | mccarthy: vera isn't the font's name. |
| 15:47.04 | mccarthy | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4992.png |
| 15:47.07 | jg | mccarthy: sans is an alias that resolves to vera sans.... |
| 15:47.22 | mccarthy | jg: ok, but I mean the 7 looks nice to me |
| 15:47.34 | mccarthy | (see my scap) |
| 15:47.37 | pb_ | dc_: hah. |
| 15:47.58 | pb_ | jg: the problem seems to occur when an application requests a bold font. |
| 15:48.28 | jg | mccarthy: sans-7 is ok, but too small IMHO. Also, some text runs together if you try to get 5 icons across.... |
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| 15:49.02 | mallum | jg: but then the scrolling bug is more apparent |
| 15:49.46 | pb_ | jg: try '--font sans-8:bold'; that gives me 8-point bold, but in a serif face. But '--font "bitstream vera sans-8:bold"' appears to work as expected. |
| 15:49.53 | spung | what's the "Drawable d" in XCreatePixmap?? |
| 15:50.14 | mallum | spung: just stick the root window in there |
| 15:50.32 | jg | pb_: might be a fontconfig bug. What happens if you say: xfd -fa sans-7:style=bold |
| 15:50.45 | pb_ | jg: ah, don't have xfd on the ipaq. |
| 15:50.50 | spung | mallum: how do i do that? |
| 15:50.57 | dc_ | oh shit... |
| 15:51.04 | pb_ | jg: let me see if I can locate a binary somewhere. |
| 15:51.04 | dc_ | bad gpe-edit |
| 15:51.05 | dc_ | bad... |
| 15:51.13 | mallum | spung: GDK_ROOTWINDOW() ? |
| 15:51.13 | pb_ | dc_: what happened? |
| 15:51.19 | spung | mallum: gracias |
| 15:52.02 | dc_ | there was no space left on my iPAQ, and I was editing /etc/fstab |
| 15:52.02 | dc_ | so gpe-edit only saved half! |
| 15:52.02 | dc_ | heh...maybe not.. |
| 15:52.13 | jg | pb_: hmmm.... I get a serif font in mbdesktop, and I get correctness on xfd on my desktop (the sans-bold). |
| 15:52.28 | jg | pb_: smells like a fontconfig problem.... |
| 15:52.28 | dc_ | pb_: well, something has defently been currupted in my /etc/fstab file |
| 15:53.00 | dc_ | or... |
| 15:53.02 | dc_ | it could just be vi |
| 15:53.22 | pb_ | jg: ok, let me install xfd on the ipaq. |
| 15:53.25 | pb_ | crumbs, it needs libxaw7. |
| 15:53.34 | pb_ | dc_: oh dear |
| 15:53.53 | mallum | jg: with latest fontconfig and freetype on c700, vera bold stuff is fine |
| 15:54.07 | jg | sans bold? |
| 15:54.58 | jg | mallum: what vintage is your fontconfig? |
| 15:55.12 | mallum | jg: 2.1.94 |
| 15:55.23 | mallum | jg: 2.1.4 freetype |
| 15:55.25 | dc_ | hrm oaky.. |
| 15:55.27 | dc_ | fixed that... |
| 15:55.28 | dc_ | now. |
| 15:56.11 | jg | mallum: whend did you pull your 2.1.94? |
| 15:56.47 | mallum | this morning |
| 15:57.01 | pb_ | jg: oh, my xfd doesn't understand "-fa". I guess it's too old. |
| 15:57.13 | jg | mallum: good... |
| 15:58.17 | mccarthy | xpdf-1.01 is 752k |
| 15:58.50 | mccarthy | and depends on libXpm, libSM, libICE, libX11, libstdc++, libm, libc, libdl |
| 15:59.02 | mccarthy | is libstdc++ the only one that isnt normally on an ipaq? |
| 15:59.11 | mccarthy | (a GPE ipaq) |
| 16:00.19 | pb_ | probably. I'm not sure why libSM and libICE are getting involved there. Those might be spurious. |
| 16:00.41 | jg | pb_, mccarthy: I recommend going with that version of fontconfig (mallum's 2.1.94). That should be effectively 2.2. And the local.conf file should no longer be necessary, as vera should be in that /etc/fonts/fonts.conf file. |
