| 01:11.06 | moray | hm, I'm not sure what jsmarique wants us to look at in c.o.l.embedded, but it does appear that Oliver Fels replies to *every* post telling people to use Opie ;) |
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| 02:32.30 | icefox | Hey there |
| 02:33.00 | icefox | I had fun at the conference, sorry I couldn't attend on Saturday. I broke my toe and didn't care to move around much |
| 02:33.33 | moray | icefox: oh, breaking your toe sounds painful? |
| 02:34.22 | icefox | hmm |
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| 07:23.12 | drkness | can I download precompiles gtk 2.0 so for ipaq including the headers from any place? |
| 07:25.39 | paul | drkness: gpe is using gtk2.2 now. |
| 07:27.20 | drkness | paul: thanks... where do I get the source for that ? is it the same as the other gtk sources without any iPAQ specific stuff? |
| 07:27.31 | paul | drkness: gtk.org? |
| 07:27.41 | paul | drkness: i think debian unstable have packages too |
| 07:27.49 | paul | drkness: and i there are rpms for RH8+ |
| 07:30.03 | drkness | paul: thnx... I am planning to get the headers from the source and the libraries from the familiar .7 distro and cross compile on my PC.. is that the right way to do it.. |
| 07:30.33 | paul | drkness: search google for site:handhelds.org cross compile twiki |
| 07:30.47 | paul | drkness: there is a debian cross compile package there somewhere. |
| 07:30.59 | paul | drkness: you can cross compile your own gtk2.2 then. |
| 07:31.38 | drkness | paul: I already looked at it... but well to recompile glibc I need to use the cluster or use my iPAQ was wondering if I could circumvent that |
| 07:31.50 | paul | glibc? |
| 07:32.17 | paul | why do you need to compile glibc? :) |
| 07:32.31 | drkness | well I'm porting JVM to linux.. hence the question.. for the graphics stuff.. get link errors.. |
| 07:32.55 | drkness | porting JVM (J2ME) to iPAQ |
| 07:32.57 | paul | against the glibc you copied over from your ipaq? |
| 07:33.22 | drkness | well what I did was copy the libries from my iPAQ to my PC and used them to link |
| 07:33.39 | paul | what kind of link errors? |
| 07:34.26 | drkness | essentially when executing tjr JVM one of some of the libries cannot be loaded when I try the creating graphics otherwise the JVM works.. |
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| 07:34.45 | drkness | I can do 'hello world'.. and network connection programs except the graphics |
| 07:35.36 | paul | drkness: hmm.. i cant help you further really. |
| 07:35.44 | paul | drkness: i use the cluster :) |
| 07:35.54 | paul | drkness: maybe if you mail the familiar@handhelds.org list |
| 07:37.09 | drkness | paul: thx I'll try using the cluster |
| 07:41.28 | drkness | paul: how can I access the cluster? |
| 07:41.39 | paul | telnet ipaqN.handhelds.org |
| 07:41.42 | paul | user guest |
| 07:42.02 | paul | you may create a directory in ~guest with your email as its name. |
| 07:46.49 | cmarqu_werk | http://handhelds.org/projects/devcluster.html |
| 08:29.07 | drkness | thanks guys but looks like I can't telnet to it.. (behind a firewall :( ) |
| 08:29.50 | paul | drkness: look for the cross compile .deb and go compile all the various libs you require so :( |
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| 08:39.46 | herzi | i have got a patch against gpe/base/gpe-todo/po/de.po which converts the file from iso-8859-1 to utf-8, where can i send it to? |
| 08:44.26 | mallum | herzi: I would guess pb@nexus.co.uk |
| 08:44.41 | herzi | that is who? |
| 08:45.51 | mallum | philip blundell |
| 08:46.08 | herzi | aja |
| 08:46.09 | herzi | thanks |
| 08:58.05 | cmarqu_werk | herzi: Normally, the Makefile does that conversion automatically for all different po files. |
| 08:58.39 | cmarqu_werk | herzi: Look in gpe/base/build/Makefile.translation |
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| 10:11.13 | chrisime | jo there |
| 10:24.21 | mallum | ah cool got a linux journal link to matchbox |
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| 10:44.51 | pb_ | morning |
| 10:44.56 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 10:45.01 | mallum | back from states now ? |
| 10:45.08 | PaxAnima | morning |
| 10:47.37 | ade|indy | morning |
| 10:48.10 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 10:48.15 | pb_ | yep, back in England now. |
| 10:48.18 | pb_ | hi PaxAnima |
| 10:48.18 | pb_ | hi ade|indy |
| 10:48.29 | mallum | pb_: did hdc go well ? |
| 10:48.38 | pb_ | yeah, I think so. |
| 10:49.37 | mallum | cool, see much cool stuff ? |
| 10:51.12 | pb_ | Nothing all that new, I guess. A couple of the presentations were interesting, though, and I got to see a 1910 ipaq in real life for the first time. |
| 10:51.57 | mallum | ah cool |
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| 10:53.33 | mallum | pb_: btw, it appears 0.7pre are using the nonxft versions of xkbd which are pretty out of date. if thats on purpose I'll update the non xft packages, but xft enabled ones should be ok now with luxi fonts ? |
| 10:54.33 | pb_ | Yeah, I saw Florian's note. I don't know why that has started happening. |
| 10:56.45 | mallum | pb_: also I been playing around with niceing up the XServer , theres definetly an improvment if you renice -10 $(pidof Xfbdev) |
| 10:56.57 | mallum | pb_: try it and see what you think |
| 11:00.11 | pb_ | Paul mentioned that also. I think he was going to talk to Jim about it. |
| 11:00.49 | mallum | yeah indeed |
| 11:01.41 | mallum | pb_: it would appear debina does the same thing by default |
