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06:33.58florianmorning
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07:32.13florianPaxAnima: morning
07:33.14PaxAnimamorning, florian
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08:23.59florianmallum: hi mallum
08:24.35mallumhey florian
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09:09.57floriancmarqu_werk: hello
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09:14.27cmarqu_werkHi florian
09:14.28dc_ibookhmm
09:14.32cmarqu_werkHi dc_ibook
09:14.36dc_ibookhey...
09:14.41dc_ibookmallum: awake?
09:15.34florianhi dc_ibook
09:15.41dc_ibookhi florian
09:16.02dc_ibookthe power adapter it comes with is 100V only :|
09:16.20florianwe need to update our screenshots page...
09:17.02dc_ibookindeed..
09:17.03mallumdc_ibook: yep
09:17.16mallumdc_ibook: you can use a power supply from a 5500
09:17.26dc_ibookmallum: ah okay, so the plugs are the same.
09:17.40mallumdc_ibook: or just by one of them multi supply things from maplins, the connector looks fairly standard
09:18.04dc_ibookmallum: well, there are some pictures he took of the connector, and it's pretty large, like 8mm
09:18.18dc_ibookmallum: the iPAQ supply would work.
09:18.31dc_ibookmallum: but my multi-power adapter is only 300mA
09:18.43dc_ibookmallum: but my multi-power adapter is only 300mA
09:18.46dc_ibookheh
09:20.02dc_ibookI guess I'll need to shell out 50 pounds for a 5500 adapter
09:21.40dc_ibookhrm
09:21.50dc_ibookmaplin do have a 1200mA adapter.
09:21.58mallumdc_ibook: I think you need 5v / 1 amp. alternative you can cut the end off the jap power supply and connect it to an old usb cable and power it that way
09:22.02dc_ibookbut it doesn't do 5V only 4.5V
09:22.12dc_ibookmallum: I did think of that :}
09:22.25mallumI've done that too and it works
09:22.26dc_ibookmallum: but do you think usb will do me 1A
09:22.30dc_ibookmallum: ah cool.
09:22.59dc_ibookmallum: have you got a site with the pins I want?
09:23.22dc_ibookurl..
09:25.58mallumdc_ibook: the cables are colored, use the red and black ones :-)
09:26.40dc_ibook:)
09:27.01mallumyou could butcher an ipaq power supply, that'd probably work
09:27.17dc_ibooknahh, usb should be fine.
09:44.28florianthe current hh kernels seem to have a pcmcia problem... my ipaq died again when i inserted a cf card
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10:00.31pb_morning
10:00.58cianmorning
10:01.04florianmorning cian, pb_
10:02.28cianI'm trying to compile gpe-nmf on intimate, but am getting a library error, anyone know what version of libc it was compiled with, or how I would find this out?
10:04.53floriancian: have an error massage for me?
10:05.32cianwell 'ldd backend/libgpenmf.so' returns "ldd: backend/libgpenmf.so: No such file or directory"
10:06.18floriannow my ipaq needed two minutes to find out that the cf card has changed from wireless lan card to a microdrive :-/
10:06.34cianflorian: yikes!! why so long?
10:07.08cianand './gpe-nmf' returns : "./gpe-nmf: error while loading shared libraries: libgpenmf.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
10:07.40floriancian: this doesn't look like a libc problem. look at the backend dir what's up with this file
10:08.32floriancian: i have no idea, something with pcmcia is wrong - i had some other problems lately.
10:08.38cianwhoops, I should of course have done 'ldd libgpenmf.so.0', and that returns a bunch of lib dependencies that are fulfilled, but './gpe-nmf' is the problem
10:08.39pb_hi florian
10:09.27cianflorian:is cardmgr giving you anything useful?
10:10.21floriancian: no, not more than from gpe-conf
10:11.28florianmaybe it's a good idea to create a new package with all these pcmcia stuff...
10:11.30pb_cian: if you want to run an uninstalled copy of NMF you will need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
10:11.44cianflorian:can you through a few 'echo's into the scripts to see what's going on?
10:12.54floriancian: the status info comes from kernel via ioctl - so all scripts would be started later.
10:13.09florianah, now it's dead again :-(
10:14.11cianflorian: my condolonces for your loss :)
10:14.21floriancian: ;-)
10:14.55florianok, need to go... bbl
10:17.27cmarqu_werkhttp://handhelds.org/scap/port.9262.png - their red marks do look nice
10:18.50cianpb_: any idea why 'export  LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/root/gpe/base/gpe-nmf/base"' doesn't create a LD_LIBRARY_PATH env. variable? I had this problem before of not being able to create new env. variables.
