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| 07:32.38 | florian | hi all! |
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| 09:33.56 | mallum | arg, silly cvs. anyone know how I can get it to sync my unstable branch with head with out trying to merge it, just letting head overite everything ? |
| 09:34.09 | mallum | or how I can kill an entrie branch |
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| 10:39.40 | florian | PaxAnima: pb: hi |
| 10:40.41 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 10:41.44 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 10:41.52 | pb_ | hi paxanima |
| 10:54.50 | florian | The ipkg in unstable is really bad :-( |
| 10:55.30 | florian | status information seems to be broken... |
| 10:56.39 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 10:59.11 | florian | hmm... i don't know who broke it, but i think the problem is my status file. |
| 10:59.55 | florian | i think it could be possible that an aborted operation broke it... |
| 11:00.55 | pb_ | ah. ipkg does try to avoid that, but it's not totally foolproof. |
| 11:03.00 | florian | yep, i think that was the same problem that dc ran into trying to abort the installation of dasher last weekend. |
| 11:03.17 | pb_ | yes, could be. |
| 11:05.19 | pb_ | yeah, I think jamey and TMM1 are working on that already. |
| 11:06.35 | florian | ah, great... this would make some things much easier... |
| 11:07.58 | pb_ | yeah, indeed. |
| 11:11.19 | mallum | yeah a libipkg would be cool |
| 11:14.15 | florian | really... a _working_ gui package manager half as colorful as the opie one would be great :-) |
| 11:16.32 | florian | how are timezones handled in familiar? |
| 11:18.12 | pb_ | kind of ugly. there's a timezones feed which contains the data files. |
| 11:19.00 | pb_ | an alternative, which would probably be nearly as good for most people, would be to encode the timezone information into the TZ variable. |
| 11:22.02 | spung | pb_: why are the gpe-calendar icons so big? |
| 11:22.32 | pb_ | spung: dunno. of which icons do you speak? |
| 11:22.49 | spung | pb_: toolbar ones |
| 11:23.02 | spung | ah |
| 11:23.06 | spung | they're big in every app |
| 11:23.15 | spung | they don't fit the 240 width |
| 11:23.22 | pb_ | xst write Gtk/ToolbarIconSize int 2 |
| 11:23.24 | pb_ | or 1 |
| 11:24.43 | florian | i think this could be enough... but i'm not shure how the system interacts with this. |
| 11:25.41 | spung | pb_: gpe-calendar seems to have to much padding in that new event window, don't you think? |
| 11:25.49 | pb_ | spung: yes, I agreed. |
| 11:25.52 | pb_ | er, I agree |
| 11:26.03 | florian | timezone definitions for a TZ are really small and most of them could be generated on the fly... |
| 11:26.46 | pb_ | florian: yes. A lot of the data in the "full" timezones relates to historic DST policies. While this is required if you want fully accurate data, most people are not going to care. |
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| 11:28.17 | spung | pb_: :| http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18905.png |
| 11:28.45 | florian | pb_: hm yes - i looked at the timezone data of my local debian installation... i think most people would care about 500K timezone data on their handheld device :-/ |
| 11:30.36 | pb_ | spung: nasty. suggest you take it up with chrisime. |
| 11:30.52 | spung | ok |
| 11:30.57 | florian | :-) |
| 11:31.03 | spung | chrisime_: !!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:31.06 | spung | :)) |
| 11:31.24 | pb_ | florian: quite. All you really need is the base offset from UTC, and details of the modern-day DST policies (which are normally pretty straightforward in most territories). |
| 11:32.58 | florian | pb_: some other settings could be added to TZ (e.g. the date if DST changing) |
| 11:33.13 | pb_ | florian: I think there's already a syntax for that, though it might be a uclibc-specific extension. |
| 11:33.37 | chrisime_ | spung, jo? |
| 11:33.59 | florian | is /etc/profile the correct place to set the system wide TZ ? |
| 11:34.00 | chrisime_ | spung, waddamadda |
| 11:34.17 | spung | chrisime_: wats da problem wid dis http://handhelds.org/scap/port.18905.png |
| 11:34.36 | florian | pb_: yes, i saw this some time ago on... an AIX machine.... |
| 11:34.46 | chrisime_ | spung, theme problem |
| 11:34.53 | chrisime_ | spung, that's what pb_ told me |
| 11:35.03 | chrisime_ | spung, i saw a working version |
| 11:35.13 | spung | chrisime_: maybe an earlier version? |
| 11:35.30 | spung | chrisime_: btw, you added too much padding in the new event window |
| 11:35.30 | chrisime_ | nope |
| 11:35.38 | chrisime_ | spung, much? |
| 11:35.41 | pb_ | florian: yes, I think /etc/profile is probably the place. |
| 11:35.50 | spung | chrisime_: probably looks good on the desktop but sucks on the ipaq |
| 11:35.53 | pb_ | florian: though we'd have to check that it gets sourced in xsession somehow. |
| 11:35.56 | chrisime_ | gpe_get_border() gpe_get_box...() |
| 11:36.16 | chrisime_ | spung, that's the border/padding it needs |
| 11:36.28 | spung | i don't know about that |
| 11:36.34 | chrisime_ | spung, ask pb_ |
| 11:36.38 | spung | i'm just saying that there's definetly too much padding |
| 11:36.47 | chrisime_ | spung, i see it |
| 11:36.48 | spung | 11:32 <pb_> spung: nasty. suggest you take it up with chrisime. |
| 11:36.52 | spung | 11:38 <chrisime_> spung, ask pb_ |
| 11:36.55 | spung | i see a loop here |
| 11:37.02 | chrisime_ | omg |
| 11:37.06 | cmarqu_werk | spung: Where exactly too much spacing/padding? |
| 11:37.20 | chrisime_ | pb_, why does it work with your theme and no with spung's |
| 11:37.31 | spung | cmarqu_werk: calendar's new event window |
| 11:37.41 | spung | cmarqu_werk: too much padding vertically |
| 11:38.06 | florian | pb_: that would imply that someone would need to relog to activate the new settings |
| 11:38.06 | pb_ | I think you might be overusing the border_width setting. |
| 11:38.28 | pb_ | florian: yes, that would suck. |
| 11:38.48 | chrisime_ | pb_, that sounds strange. since it works and then it doesn't work |
| 11:39.16 | cmarqu_werk | Yeah, looks like it. The spacing accessor functions are meant to be used in place of the absolute values the HIG specifies. The HIG just doesn't use them everywhere, they have to make sense for the widget you apply them to. |
| 11:39.37 | pb_ | fr'example: |
| 11:39.40 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.41 | florian | pb_: at least a little bit :-/ but better than nothing... |