| 16:01.11 | mccarthy | jg: cool. are you going to package up a new fontconfig or should pb do it ;) |
| 16:02.12 | pb_ | if mallum already has it packaged, we should probably be able to just drop his ipk into unstable. |
| 16:03.06 | mccarthy | speaking of fonts.... |
| 16:03.14 | mccarthy | I am trying out xpdf on my ipaq |
| 16:03.40 | mccarthy | and it yells incesently (sp?) about Failed to open font: helvetica and times |
| 16:03.47 | mccarthy | and then displays nothing |
| 16:04.04 | mccarthy | any ideas? |
| 16:04.54 | mccarthy | (I think -- looking back at the full message -- that it is an LTK error.... so I need to figure how to tell LTK what font to use) |
| 16:05.38 | jg | mccarthy: pb or mallum should go ahead. I've been busy messing with the fonts themselves.... |
| 16:05.55 | dc_ | arg... |
| 16:06.04 | dc_ | the sleeve won't be reconized at all now |
| 16:06.44 | pb_ | :-( |
| 16:07.00 | mccarthy | pb_: any ideas how to fix my font issues with xpdf? |
| 16:07.22 | pb_ | mccarthy: no, sorry |
| 16:08.07 | dc_ | arg |
| 16:08.12 | dc_ | one of the pins is puches in! |
| 16:08.13 | pb_ | mallum: is your current fontconfig ipk available on the web? |
| 16:08.14 | mccarthy | is Dimension an X type? |
| 16:08.30 | pb_ | dc_: oh dear, which connector is that on? |
| 16:08.32 | mallum | pb_: useual place hh.org/~mallum/xpkgs |
| 16:08.51 | pb_ | mallum: thanks |
| 16:08.54 | dc_ | pb_: sleeve, I'm just getting my torx 6 out |
| 16:09.07 | pb_ | dc_: right |
| 16:09.17 | mccarthy | mallum: is Dimension an X type? |
| 16:09.18 | spung | hurray |
| 16:09.28 | pb_ | dc_: at least it's not the ipaq main unit |
| 16:09.35 | spung | i seem to have fixed the resize bug this time |
| 16:09.52 | dc_ | pb_: indeed. |
| 16:09.56 | dc_ | well I hope it isn't |
| 16:11.52 | mccarthy | ok looks like Dimension *is* an X type, but what actually *is* it? a long? |
| 16:13.27 | mccarthy | or an Xm type |
| 16:15.05 | pb_ | hm, installing that fontconfig doesn't seem to have made any difference. |
| 16:16.53 | dc_ | argggg |
| 16:17.02 | pb_ | dc_: ! |
| 16:20.27 | dc_ | ibot lart dc |
| 16:20.34 | dc_ | that's right... |
| 16:26.08 | dc_ | I am officialy buggered. |
| 16:27.00 | dc_ | mallum: I'm assuming I can access some functions on that image...that's broken. |
| 16:27.10 | dc_ | mallum: i.e. mount the cf and rename the file? |
| 16:27.13 | spung | pb_: why is GetRootDimensions() declared static in librootimage? sounds like a nice function to me :) |
| 16:27.40 | mallum | dc_: yeah that' probably work |
| 16:27.57 | dc_ | or, there is a _very_ last resort after that |
| 16:29.00 | dc_ | hrm |
| 16:29.07 | dc_ | doesn't seem to be working |
| 16:32.05 | dc_ | mallum: on the image can you do a mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf and does it work |
| 16:34.35 | pb_ | dc_: is your sleeve beyond repair? |
| 16:34.37 | spung | mallum: is there some sort of event for when root pixmap changes? and does mbdesktop change the rootpixmap? |
| 16:34.52 | dc_ | pb_: yes. |
| 16:34.59 | dc_ | pb_: one of the pins in totaly mangled. |
| 16:35.03 | pb_ | dc_: hell! |
| 16:35.05 | dc_ | I'm onto plan Z |
| 16:35.18 | dc_ | steal my dad's phone that has an MMC card. |
| 16:35.21 | dc_ | and use that. |
| 16:35.25 | dc_ | cunning eh? |
| 16:35.30 | pb_ | hah, ingenious. |