10:19.22pb_cian: no idea
10:19.55cianpb_: my bad, down to my dodgy typing :)
10:20.05pb_heh
10:21.47cianOK, so have LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/root/gpe/base/gpe-nmf/base, but get same error from './gpe-nmf' : "./gpe-nmf: error while loading shared libraries: libgpenmf.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
10:21.58cianand have done 'ldconfig'
10:22.03pb_uh, it's /backend, not /base
10:22.37cianok, I'm officially a TWAT, that works, thank you very much for your help :)
10:22.44pb_any time :-)
10:28.09cmarqu_werkpb_: Do we have an existing bug report for that pixbuf-loader problem with JPEGs?
10:30.19pb_cmarqu_werk: I guess not.  I wasn't aware of any problem.
10:32.16cmarqu_werkOh, so should that problem of JPEG images not showing up in gpe-gallery be fixed? I thought I still needed to update the pixbuf-loaders file. Let me check if I have the loader installed even....
10:32.58pb_cmarqu_werk: I thought it was fixed, but I might well be wrong about that.
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10:35.11PaxAnimahi, mallum
10:35.15cmarqu_werkI don't have the JPEG loader installed, so that explains it.
10:35.28pb_ah.  I guess we should add it to gpe-apps, though.
10:35.35mallumhay PaxAnima, just battling with nickserv :/
10:35.45PaxAnima:/
10:36.24cmarqu_werkpb_: Yeah, seems to me like the right thing. 70k is not too much, and I guess users would expext JPEG support out of the box.
10:37.08pb_cmarqu_werk: Yes.  I suppose gpe-gallery should maybe be made to produce an alert if it tries to read an image file for which no loader is installed, as well.
10:37.38cmarqu_werkYep. Will file a bug.
10:41.04pb_Cool.
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13:11.09cianIs there a know issue with gpe-nmf where it plays but doesn't output audio?
13:12.14pb_What type of file are you attempting to play?
13:12.21cianmp3
13:12.29pb_There was a problem wit MP3 files which should be fixed in unstable now; you need the latest gst-plugins.
13:12.45cianright, can I ipkg those?
13:12.52pb_yeah.  ipkg install gst-plugins.
13:13.21pb_if you still have trouble, try playing a file by hand with gst-launch and see if that works.
13:13.33pb_gst-launch gnomevfssrc location="filename.mp3" ! spider ! esdsink
13:13.41pb_or try with mad instead of spider
13:15.08cianThank you again, worked from gst-launch :)
13:17.17pb_okay.  The pipeline with spider is pretty much the same thing that NMF does.  If it works with gst-launch but fails with NMF, that would be a bug in the latter.
13:17.37pb_If it fails with spider but works with mad, that would indicate a problem in your gst-plugins.
13:20.55cianyeah, looks like it works with spider and mad in pipes, but not with nmf
13:21.22pb_right.
13:21.41pb_if you run NMF from a terminal, do you get any debugging output when it tries to play one of these streams?
13:22.59cianyeah, hangon....
13:23.37cianINFO (  814: 0) Initializing GStreamer Core Library version 0.6.0
13:23.40cianINFO (  814: 0) CPU features: (00000000) NONE
13:23.45cianregistry: loaded user_registry in 0.001708 seconds
13:23.45cian<PROTECTED>
13:23.49cianregistry: loaded global_registry in 0.176760 seconds
13:23.49cian<PROTECTED>
13:23.54cianplayer 0x6cb40: play item 0xc7610 [/home//ari/.gpe/calendar]
13:23.54cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xcb6f8 state 1 -> 2
13:23.54cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xcb6f8 state 2 -> 4
13:23.54cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xcb6f8 state 4 -> 8
13:23.58cianERROR: sink_ident: Could not find media type
13:23.58cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xcb6f8 state 8 -> 4
13:23.58cianplayer 0x6cb40: Play finished.player 0x6cb40: Setting element state to NULL.play
13:23.58cianer 0x6cb40: elt 0xcb6f8 state 4 -> 2
13:24.00cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xcb6f8 state 2 -> 1
13:24.02cian(gpe-nmf:816): GStreamer-WARNING **: thread: state change in cllback 4 1
13:24.04cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xcb6f8 state 1 -> 2
13:24.06cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xcb6f8 state 2 -> 4
13:24.08cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xcb6f8 state 4 -> 8
13:24.27pb_hm.  is your .gpe/calendar really an mp3 file?