| 11:39.53 | pb_ | I don't think it's appropriate to set the border on every box widget in there. |
| 11:40.05 | chrisime_ | pb_, i'm using gpe_get_border() there |
| 11:40.20 | chrisime_ | i need to check it out with an ipaq |
| 11:40.27 | chrisime_ | i hope i'll get one next week |
| 11:40.47 | pb_ | yes, I know. But I don't think you should be setting the border on that widget at all. |
| 11:40.59 | chrisime_ | pb_, i need to check out where |
| 11:41.05 | chrisime_ | i can't remove it from every widget |
| 11:41.15 | pb_ | however, I'm not 1337 HIG dude. Colin would be the man to advise on these things. |
| 11:41.20 | chrisime_ | it's hard to figure out without ipaqs |
| 11:41.33 | pb_ | it should look just the same on your desktop if you run it at 240x320. |
| 11:41.42 | pb_ | btw, http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23138.png is what I see. |
| 11:41.59 | pb_ | I think there is too much vertical space around the "Summary" box. |
| 11:42.30 | spung | pb_: wasn't that a libgtk issue? |
| 11:42.54 | spung | the width of the dropdown things |
| 11:43.00 | pb_ | Also, on my ipaq the white gtktextview is indistinguishable from the grey background, which looks a bit odd. I think we should have the theme add a border around that widget. |
| 11:43.09 | chrisime_ | pb_, too much?? |
| 11:43.10 | pb_ | spung: the width of gtkentry is a theme issue. what theme are you using? |
| 11:43.15 | pb_ | chrisime_: yes, too much. |
| 11:43.16 | florian | ok, need to go.... bbl |
| 11:43.20 | pb_ | florian: later |
| 11:43.36 | chrisime_ | pb_, vertical? that comes from something else but i can fix this |
| 11:44.26 | pb_ | chrisime_: ah, ok |
| 11:44.41 | pb_ | like I say, might be an idea to discuss it with cmarqu{_werk}. |
| 11:44.46 | chrisime_ | yes |
| 11:44.52 | chrisime_ | it needs discussion |
| 11:44.53 | chrisime_ | i agree |
| 11:45.24 | pb_ | the recurrence box also has a problem; the radio buttons don't all fit on one line. |
| 11:46.28 | chrisime_ | pb_, i need to fix that |
| 11:46.30 | chrisime_ | i know |
| 11:48.05 | spung | pb_: ok, i changed my font and now i do get the same as you |
| 11:48.12 | pb_ | ok |
| 11:48.52 | spung | pb_: btw, two things we should get a way of displaying the whole date "03/27/0" is weird.. |
| 11:49.27 | spung | and, how do i change mm/dd/yy to dd/mm/yy .. mm/dd/yy confuses me SO MUCH! |
| 11:49.37 | spung | i thought the default (C) locale was dd/mm/yy |
| 11:50.15 | pb_ | If you install the portugese locale (or any other than C and en_US) you should get dd/mm/yy. |
| 11:50.43 | pb_ | btw, http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13214.png shows the recurrence problem quite clearly. |
| 11:50.56 | spung | this one's even worse |
| 11:50.58 | spung | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14826.png |
| 11:51.44 | pb_ | for example, in http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17440.png you can see it is trying to display the dates in the right format, though they don't quite fit. |
| 11:52.20 | pb_ | heh, yes. I don't know what's going on with that one, it looks like some packing options are wrong. Talk to chrisime again. |
| 11:52.34 | spung | chrisime_: | |
| 11:52.56 | spung | pb_: i installed the pt locale but i can't select it in gpe-login |
| 11:53.27 | pb_ | strange, /etc/gpe/locale.alias does have an entry for portugese. |
| 11:53.31 | pb_ | "Portuguese"pt_PT |
| 11:53.34 | pb_ | that's right, yeah? |
| 11:53.49 | spung | yeah, i think so |
| 11:54.00 | pb_ | do you get all the other languages listed in the gpe-login menu? |
| 11:54.04 | spung | $ cat /etc/gpe/locale.alias |
| 11:54.04 | spung | "English" en |
| 11:54.05 | spung | "Portuguese" pt_PT |
| 11:54.11 | spung | pb_: no |
| 11:54.24 | pb_ | ah. and you have the latest gpe-login, presumably. |
| 11:54.34 | pb_ | that'd be version 0.48 |
| 11:54.58 | pb_ | I guess you have to take this up with paul. |
| 11:55.04 | spung | ahh it failed |
| 11:55.06 | spung | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/gpe-login2_0.48_arm.ipk |
| 11:55.09 | spung | Upgrading gpe-login2 on root from 0.44 to 0.48... |
| 11:55.11 | spung | Package gpe-login2 wants to install file /etc/gpe/locale.alias |
| 11:55.14 | spung | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.16 | spung | Please move this file out of the way and try again. |
| 11:55.19 | spung | update_mime_db: No such file or directory |
| 11:55.21 | spung | postinst script returned status 127 |
| 11:55.24 | spung | ERROR: gpe-gallery.postinst returned 127 |
| 11:55.26 | spung | nevermind |
| 11:55.29 | spung | duh |
| 11:55.29 | spung | <note to self> read error message before pasting |
| 11:55.59 | pb_ | ah :-) |
| 11:56.02 | spung | those postinst errors are weird tho |
| 11:56.19 | pb_ | yeah, need to rm /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gpe-gallery.postinst |
| 11:56.29 | pb_ | seems to be an ipkg bug. |
| 11:57.11 | cmarqu_werk | chrisime_: It really helps to set the spacing values to about ten times their normal size (for developing on the desktop) and then check for unwanted spacing. |
| 11:59.57 | spung | pb_: gpe-todo shows up as "Lista de tarefas" in mmenu, "Lista de" in desktop (i'll change it to "Tarefas") and gpe-todo itself is all in english :\ |
| 12:00.36 | pb_ | spung: be sure that gpe-todo-pt is installed. |
| 12:00.38 | spung | also, nor mmenu nor desktop like "Calenda'rio" as they show "Calend" |
| 12:00.56 | pb_ | you'd have to talk to mallum about the mbmenu and desktop behaviour. |
| 12:01.17 | spung | pb_: i thought that those should install themselves automagically? |
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| 12:01.33 | pb_ | spung: yes, but at present it only works for packages that are installed after the locale. |
| 12:02.14 | pb_ | I think we can fix that, but at the moment you will need to install them by hand for packages that were already on your machine. |
| 12:02.27 | spung | ok, np |
| 12:02.39 | spung | mallum: ping |
| 12:03.54 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Does the set-language-per-user feature work for you? |
| 12:04.04 | spung | pb_: beautiful :) http://handhelds.org/scap/port.10969.png |
| 12:04.12 | mallum | spung: whats up ? |
| 12:04.19 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: I only have one user on my machine, so I'm not sure. But it does remember my locale selection across sessions. |
| 12:04.20 | spung | ugly typo in "Descricaoo" lol |
