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| 05:35.18 | dneuer | ibot what is ibot? |
| 05:35.19 | | well, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
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| 07:36.24 | *** topic/#gpe is GPE Palmtop Environment | http://gpe.handhelds.org | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/CurrentThingsToDo | http://europa.debian.org/bugzilla | bootgpe2 images now at http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7/boot/ | Familiar 0.7 issues: http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99 | New matchbox website with screenshots and docs - > http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/ |
| 08:00.37 | dneuer | ibot: seen pb_? |
| 08:00.38 | | pb_ <~pb@pc2-cmbg4-3-cust239.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 8h 39m 54s ago, saying: 'ok'. |
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| 09:54.12 | florian | hi all! |
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| 10:16.13 | mallum | hey |
| 10:16.21 | dc_ | morning :} |
| 10:16.33 | dc_ | my total accident. |
| 10:16.35 | dc_ | honest |
| 10:16.35 | mallum | dc_: bad |
| 10:16.42 | dc_ | ;-p |
| 10:16.45 | mallum | dc_: so now you have the day off ? |
| 10:16.54 | dc_ | well, till lunchtime |
| 10:17.04 | mallum | dc_: when did you say your c700 was gonna arrive ? |
| 10:17.11 | dc_ | need to finish off and hand in some geography homework |
| 10:17.21 | dc_ | mallum: he said he'd send it on april the 4th |
| 10:17.45 | mallum | dc_: ah cool, I have it sleeping properly now, and x rotaing the display when you physically rotate it :-) |
| 10:17.54 | dc_ | mallum: oh wow :DD |
| 10:18.05 | mallum | dc_: and I sped X up a little |
| 10:18.12 | dc_ | wahay |
| 10:18.26 | dc_ | mallum: that auto rotate will be so cool. |
| 10:18.45 | dc_ | mallum: what about those okay and cancel buttons next to the power button? |
| 10:18.50 | mallum | dc_: the screen rotate is some kind of button, so I just mapped it to matchbox which calls a little xrandr scripy |
| 10:18.57 | dc_ | yay |
| 10:19.00 | mallum | dc_: yeah all buttons working and mapped now |
| 10:19.04 | dc_ | great |
| 10:19.29 | mallum | dc_: the little dial is left/right, ok -> enter, cancel -> escape, power button -> sends it to sleep |
| 10:19.45 | dc_ | grerat |
| 10:20.11 | dc_ | will that work with dialog boxes.. |
| 10:20.18 | dc_ | I guess we have to make the okay button take the focus |
| 10:20.47 | mallum | dc_: yeah maybe you could somehow do it with atk |
| 10:21.47 | dc_ | mallum: can you remember the xsetting for the toolbar icon size? |
| 10:22.09 | mallum | dc_: gtk2 is meant to be completely controlled via keyboard anyway .. |
| 10:22.27 | mallum | dc_: check the gtkrc in mbcrystal theme that does it I believe |
| 10:22.36 | dc_ | it doesn't seem to have an effect. |
| 10:22.42 | dc_ | my toolbar is still 24x24 I think |
| 10:23.10 | mallum | dc_: we have to pester pb btw to remove the default background setting, so themes can set it |
| 10:23.28 | dc_ | yes |
| 10:23.58 | mallum | dc_: the defualt no setting background can be hardcoded strait into matchbox, or someone sets up a proper gpe theme |
| 10:24.55 | dc_ | :} |
| 10:25.41 | dc_ | I'd first like to get a complete set of application icons for the mbcrystal |
| 10:26.03 | dc_ | it seem alot of the action icons arn't 16x16 aswell |
| 10:26.15 | mallum | dc_: yeah we dont really need any icons for the gpe theme, it can just use the defualt app icons |
| 10:26.26 | dc_ | quite |
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| 10:33.50 | dc_ | mallum: arg...heh...got a url for the latest crystal tarball, I havn't got the iBook her |
| 10:33.52 | dc_ | e |
| 10:34.11 | dc_ | it seems the link on kde-look.org is down |
| 10:34.28 | mallum | dc_: see http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/download.html |