13:25.47ciansorry :) should be of course be test.mp3, with output:
13:25.54cianINFO (  818: 0) Initializing GStreamer Core Library version 0.6.0
13:25.54cianINFO (  818: 0) CPU features: (00000000) NONE
13:25.54cianregistry: loaded user_registry in 0.001712 seconds
13:25.54cian<PROTECTED>
13:25.54cianregistry: loaded global_registry in 0.177186 seconds
13:25.55cian<PROTECTED>
13:25.57cianplayer 0x6cb40: play item 0xa8118 [/home/cian/test.mp3]
13:25.59cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xafb20 state 1 -> 2
13:26.01cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xafb20 state 2 -> 4
13:26.03cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xafb20 state 4 -> 8
13:26.05cianERROR: sink_ident: Could not find media type
13:26.07cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xafb20 state 8 -> 4
13:26.09cianplayer 0x6cb40: Play finished.player 0x6cb40: Setting element state to NULL.play
13:26.13cianer 0x6cb40: elt 0xafb20 state 4 -> 2
13:26.15cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xafb20 state 2 -> 1
13:26.17cian(gpe-nmf:820): GStreamer-WARNING **: thread: state change in cllback 4 1
13:26.19cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xafb20 state 1 -> 2
13:26.21cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xafb20 state 2 -> 4
13:26.23cianplayer 0x6cb40: elt 0xafb20 state 4 -> 8
13:26.25cianmp3 problem?
13:26.27pb_ah, much the same.
13:26.38pb_is that the same registry that gst-launch is using, do you know?
13:26.59cianhang on and I'll check
13:27.37cianyeah, looks like it:
13:27.41cianregistry: loaded user_registry in 0.002439 seconds
13:27.41cian<PROTECTED>
13:27.41cianregistry: loaded global_registry in 0.166693 seconds
13:27.41cian<PROTECTED>
13:29.00pb_right.
13:30.02cianI'm using http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7/base/armv4l for ipkg, is that bleeding edge enough?
13:36.34cmarqu_werkcian: No, you need the unstable feed.
13:37.13cmarqu_werkhttp://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/
13:38.26cianright, I'll give that a shot
14:07.47ciancmarqu_werk: thanks very much, upgrading to gst-plugins version: 0.6-3 solved the problem, cheers again :)
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14:43.52florianhi all
14:44.17pb_hi florian
14:50.52cianhey florian
14:51.03cianany luck with your pcmcia problem?
14:54.30floriancian: not really, in the last three hours i used cf only to reflash this ipaq :-)
14:55.27cian:)
14:55.40cianthanks to various ppl got my gpe-nmf problems sorted out
14:56.02florianbut reflashing really works good ;-)
14:56.17cmarqu_werkflorian: I'll update the screenshots page soon,I have already been collecting scaps.
14:58.03floriancmarqu_werk: this is great, i created a screenshot with an overview of the current gpe-conf stuff... a few seconds before
15:08.45cmarqu_werkflorian: Ah, so you are 'hacker' :)
15:10.15mallumfeel free to use any on the mb site btw
15:15.56cmarqu_werkOkay. I'll have to think on how to structure them.
15:16.07cmarqu_werks/on/about/
15:18.12pb_I think "think on" is regarded as acceptable English usage.
15:24.34cmarqu_werkAha. Good to know.
15:32.08floriancmarqu_werk: yep, this it the user login for one of the kc 36xxs :-)
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15:34.10pb_heh
15:44.18cmarqu_werkBBL
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15:48.27cianquick question, gtk for gpe, can I use glade? Is all of gtk supported?
15:53.14mallumcian: yes
15:53.39pb_cian: yes, you can use glade.  yes, all of gtk is supported, though the libgtk in familiar has a few widgets removed (GtkList, GtkText, GtkListItem, GtkOldEditable).
16:08.05cmarquthe question to aks now is: is libglade supported?
16:10.02floriancmarqu: gpe-wlancfg is designed using glade... i don't think it needs libglade :-)
16:11.32cmarquflorian: Yeah, but the consensus was that we should try to use libglade, not generate code with it.
16:12.22cmarquThis would especially make sense for bigger displays.