| 12:04.52 | pb_ | spung: cool. |
| 12:05.55 | spung | pb_: we could get rid of the "at" label don't you think? |
| 12:06.29 | spung | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13296.png - any idea why i get Calend instead of "Calenda'rio" |
| 12:06.55 | spung | mallum: it might not be a matchbox issue because i also get weird stuff on the command like |
| 12:07.00 | spung | some gettext bug maybe |
| 12:07.26 | mallum | spung: whats in gpe-calendar.desktop ? |
| 12:07.38 | mallum | spung: it could be matchbox |
| 12:09.17 | spung | Name[pt]=Calendário |
| 12:10.01 | mallum | spung: and that .desktop file is utf8 encoded ? |
| 12:10.11 | spung | mallum: i don't think so |
| 12:10.19 | spung | pb_: it isn't is it? |
| 12:12.50 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Remembering between sessions works, but if I select "Deutsch" for my normal user, then changing the user to root keeps that setting. I thought paul showed us that the two widgets were connected now. |
| 12:13.04 | mallum | spung: if the file is utf8, it should work and it maybe broken |
| 12:13.29 | spung | mallum: it if it were utf8 would cat show it properly? |
| 12:14.08 | mallum | spung: I dont know |
| 12:14.13 | spung | gpe-edit says it has errors |
| 12:14.38 | cmarqu_werk | Guess not, it would show two bytes in a non-UTF8 locale |
| 12:14.49 | spung | it's not utf8 then |
| 12:15.07 | spung | i guess that is Makefile.translation bug |
| 12:15.53 | mallum | spung: it needs to be utf8 for mbmenu to use it correctly |
| 12:21.48 | cmarqu_werk | Seems Makefile.translation doesn't do conversion for desktop files at all. Which is probably alright since it cannot really know the initial encoding (unlike with po files which specify it explicitly) |
| 12:23.51 | moray | I'm not sure what the current state is intended to be, but I can't see why in the future we'd want to create new GPE files in non-UTF-8 encodings? |
| 12:24.03 | cmarqu_werk | spung: Do the iconv part in the .po.po8 target from Makefile.translation manually. |
| 12:25.37 | cmarqu_werk | moray: The makefile accomodates translators for po files (which might not easily be able to create UTF-8) by converting them to UTF-8 is necessary, but it cannot do so for desktop files. |
| 12:25.49 | spung | cmarqu_werk: why? |
| 12:25.55 | cmarqu_werk | s/is/if/ |
| 12:25.56 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: The strings for the .desktop file come from the .po, so the encoding is known. |
| 12:26.02 | spung | pb_: indeed |
| 12:26.20 | cmarqu_werk | Ah. Oh. |
| 12:26.26 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: It should be recoding them to utf-8 when creating the .desktop (or extracting them from .po8 rather than .po). If that's not happening, it would be a bug. |
| 12:26.48 | cmarqu_werk | I guess I just never looked at German desktop files. |
| 12:31.13 | pb_ | Ah, looks like we should just add -u to the intltool invocation. |
| 12:31.25 | pb_ | I'll make that change, but we will obviously need to regenerate all the affected translation packages. |
| 12:32.23 | pb_ | s/translation // |
| 12:32.42 | pb_ | right, that's in cvs now. spung, would you care to respin gpe-todo and see if it clears up the problem? |
| 12:33.00 | spung | pb_: how? |
| 12:33.13 | spung | pb_: make a new package? |
| 12:33.15 | pb_ | yeah |
| 12:33.16 | spung | ok |
| 12:33.33 | pb_ | or just "make gpe-todo.desktop", copy it to the ipaq by hand, and check that it works. |
| 12:33.42 | spung | if the ipaq cluster is working |
| 12:33.43 | spung | ahh |
| 12:33.45 | mallum | spung: if mbmenu/desktop still dont display them correctly it should be easy to fix |
| 12:33.46 | spung | that'd be better |
| 12:33.46 | spung | :) |
| 12:34.19 | spung | pb_: gpe-todo hasn't got funny characters |
| 12:34.27 | spung | gpe-calendar would be better |
| 12:34.29 | pb_ | spung: oh, whichever package it was that was affected then. |
| 12:35.21 | spung | what does P Makefile.translation mean? |
| 12:36.10 | pb_ | that file was updated. |
| 12:36.12 | pb_ | P = patch |
| 12:36.21 | spung | oh I see |
| 12:36.34 | spung | makes sense |
| 12:38.03 | spung | pb_, mallum, cmarqu_werk: working :) |
| 12:38.12 | pb_ | spung: rock! |
| 12:39.58 | mallum | spung: cool :-) |
| 13:00.59 | PaxAnima | mallum, pb_: what do you brits define as "afternoon"? |
| 13:02.13 | spung | PaxAnima: noon and after ? |
| 13:02.14 | spung | :) |
| 13:03.05 | PaxAnima | spung: :)= |
| 13:03.13 | pb_ | quite so. |
| 13:03.31 | pb_ | 12pm until about 6pm would be afternoon, I guess. |
| 13:03.42 | PaxAnima | pb_: ok |
| 13:04.48 | spung | well, discrete mathematics at 1400 , bath time |
| 13:04.52 | spung | can think dirty |
| 13:04.56 | spung | can't think dirty |
| 13:04.58 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:05.02 | spung | (freudian slip) |
| 13:05.10 | spung | slip? |
| 13:05.12 | spung | omg |
| 13:06.23 | spung | yeah, slip.. sounded funny |
| 13:27.17 | chrisime_ | pb_, cmarqu_werk, spung sorry. was on the phne |
| 14:04.31 | pb_ | chrisime_: would you like to look at this issue with reminders? |
| 14:04.53 | pb_ | that's http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14826.png in case you missed it earlier |
| 14:11.12 | chrisime_ | moment |
| 14:11.36 | chrisime_ | pb_, that sucks |
| 14:11.41 | chrisime_ | wtf is wrong |
| 14:12.53 | pb_ | I would guess you are missing an EXPAND flag. |
| 14:13.06 | chrisime_ | hmm |
| 14:13.10 | chrisime_ | lemme check |
| 14:15.14 | chrisime_ | yep |
| 14:15.16 | chrisime_ | gtk_table_attach (GTK_TABLE (datetimetable), datelabel, 0, 1, 0, 1, |
| 14:15.16 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.16 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.16 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.30 | chrisime_ | who did that GTK_FILL | GTK_EXPAND | GTK_SHRINK |
| 14:15.40 | chrisime_ | it's in the other table |
| 14:15.44 | chrisime_ | i could do the same here |
| 14:15.50 | pb_ | sounds like a good idea. |
| 14:15.55 | chrisime_ | ok |
| 14:16.08 | chrisime_ | pb_, so it chosses automagically what to do |
| 14:16.12 | pb_ | but the label probably doesn't want those flags. |
| 14:16.16 | chrisime_ | right? |
| 14:16.20 | pb_ | right. |
| 14:16.23 | chrisime_ | aha |
| 14:16.27 | pb_ | so, put 0, 0 for the first line |
| 14:16.43 | pb_ | and GTK_FILL | GTK_EXPAND | GTK_SHRINK in the second line. |
| 14:17.00 | chrisime_ | there won't be a space then |
| 14:17.01 | chrisime_ | but ok |
| 14:17.17 | pb_ | if you want a space, you should obtain it by some other means. |