| 11:02.15 | pb_ | right, I checked the bootstrap build logs. xkbd-nonxft is indeed getting installed. I'm guessing this is because it Provides: xkbd, so ipkg can't tell them apart. |
| 11:03.12 | mallum | pb_: maybe the easiest solution is just to pull nonxft xkbd out of the feeds |
| 11:03.37 | pb_ | That would work for me. |
| 11:04.03 | pb_ | Alternatively, you could make "xkbd" be a pure virtual, and rename the current xkbd package to xkbd-xft or something. |
| 11:04.47 | pb_ | Or rename the xkbd virtual to something else, like virtual-keyboard, and have it provide a suitable alternative. That might be a bit neater, I dunno. |
| 11:06.54 | mallum | yeah sounds good |
| 11:07.06 | mallum | have to goto dentist now *shudder* :( |
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| 12:05.51 | drkness | guys know any of the clusters that has gtk2.2? |
| 12:09.59 | pb_ | I thought it was installed on all the ipaqs nowadays. |
| 12:11.09 | drkness | pb_: working on ipaq4 and the the library dependencies point to /usr/lib/libgthread-1.2.so.0 |
| 12:11.31 | pb_ | let me look. |
| 12:11.49 | pb_ | yeah, 2.2 is installed. |
| 12:11.53 | pb_ | guest@ipaq4:~$ dpkg --status libgtk2.0-0 |
| 12:11.54 | pb_ | Package: libgtk2.0-0 |
| 12:11.55 | pb_ | [...] |
| 12:12.00 | pb_ | Version: 2.2.1-3 |
| 12:12.16 | pb_ | I guess if you are getting gthread 1.2, you must have an error in your compile line. |
| 12:12.48 | drkness | the compile line pick it up from ( gtk-config --libs ) which is the right thing to do |
| 12:12.58 | pb_ | ah, no, gtk-config --libs is for gtk 1.2. |
| 12:13.06 | pb_ | for gtk 2, you should use pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 |
| 12:13.22 | pb_ | similarly for CFLAGS. |
| 12:13.28 | drkness | egawd!! thnx ;) |
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| 12:34.00 | pb_ | hi flypiper |
| 12:35.08 | flypiper | pb_: morning :) |
| 12:35.33 | flypiper | pb_: did you get my message about my gpg-key not being on a keyserver? |
| 12:35.48 | flypiper | gotta submit it again.. I guess |
| 12:36.04 | pb_ | flypiper: ah, no, didn't see that note. |
| 12:36.11 | flypiper | :( |
| 12:36.51 | flypiper | pb_: you had a good trip home?? |
| 12:37.21 | pb_ | flypiper: yep, pretty good. The flight arrived back in London almost an hour ahead of schedule, which is kind of unusual for those trips. |
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| 12:58.38 | florian | hi all! |
| 12:59.13 | spung | help! |
| 12:59.33 | florian | spung: what's up? |
| 12:59.52 | spung | just been in a computer architecture class for 3 hours and a half solving a DLX (mips64) assembley problem |
| 13:00.02 | spung | my brain is not functioning well anymore |
| 13:00.04 | spung | :) |
| 13:00.41 | spung | floating point stuff is a mess |
| 13:01.42 | florian | oh, this sound really bad ;-) |
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| 13:02.08 | pb_ | hi florian! |
| 13:02.16 | pb_ | spung: heh |
| 13:02.16 | florian | pb_: hi! |
| 13:03.59 | florian | pb_: any idea why ipkg from pre8 image tries to update it's package list from familiar 0.7pre/x feed without havinf this in ipkg.conf?! |
| 13:04.11 | florian | s/havinf/having |
| 13:05.41 | pb_ | florian: let me look. |
| 13:05.44 | pb_ | mallum: :-/ |
| 13:06.32 | florian | mallum: hi mallum |
| 13:06.36 | mallum | hey florian |
| 13:06.58 | mallum | my dentist is really cool. it took her 30 seconds to fix my tooth with only minimal pain |
| 13:08.02 | pb_ | florian: no, that sounds very weird. |
| 13:08.22 | florian | pb_: im helpless... |
| 13:08.39 | mallum | florian: btw, Im waiting good progress on the mbdesktop rewrite - so hopefully soon you should be able to set the font :-) |
| 13:09.47 | florian | pb_: just flashed our h3600, removed wlan-ng.conf, installed wireless lan, changed ipkg.conf to use unstable feed only and ran "ipkg update" |
| 13:10.20 | florian | pb_: after this i tried "ipkg install ipkg" - this did exactly nothing. |
| 13:10.37 | pb_ | florian: what does "ipkg info ipkg" say? |
| 13:12.53 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.54 | florian | Package: ipkg |
| 13:12.54 | florian | Version: 0.99.71 |
| 13:14.17 | florian | pb_: _but_ after trying this i installed the contents of the 0.99.77 by hand |
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| 13:17.28 | pb_ | florian: it was "ipkg info" that I was more interested in, not ipkg status. |
| 13:17.29 | florian | mallum: hey, this is great - do you really rewrite the whole mbdesktop?! |
| 13:18.04 | florian | pb_: oops, sorry... |
| 13:18.30 | pb_ | florian: but well, maybe this was just a bug in the old version. I think we are up to pre10 now, so maybe you could try that. |
| 13:18.41 | florian | Package: ipkg |
| 13:18.42 | florian | Version: 0.99.71 |
| 13:18.42 | florian | Depends: libc6, wget, sed, fileutils |
| 13:18.42 | florian | Status: install ok installed |
| 13:18.42 | florian | Architecture: arm |
| 13:18.42 | florian | Installed-Time: 1049385151l |
| 13:18.44 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.46 | florian | Package: ipkg |
| 13:18.48 | florian | Version: 0.99.77 |
| 13:18.50 | florian | Depends: libc6, wget, sed, fileutils |
| 13:18.52 | florian | Status: install prefer not-installed |
| 13:18.55 | florian | Section: base |
| 13:18.56 | florian | Essential: yes |
| 13:18.58 | florian | Architecture: arm |
| 13:19.02 | florian | Maintainer: Carl Worth <cworth@east.isi.edu> |
| 13:19.04 | florian | MD5sum: f676e058dc186b72c8ffbadc6199ba8d |
| 13:19.06 | florian | Size: 46150 |
| 13:19.08 | florian | Filename: ipkg_0.99.77_arm.ipk |