16:20.46floriancmarqu: ah, ok
16:22.08cmarquflorian: BTW, if you see Fionn, can you ask him where he found those Vinegar Chips in Germany? I forgot...
16:22.25cmarquMy chips sink is requesting more... :)
16:23.21floriancmarqu: at the moment he is at #unixag, freenode.net
16:23.36cmarquAh. Will ask him :)
16:23.44florianok
16:36.37pb_cmarqu: there's no reason I'm aware of that libglade shouldn't work.  It may not be packaged, but that's easily solved.
16:37.54cmarquGood then. My question probably comes from the days of libxml1 or such.
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16:41.45chrisimejo theree
16:41.52chrisimepb_,  got an hp3870 now
16:41.57mallumwoohoo
16:41.59chrisimehow can i flash that damn thing
16:42.13mallum3870's are nice
16:42.14chrisimei musn't destroy it!!!
16:42.23chrisimeit's not mine
16:42.41chrisimemallum, those ipaqs are pretty shitty
16:42.42chrisimeIMHO
16:42.52chrisimei'd never buy one of those pda's
16:43.31florianthe 3870 is ok
16:43.33cianlibglade0 shows up on the ipkg search web site
16:44.06cmarquPubtime. Bye.
16:44.38chrisimeso. what do i need for it
16:44.38mallumchrisime: whats wrong with the 3870 ?
16:44.41chrisimei mean to flash it
16:44.51chrisimedo i need linux
16:44.57chrisimedoes it work with windows too?
16:45.15mallumiirc you need windows to do it easily anyway
16:45.23chrisimefine
16:45.25chrisimethat rocks
16:45.32chrisimei don't have a running linux on my athlon
16:45.37chrisimejust a win2k
16:46.04chrisimeis there a tutorial/doc how to flash it?
16:46.55mallumhaha windows bitch, windows bitch
16:46.57mallum;-)
16:47.11mallumthere are instruction off familiar.handhelds.org
16:47.30chrisimeyeah
16:47.40chrisimei'm checking the faq at handhelds.org atm
16:48.28mallumchrisime: whats so wrong with the 3870 ?
16:49.16chrisimelooks crappy
16:50.37chrisimehttp://www.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/bootldr/
16:50.43chrisimeshould i take the newest one?
16:50.49mallumchrisime: its a screen with a border , what do want more flashing lights ?
16:51.03mallumibot: bootloader
16:51.04See bootldr
16:51.09mallumibot: bootldr
16:51.10i heard bootldr is recommended, stable bootldr is 2.18.54, found at http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bootldr for cvsweb access; more info (options, etc.) can be found at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/bootldr.html
16:51.29mallum2.18.54 is recommended by ibot
16:51.42chrisimegood
16:51.47chrisimei'll taKE IT ;)
16:52.55chrisimenow i just need to know how to flash it
16:53.36chrisimeis 2.18.55 bad or why does it suggest .54
16:55.14chrisimeis familiar 0.7pre ok?
16:56.03mallumyes grab pre10 image for 3600
16:56.13pb_chrisime: ah, jolly good.
16:56.29chrisimemallum, i have 38xx
16:56.33chrisimenot 36xx
16:56.49chrisimepb_, so you'd suggest it
16:56.54pb_bootldr 2.19.71 is the recommendation.
16:57.05pb_and yes, use the h3600 image for 38xx units.
16:58.10chrisimewhy
16:58.18chrisimesorry fis there a reason
16:58.33pb_because that's the correct image.  the 3900 one will not boot; the 3100 one will work but is less efficient.
16:59.15chrisimehttp://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/install/bootgpe2-v0.7-pre10-h3600.jffs2
16:59.20chrisimeso this thing?
16:59.25mallumyep
16:59.26pb_yes, that's the one.
16:59.29chrisimebootgpe? or bootstrap
16:59.41pb_if you want to use gpe, the bootgpe2 image is best.
16:59.46chrisimekewl
16:59.46chrisimeok
16:59.52chrisimeso i'll download it
16:59.54chrisimeand then?
17:00.09chrisimei somehow need to put it on the pda
17:00.13pb_do you have a CF card/
17:00.14pb_?
17:00.44chrisimea what?
17:00.49chrisimecompactflash?
17:00.49pb_compact flash memory card
17:00.55chrisimeshould
17:00.58chrisimei have do ask my dad
17:00.59chrisimesecons
17:01.00chrisimesecond
17:01.14pb_you can either install from CF, or download the image over the serial line.