| 14:17.39 | pb_ | setting the FILL flag means that if the window is really wide, there will be a lot of blank space around the label, which looks strange. |
| 14:19.28 | chrisime_ | ok |
| 14:21.19 | chrisime_ | ok |
| 14:21.26 | chrisime_ | now it doesn't have any boxspacing |
| 14:21.33 | chrisime_ | i'll send you a diff |
| 14:23.15 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 14:23.44 | chrisime_ | sent |
| 14:23.50 | chrisime_ | have to grab some food |
| 14:23.51 | chrisime_ | brb |
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| 14:29.48 | pb_ | Uh, you are still setting the FILL flags on the labels in the left hand column. |
| 14:29.59 | pb_ | hi dave |
| 14:30.46 | dneuer | hey pb_ |
| 14:35.11 | pb_ | managed to upgrade bootldr on your h3100? |
| 14:35.22 | dneuer | no, passed out early last night |
| 14:40.04 | chrisime_ | pb_, oh |
| 14:40.38 | chrisime_ | pb_, EXPAND | FILL |
| 14:40.51 | chrisime_ | i thought that was what you wanted |
| 14:41.46 | pb_ | no, I think the labels should have zero flags. |
| 14:42.01 | chrisime_ | ah ok |
| 14:42.10 | chrisime_ | i will check that out on my laptop |
| 14:42.15 | pb_ | ok. |
| 14:42.45 | chrisime_ | unfortunately it looks different here |
| 14:42.51 | pb_ | btw, don't forget a changelog if you send me another diff. |
| 14:42.54 | pb_ | different in what way? |
| 14:43.05 | chrisime_ | pb_, there's more resolution ;) |
| 14:43.09 | chrisime_ | pb_, yeah changelog |
| 14:43.25 | pb_ | er, the resolution shouldn't matter. |
| 14:44.12 | chrisime_ | i have 1024 here compared to 320 ;) |
| 14:44.20 | chrisime_ | xnest doesn't help everywhere |
| 14:44.46 | pb_ | well, just because your screen is 1024 pixels across doesn't mean you have to make the window that big. |
| 14:45.29 | chrisime_ | i'll just say gtk_table_attach_default then |
| 14:45.30 | chrisime_ | ok? |
| 14:45.32 | chrisime_ | for the labels |
| 14:45.48 | mallum | chrisime_: you have X 4.3 ? |
| 14:45.59 | chrisime_ | sure |
| 14:46.18 | pb_ | I'm not sure what the defaults are, you'd need to check. |
| 14:46.31 | mallum | chrisime_: use Xnest for a small display, or drop your screen resoltuion down to 320x240 with xrandr |
| 14:46.54 | chrisime_ | mallum,xandr |
| 14:46.55 | chrisime_ | how ;) |
| 14:46.59 | chrisime_ | there's no gnome tool |
| 14:47.06 | mallum | try xrandr -o 1 |
| 14:47.16 | chrisime_ | pb_, i need to specify a flag in gtk_table_attach |
| 14:47.21 | pb_ | chrisime_: use zero |
| 14:47.57 | mallum | chrisime_: sorry its -s num I thing, do a xrandr no args to see supported |
| 14:48.10 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.10 | chrisime_ | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 14:48.11 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.11 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.11 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.11 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.16 | mallum | chrisime_: I dont seem to have a working xrandr on this machine to test |
| 14:48.28 | mallum | chrisime_: -s 0 or 1 |
| 14:48.28 | chrisime_ | pb_, NULL you mean |
| 14:48.33 | pb_ | chrisime_: no, I mean 0 |
| 14:48.55 | chrisime_ | aah |
| 14:48.57 | chrisime_ | works |
| 14:49.00 | chrisime_ | -1 too |
| 14:49.04 | chrisime_ | but it gets smaller |
| 14:49.11 | chrisime_ | pb_, ok |
| 14:52.03 | chrisime_ | 0 looks strange on the desktop |
| 14:53.01 | chrisime_ | pb_, 0,0 for the label is bad |
| 14:54.19 | chrisime_ | pb_, www.gnome.org/~chrisime/random/pix/GPE.png |
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| 14:56.20 | chrisime_ | pb_, the font's too big in xnest |
| 14:57.59 | moray | chrisime_: ... change the font size then? |
| 14:58.18 | moray | chrisime_: (or, possibly, the DPI of the device) |
| 14:58.41 | chrisime_ | moray, how |
| 14:58.47 | chrisime_ | can i chage the dpi |
| 15:00.58 | moray | chrisime_: can Xnest take a '-dpi ' parameter? |
| 15:02.48 | chrisime_ | yes |
| 15:03.00 | chrisime_ | -dpi int screen resolution in dots per inch |
| 15:03.47 | moray | that should help then ;) |
| 15:04.02 | chrisime_ | dpi 10000 ? |
| 15:04.04 | chrisime_ | dpi 10 |
| 15:04.04 | moray | otherwise, just change the GTK font size down a bit |
| 15:04.09 | chrisime_ | which value |
| 15:04.37 | moray | 100 or 75 used to be traditional, my own monitor here is 84 by 86 |
| 15:05.13 | chrisime_ | hm |
| 15:05.15 | moray | (the GNOME font rendering details dialogue will show you your current setting) |
| 15:05.19 | chrisime_ | i think this one has 100 |
| 15:05.36 | chrisime_ | yup |
| 15:05.37 | chrisime_ | 100 |
| 15:05.46 | chrisime_ | but xnest doesn't start anymore now |
| 15:05.50 | chrisime_ | i had that last time, too |
| 15:06.11 | moray | to make the fonts smaller you'd want to increase the value you passed to Xnest presumably |
| 15:06.25 | moray | (in proportion to the scaling you want) |
| 15:06.45 | chrisime_ | ah now |
| 15:06.56 | moray | is it just using your normal font size setting, though? |
| 15:07.18 | mallum | chrisime_: if you've exported your display to something else, then try and restart xnest in that same serm it wont work |
| 15:07.35 | mallum | chrisime_: do like 'DISPLAY=:0 Xnest :1 ....' |
| 15:08.21 | chrisime_ | i noticed :) |
| 15:08.40 | chrisime_ | moray, the font size isn't smaller now |
| 15:09.48 | moray | chrisime_: your GTK DPI setting may be overriding what Xnest is telling GTK, I suppose |
| 15:10.11 | mallum | chrisime_: try export XFT_DPI=xxx before starting the gtk app |
| 15:10.42 | chrisime_ | ok |
| 15:11.27 | cmarqu_werk | chrisime_: If you figure it out, please update the end of http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/GpeHacking |
| 15:12.04 | chrisime_ | it doesn't work |
| 15:12.22 | chrisime_ | cmarqu_werk, well, i'm not experienced at all in these thing |
| 15:12.23 | chrisime_ | s |
| 15:16.34 | chrisime_ | cmarqu i'm using another X session now |
| 15:16.45 | chrisime_ | with matchbox and xrandr -s 5 |
| 15:17.28 | chrisime_ | font looks funny now |
| 15:17.31 | chrisime_ | damn small |
| 15:22.06 | chrisime_ | uhm |
| 15:22.34 | chrisime_ | pb_, without an ipaq it's hard for me. i'll ask my boss for an ipaq next week |
| 15:25.03 | mallum | chrisime_: go out and thieve one |
| 15:25.25 | chrisime_ | yeah |
| 15:25.40 | chrisime_ | pb_, i cannot really fix that issue atm |
| 15:25.43 | chrisime_ | until next week |
| 15:25.47 | chrisime_ | pb_, sorry :( |