| 10:34.34 | dc_ | :} |
| 10:34.42 | cmarqu | Hi guys. |
| 10:34.44 | dc_ | how very organized |
| 10:34.48 | dc_ | he colin |
| 10:34.50 | dc_ | hey |
| 10:34.54 | mallum | hey cmarqu |
| 10:35.13 | mallum | does gpe-login support auto-login ? |
| 10:35.34 | dc_ | don't think so |
| 10:35.51 | cmarqu | No, it doesn't. |
| 10:36.29 | dc_ | hr |
| 10:36.33 | dc_ | m |
| 10:36.39 | dc_ | can I tunnel vnc over http port? |
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| 10:39.22 | pb_ | morning |
| 10:39.29 | dc_ | morning p |
| 10:39.32 | dc_ | b |
| 10:39.38 | pb_ | dc_: yo |
| 10:39.43 | pb_ | dc_: surely you're not ill again? |
| 10:39.47 | dc_ | hehe |
| 10:39.52 | dc_ | missed the bus thill time |
| 10:39.58 | pb_ | heh |
| 10:42.14 | dc_ | ahh |
| 10:42.26 | dc_ | pb_: what's the xsetting for toolbar icon size? |
| 10:42.32 | pb_ | Gtk/ToolbarIconSize |
| 10:42.40 | dc_ | how do I set it :} |
| 10:42.53 | pb_ | xst write Gtk/ToolbarIconSize int 2 |
| 10:43.16 | pb_ | (2 is default, I think) |
| 10:44.25 | pb_ | see /etc/gpe/xsettings.default |
| 10:45.05 | dc_ | hrm |
| 10:45.08 | dc_ | I think.... |
| 10:45.24 | dc_ | we may be using the wrong size for our gpe loaded icons |
| 10:45.31 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 10:45.35 | pb_ | any particular program? |
| 10:46.31 | dc_ | the view selection icons are cut off |
| 10:46.34 | dc_ | and not resized. |
| 10:46.44 | dc_ | when I set the size to 1 |
| 10:46.50 | pb_ | ah. |
| 10:46.55 | pb_ | yes, there is a problem with them not resizing dynamicallu. |
| 10:47.00 | dc_ | ah okay |
| 10:47.05 | pb_ | if you quit and restart gpe-calendar it should get them right. |
| 10:47.36 | dc_ | ack no.. |
| 10:47.41 | dc_ | logging in and out didn't work. |
| 10:47.43 | pb_ | hell. |
| 10:48.02 | pb_ | want to make a scap of what you're seeing? |
| 10:48.22 | dc_ | oops, well, lets see if it works after reboot |
| 10:49.00 | dc_ | still wrong, let me make a scap |
| 10:49.31 | pb_ | yeah, reboot shouldn't be necessary |
| 10:50.14 | pb_ | ack, I see it too I think. |
| 10:50.26 | dc_ | yes. |
| 10:50.31 | pb_ | they seem to scale up correctly if you set the size to 3, but it doesn't seem to work going down. |
| 10:50.35 | dc_ | cut off at the top left corner |
| 10:50.50 | pb_ | yeah. I dunno what's wrong there. |
| 10:51.39 | pb_ | you wanna have a go at debugging it? |
| 10:52.03 | dc_ | I'll try :} |
| 10:52.16 | mallum | dc_: remember the mbcrystal gtkrc theme also sets it ( overiding XSetting I think ) |
| 10:52.30 | dc_ | oh |
| 10:52.50 | dc_ | mallum: well, it seems after I set it with xst it doesn't |
| 10:53.58 | mallum | dc_: ok, dc btw have you noticed is a users .gtkrc overides the current themes ? |
| 10:54.53 | dc_ | mallum: try things for mbcrystal, gpe-sketch.png should be gpe-sketchbook.png |
| 10:55.23 | mallum | dc_: yeah I is that not fixed in the latest ? |
| 10:55.27 | dc_ | mallum: and window_list.png could be gpe-taskmanager.png |
| 10:55.34 | dc_ | mallum: oh..hrm |
| 10:55.39 | mallum | dc_: okey you'll have to mail me that |
| 10:56.09 | dc_ | mallum: the icon, or a reminder? |
| 10:56.13 | mallum | dc_: also if the gpe icons dropped the gpe prefix, there'd be a lot less pissing around setting up these themes |
| 10:56.19 | mallum | dc_: just a reminder |
| 10:56.22 | dc_ | :} |
| 10:58.43 | dc_ | if I made a gpe theme we could also add some more stock icons for things like the view icons in gpe-calendar. |
| 10:58.46 | dc_ | maybe this weekend :} |
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| 10:58.59 | dc_ | nils_: :} |
| 10:59.01 | pb_ | hi nils_ |
| 10:59.06 | mallum | dc_: yeah sounds cool |
| 10:59.15 | mallum | nils_: hello :-) |
| 10:59.16 | nils_ | G'Morning! |
| 10:59.47 | nils_ | We are obviously back, although we almost missed our plane back :) |