17:01.45mallumit takes approx 2 years to tranfer over serial
17:02.19mallumbut much faster with CF
17:02.32chrisimedamn
17:02.35chrisimei don't have one
17:02.54chrisime2 years?
17:03.02chrisimehow many hours?
17:03.06mallummaybe thats a slight exageration
17:03.15mallumaprrox an hour, maybe less
17:03.21chrisimethat's fine
17:03.23chrisimeok
17:03.25chrisimeso i start windows
17:03.27chrisimeand then?
17:03.39pb_basically just follow the instructions on the familiar web site.
17:03.44chrisimeok
17:03.54chrisimeso far i haven't found any
17:03.56pb_you need to use bootblaster to back up PocketPC, then copy those files into a safe place and install the bootldr.
17:04.19pb_http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.6.1/install/install.html is still mostly current.
17:04.44chrisimepb_, there's no pocket pc on that thing ;)
17:04.53chrisimei don't need to restore anything
17:05.00pb_chrisime: ah, it's running Linux already?
17:05.04chrisimeyes
17:05.10chrisimebut it's useless for me atm
17:05.22pb_okay.  in that case, it may already have the right bootloader.
17:05.23chrisimei somehow need to get rid of that whatever thing
17:05.29chrisimeit has
17:05.34pb_what version is installed?
17:05.39chrisimedunno
17:05.49chrisimei can't access a terminal
17:05.54pb_hold down the joypad, and press the reset button.
17:06.22chrisimek
17:06.24chrisimeand now
17:06.30pb_you should see the bootloader splash screen.
17:06.37chrisimenope
17:06.49chrisimethere's already some sort of a gui
17:06.58pb_did it restart when you pressed reset?
17:07.10chrisimesure
17:07.27chrisimei can select serial pcmcia and boot now
17:07.41pb_that sounds like the bootloader splash.
17:07.49chrisimeit's a secure os running on that device
17:07.55chrisimean os which is based on linux
17:08.01chrisimeand which is developed at my uni
17:08.04chrisimeyes
17:08.08chrisimea splash
17:08.14pb_does it have a version number?
17:08.19chrisime0.20
17:08.23chrisimeLucaOS
17:08.33pb_ah, ok, not the bootldr.
17:08.41pb_are you sure you held down the joypad while resetting?
17:08.50pb_if it's a really old bootldr, you might need to hold down the power switch instead.
17:09.34chrisimedoesn't help
17:09.46chrisimebut i can choose serial
17:10.21pb_ok.  well, choose serial and see what you can get out of it I suppose.
17:10.35chrisimethere's no background light
17:10.48chrisimewhat does itr mean when th blue light's blinking
17:10.55pb_bluetooth active, usually.
17:11.16chrisimei have a bluetooth handy
17:11.20chrisimemobile phone
17:11.29pb_cool
17:11.32chrisimehmmm
17:11.39chrisimeok lemme use the cradle
17:11.50chrisimewhen i now boot into windows
17:11.54chrisimewhat should i do?
17:12.16pb_just run hyperterminal or some other comms program.
17:12.23pb_it's not necessary to use windows, you can do it under Linux if you prefer.
17:12.35chrisimeoh it has a usb plug
17:12.47chrisimedoes it work?
17:12.53chrisimei could use my ibook
17:13.15pb_can't use usb with the bootldr, unfortunately.
17:13.20pb_usb will work in linux though.
17:13.27chrisimeit's in linux
17:14.18pb_I meant Familiar.  It might work with the version you have, but then again it might not.
17:14.36chrisimei'm better of with windows for now
17:18.19pb_ok
17:18.20chrisimepb_, ok
17:18.26chrisimerunning hyperterminal now
17:18.41pb_ok.  you probably want 115200 baud, 8 bits, no parity, no flow control
17:19.49chrisimeyo
17:20.17chrisimehmm
17:20.29chrisimeaaah
17:20.32chrisimei hit serial
17:20.35chrisimeand now i got
17:20.39chrisimeser_con
17:20.41chrisimeboot>
17:20.47chrisimeneat
17:20.48pb_ah, cool.  that's the bootloader.
17:20.50pb_try "ver"
17:20.52chrisimeneato
17:21.00chrisime21854
17:21.04chrisime2-18-54
17:21.14chrisimelast link date 10th march
17:21.30pb_okay.  that version should be mostly ok.  You could upgrade to 2.19.71, but may as well leave it alone for now.