| 13:19.33 | florian | pb_: did someone remove wlan-ng.conf in pre10? |
| 13:19.36 | pb_ | florian: right. so, it can see 0.99.77 in the feed (which I guess means it must be using the right feed), it just isn't upgrading to it for some reason. I think this was indeed an ipkg bug at one time, which is supposed to be fixed now. |
| 13:19.37 | mallum | florian: well just rejigging it around so its more flexiable. I originally hacked it togeather it a few days and have just been bandageing it since then ;-) |
| 13:20.13 | pb_ | florian: yes, I think we removed wlan-ng from the bootstraps because it was overriding hostap and breaking everybody's wifi. |
| 13:20.54 | mallum | matchbox got a mention in Linux journal -> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6474 |
| 13:21.11 | pb_ | ah, that's cool. |
| 13:21.44 | florian | pb_: what about the problem with ipkg installing pxa kernel images on 3800 iPaqs? |
| 13:21.52 | pb_ | florian: I think that is fixed as well. |
| 13:22.11 | florian | pb_: this is great, exactly the problem i had :-) |
| 13:22.40 | pb_ | :-) |
| 13:23.02 | florian | pb_: ok, is this image finished? if not, let my create a fresh gpe-conf package first |
| 13:23.19 | pb_ | florian: I think pre10 is already released, but a gpe-conf package would always be good. |
| 13:23.36 | pb_ | florian: I will try to persuade Russ to make a pre11 in short order. |
| 13:23.45 | florian | pb_: jep, but then i'll do that later... |
| 13:23.52 | pb_ | Okay, cool. |
| 13:24.05 | pb_ | Let me know when it's ready. |
| 13:24.13 | pb_ | mallum: what's the latest on the d-bus ipks? |
| 13:24.28 | florian | pb_: good idea... with a new xkbd :-) |
| 13:24.34 | pb_ | florian: right! |
| 13:25.22 | mallum | pb_: well 0.8 got released and changed quite a bit of stuff, so I have to work on packaging them |
| 13:26.41 | pb_ | okay. |
| 13:26.49 | mallum | pb_: I'll probably do that later this evening in front of the TV |
| 13:27.09 | pb_ | it might be worth liaising with Colin. I expect you can share quite a lot of the debian packaging. |
| 13:29.21 | mallum | yeah sure, the ipkg's were based on his debs |
| 13:29.35 | pb_ | ah right. |
| 13:31.41 | mallum | pb_: but if you really need them in unstable, I can uplaod the existing 0.6 ones |
| 13:32.05 | florian | bbl |
| 13:32.26 | pb_ | mallum: there's no huge rush. if you think you can have 0.8 packaged in the next couple of days, we can wait. |
| 13:33.09 | mallum | pb_: okey, what do you have thats dependant on them out of interest ? |
| 13:33.35 | pb_ | right now, nothing, but we want to start introducing dependencies. |
| 13:33.46 | pb_ | a lot of the bluetooth and pcmcia code would benefit from d-bus. |
| 13:33.57 | cmarqu_werk | The x feed is pulled in from /etc/ipkg/gpe.conf FWIW. |
| 13:34.57 | mallum | pb_: okey sounds cool |
| 13:53.17 | mallum | pb_: can you use your uber debian skills to see why phoenix browser doesn't seem to be getting built for arm ? |
| 13:53.24 | pb_ | yeah, just a minute |
| 13:53.58 | pb_ | what's the package name, is it just "phoenix"? |
| 13:54.13 | mallum | yeah just phoenix |
| 13:54.34 | pb_ | uh, it doesn't seem to be in debian at all, unless it's in non-free or non-us or something. |
| 13:55.05 | pb_ | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=phoenix&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 13:56.16 | mallum | pb_: wierd I can get it on powerpc, maybe I have some wierd apt source added for it |
| 13:56.49 | ade|indy | phoenix is not in sid atm |
| 13:57.07 | ade|indy | it is on apt-get.org though |
| 13:57.23 | pb_ | ah, right. |
| 13:58.15 | ade|indy | wish galeon2 worked |
| 13:58.30 | pb_ | I've been using galeon2 from garnome, it seems to work okay. |
| 13:58.47 | ade|indy | if only the network settings worked :( |
| 13:58.52 | pb_ | ah. |
| 13:59.05 | ade|indy | cant do non-proxy for certain ips |
| 13:59.40 | mallum | its here -> http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/ |
| 13:59.55 | ade|indy | i use snapshot but for *.ex.ac.uk i use mo(bloat)zilla |
| 13:59.55 | mallum | ade|indy: have you tryied epiphany ? |
| 14:01.14 | ade|indy | mallum: no whats it like ? |
| 14:01.44 | mallum | ade|indy: like galeon2 but more HIG compliant |
| 14:01.55 | pb_ | fear the HIG! |
| 14:02.00 | mallum | ade|indy: its written by the original galeon guy |
| 14:02.32 | ade|indy | is that deb'ed? |
| 14:02.37 | mallum | yeah in sid |
| 14:03.27 | pb_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=163270 has some phoenix status. |
| 14:03.31 | ade|indy | feck ... seen the depends ?? !!! hmm |
| 14:03.31 | mallum | I wonder how many days it'll take my CATS box to build phoenix ... |
| 14:04.49 | pb_ | ade|indy: welcome to gnome. |
| 14:05.07 | mallum | hehe |
| 14:05.27 | ade|indy | grr needs mozilla-snapshot. i think i'll leave that for a while. i want to keep a nice mozilla not a snap |
| 14:05.39 | ade|indy | gtk is fine gnome2 ..hmm |
| 14:05.44 | ade|indy | gtk2 even |
| 14:05.48 | pb_ | I think mozilla-snapshot will parallel install with ordinary mozilla. |
| 14:06.09 | ade|indy | gnome2 needs way to many extras |
| 14:06.33 | mallum | hmm, I think I'll need to upgrade the CATS hardisk before I attempt to compile |
| 14:06.54 | ade|indy | i just want blackbox with gtk2 bits on top. but i have to install all the gnome2 session proxy etc etc .. |
| 14:06.58 | mallum | anyone know a good way of making a mirror copy of a harddisk ? |
| 14:07.11 | pb_ | dd, I suppose. |
| 14:07.18 | ade|indy | dd or ghost |
| 14:07.29 | mallum | will that mess up on /dev entries though ? |