| 16:35.42 | dc_ | brb |
| 16:37.15 | mccarthy | damn |
| 16:37.32 | mccarthy | I cant get that xpdf to work on the ipaq (the same thing works fine on the x86) |
| 16:42.12 | dc_ | okay. |
| 16:42.17 | dc_ | one 32Mb MMC card :} |
| 16:42.34 | dc_ | how coooool |
| 16:42.44 | mallum | dc_: the cf card should just get mounted |
| 16:43.25 | dc_ | wow, the c700 can really shoot the MMC card out fast. |
| 16:43.32 | dc_ | lost is half way accross my rroom! |
| 16:43.45 | pb_ | hah |
| 16:48.36 | mccarthy | ok. de-float-ified xpdf-2.02 now... |
| 16:48.45 | mccarthy | pb_: this one was a little more novel ;) |
| 16:48.50 | pb_ | mccarthy: :-) |
| 16:50.55 | spung | pb_: does xsettings provide some kind of event mechanism, like i want to know when the desktop image changes |
| 16:51.09 | pb_ | spung: yes. check gpe-calendar/xsettings.c for example |
| 16:53.02 | mccarthy | pb_: I think it will be pretty trivial to de-float-ify the gpdf code now too (since it is based on xpdf-2.02) |
| 16:53.02 | spung | pb_: well, i think i'm getting rid of the getting the rootpixmap thing, since mbdesktop doesn't use it either, although i fixed it now |
| 16:53.33 | mccarthy | pb_: so now I need one of you good coders to "convert" the gpdf display stuff to pure gtk2 |
| 16:53.59 | spung | pb_: a frontend for changing gpe-today's settings would be part of gpe-conf? |
| 16:54.24 | pb_ | spung: I don't think it would make sense to integrate it into gpe-conf itself, but it could certainly appear in "Settings" and have a similar UI to gpe-conf. |
| 16:54.49 | spung | pb_: right, a different app in any case |
| 16:55.10 | pb_ | spung: yeah |
| 17:07.25 | mccarthy | pb_: Stream.cc:584: implicit declaration of function `int ftello(...)'? |
| 17:08.34 | pb_ | include <stdio.h> I suppose. |
| 17:10.22 | mccarthy | pb_: hmmm thats already included.... (grep -r...) |
| 17:10.45 | pb_ | ah. hm. |
| 17:10.50 | pb_ | dunno then. |
| 17:11.14 | mccarthy | (BTW, it is in stdio on my x86 box. on the ipaq stdio has # define ftello ftello64) |
| 17:16.44 | pb_ | jg, nelson, mccarthy: I still haven't managed to make bold fonts work properly on my ipaq. Has anybody else had any luck with that? |
| 17:17.01 | pb_ | (I installed fontconfig, freetype and xft from mallum's repository.) |
| 17:18.58 | mccarthy | pb_: been messing with xpdf instead (so no idea) |
| 17:20.31 | pb_ | aha! |
| 17:20.41 | mccarthy | pb_: what do you think this means: |
| 17:20.42 | pb_ | if I copy local.conf from the Vera distribution into /etc/fonts, it seems to work. |
| 17:20.45 | mccarthy | XOutputDev.cc:360: warning: cannot pass objects of type `fixed<10>' through `...'? |
| 17:21.04 | pb_ | nelson's ipk ships that file as vera.conf, but apparently that name is not good enough for fontconfig. |
| 17:21.16 | spung | mccarthy: good luck on the pdf thing :) i really could use a pdf viewer :) |
| 17:21.44 | pb_ | mccarthy: dunno, I am not really the man for C++ issues. |
| 17:21.55 | pb_ | mccarthy: try asking in #opie |
| 17:22.13 | spung | is xpdf written in c++ ? |
| 17:22.24 | mccarthy | spung: yep |
| 17:22.31 | spung | :\ |
| 17:22.56 | mccarthy | pb_: could I fix that helvetica issue with a proper fonts.conf? |
| 17:23.09 | pb_ | mccarthy: no idea. |
| 17:23.41 | mccarthy | pb_: did you over-write the existing fonts.conf or append it? |