| 15:28.11 | mallum | chrisime_: I started writing a little xrandr gnome panel app :-) |
| 15:29.12 | pb_ | ok |
| 15:29.33 | chrisime_ | mallum, oh |
| 15:29.36 | chrisime_ | where's it |
| 15:29.46 | moray | mallum: (obviously if you steal an ipaq then put GPE on it you've done good overall ;) |
| 15:29.54 | chrisime_ | lol |
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| 15:32.30 | chrisime_ | mallum, mb is nice BTW. i could dump metacity ;) |
| 15:34.45 | mallum | chrisime_: thanks :-) metacity is a bit better for desktop use though :-) |
| 15:34.59 | mallum | chrisime_: and does alot more stuff than matchbox |
| 15:35.15 | mallum | chrisime_: but not some stuff ;-) |
| 15:35.36 | mallum | chrisime_: I plan to patch metacity soon to support software keyboards better |
| 15:35.42 | chrisime_ | mallum, it has some annoying features |
| 15:35.48 | chrisime_ | but ok, metacity works |
| 15:36.32 | chrisime_ | the current code in oro is a mess |
| 15:36.49 | mallum | chrisime_: yeah the oroburus guy used to hand in out in debian-ppc |
| 15:37.00 | PaxAnima | oroborus? |
| 15:37.03 | chrisime_ | oro is small |
| 15:37.08 | mallum | chrisime_: did metacity handle xrandr for you ? |
| 15:37.13 | chrisime_ | not so big like metacity |
| 15:37.19 | mallum | chrisime_: what sort of binary size is it ? |
| 15:37.24 | chrisime_ | mallum, how can i notice that? |
| 15:37.34 | chrisime_ | mallum, bin size: around 70 kb |
| 15:37.47 | mallum | chrisime_: comparable to a 'fat' matchbox then |
| 15:37.56 | chrisime_ | fat? |
| 15:38.06 | mallum | chrisime_: matchbox has alot of compile time options |
| 15:38.18 | chrisime_ | 97603 |
| 15:38.23 | mallum | chrisime_: the one in familiar has everything turned on |
| 15:38.24 | chrisime_ | yeah |
| 15:38.36 | chrisime_ | that might be the reason |
| 15:38.45 | chrisime_ | but it's still smaller compared to metacity |
| 15:38.52 | mallum | chrisime_: so getting quite beefy, but you can turn things off and get it down to < 50k |
| 15:39.03 | chrisime_ | 442848 |
| 15:39.23 | chrisime_ | 4.5 x mb |
| 15:39.26 | mallum | woah metacity is big |
| 15:39.28 | chrisime_ | yeah |
| 15:39.34 | chrisime_ | hence pango/gtk/... |
| 15:39.44 | chrisime_ | oro needs xlib. nothing more |
| 15:40.56 | chrisime_ | pb_, you can apply the diff for now. i think it partly solves the issue |
| 15:41.53 | mallum | chrisime_: yeah matchbox can do just xlib but pretty boring then :-) |
| 15:42.08 | chrisime_ | mallum, oro: 75592 |
| 15:42.13 | mallum | chrisime_: does orobus have freedesktop.org support ? that bloats things out a bit |
| 15:42.16 | chrisime_ | yes |
| 15:42.19 | chrisime_ | it has |
| 15:42.35 | mallum | oh thats cool |
| 15:42.53 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.53 | chrisime_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.57 | chrisime_ | that's why it's bigger |
| 15:43.04 | mallum | blackbox used to be my fave, thats actually pretty well written |
| 15:43.04 | chrisime_ | it normally has 50kb |
| 15:43.20 | mallum | right |
| 15:43.36 | mallum | I was wondering how small you could make a wm, and weather <10k would be possible :-) |
| 15:43.44 | mallum | obviously it would be very basic |
| 15:43.44 | chrisime_ | mallum, dreamind (oro author) plans to rewrite it in C++ |
| 15:43.54 | chrisime_ | mallum, right |
| 15:43.56 | mallum | ewe :( |
| 15:44.01 | chrisime_ | take twm ;) |
| 15:44.24 | chrisime_ | mallum, well, the choice was c, objc, c++, ocaml |
| 15:44.35 | chrisime_ | he didn't like to rewrite it in c |
| 15:44.45 | chrisime_ | because it already resulted in a mess |
| 15:45.22 | mallum | yeah matchbox is done in a c++ style with c. some bits are nice, so bits not so :-) Im pretty pleased with the overall source structure though |
| 15:45.42 | chrisime_ | mallum, pseudo-oo you mean |
| 15:45.54 | mallum | yeah |
| 15:46.15 | mallum | only in a basic way, struct with callbacks to method etc |
| 15:46.58 | chrisime_ | like in glib/gtk? |
| 15:48.04 | mallum | yeah but not quite as advanced |
| 15:48.18 | mallum | some of the gtk c tricks are pretty clever |
| 15:49.22 | chrisime_ | can you explain me how it basically works |
| 15:49.27 | chrisime_ | i never investigated it |
| 15:51.56 | mallum | chrisime_: read the developer docs on xine site, that explains it in a basic way |
| 15:56.12 | chrisime_ | k |
| 16:04.18 | chrisime_ | mallum, d'you mean that: Object oriented programming in c |
| 16:09.33 | pb_ | chrisime_: from that screenshot I am not convinced you are setting flags to 0 for both labels. |
| 16:10.48 | chrisime_ | i did |
| 16:13.02 | pb_ | ok. I guess I will look at it later. I'm not going to apply your current patch right now, though. |
| 16:13.31 | chrisime_ | thx |
| 16:13.43 | chrisime_ | sorry that i cannot help more atm |
| 16:13.51 | pb_ | sure, not a problem. |
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| 16:18.27 | florian | hi |
| 16:18.56 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 16:19.36 | cmarqu_werk | Hi florian |
| 16:19.47 | chrisime_ | hoi florian |
| 16:27.14 | florian | is there another x86->arm crosscompiling toolchain with gtk2x support than Nils one? |
| 16:29.03 | pb_ | dunno. I think spung was trying to arrange one with Debian packages, but I don't know how far he got. |
| 16:34.02 | mallum | florian: you could build gtk 'packages' for OZ buildroot and use that to cross compile |
| 16:35.52 | florian | I'm able to crosscompile all gpe programs i tried and some other stuff... except prismstumbler :-( |
| 16:39.09 | florian | mallum: the idea is good - but i have no experiance with this... seems to be much work for a small test |
| 16:40.01 | mallum | florian: yes, it already have glib2 so I wouldn't have expected it to take that long |
| 16:40.17 | mallum | florian: and it would move GPE a step closer to running on the zaurus :-) |
| 16:40.26 | pb_ | florian: remind me what goes wrong with prismstumbler? is that the one that segfaults in mysterious fashion? |
| 16:42.04 | florian | pb_: yep, that's it |
| 16:45.45 | florian | mallum: i'll try to find out how this works... |
| 16:57.41 | pb_ | florian: is prismstumbler up to date in cvs? maybe I can have a go at building it. |
| 17:16.33 | florian | pb_: no, definitely not - i'm not shure if Jan already created a repository for it. i could give you a tar of my current devel tree - but this one is horrible... |
| 17:17.37 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 17:20.44 | florian | brb |
| 17:53.10 | florian | re |