| 14:07.55 | ade|indy | if it is a live disk yes |
| 14:07.55 | pb_ | nope, it copies the raw bits. even tar and cpio will cope with /dev just fine. |
| 14:08.25 | ade|indy | they do ? |
| 14:08.57 | pb_ | yeah, shouldn't be a problem. the only thing you have to watch is /proc. |
| 14:09.04 | ade|indy | i find that /dev/pts stops tar |
| 14:09.34 | pb_ | ah, /dev/pts is a separate filesystem, not really part of /dev. best to unmount that, or use --one-file-system. |
| 14:10.06 | ade|indy | true . will do that in future |
| 14:11.14 | ade|indy | does any trader hold small 2.5inch ide drives these days or only 20gig+ .. my bios aint to good about 8.4 gig :( |
| 14:11.38 | pb_ | I think even modern drives tend to have jumpers for compatibility with old bioses. |
| 14:12.05 | ade|indy | seems a waist to buy a 20gig to clamp down to 8.4 |
| 14:12.15 | ade|indy | lol waste even |
| 14:13.19 | pb_ | true enough. I doubt you can get a smaller drive for much less money though, unless you find a secondhand one (and secondhand drives always make me a bit nervous) |
| 14:14.23 | ade|indy | me too |
| 14:15.26 | ade|indy | 70 quid minimum :( |
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| 14:26.38 | ade | yay this does work :) |
| 14:27.17 | ade | 1 |
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| 14:33.26 | florian | re |
| 14:34.26 | florian | pb_: i uploaded a new gpe-conf package, i hope it only fixes some errors |
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| 14:44.16 | nelson | Anybody seen any problems with -pre10 yet? |
| 14:54.09 | florian | not yet, didn't install it so far - but be shure i will ;-) |
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| 15:00.49 | pb_ | florian: great! |
| 15:01.08 | pb_ | florian: did you see my remark yesterday about gpe-wlancfg, by the way? |
| 15:01.10 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 15:01.28 | jg | pb_: morning. |
| 15:01.33 | jg | have a nice flight back? |
| 15:01.46 | florian | pb_: no, i think i missed this :-/ |
| 15:01.59 | pb_ | jg: yep, as these things go it was quite pleasant. |
| 15:03.49 | pb_ | florian: ah, I was just saying that I had added it to the bootstrap task. Bdale also had a comment about one of the terms it used being confusing; I think "Schemas" or something was used in the UI where "Profiles" might have been better. Maybe you could mention that to Ole if you happen to speak to him. |
| 15:04.32 | cmarqu_werk | florian: the x feed is listed in /etc/ipkg/gpe.conf |
| 15:06.11 | florian | cmarqu_werk: oh, right you are... but what's this?! and why |
| 15:06.50 | cmarqu_werk | florian: ask nelson, he is the master of the feeds |
| 15:08.05 | florian | pb_: yep, ok - this was the naming from the config files... i'll tell him... |
| 15:21.55 | nelson | cmarqu_werk: is there a problem with /etc/ipkg/gpe.conf ? |
| 15:23.28 | cmarqu_werk | nelson: I think the x feed is not there anymore... but I cannot check right now. florian was asking, I just answered. |
| 15:25.07 | nelson | Um ... I *think* it's still there. |
| 15:25.42 | nelson | I installed gpe-wlancfg just fine last night, and it's in the x feed. |
| 15:26.09 | pb_ | I think florian might have been confused by an old buggy ipkg. |
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| 15:52.36 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 16:03.22 | mallum | nelson: what bootldr version do I want for 7pre10 + |
| 16:26.36 | mallum | pb_: it appears why ipaq is still alive, just gpe-dm is exiting immediatly and not starting X etc |
| 16:29.00 | pb_ | ah right |
| 16:31.30 | mallum | strace would tell me that gpe-dm is having problems loading libc ! a lot of wierd errors |
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| 16:31.54 | pb_ | run gpe-dm -n, see what that says. |
| 16:32.10 | pb_ | kill off any daemonized ones first to avoid confusion. |
| 16:32.15 | pb_ | dneuer: morning |
| 16:34.04 | mallum | pb_: gpe-nm -n gives nothing it just exits immediatly |
| 16:34.24 | pb_ | ah. |
| 16:34.26 | dneuer | pb_: afternoon ;-) |
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| 17:09.51 | nelson | mallum: 2.19.71, I believe. |
| 17:10.16 | mallum | nelson: yeah thats what I put on, flashing pre10 now ... |
| 17:10.24 | nelson | excellent, thanks. |
| 17:10.37 | nelson | did pb_ tell you about the problem that seems to be matchbox crashing? |
| 17:10.57 | mallum | nelson: nope |
| 17:11.12 | mallum | nelson: what mb version are you using ? |
| 17:11.49 | nelson | first time booting after a reflash, the "Welcome to GPE" box is popped up over a login screen. |
| 17:13.15 | nelson | pb_'s speculation was that matchbox was crashing as the applets were being added, which caused gpe-dm to throw up a login screen. |
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| 17:14.20 | florian | i think i found somethink about the nmf-mp3 problem... |
| 17:14.21 | mallum | nelson: does this happen all the time after a reflash ? |
| 17:17.40 | mallum | nelson: and what version of matchbox is this happening with ? |
| 17:22.51 | nelson | mallum: whatever version is in -pre10, which is whatever is in releases/0.7/x/armv4l, which was whatever was in unstable on Saturday. |
| 17:23.00 | nelson | mallum: unfortunately, NO, it doesn't happen every time. |
| 17:25.44 | mallum | wierd, I dont see how adding panel apps could crash mb itself |
| 17:36.58 | florian | ok, nmf plays mp3s now - the error was a missing module in gstreamer |
| 17:37.12 | chrisime | hoi da |
| 17:37.35 | chrisime | mallum, i'll get my pda tomorrow :) |
| 17:37.47 | chrisime | today, i asked my boss at uni |