| 17:24.03 | pb_ | mccarthy: I didn't do anything to the existing fonts.conf, I just moved local.conf into position alongside it. |
| 17:24.12 | mccarthy | oh. |
| 17:24.20 | mccarthy | I need to actually *read* what you write |
| 17:24.30 | mccarthy | I replaced (mentally) local.conf with fonts.conf |
| 17:24.37 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:26.39 | mccarthy | libXm?! |
| 17:26.47 | pb_ | ! |
| 17:27.05 | mccarthy | there is no ipkg :( |
| 17:27.47 | mccarthy | oops |
| 17:27.53 | mccarthy | thats motif, huh |
| 17:29.43 | mccarthy | weird that the xpdf guy would move to motif and the binary is still no smaller :( |
| 17:30.00 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 17:30.16 | pb_ | maybe he's linking statically with motif. |
| 17:30.53 | mccarthy | pb_: then why would it yell about libXm on the ipaq? |
| 17:31.06 | pb_ | mccarthy: oh, it wouldn't. obviously not that then. |
| 17:31.17 | mccarthy | I gues xpdf2 is just *that much better* than xpdf1 ;) |
| 17:31.21 | pb_ | :-) |
| 17:31.50 | mccarthy | damn. |
| 17:31.58 | mccarthy | I dont have room to test this thing anymore |
| 17:32.30 | mccarthy | well, maybe I will put /tmp in my ld.so.conf :) |
| 17:33.03 | mccarthy | damn |
| 17:33.09 | mccarthy | it needs libXt as well. |
| 17:33.18 | mccarthy | (we really need to write a gtk frontend) |
| 17:33.22 | mccarthy | if this actually works, that is |
| 17:39.03 | pb_ | right. |
| 17:41.15 | mccarthy | yeah! |
| 17:41.16 | mccarthy | it works |
| 17:42.19 | mccarthy | there is no *way* it will be used with all this motif bloat though |
| 17:44.35 | nelson | frig. |
| 17:45.12 | nelson | jg, pb_: renaming vera.conf to local.conf fixes the bold sans problem. |
| 17:46.56 | dc_ | right |
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| 17:50.39 | mccarthy | dc_: care to build a gtk front-end for xpdf?! |
| 17:51.04 | dc_ | yah! |
| 17:51.10 | dc_ | mccarthy: I wouldn't mind. |
| 17:51.23 | dc_ | mccarthy: it'd have to be sometime next week though |
| 17:51.56 | mccarthy | dc_: I will have a working gnome version of xpdf (without floats so it works nicely on the ipaq) in a bit |
| 17:52.12 | mccarthy | dc_: You can start form there....sound good? |
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| 17:59.57 | mccarthy | pb_: dc__ has agreed to try to gtk-ify the gpdf (that I am working on now)...or was that dc_ who agreed?! ;) |
| 18:00.59 | pb_ | mccarthy: great! |
| 18:01.12 | pb_ | mccarthy: we'll let dc_ and dc__ fight it out between themselves. |
| 18:02.15 | mccarthy | ack |
| 18:02.21 | mccarthy | GPOutputDev.cc:623: cannot convert `fouble*' to `const gdouble*' for argument ` |
| 18:02.21 | mccarthy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:04.57 | mccarthy | shouldnt that be a warning (that I can then ignore?)? |
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| 18:08.13 | pb_ | no, a "cannot convert" would be fatal. |
| 18:08.36 | pb_ | C++ is a lot stricter about types than C. |
| 18:09.00 | mccarthy | pb_: well it was all printing stuff anyway, so I simply erased it :) |
| 18:09.11 | pb_ | sounds like the right answer. |
| 18:09.53 | mccarthy | damn |
| 18:10.07 | mccarthy | that are a few get_scroll_regions that seem important but get the same errors :( |
| 18:10.22 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 18:10.25 | pb_ | what's a "fouble*" anyway? |