| 18:26.48 | spung | florian: http://handhelds.org/~luis/cross/ |
| 18:26.56 | spung | but i don't think it's working :\ |
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| 18:42.29 | florian | spung: hey, looks interesting... whats the status of this packages? |
| 18:43.20 | spung | florian: well, paul discovered some errors and i think he may have created new packages |
| 18:43.54 | spung | florian: i took me a while to create these, it seemed to compile fine but then the executable on the ipaq gave a weird error |
| 18:44.05 | spung | so i gave up |
| 18:44.22 | spung | and decided to use the ipaq cluster instead |
| 18:44.35 | spung | paul: did you manage to create working packages? |
| 18:44.36 | florian | spung: how are these packages intended to use? as an addition to a skiff toolchain? |
| 18:44.46 | paul | spung: ? |
| 18:44.56 | paul | spung: which packages? what where? |
| 18:44.58 | spung | florian: as an addition to pb_'s toolchain |
| 18:45.16 | spung | paul: weren't you looking for a toolchain? |
| 18:45.22 | paul | i was yes |
| 18:45.32 | spung | paul: didn't you try my packages? |
| 18:45.38 | paul | i got a tarball from nils at the gpe dev weekend |
| 18:45.54 | spung | paul: so, you didn't create new debs? |
| 18:46.21 | florian | spung: ah, ok - this i could try.... |
| 18:46.33 | spung | florian: what? |
| 18:46.53 | spung | paul: what was the problem with my packages? |
| 18:46.59 | spung | pkg-config files? |
| 18:47.11 | paul | spung: i dont use debian, sure you've got the right paul? |
| 18:47.19 | spung | paul: maybe not :) |
| 18:48.57 | spung | ahh |
| 18:49.00 | spung | it was dan_t |
| 18:49.06 | spung | dan_t, paul, same thing :) |
| 18:49.14 | paul | spung: almost :) |
| 18:49.17 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:06.27 | pb_ | chrisime_: you had the order of the arguments to gtk_table_new () wrong. |
| 19:11.44 | chrisime_ | pb_, ooopsala |
| 19:11.56 | chrisime_ | anyone using svn ? |
| 19:14.35 | pb_ | well, I checked in some changes to event-ui.c that should straighten out the table stuff. |
| 19:15.04 | chrisime_ | neat |
| 19:39.03 | paul | chrisime_: not using it, but investigating it. |
| 19:39.34 | paul | (though i wish the standalone svnserve was more fully-featured) |
| 19:48.33 | chrisime_ | paul, my svn server works now |
| 19:48.38 | chrisime_ | was a perm. problem |
| 19:48.52 | chrisime_ | paul, i'm using apache |
| 19:56.02 | paul | ah |
| 19:57.17 | chrisime_ | i'm using it for my local gpe stuff now |
| 20:03.07 | florian | pb_: did you get the gtk2 port of dillo to work? |
| 20:03.53 | pb_ | florian: no, haven't really tried yet. |
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| 20:19.39 | florian | hmmm... this browser will be much of work. |
| 20:19.52 | mallum | http://www.gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/21497-1.html |
| 20:22.39 | mallum | florian: there is minimoz |
| 20:23.26 | florian | mallum: i think this one is new to me, how "mini" is it really? |
| 20:23.53 | mallum | florian: dont know, but it supposedly designed to be as small as possible embeddable gtk component |
| 20:24.49 | mallum | florian: all I have is this -> http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=MiniMo |
| 20:25.11 | mallum | florian: I've never build mozilla from cvs before though - could be fun ;-) |
| 20:25.33 | florian | mallum: good that these military ipaqs run pocket pc :-/ |
| 20:26.18 | mallum | florian: yeah :/ |
| 20:26.19 | florian | mallum: even a normal source build is hard... (especially for the cpu ;-) |
| 20:26.52 | mallum | florian: do you remember what the GDK define is to get the actual xlib display var btw ? |
| 20:28.58 | florian | mallum: I think GDK_DISPLAY returns the xlib display... |
| 20:29.02 | florian | brb |
| 20:29.15 | mallum | florian: cool |
| 20:50.47 | cmarqu | pb_: Could you upload your cvsblame script to somewhere? |
| 20:56.06 | pb_ | cmarqu: Ah, yes, I'll do that once I finish this libc6 stuff. |
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| 20:59.55 | jsmanrique | hello |
| 21:00.27 | jsmanrique | I have to install GPE to a friendo of mine in his new (second hand) h3970 |
| 21:00.44 | jsmanrique | which is the stable bootloader and bootblaster? |
| 21:02.02 | pb_ | use bootldr 2.19.69, and whatever the latest bootblaster3900 is in the feed. |
| 21:02.55 | jsmanrique | pb_: it is a h3870, not a 3900 |
| 21:03.47 | pb_ | ah. in that case, use bootldr 2.19.69 but the latest bootblaster from the feed. |
| 21:05.11 | jsmanrique | pb_: where is the feed? |
| 21:05.18 | pb_ | handhelds.org/feeds/bootblaster |
| 21:07.01 | jsmanrique | I am using 2.9.54 and I've found some problems with CF to root image copy |
| 21:07.28 | jsmanrique | sorry, 2.8.54 |
| 21:07.40 | pb_ | 2.18.54, I guess you mean. |
| 21:07.46 | pb_ | 2.8.54 would be way old. |
| 21:08.16 | jsmanrique | yes, 2.18.54 |
| 21:08.21 | pb_ | anyway, 2.19.69 or 2.19.70 should be better. We installed those on everybody's ipaqs at the gpe weekend. |
| 21:08.32 | jsmanrique | ah |
| 21:08.40 | jsmanrique | how did it go? |
| 21:08.47 | jsmanrique | how many people have gone there? |
| 21:09.27 | jsmanrique | any news or interesting discussion? |
| 21:09.30 | jsmanrique | any photos? |
| 21:09.44 | jsmanrique | any news about a new website/weblog for GPE? |
| 21:09.44 | pb_ | I think Colin has some photos. |
| 21:11.57 | jsmanrique | any news about a new website/weblog for GPE? |
| 21:12.14 | pb_ | no, no news yet as far as I know. |
| 21:12.25 | pb_ | that still seems like a good thing to work on though. |
| 21:12.58 | jsmanrique | any news about contacting Ximian to integrate GPE and new Ximian Desktop 2? |
| 21:13.10 | jsmanrique | for example to integrate Evolution and GPE |
| 21:13.23 | pb_ | not that I'm aware of. |
| 21:13.36 | pb_ | ah, cool |
| 21:14.00 | florian | jsmanrique: http://slayer.templeofhate.com/~colin/ |
| 21:16.04 | jsmanrique | as soon as I have 5 minutes I will send to «you» the OpenOffice presentation I've given about GPE in our regional free software congress to 300 people |
| 21:16.29 | florian | heh, we should open a marketing department :-) |
| 21:16.43 | florian | hey, this sounds cool! |
| 21:16.44 | jsmanrique | is not more than 10-15 slides I think, but I'll need to translate them to english first... |
| 21:18.03 | florian | i think it would be a good idea to collect these... nils should have some slides from his talk at cebit. |
| 21:18.19 | pb_ | Good thinking. |