| 17:40.05 | florian | bbl |
| 17:51.31 | mallum | chrisime: cool |
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| 18:51.17 | florian | hello all! |
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| 19:32.33 | dneuer | wb pb_ |
| 19:34.24 | pb_ | re |
| 19:35.18 | florian | pb_: re pb_ |
| 19:35.21 | cmarqu | florian: What is the fix for gpe-nmfs MP3 problem? |
| 19:35.26 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 19:35.35 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah, I should try building a new spider this evening, if nobody has done that already |
| 19:35.44 | cmarqu | pb_: florian found it! |
| 19:35.57 | pb_ | aha! Florian is my hero! |
| 19:36.14 | cmarqu | pb_: Still, a new spider would fix my other problem with some oggs of mine. |
| 19:36.21 | pb_ | cmarqu: Right. |
| 19:37.29 | florian | cmarqu: a missing plugin that is used by spider |
| 19:37.41 | pb_ | ahh. which plugin is that? |
| 19:38.33 | florian | pb_: it's gstmp3types, is part of the gst-plugins package |
| 19:38.49 | pb_ | right. okay, I will make a new package with that one included. |
| 19:39.04 | florian | i just flashed the 3600 again, let me see if that's all... |
| 19:41.01 | cmarqu | ~ # ipkg update |
| 19:41.02 | cmarqu | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/Packages |
| 19:41.05 | cmarqu | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/x/Packages |
| 19:41.08 | cmarqu | wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found |
| 19:41.10 | cmarqu | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-lw7R4K http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/x/Packages' |
| 19:41.17 | pb_ | yah, I think that is a known erratum. |
| 19:41.25 | cmarqu | nelson: That's what I meant. |
| 19:41.26 | pb_ | I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but it was happening to me at the weekend as well. |
| 19:41.28 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 19:42.19 | pb_ | ah, there doesn't seem to be any pre10-ERRATA in the install directory. |
| 19:42.45 | cmarqu | Ah. http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/x/armv4l/Packages would be correct. |
| 19:42.58 | pb_ | Oh right, yes, that makes sense. |
| 19:43.08 | cmarqu | But... |
| 19:44.05 | cmarqu | If I am looking at /etc/ipkg.conf and change the src line to unstable, I will still "magically" get the x feed. |
| 19:44.21 | cmarqu | Or is ipkg.conf scheduled to go into /etc/ipkg/ as well? |
| 19:44.29 | cmarqu | Otherwise, it's a bit confusing IMO. |
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| 19:54.49 | jsmanrique | night! |
| 20:05.11 | florian | pb_: ok, you need libgstmp3types.so libgstmpegaudioparse.so and a fresh global registry |
| 20:05.19 | florian | bbl |
| 20:05.20 | nelson | cmarqu: I'm thinking that yes, ipkg.conf should go into /etc/ipkg/. |
| 20:06.06 | cmarqu | nelson: Sounds reasonable. |
| 20:18.28 | pb_ | florian: righto |
| 20:26.49 | florian | pb_: and if you compile native, you should problably compile only the single subdir of gst-plugins... this saves nuch of time :-) |
| 20:27.03 | pb_ | florian: I probably have a tree already built, just need to add those plugins to the ship list. |
| 20:27.39 | pb_ | Oh, and I should drop the new spider in for Colin. Is that in gst-plugins too, or gstreamer proper? |
| 20:29.02 | jsmanrique | pb_: hi! |
| 20:29.06 | pb_ | hi jsmanrique |
| 20:29.11 | jsmanrique | pb_: how about the HDC? |
| 20:29.19 | jsmanrique | pb_: will there be photos? |
| 20:29.27 | jsmanrique | pb_: any nice hacking? |
| 20:29.36 | pb_ | jsmanrique: it was cool. I'm not sure about photos. I didn't take any, but I think there were some guys there with cameras. |
| 20:30.14 | jsmanrique | pb_: has v0.7 been released= |
| 20:30.18 | pb_ | jsmanrique: I did some work on the USB bootldr with nontoxic; also some more gpe-bluetooth stuff, new gpe-login, gpe-session-scripts and so on. Jamey did a lot of ipkg work. |
| 20:30.20 | pb_ | jsmanrique: not yet. |
| 20:30.33 | jsmanrique | pb_: is there support for h3900 mmc? |
| 20:30.42 | pb_ | jsmanrique: Andy is working on that, but it is not ready yet. |
| 20:31.10 | jsmanrique | pb_: ok |
| 20:31.35 | jsmanrique | pb_: a friend of mine has bought a h3950, and we are pressing him to turn to the ligth side |
| 20:31.42 | pb_ | aha :-) |
| 20:32.10 | chrisime | pb_, hi |
| 20:32.23 | pb_ | hi chrisime |
| 20:32.30 | chrisime | pb_, i'll fix the last notebook tab this week |
| 20:32.36 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 20:32.56 | chrisime | it'll be much easier with an ipaq :) |
| 20:33.35 | pb_ | I still don't quite understand what you expect to behave differently on the ipaq compared to xnest, but if you say so. |
| 20:34.03 | chrisime | i don't get it correctly with xnest |
| 20:34.08 | chrisime | believe me :) |
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| 20:36.12 | chrisime | pb_, try to switch away from time_t to a more flexible time representation. |
| 20:36.15 | chrisime | ^^ which |
| 20:36.26 | pb_ | any. |
| 20:36.29 | chrisime | that's a todo item for calendar |
| 20:36.35 | chrisime | pb_, hmm |
| 20:36.37 | pb_ | hence the indefinite article. |
| 20:36.50 | chrisime | ? |
| 20:37.02 | herzi | cmarqu: around? |
| 20:37.24 | cmarqu | herzi: Yep. |
| 20:37.31 | chrisime | herzi, was tustn du da |
| 20:37.32 | pb_ | chrisime: if I had had a particular representation in mind, I would have said so. |
| 20:37.33 | herzi | may i query? |
| 20:37.39 | chrisime | pb_, ah yes |
| 20:38.22 | jsmanrique | has someone visited comp.os.linux.embedded newsgroup? |