| 18:10.41 | mccarthy | pb_: its some weird almost float that uses ints |
| 18:10.51 | mccarthy | I dont really get it |
| 18:10.57 | mccarthy | I stole that part from sandman |
| 18:11.00 | nelson | ttf-bitstream-vera_1.10-fam3_all.ipk is in unstable and v0.7 |
| 18:11.01 | pb_ | ah. do you have functions to convert between foubles and doubles? |
| 18:11.16 | mccarthy | pb_: one way double->fouble |
| 18:11.18 | pb_ | nelson: great. let me try it right away. |
| 18:11.47 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah. |
| 18:15.16 | pb_ | nelson: that one seems to be working well. |
| 18:15.36 | pb_ | I'm back on the familiar versions of fontconfig, freetype and xft now. |
| 18:16.21 | mallum | pb_: btw, did your utf8 rxvt work with them packages ? |
| 18:16.32 | pb_ | dunno, I didn't try it. |
| 18:17.16 | pb_ | I can give it a go though. When I said "I'm back on the familiar versions", what I actually meant was that I'm now using a different ipaq to the one where I installed your packages. |
| 18:17.32 | mallum | just displays blank text for me - everything else seems ok though |
| 18:18.07 | pb_ | oh, that problem again. |
| 18:18.09 | mallum | pb_: cool, I wouldn't worry about it too much - I dont entirely trust what happens installing fam packages with oz ones |
| 18:20.33 | mallum | pub time bbl |
| 18:22.44 | mccarthy | pb_: wow! the gpdf is 110k (as opposed to 793k + all kinds of ugly libs) |
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| 18:23.03 | cmarqu | Woohoo. |
| 18:23.07 | cmarqu | Hi all |
| 18:23.26 | florian_ | hi all |
| 18:23.59 | pb_ | hi cmarqu |
| 18:24.10 | pb_ | hi florian_ |
| 18:24.18 | cmarqu | mccarthy: This is an integerized g(nome)pdf? |
| 18:24.20 | pb_ | mccarthy: w00t |
| 18:24.28 | mccarthy | cmarqu: yep |
| 18:24.39 | cmarqu | Cool. |
| 18:24.42 | mccarthy | cmarqu: but we, of course, cannot use the gnome one straight up |
| 18:24.48 | mccarthy | (too many gnomelibs needed) |
| 18:24.58 | cmarqu | Yeah, of course, but still. |
| 18:25.12 | mccarthy | but I suppose that most of the drawing stuff is gtklibs, which we of course already have |
| 18:25.43 | mccarthy | so I guess that gtkpdf or gpe-pdf (althoug it *is* c++) will be reasonable in size |
| 18:25.55 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 18:26.12 | pb_ | I don't have a big problem with C++ in GPE. I think that kind of thing is inevitable sooner or later. |
| 18:26.16 | dc__ | that sounds coolk |
| 18:26.24 | pb_ | oops. |
| 18:26.28 | dc__ | pb_: with gpe-dasher and all |
| 18:26.36 | pb_ | dc__: right, that's just what I was thinking. |
| 18:27.10 | mccarthy | actually, other than gnomecanvas, maybe there arent that many gnome-ish libs (bonobo and ORBit) |
| 18:27.28 | pb_ | mccarthy: you may be able to just cut out all the orbit/bonobo stuff. |
| 18:27.44 | pb_ | mccarthy: it's probably there for embedding gpdf into other apps, which we aren't directly interested in at present. |
| 18:27.52 | mccarthy | you mean dc__ might be able too :) |
| 18:28.07 | pb_ | oh yes. |
| 18:28.13 | pb_ | cmarqu: yah, could well be. |
| 18:29.21 | cmarqu | pb_: gpe-nmf could afford quite big (thus finger-friendly) buttons if we merged Stop and Pause into one button. |