17:21.39pb_did you download the .jffs2 file already?
17:21.39chrisimei will
17:21.41chrisimenope
17:21.44chrisimesecond
17:21.46pb_okay.  do that now.
17:21.51chrisimejo
17:23.29chrisimetakes some time to download...2.5 minutes
17:23.37pb_okay.
17:23.54pb_once you have the image, do "set ymodem 1" and "load root" in hyperterminal, then send that file with ymodem.
17:24.33chrisimeok
17:24.45chrisimesend..../me checks how to do that
17:26.58pb_I guess the file transfer should take about 30 minutes, maybe a little longer.
17:27.16chrisimehmmm
17:27.24chrisimetrying to send it noe
17:27.28pb_ok
17:28.07pb_when the transfer is complete, you should see various messages about erasing and programming in the hyperterminal window.
17:28.10chrisimehow do i send
17:28.13chrisimecrap thing
17:28.23pb_hm, just a minute, I'll have to fire up hyperterminal to check.
17:28.29chrisimeok
17:29.01pb_Transfer -> Send file
17:29.22chrisimeok
17:29.25chrisimefirst load root
17:29.42chrisimeprotoccol ymodem
17:29.46pb_yes
17:29.56chrisimeaah now
17:30.05chrisimei think there was a fucking timeout before
17:30.22chrisime24 minutes left
17:30.50pb_ok, cool
17:31.08chrisimei think i have to check for a zaurus
17:31.11chrisimeor a dell
17:31.14chrisimethey are cheaper
17:31.23pb_no linux support on Dell at present.
17:31.36pb_you can buy Zaurus SL-5500 quite cheaply though (about 300 EUR)
17:34.31chrisimeOMG that thing costs 600 euros
17:34.43chrisime^^ 3870
17:34.54chrisimepb_, yeah. the old one
17:35.01chrisimethe new one has a 400 mhz cpu?!
17:35.03pb_hm, you can buy a H5450 for about 700 euros.
17:35.16chrisimethe 3970 is cheaper than the 3870
17:35.30pb_chrisime: yes, h3900/h5400/sl-5600/sl-c700/many others are all 400MHz PXA.
17:35.34chrisimehttp://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/?cat=pdapc
17:37.13chrisimeit's interesting that the 39xx is cheaper
17:37.20chrisimebecause it has a better cpu
17:37.52pb_37xx/38xx have been discontinued for some time.
17:38.05pb_retailers with old stock often sell them at stupidly high prices.
17:38.08chrisime5450: 650 euros
17:38.28pb_that's not a bad price.
17:38.43chrisimeyo
17:38.58chrisimebut it isn't fully supported yet, is it?
17:39.05pb_not yet, but work is in progress.
17:39.15chrisimehttp://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/?a=32314
17:39.28pb_h1910 is also a cool unit, and very cheap, but not yet supported at all.
17:39.32chrisime345 euros
17:39.45chrisimewhat's so cool about it?
17:40.03pb_small size.
17:40.22chrisimeaaah
17:40.39pb_www.digiuk.com have SL-5500 for GBP179 (excluding VAT), which I guess is about 270 euros.
17:41.02chrisimehttp://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/?a=50512
17:41.11chrisimehmm
17:41.17chrisimethis one looks cool
17:41.20chrisimeand it's cheap too
17:41.28pb_yeah, that's the h1910 I mentioned a moment ago
17:41.53pb_only drawback is that the only expansion is SDIO; no jacket interface or CF.
17:42.02chrisimesdio == ?
17:42.40pb_small expansion cards.  about 15x25x2mm I guess.
17:42.47chrisimesd cards
17:42.51pb_right.
17:42.58pb_sdio is the I/O variant of sd.
17:43.19chrisimeaha
17:43.30pb_you can buy sdio wifi, bluetooth, etc.
17:44.19chrisime210 pounds
17:44.24chrisimefor the zaurus
17:44.25pb_The h1910 is nice because it's the only ipaq that's really small enough to carry in a shirt pocket comfortably.  So, if you want it mostly as a PDA type unit, it'd be ideal.
17:44.26chrisimehmm
17:44.49chrisimeshould just be supported :)
17:45.08pb_internally, it's like a cut-down h3900, so most of the code is already written.
17:45.21pb_there are a few differences though.