| 20:38.51 | florian | not yet... interesting?! |
| 20:38.56 | pb_ | florian, cmarqu: I uploaded a new gst-plugins package. |
| 20:39.36 | florian | pb_: cool! try to ake shure this becomes part of pre11 :-) |
| 20:39.53 | pb_ | florian: nelson almost always takes the latest packages when building images, so it should be included. |
| 20:39.54 | jsmanrique | has someone visited comp.os.linux.embedded newsgroup? |
| 20:40.07 | jsmanrique | Oliver Fels is doing a hard promotion of OPIE.. |
| 20:40.23 | jsmanrique | so, I had make some about GPE :-D |
| 20:41.52 | florian | is there a good newsfeed around? i can't reach my university's from home... |
| 20:42.12 | jsmanrique | florian: google? |
| 20:42.13 | pb_ | there's always groups.google.com |
| 20:42.55 | jsmanrique | http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=35a0e16f.0304070413.23113bc2%40posting.google.com&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dcomp.os.linux.embedded |
| 20:42.56 | cmarqu | florian: news.cis.dfn.de |
| 20:43.45 | florian | hmm yes, but if i read this stuff, i'm shure that i an't halp myself and need to post some lines... :-) |
| 20:44.12 | cmarqu | florian: You can post on cis if you get an account there (free) |
| 20:45.07 | jsmanrique | and other post |
| 20:45.09 | jsmanrique | http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=g8po6b-rf6.ln%40stanley.local&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dcomp.os.linux.embedded |
| 20:50.07 | florian | cmarqu: ok, i think i'll be ther soon :-) |
| 20:54.05 | moray | although, if people have time to post news, they should have time to fix bugs / make GPE definitely better than the competition ;) |
| 20:57.51 | pb_ | ha, yes indeed. |
| 20:58.03 | jsmanrique | moray: well, we should, but since I am not a programmer, I can't do much more |
| 20:58.24 | jsmanrique | moray: every talk I give about GPE I try to get "developers" for GPE |
| 20:58.45 | jsmanrique | moray: and I hope to have spanish xkbd layout in a pair of weeks |
| 20:59.29 | jsmanrique | moray: I've tried to do spanish localization of figment since I use it alot, but I couldn't get it working, so give me a pair of weeks too |
| 21:00.02 | jsmanrique | moray: I try to help doing what I do best, talk about it :-D |
| 21:00.22 | moray | jsmanrique: sure, it's good to have a few people to work on 'publicity' ;) |
| 21:00.33 | jsmanrique | moray: there are 3 new iPAQs in our LUG, and everyone is using GPE... |
| 21:00.39 | pb_ | jsmanrique: that's cool. |
| 21:00.49 | jsmanrique | moray: give them a week, and sure they will do something |
| 21:01.11 | pb_ | jsmanrique: there is plenty of scope for people to work on Spanish translation, if anybody there is interested in such things. |
| 21:01.30 | jsmanrique | pb_: I know |
| 21:01.39 | pb_ | I see Luc has been busy with the French translations recently, too, which is good. |
| 21:01.50 | jsmanrique | pb_: I am doing all my best to give info about it |
| 21:01.57 | pb_ | jsmanrique: excellent :-) |
| 21:02.03 | jsmanrique | pb_: I had an exam today, so today is time for rest |
| 21:02.22 | jsmanrique | pb_: I hope to start tomorrow with spanish xkbd layout |
| 21:02.29 | pb_ | great. |
| 21:02.48 | jsmanrique | pb_: and then publish it in «spanish slashdot», trying to catch people attention |
| 21:03.42 | jsmanrique | pb_: and then I should success in spanish localization of figment, one of my favorite GPE apps |
| 21:03.56 | jsmanrique | pb_: I use it even on my classes :-) |
| 21:05.04 | jsmanrique | I have done the es.po file, but when I make figment, it still runs in english :( |
| 21:05.27 | pb_ | jsmanrique: it might be that figment itself has i18n-related bugs. |
| 21:06.17 | pb_ | is it translated to any other languages that you can try? |
| 21:06.51 | jsmanrique | pb_: well, I don't know how to do that, but there are also de.po and uk.po |
| 21:06.59 | jsmanrique | pb_: what are de.gmo? |
| 21:07.49 | chrisime | night |
| 21:08.36 | florian | chrisime: night |
| 21:08.53 | pb_ | jsmanrique: .mo is a compiled message catalog (what you get if you run msgfmt on the .po file). I think .gmo might just be another name for that. |
| 21:09.16 | jsmanrique | pb_: do I need to create them? |
| 21:09.19 | pb_ | jsmanrique: you will probably need to add es to LINGUAS (or maybe ALL_LINGUAS) in configure.ac, and rerun some autotools, if you haven't already done that. |
| 21:09.28 | pb_ | jsmanrique: no, the .mo files should be built from the .po automatically. |
| 21:09.34 | jsmanrique | pb_: ok |
| 21:09.47 | jsmanrique | pb_: I'll see the configure.ac |
| 21:11.16 | jsmanrique | pb_: trying now |
| 21:11.46 | florian | oh, these screenshots remind me that ther |
| 21:12.11 | florian | e is some work to do on dillo :-/ |
| 21:12.23 | pb_ | ah yes. |
| 21:17.10 | jsmanrique | I don't know how to make it work |
| 21:18.49 | cmarqu | florian: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24659.png has wrong button order :) |
| 21:19.30 | florian | cmarqu: oh yes, right you are... give me some seconds :-) |
| 21:19.52 | cmarqu | :) |
| 21:21.06 | florian | ok, fixed in source... |
| 21:21.15 | jsmanrique | pb_: could you repeat me the basic steps to make localization for a software? |
| 21:21.29 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/translators.html |
| 21:21.32 | pb_ | jsmanrique: see the translation project web site, there is a list there. |
| 21:21.38 | pb_ | ah, cmarqu was too fast for me :-) |
| 21:21.51 | cmarqu | I just had it open by accident :) |