| 21:18.34 | jsmanrique | see this link: http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/giac.html |
| 21:18.45 | jsmanrique | at the end of the page you can read... |
| 21:18.58 | jsmanrique | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.06 | jsmanrique | Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente for his interest, Spanish translation of the documentation and on-line help, info about the FLVW library, Giac/xcas advertising. |
| 21:19.13 | jsmanrique | it is my job... |
| 21:19.19 | jsmanrique | advertising |
| 21:19.52 | jsmanrique | maybe I have to repeat my talk about GPE in an university in Madrid for a summer course |
| 21:20.16 | jsmanrique | and maybe for another summer course about handhelds in my own university |
| 21:20.57 | florian | btw. do we have a working xcas frontend for gpe? |
| 21:21.17 | jsmanrique | florian: not yet |
| 21:21.37 | florian | this would be cool... |
| 21:21.53 | jsmanrique | florian: but Prof. Parisse has released a readline/commandline version of giac (the xcas library) |
| 21:22.02 | jsmanrique | florian: it is my dream |
| 21:22.23 | jsmanrique | florian: I am working in a doc about how a handheld version of xcas should work |
| 21:22.56 | jsmanrique | so I would be very pleasure to discuss with anybody features about xcas/gtk version should have |
| 21:23.11 | pb_ | florian: good thinking! |
| 21:23.26 | jsmanrique | a friend of mine is thinking about xcas port to gtk2 to integrate it on gnome2 |
| 21:23.49 | jsmanrique | so, maybe a collaborative work could be done |
| 21:24.05 | jsmanrique | he is thinking it as end studies work at university |
| 21:24.14 | jsmanrique | I don't know how you say it on english |
| 21:24.39 | jsmanrique | when you finish your university studies you must do a innovative project or similar... |
| 21:24.45 | jsmanrique | how do yo call it? |
| 21:25.25 | jsmanrique | how do you call it? |
| 21:26.52 | florian | hmm... this depends on the contry... i think the english translation of our version could be "diploma thesis" |
| 21:33.13 | jsmanrique | I am back.. |
| 21:42.06 | jsmanrique | what about gpe-numeric.. is something done? |
| 21:55.06 | florian | the mozilla embedding example app is about 20MB :-/ |
| 21:55.41 | jsmanrique | florian: playing with mozilla? |
| 21:55.50 | jsmanrique | florian: what happens with dillo? |
| 21:56.32 | florian | jsmanrique: yep - dillo is fast, small and useful, but it has some major disadvantages |
| 21:57.13 | moray | florian/jsmanrique: in the UK we'd probably just call it a 'dissertation'; you could call it a 'thesis' but people might think of a PhD (later degree), and normal degrees here are not Diplomas |
| 21:57.39 | jsmanrique | moray: thanks |
| 21:58.20 | florian | it lacks https and frame support, the gtk2 port seems to be some more work to do... |
| 21:58.47 | florian | moray: thanks |
| 21:59.03 | cmarqu | Funny. In Germany, Dissertation would mean the equivalent for what a PhD has to write, and a "Diploma Thesis" for roughly a BA. |
| 21:59.54 | florian | that is what i wanted to say with "depends" :-) |
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| 22:03.58 | jsmanrique | thanks |
| 22:04.06 | jsmanrique | I am seeing the photos from the meeting |
| 22:04.26 | jsmanrique | I love the ones with ibook+ipaq... nice jewels |
| 22:07.26 | jsmanrique | I have used a ibook with Mac OS X, in our regional linux congress that Apple Spain let us.. and wow! that's an interface :-) |
| 22:17.48 | jsmanrique | pb_: it is funny |
| 22:18.29 | jsmanrique | pb_: all the photos I've seen from you in internet, you are wearing the same shirt (or almost the same) |
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| 22:25.39 | jsmanrique | who owns an ibook? |
| 22:26.30 | pb_ | I have an ibook, and so does dc. |
| 22:26.53 | pb_ | jsmanrique: heh, obviously I have a special shirt for being photographed in :-) |
| 22:27.11 | jsmanrique | pb_: yes :-) |
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| 22:30.06 | jsmanrique | ibook is a really nice device.. |
| 22:31.02 | pb_ | yeah. I'm pretty happy with mine. |
| 22:31.57 | jsmanrique | sure |
| 22:32.51 | jsmanrique | I have a friend that have one, and some Macs at home (his father works for TV and his mother is ads designer), and they are happy with Apple quality |
| 22:34.05 | PaxAnima | the new 12" powerbook looks nice... |
| 22:36.00 | pb_ | yeah, the powerbooks do look nice. But they're quite a lot more expensive than the comparable ibooks, and they have the sucky nvidia graphics. I guess the latter is not such a big deal if all you want to do is run OS X on it. |
| 22:36.24 | PaxAnima | but the g4 is more powerfull then the g3? |
| 22:36.36 | jsmanrique | colin's site is fallen |
| 22:36.44 | jsmanrique | Internal server error |
| 22:37.20 | pb_ | PaxAnima: yup. personally I don't need the extra performance though. |
| 22:37.26 | pb_ | jsmanrique: heh, oh dear. |
| 22:40.14 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: Yeah, we are doing some admining on it. |
| 22:40.24 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: ok |
| 22:40.35 | cmarqu | Will be up again soon I hope. |
| 22:40.35 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: I think I was doing something wrong |
| 22:45.14 | florian | night all... |
| 22:45.32 | pb_ | night florian |
| 22:46.46 | mallum | PaxAnima: best bet would be to get a 2nd hand tibook from ebay with nvidia card ( if a 15inch tibook is not too bug ) |
| 22:47.16 | mallum | s/nvidia/ati/ |
| 22:48.06 | jsmanrique | mallum: ah, hello |
| 22:48.15 | jsmanrique | mallum: nice new matchbox website |
| 22:48.32 | jsmanrique | mallum: and the c700 looks nice... is it yours too? |
| 22:49.14 | mallum | jsmanrique: yep |
| 22:49.21 | mallum | jsmanrique: thanks |
| 22:49.22 | PaxAnima | mallum: maybe... my current laptop works OK (a 450mhz celeron), and is very small (a lifebook B-series laptop).. but I'm considering mac next time I'll buy a laptop... |
| 22:50.33 | jsmanrique | mallum: wow! many buys tou have done.. tabletpc, c700, ... |
| 22:50.48 | jsmanrique | mallum: how did you get panasonic screen shot? |
| 22:51.01 | jsmanrique | mallum: I mean, the TV output |
| 22:51.04 | mallum | PaxAnima: yeah my tibook is 550 which is ok |
| 22:51.14 | mallum | jsmanrique: its one of them epia machines |
| 22:51.22 | jsmanrique | mallum: it could be usefull for my next talk about gpe |
| 22:51.27 | mallum | jsmanrique: you know the mini mother boards |
| 22:51.30 | jsmanrique | mallum: you have an epia too |