| 18:29.36 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 18:29.50 | cmarqu | rhytmbox has them merged IIRC, so we would not be the first ones to do it |
| 18:32.31 | dc__ | mccarthy: oh, I can't wait! |
| 18:34.01 | mccarthy | dc__: I mearcilessly hacked out anything from the display stuff that was causing "conversion" problems (from fouble to some gdouble usually) |
| 18:34.08 | florian_ | cmarqu: i think nils is short before creating a larger multimedia player |
| 18:34.14 | mccarthy | it should be obvious though since it will be routines that do nothing |
| 18:35.08 | cmarqu | florian_: One that will do video as well? People will ask for that once they have everything else. |
| 18:35.33 | mccarthy | I liked the old famplayer |
| 18:35.35 | pb_ | Yeah. Maybe we can share some of the gst-player code. |
| 18:36.05 | cmarqu | florian_: Anyway, you might suggest that to him (the +/- buttons) for gpe-mixer, maybe as an alternative. |
| 18:42.40 | florian_ | cmarqu: configruatable via xsettings :-) |
| 18:42.49 | cmarqu | Yep :) |
| 18:46.02 | dc__ | ack |
| 18:46.12 | mccarthy | pb_ dc__: test building the floatless gpdf on ipaqs now |
| 18:46.24 | dc__ | have to do out |
| 18:46.24 | dc__ | pb_: there goes the gpe-filemanager plan |
| 18:46.24 | dc__ | heh |
| 18:46.33 | cmarqu | Gotta go. TTY tomorrow. |
| 18:46.34 | dc__ | mccarthy: right, talk tomrorow. |
| 18:46.38 | pb_ | dc__: heh |
| 18:46.42 | mccarthy | dc__: ok |
| 18:47.22 | mccarthy | oops |
| 18:47.38 | mccarthy | cant build it on the ipaqs because of gnome-ish libs (forgot) |
| 18:47.46 | pb_ | doh |
| 18:47.52 | pb_ | you could ask admin@handhelds.org to install the libs. |
| 18:48.12 | mccarthy | pb_: just to test and then hack out the need for them later anyway? naw |
| 18:48.22 | mccarthy | I tested on my x86 box already anyway |
| 18:48.27 | pb_ | ah right |
| 18:51.26 | mccarthy | what is popt? |
| 18:51.58 | florian_ | a command line parser |
| 18:52.08 | mccarthy | oh ok. |
| 18:52.16 | mccarthy | as opposed to getopt (whic I usually use) |
| 19:04.52 | nelson | is this an opportune moment to create 0.7-rc1 ? Or should I wait for dc_ or dc__ or whoever he is? |
| 19:09.11 | florian_ | dc fixes gpe-filemgr? |
| 19:09.22 | nelson | yep |
| 19:10.09 | mccarthy | nelson: since it is an RC1 (not an R), I would say it is fine to let it go with 1 known issue since that issue is likely not to impact other issues |
| 19:10.52 | nelson | mccarthy: there's also dillo's resource expansion problem. |
| 19:11.05 | mccarthy | nelson: oh. didnt know about that one. who is working on it? |
| 19:16.09 | nelson | mccarthy: it's assigned to pb_. |
| 19:16.52 | pb_ | I think it would be worth spinning a new release now, even if we just call it pre11 rather than rc1. |
| 19:17.33 | pb_ | I will look at dillo either tonight or tomorrow, but I think there are still two or three other issues blocking bug 99. |
| 19:17.35 | mccarthy | btw, it looks like pre10 thinks that gpe-icons and goe-todo2 arent installed (although they are) |
| 19:18.40 | mccarthy | hmm, weirder than that....it knows it should upgrade them, but gets mad about existing packages |
| 19:18.59 | pb_ | I hadn't seen that. What does it actually say? |
| 19:19.59 | mccarthy | is does one of those But that file is already provided by package <no package> |
| 19:20.12 | pb_ | oh, that sounds like your package database is b0rked. |