| 21:21.55 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:22.20 | cmarqu | florian: Oh, and the "Door" button in that applet doesn't close the window. |
| 21:22.44 | jsmanrique | pb_: ok, fighting with figment |
| 21:22.57 | pb_ | jsmanrique: let me take a look at figment and see if I can spot the problem. |
| 21:24.00 | cmarqu | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.11606.png - can some native english speaker reword it so that we emphasize that the password for 'root' is wanted? |
| 21:24.03 | florian | cmarqu: is this 0.0.9-6? |
| 21:24.25 | cmarqu | florian: I think so, from unstable, latest |
| 21:24.48 | cmarqu | Argh. iPAQ froze. |
| 21:25.35 | florian | cmarqu: strange, for me it works (fam0.7-pre10 on a 36xx) |
| 21:26.06 | cmarqu | florian: Let me try again. |
| 21:28.56 | florian | pb_: sound good, my nmf still plays after updating gst-plugins :-) |
| 21:29.01 | pb_ | jsmanrique: ah, not even the German translation of figment works for me. |
| 21:29.07 | pb_ | jsmanrique: seems that some autotools lossage is to blame: |
| 21:29.17 | pb_ | open("/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/figment.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No suc |
| 21:29.19 | pb_ | h file or directory) |
| 21:29.53 | pb_ | and, sure enough, the compile line has: |
| 21:29.55 | pb_ | -DPACKAGE_LOCALE_DIR=\"/share/locale\" |
| 21:32.16 | pb_ | florian: that sounds promising. |
| 21:33.35 | jsmanrique | pb_: thanks, I feel better now :-) |
| 21:35.44 | pb_ | jsmanrique: it looks like $(PREFIX) might be getting lost somewhere, but I am not 1337 enough to know how to fix it. |
| 21:36.23 | florian | gpe-conf network has still some bugs :-/ |
| 21:36.32 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 21:36.45 | jsmanrique | pb_: ok |
| 21:36.48 | cmarqu | florian: while ntpdate is running, you should maybe make the "Get time from network" button insensitive. |
| 21:38.06 | florian | cmarqu: yes, this is true... but therefore i need to change some more - gpe-conf has no idea about when ntpdate has finished |
| 21:38.16 | cmarqu | Oh. Yeah. |
| 21:38.46 | cmarqu | If you change that, then also capture the output in a second notebook page. |
| 21:38.56 | florian | but the colors in gpe-conf storage are correct now :-) |
| 21:39.09 | cmarqu | Oh. |
| 21:39.13 | cmarqu | Yes, cool. |
| 21:40.16 | pb_ | Oh, that reminds me, I should look into that theming thing for the progress bars. |
| 21:40.17 | cmarqu | Oh. I didn't refrain. |
| 21:40.23 | pb_ | Unless someone else has done that already. |
| 21:40.30 | pb_ | cmarqu: doh :-) |
| 21:40.30 | cmarqu | Let me do a scap. |
| 21:45.21 | cmarqu | Ah, mp3 really works. |
| 21:45.41 | pb_ | Great. |
| 21:45.42 | florian | :-) |
| 21:46.55 | nelson | florian: perhaps you should run ntpdate under popen, and keep trying to read one byte out of the pipe? |
| 21:47.00 | cmarqu | Things are getting really usable lately. |
| 21:47.06 | nelson | florian: I've done that with some success under Python. |
| 21:47.28 | cmarqu | My multi-partition CF automounts nicely for instance. |
| 21:47.46 | pb_ | cmarqu: Ah, no longer sixteen times or whatever was happening before? |
| 21:47.49 | nelson | yes, very usable. now if we could only get mallum to make figment more approachable.... |
| 21:48.03 | cmarqu | pb_: No, that seems fixed. |
| 21:48.18 | pb_ | nelson: I see jg filed a bug against figment for the name in its .desktop file. |
| 21:48.25 | florian | nelson: yep, this is a good idea... this should work.... |
| 21:49.40 | nelson | florian: under gtk, it's even trivially easy. Just set an input handler. It'll get called when the program finishes, with zero bytes of input. |
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| 21:50.01 | pb_ | florian: wow, what line length do you use for the changelog in gpe-conf?! |
| 21:50.24 | herzi | may i ask why gpe doesn't use the GNU autotool chain? (or is this an *evil topic*?) |
| 21:50.30 | pb_ | herzi: because it sucks. |
| 21:50.50 | florian | nelson: this i didn't ever use before... maybe a good reason to start with :-) |
| 21:51.24 | nelson | herzi: autotool is painful beyond words. It should die. |
| 21:52.03 | nelson | herzi: I mean, just as a start: why should *everything* have to re-discover the same things? Why not discover them once and write them into a system catalog file? |
| 21:52.20 | nelson | florian: yes, indeed, very good reason. |
| 21:52.30 | herzi | why not build such a system and replace autotools with it? |
| 21:52.42 | florian | pb_: ehh, yes... i noticed that too late that's maybe not a really good idea to put everything into one line.but it fits on my monitor :-).. |
| 21:52.59 | pb_ | florian: heh. I will just have to use a smaller font for editing that file :-) |
| 21:54.01 | florian | pb_: 3 points and it will be ok on a screen with a width of 640 pixels ;-) |
| 21:54.35 | pb_ | florian: aha. well, my screen is 1280 wide, so I can probably find something that will fit. |
| 21:55.17 | pb_ | florian: I checked in a change to make native compiles the default, so I could add it to the all-tree build. |
| 21:56.06 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah, BTW, why did you call that file Makefile.gpe, not just Makefile? |
| 21:56.14 | florian | pb_: yes, ok |
| 21:56.17 | pb_ | cmarqu: Hm, I don't really remember. |
| 21:56.46 | pb_ | florian: If you want to override that locally, you can probably make a GNUmakefile and define it there. |
| 21:57.49 | florian | pb_: btw. i usually use 1400, but i hope to get X run clean on my 320... |
| 21:58.05 | florian | pb_: yep, ok - i'll try |