17:45.44chrisimewhich
17:46.10pb_main one is flash.  h3900 has 32 or 48MB of nor flash.  h1900 has a small nor flash and 16MB of NAND.
17:47.19pb_also, h1900 has no serial port, so usb support would be required in the bootloader.
17:47.19chrisime305 euros
17:47.19chrisimecheap
17:47.19chrisime210 --> 305
17:47.19pb_right
17:47.19chrisimepb_, uhm
17:47.52chrisimepb_, buy a zaurus for me and i'll transfer the money :)
17:48.20chrisimedoes the new one (5600) has bluetooth?
17:48.26pb_chrisime: I expect digi would happily ship to Germany or Austria or whereever you are.
17:48.42pb_don't think there is any bluetooth on h5600, but I'm not sure.  check with the dudes in #zaurus.
17:49.16pb_er, sl-5600 of course, not h5600
17:49.49chrisimehehe
17:50.01chrisime4 minutes left
17:50.31pb_cool
17:50.42chrisimewhat's openzaurus BTW?
17:50.51chrisimeanother familiar clone?
17:51.06pb_kind of, but with different focus.
17:51.20chrisimewhat is it
17:52.08pb_it's a distribution/OS for Zaurus (and now ipaq).
17:52.22pb_they have a single-tree build, and everything is crosscompiled.
17:53.08pb_the focus is more on embedded use and vertical markets (hence the name OpenEmbedded), whereas familiar is more geared towards making a general-purpose computer that just happens to be in a small form factor.
17:53.35chrisimeaha
17:53.58chrisimethose guys at #zaurus are dummies
17:54.05chrisimeaaaah
17:54.07pb_heh
17:54.07chrisimeerasing
17:54.09chrisimeblabla
17:54.12pb_great.
17:54.16chrisimeomg
17:54.22chrisimeit's erasing everything
17:54.24chrisime;)
17:54.45pb_heh
17:54.50chrisimethis will -- again -- take ages
17:54.57chrisimeat least looks like
17:54.59pb_it'll be a couple of minutes, yes.
17:55.22pb_patience is required :-)
17:55.36chrisimei c
17:55.44chrisimejerks at #zaurus
17:56.28pb_what's wrong with the guys in #zaurus?
17:58.32chrisimethey;re playing with their bots
17:58.36pb_ahh
17:58.36chrisimeaah
17:58.38chrisimedone
17:58.40chrisimewhat now?
17:58.47chrisimefomratting...done
17:58.54chrisimeboot>
17:59.04pb_type "boot"
17:59.43chrisimeomg
17:59.51chrisimefamiliar login
18:00.04pb_that was quick.
18:00.05chrisimewhy does that crap don't have a backlight
18:00.10pb_did you install bootstrap or bootgpe2?
18:00.19chrisimegpe
18:00.29pb_strange, it usually takes longer to get to the login prompt.
18:00.34pb_what's on the lcd screen?
18:00.47chrisimehard to read
18:00.54chrisimewhere's the fucking light switch
18:01.03chrisimeit says somthing about calibrate
18:01.18pb_hm, backlight should be switched on automatically.
18:01.23chrisimepb_, help!!! where's the light switch
18:01.31pb_log in on the serial line.  username root, password rootme.
18:01.35pb_"bl on" will switch on the light.
18:01.47chrisimehmm
18:01.48chrisimeroot
18:01.52chrisimerootme
18:01.56chrisimedoesn't work
18:01.58pb_hm
18:02.04pb_sounds like the new image may not have been loaded properly.
18:02.19pb_I wonder what could have gone wrong.
18:02.51chrisimelooks ok
18:02.58chrisimei have gpe now
18:03.42pb_aha.
18:04.04chrisimeno light
18:04.12pb_hrm
18:04.24chrisimei'll remove it from the cradle now
18:04.28chrisimeis that ok?
18:04.31pb_sure
18:05.05chrisimek
18:05.54chrisime\maybe that damn thing is broken
18:07.38chrisimeok
18:07.45chrisimehow can i get rid of new user
18:07.51chrisimei already entered one
18:10.00chrisimepb_, somehow gpe doesn't work
18:10.19chrisimei can't get behind the new user prompt
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18:10.35florianre
18:12.19chrisimei think this bootloader is crap
18:14.30florianlol
18:14.40chrisimehmpf
18:14.50chrisimeflorian, well
18:15.44florianchrisime: wich version you are using?