| 22:51.33 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes |
| 22:51.35 | jsmanrique | mallum: I know |
| 22:51.50 | mallum | jsmanrique: the tv output is a bit crappy though, kind of skewed / twisted :( |
| 22:51.59 | jsmanrique | mallum: I am searching for one to do a "home made" TabletPC :-) |
| 22:52.52 | jsmanrique | mallum: jsut an epia (via eden), a LCD and a lithio bat... more or less |
| 22:53.26 | jsmanrique | mallum: but maybe it is too expensive, I haven't studied it deeply |
| 22:53.37 | mallum | jsmanrique: why not get one of these SIMpads ? |
| 22:53.57 | jsmanrique | mallum: how powerfull are they? |
| 22:54.06 | jsmanrique | mallum: they are 600 Euros here |
| 22:54.18 | PaxAnima | mallum: aren't they expensive? |
| 22:54.20 | mallum | jsmanrique: I think nils_ can get them for 350 euros |
| 22:54.26 | jsmanrique | mallum: what? |
| 22:54.31 | mallum | SIMpad |
| 22:54.39 | mallum | strongarm 800x600 display |
| 22:54.51 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes, what about multimedia |
| 22:55.21 | mallum | jsmanrique: how do you mean multimedia ? can it play video ? |
| 22:55.56 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes, divx, i.e. |
| 22:56.20 | mallum | jsmanrique: hmm, I very much doubt full screen |
| 22:56.33 | mallum | jsmanrique: the epia can only just about manage it |
| 22:56.59 | jsmanrique | I have a friend that I have discussed a lot with him about what is better tabletpc or simpad, and I think simpad is a nice mini tabletpc that could be very usseful for sttudents |
| 22:57.16 | mallum | yeah, tinyX runs on it |
| 22:58.40 | jsmanrique | mallum: and GPE too, doesn't it? |
| 22:58.50 | jsmanrique | mallum: have you one too? |
| 23:00.06 | jsmanrique | mallum: have you one too? |
| 23:01.03 | mallum | no I dont have one |
| 23:01.10 | mallum | I have to cut back on toys really |
| 23:01.42 | jsmanrique | mallum: what about your TabletPC? |
| 23:01.51 | jsmanrique | mallum: any progress there |
| 23:02.39 | PaxAnima | I wish I had the money to buy cool toys.. but I guess I'll have to wait until I get a job.. |
| 23:02.51 | jsmanrique | where is nils_ |
| 23:03.53 | mallum | jsmanrique: yes, one of the hp guys ( andyc ) wrote a tinyx driver for the touchscreen :-) Big X worked, but didn't support rotation, tinyX does and performance is ok with the vesa server |
| 23:04.15 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: http://slayer.templeofhate.com/~colin/Photos/2003-03_CambridgeDevWeekend/ |
| 23:04.17 | mallum | jsmanrique: I've started hacking a rotation gnome panel app togeather for it |
| 23:04.36 | PaxAnima | mallum: how is the job market in england when it comes to computer related jobs? |
| 23:04.57 | jsmanrique | mallum: please, as soon you have photos, send an email to me (jsmanrique_lopez@yahoo.es ) |
| 23:05.02 | mallum | PaxAnima: hmm, pretty random |
| 23:05.41 | mallum | jsmanrique: sure, btw there is a tc1000 mailing list now -> tc1000-linux@handhelds.org |
| 23:06.38 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes, I've seen it the other day |
| 23:06.40 | PaxAnima | mallum: ok.. it's pretty tough in norway these days... started to look at the job market here in Norway now, as I'm done with my Masters this summer.. not too uplifting... |
| 23:06.55 | jsmanrique | mallum: with an email from Chris Andrew (andyc) |
| 23:08.31 | jsmanrique | mallum: so you are.... |
| 23:08.33 | jsmanrique | http://slayer.templeofhate.com/~colin/Photos/2003-03_CambridgeDevWeekend/html/eg_P3230120_img.html |
| 23:10.46 | PaxAnima | but the best job title is "student" ;) |
| 23:12.32 | mallum | PaxAnima: is your course finished this summer ? |
| 23:13.03 | PaxAnima | mallum: yes.. I'm done with my Master thesis in 10 weeks... :/ |
| 23:13.31 | mallum | PaxAnima: in 10 weeks you have to get a job ? |
| 23:14.02 | PaxAnima | mallum: not that fast... but at least some time during the summer... |
| 23:14.32 | mallum | PaxAnima: okey I'll keep my ear to the ground for you |
| 23:14.47 | PaxAnima | I'd like to continue studying, but my department doesn't have any available scholarships... :/ |
| 23:14.53 | PaxAnima | mallum: thanks ;) |
| 23:14.53 | mallum | PaxAnima: not worth worrying about that much, something will always turn up :-) |
| 23:15.00 | PaxAnima | I hope so... |
| 23:15.19 | mallum | PaxAnima: can you move back to your parents ? |
| 23:15.28 | PaxAnima | beeing unemployed and living home with my parents isn't exactly much fun... |
| 23:15.34 | PaxAnima | so, yes |
| 23:16.08 | mallum | yes but then you can live off them and spend all your time hacking :-) |
| 23:16.13 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 23:17.20 | jsmanrique | mallum: is the T1100 in the photos from you? (you are the one with the england flag on the T-Shirt, aren't you) |
| 23:17.33 | mallum | jsmanrique: yes, with my belly sticking out |
| 23:17.41 | PaxAnima | I'd guess a "dream" jobb would be something to do with image analsys/computer vision, linux and programming.... maybe all at once... ;) |
| 23:17.42 | jsmanrique | mallum: I know that the flag has a name, but I've forgot |
| 23:18.26 | mallum | jsmanrique: union jack |
| 23:18.52 | jsmanrique | mallum: yes, that's right |
| 23:19.01 | jsmanrique | mallum: how could I forgot that? :-)) |
| 23:19.35 | PaxAnima | mallum: are there any english sites where I can search through job ads? |
| 23:19.45 | pb_ | PaxAnima: there are plenty of employment agencies. |
| 23:19.46 | PaxAnima | english = british |
| 23:19.55 | pb_ | PaxAnima: try www.ecmsel.co.uk for example |
| 23:20.33 | PaxAnima | pb_: thanks |
| 23:22.18 | jsmanrique | ok, I've seen all the photos... |
| 23:22.23 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: nice photos |
| 23:22.43 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: these are the kind of photos that make you wish to travel to somewhere |
| 23:23.04 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: I will pointo Cambridge as a possible destiny for a travel |
| 23:23.19 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: It's absolutely worth it. |
| 23:24.15 | jsmanrique | cmarqu: seeing the photos.. of course |
| 23:42.32 | mallum | bedtime for me - g'night all |
| 23:42.38 | cmarqu | mallum: Night. |
| 23:42.53 | cmarqu | Good idea though. Night too. |
| 23:43.02 | PaxAnima | night, cmarqu |
| 23:53.01 | jsmanrique | well |
| 23:53.03 | jsmanrique | night |
| 23:53.06 | jsmanrique | see you |
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