| 22:05.32 | PaxAnima | hm.. I can't launch gpe-nmf from mbdesktop, but it starts fine in a terminal |
| 22:07.31 | PaxAnima | what gtkrc file is used by the gpe apps? |
| 22:08.59 | cmarqu | ~/.gtkrc-2.0 I think |
| 22:11.04 | PaxAnima | ok |
| 22:14.48 | PaxAnima | hmm.. doesn't seem to work |
| 22:16.00 | PaxAnima | but it is loaded, accrding to a strace |
| 22:19.00 | PaxAnima | why is gpe-nmf just sitting above the dock? why not a full window? |
| 22:19.44 | cmarqu | So that you can hide it more easily I guess. |
| 22:20.07 | PaxAnima | hmm |
| 22:22.39 | PaxAnima | another thing is the icons: the standard dialogs etc. uses too large icons, IMHO... and a lot of spacing should be removed to make things smaller and make it easier to fit more on the screen.... l |
| 22:25.38 | cmarqu | 16x16 is okay IMO. Otherwise, you might get carried away cramming too much on the screen, rather than thinking about clever ways how to implement it. |
| 22:26.58 | PaxAnima | yes, but apps like calendar and contacs seems to be using 24x24 icons |
| 22:27.06 | PaxAnima | if not 32x32 |
| 22:27.07 | PaxAnima | not sure |
| 22:28.38 | cmarqu | Hmm, maybe you are falling prey to this xst problem? |
| 22:28.58 | PaxAnima | what's that? |
| 22:29.12 | cmarqu | It would make (some) icons bigger, and blurry? |
| 22:29.23 | cmarqu | s/?/. |
| 22:29.52 | PaxAnima | well, at least big.. |
| 22:30.53 | PaxAnima | the space problem can be fixed with the proper options in a gtkrc file, like I do for psCalc2 |
| 22:30.54 | cmarqu | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.16141.png -- does yours look like that? |
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| 22:31.54 | dc_ | :D |
| 22:31.58 | cmarqu | Hi dc_ |
| 22:32.00 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18016.png |
| 22:32.03 | PaxAnima | hi, dc_ |
| 22:32.12 | dc_ | hey cmarqu, PaxAnima |
| 22:32.22 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: clearly that problem I'd say |
| 22:32.27 | cmarqu | How was that again... |
| 22:33.19 | cmarqu | "xst write ToolbarSize int 2" or something like that. |
| 22:33.39 | cmarqu | "xst write Gtk/ToolbarSize int 2" better |
| 22:33.44 | dc_ | someone's got a liking for japs on scap ;] |
| 22:34.48 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: didn't help much |
| 22:35.00 | cmarqu | dc_: florian found that gpe-nmf mp3 problem |
| 22:35.04 | dc_ | hrm, looks like mpg playback testing... |
| 22:35.08 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: It's probably the wrong key... |
| 22:35.24 | dc_ | cmarqu: wahay! |
| 22:36.04 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: what does "xst read" give you? |
| 22:36.42 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: Gtk/ToolbarIconSize (integer) 2 |
| 22:36.45 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 22:36.55 | cmarqu | Must do it as the user. |
| 22:36.57 | dc_ | wahay, my c700 and extra battery has been sent. |
| 22:36.57 | dc_ | plus... |
| 22:36.59 | cmarqu | Of course. |
| 22:37.04 | dc_ | my satellite will be install on saturday |
| 22:37.19 | cmarqu | dc_: Heard about it, cool |
| 22:37.21 | dc_ | just in time for easter holidays :D |
| 22:37.36 | dc_ | :) |
| 22:37.55 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: that was bette |
| 22:38.14 | PaxAnima | dc_: haven't you talked about your c700 and satellite for ages? ;) |
| 22:38.54 | PaxAnima | cmarqu: how? |
| 22:39.11 | cmarqu | xst write MATCHBOX/DesktopFont (string) Sans-10 |
| 22:39.14 | cmarqu | Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 22:39.27 | cmarqu | xst write MATCHBOX/DesktopFont str Sans-10 is the right syntax |
| 22:39.34 | PaxAnima | ah |
| 22:39.40 | cmarqu | So why not just use this for xst read too? |
| 22:40.40 | moray | cmarqu: well, the brackets are confusing your shell before they even get to xst, but yes |
| 22:40.49 | cmarqu | Anyway. Night. |
| 22:40.55 | cmarqu | moray: Yup. |
| 22:41.13 | cmarqu | string vs. str is my complaint then :) |
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| 22:41.51 | PaxAnima | night, cmarqu |
| 22:46.02 | dc__ | hummmm |
| 22:46.15 | dc__ | time for me to order my new airport extreme base station :D |
| 22:51.03 | moray | dc__: did you work out yet if you can go to GUADEC? |
| 22:51.33 | *** join/#gpe dc___ (~dc@modem-77-54-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 22:54.40 | moray | dc__: did you work out yet if you can go to GUADEC? [already asked, but I'm assuming you'd already fallen off...] |
| 22:56.53 | moray | dc___: are you actually there yet? |
| 23:01.51 | pb_ | cmarqu: good thinking, I'll make xst read output the same format that write expects. |
| 23:26.40 | pb_ | suck, my X server has grown to 500MB again. |
| 23:27.27 | pb_ | anybody remember how to use that resource-auditing server extension? |
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| 23:37.34 | pb__ | heh |
| 23:37.42 | pb__ | turns out irssi was the guilty program. |
| 23:37.49 | pigeon | pb__: yo |
| 23:37.52 | pb__ | pigeon: yo! |
| 23:38.11 | pigeon | pb__: how's fam 0.7? Just wondering... |
| 23:38.37 | pb__ | pigeon: latest pre-release (pre10) seems good. |
| 23:38.53 | pigeon | I still haven't reflashed my ipaq... |
| 23:38.59 | pigeon | Might as well wait for 0.7 ;) |
| 23:39.29 | pb__ | Right, yeah. I think the 0.7 release is close now. |
| 23:40.37 | pb__ | Looking at the list of blockers in bugzilla, only a very few issues are left. |
| 23:44.43 | pigeon | pb__: Apparently my blood test reckons I'm just normal :( |
| 23:45.05 | pb__ | pigeon: Ha. |
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