18:15.53florians/wich/which
18:17.01chrisime2.18.54
18:17.11chrisimeand it doesn't work
18:17.11chrisimeno backlight
18:17.18chrisimegpe doesn't work properly
18:17.26chrisimei can't get behind new user
18:18.09chrisimeshould i install a new bootldr?
18:19.45florianyep, use 2.19.71, this works well
18:20.15chrisimehmm
18:20.24chrisimei hope nothing will be broken
18:20.37chrisimemy boss told me something about not deleting the bootldr
18:21.02chrisimeotherwise they would have to send it to hp/compaq
18:22.03floriani updated mine several times without trouble
18:22.39chrisimebootblaster 1.18
18:22.40chrisimeok?
18:23.05chrisimehmm
18:23.11floriani have no idea, this is long ago... today i use the bootloader itself
18:23.22chrisimeok
18:23.26chrisimei have a bootloader
18:23.33chrisimehow can i upgrade to a newer one
18:23.39chrisimeusing the current one?
18:23.43florianjust type "load bootldr" and download it via xmodem
18:24.02florianat the bootloader prompt
18:24.29chrisimeyou mean upload
18:24.49florianyou should veryfy the md5sum of your download before...
18:25.16floriandepends from which side of view ;-)
18:25.28chrisimepc -> pda
18:25.46chrisimeflorian, der scheiss nervt.../me genervt
18:27.50chrisimeflorian, ich hab so nen komischen splash vom bootloader
18:28.51florianchrisime: i hope at the screen and not at your serial console?!
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19:57.55floriandc_: hi
19:57.58dc_hey
20:01.42chrisimemy passwd holds 5 root users
20:01.45chrisimenice hm?
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21:32.14Servo888hmm
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21:40.25pigeonHi PaxAnima
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21:50.24PaxAnimacmarqu: found any new bugs in psCalc2? ;)
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22:21.34dc_I need to sort this wirless card out
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22:41.46PaxAnimaevening, pb_
22:45.12pb_!
22:46.33dc_hum
22:46.36dc_this isn't cool.
22:46.46dc_it works on mine...but not on the other box.
22:47.06pb_dc_: what's that?
22:47.16dc_wireless card :}
22:47.20dc_I have mine working
22:47.28pb_aha.
22:47.36pb_is this with your airport extreme?
22:47.42dc_nah
22:48.06dc_I'm still deciding wherther 200 pounds is too much for an AP or one
22:48.10dc_s/one/not
22:48.13pb_ah.
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23:00.20pb_dc_: so, what's the problem with this other machine?
23:12.49dc_ah ha
23:12.54dc_I have found it :}
23:12.56dc_joy.
23:13.02dc_wireless for all
23:13.05dc_and c700's
23:13.08dc_and satellite :D
23:14.04dc_pb_: it seems there is some magic line that enables wireless with wlan ng :}
23:14.18pb_wlan-ng?
23:14.20pb_barf
23:14.37dc_wlanctl-ng
23:15.32dc_pb_: oh and http://211.18.214.210/cgi-bin/ems-from-eng?tr_num=EI014309596JP&submit=START
23:15.48dc_I hope it comes tomorrow :D
23:16.12dc_pb_: and my http://www.planetsky.com/satellites.php?page=Eurobird
23:16.24pb_dc_: why are you using wlan-ng anyway?
23:16.30pb_well, I guess if it works for you, that's cool
23:16.46dc_pb_: it's what comes with the card.
23:16.52pb_dc_: aha.
23:16.58pb_dc_: fingers crossed on the c700 :-)
23:16.58dc_pb_: kernel drivers for the card are only in 2.5.
23:17.07pb_ah, I see.
23:17.12dc_pb_: which I havn't been having fun with lately.
23:17.16dc_pb_: yeah, lets hope :D
23:17.42dc_hrm, and I realised today...
23:17.50dc_it's the modem that uses vpn...right.
23:17.51pb_maybe I should though, it seems that's where hotplug is at.
23:17.59pb_dc_: ah, that makes a bit more sense.
23:18.25dc_well....that's what I'm thinking.
23:18.55dc_if the modem uses vpn, it will tunnel to planetsky, who then I guess will make the request for you, then send it back via sat.
23:20.42dc_pb_: would that make sence?
23:20.51dc_s/sence/sense/
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23:25.41pb_dc_: yep
23:25.45pb_dc_: it wouldn't even need to be a full vpn, just a straight IPIP tunnel would do the job.
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