| 19:20.21 | pb_ | you can get that if you abort an install at a bad time. |
| 19:20.40 | mccarthy | pb_: oh. maybe I did that... |
| 19:20.56 | mccarthy | pb_: any way to rebuild it? |
| 19:22.52 | nelson | argh. ipkg must be *really*, *really* careful not to b0rk things. |
| 19:23.15 | nelson | y'know, if ipkg was written in python, it wouldn't have half the problems it has now. |
| 19:23.52 | nelson | we really need to have a pypaq front-end, in addition to opie and gpe. |
| 19:24.10 | mccarthy | nelson sounds like a volunteer :) |
| 19:24.29 | florian_ | what about a "libipkg"? |
| 19:25.03 | pb_ | florian_: I think a libipkg is part of the plan for ipkg-ng. |
| 19:25.36 | mccarthy | did we recently update *loads* of gpe packages are am I reinstalling all the b0rked packages? |
| 19:25.49 | nelson | mccarthy: seven or eight. |
| 19:26.11 | pb_ | mccarthy: only way to rebuild the status file is to reinstall --force-overwrite the packages. |
| 19:26.15 | florian_ | yeah, this wouls be nice - i have some tasks for gpe-conf that _really_ need this! |
| 19:26.44 | florian_ | s/wouls/would |
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| 19:27.27 | pb_ | florian_: talk to TMM1 about it |
| 19:28.25 | florian_ | ibot: seen TMM1? |
| 19:28.25 | | tmm1 <~tmm1@68.27.115.17> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 1d 17h 38m 25s ago, saying: 'kergoth:'. |
| 19:28.52 | mccarthy | well it looks like ipkg might be fixing itself.... |
| 19:29.02 | mccarthy | it is reinstalling all kinds of packages (about 20 so far) |
| 19:29.30 | pb_ | florian_: TheMasterMind1 rather |
| 19:30.20 | pb_ | mccarthy: that's cool |
| 19:30.28 | florian_ | pb_: ah yes - i think i had insufficient sleep this week :-/ |
| 19:30.35 | TheMasterMind1 | florian_: ? |
| 19:32.04 | florian_ | TheMasterMind1: pb_ told me you are the person to talk with - about a ipkg library |
| 19:32.30 | TheMasterMind1 | florian_: ah, libipkg.. that won't be around for a while |
| 19:32.37 | TheMasterMind1 | ipkg needs a lot of work |
| 19:33.09 | florian_ | TheMasterMind1: hm yes - i know :-/ |
| 19:33.37 | florian_ | TheMasterMind1: i could really need this for more than one part of gpe-conf |
| 19:35.44 | florian_ | brb, dinner |
| 19:36.47 | BluefoxIcy | redhat's a bunch of thieves |
| 19:37.12 | BluefoxIcy | The picture on the front of the box looks *exactly* like Carmen Sandiego |
| 19:43.33 | mccarthy | nelson: what is the version on the new vera package? |
| 19:44.03 | pb_ | <nelson> ttf-bitstream-vera_1.10-fam3_all.ipk is in unstable and v0.7 |
| 19:44.44 | mccarthy | pb_: hmmm. my ipkg may be *really* hosed then |
| 19:45.51 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 19:47.42 | mccarthy | ipkg update; ipkg upgrade does not update to fam3 (leaves fam2) |
| 19:48.37 | pb_ | that does sound bad. |
| 19:53.36 | nelson | did you do the ipkg upgrade? |
| 19:53.44 | nelson | sorry, I mean update. |
| 19:55.06 | mccarthy | nelson: yup |
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| 20:08.45 | florian_ | re |
| 20:33.41 | mccarthy | nelson pb_: it works fine out of unstable, but I thought it was in v0.7 too |
| 20:35.15 | nelson | mccarthy: Yaaasssss, it seems not to be. Am currently engaged in other actions, will look soonest. |
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| 22:50.48 | florian | night all |