| 10:59.52 | dc_ | mallum: I'll make sure I put aside time to get them totaly polished up and working |
| 10:59.55 | dc_ | nils_: ! |
| 10:59.59 | pb_ | nils_: Yeah, Colin said you arrived one minute late :-) |
| 11:00.07 | nils_ | Stansted is a _huge_ thing and it took suprisingly long to get from security to the gate :( |
| 11:00.37 | pb_ | Ah yeah, you have to take those shuttles from the terminal to the place where the gates are. |
| 11:01.01 | pb_ | hell |
| 11:02.29 | dc_ | ack |
| 11:02.31 | dc_ | school time |
| 11:02.38 | pb_ | dc_: enjoy |
| 11:02.42 | dc_ | pb_: ;-p |
| 11:02.48 | dc_ | talk this evening |
| 11:02.52 | pb_ | later |
| 11:02.59 | nils_ | pb_: Exactly! And they tell you that only *after* you passed security! |
| 11:12.55 | pb_ | nils_: Yes, this is not so helpful. |
| 11:18.24 | nils_ | stargirl: Do you already have a new gpe-dasher package? I never used on an iPaq and would love to test it :) ! |
| 11:19.12 | pb_ | mallum: on this desktop background thing that you mentioned yesterday, I guess the best thing would be to make a new /usr/share/themes/THEME/desktop-background file that contains the definition of the default background. |
| 11:21.53 | stargirl | nils_: it's not quite working currently -- I need to fix a bug in it |
| 11:22.35 | nils_ | stargirl: Oh OK, thanks! I am looking forward to it! |
| 11:22.42 | stargirl | cool :-) |
| 11:24.22 | pb_ | stargirl: incidentally, the latest libgpewidget should fix that bug you were having with gpe-what blowing up when not initialised. |
| 11:24.35 | stargirl | ah okay cool |
| 11:24.45 | stargirl | goodness I feel silly about that though :-) |
| 11:24.49 | pb_ | hehe |
| 11:26.13 | pb_ | now, does anybody know of a video4linux client that will run on the ipaq and display captured video in a window? |
| 11:26.37 | mallum | pb_: yes, just create /usr/share/themes/default|gpe/background/default.png and set Net/ThemeName to defualt|gpe |
| 11:26.38 | moray | pb_: saving to disk or just to look at it, and video4linux from what device...? |
| 11:27.14 | moray | (pb_: or is this using the magic USB interface?) |
| 11:27.26 | mallum | pb_: you may also want to create a themes/defualt/matchbox and link it to a matchbox theme, and a gtk-2.0 one |
| 11:27.54 | mallum | pb_: if matchbox cant find a theme def for the current theme, it will drop back to blondie |
| 11:28.43 | mallum | pb_: though I guess the matchbox installer could set up that defualt theme for itself aswell |
| 11:28.46 | pb_ | moray: well, with the ability to save to disk as well would be nice, but right now just to look at. |
| 11:28.50 | pb_ | moray: yeah, magic usb device. |
| 11:29.41 | pb_ | mallum: what if I want to use something other than a png for the background? |
| 11:29.57 | mallum | pb_: well you can use an xpm |
| 11:30.13 | pb_ | I was thinking more of a colour gradient. |
| 11:30.28 | pb_ | I guess we can live without that though. |
| 11:30.44 | moray | pb_: presumably xawtv shouldn't be too hard to get going, with relatively few dependencies? |
| 11:31.03 | pb_ | modern xawtv seems to depend on everything under the sun, unfortunately. |
| 11:31.18 | mallum | pb_: create a gradient strip, it'll get tiled. Though Id avoid gradients for the default |
| 11:31.23 | moray | mallum: it would also be useful to be able to choose e.g. scaled/centred/tiled presumably? |
| 11:31.26 | pb_ | and of course it's based on the eponymous widget library, which I would rather not have. |
| 11:32.14 | pb_ | mallum: doesn't creating a gradient strip require you to know the dimensions of the screen in advance? |
| 11:32.31 | moray | pb_: hm, most of the more modern viewers I've seen depend on the whole of GNOME (or presumably KDE) |
| 11:32.45 | pb_ | moray: yah. :-/ |
| 11:35.04 | mallum | pb_: well just create a gradient strip for your expected maxium size, or dont use gradients at all ( better ) |
| 11:37.45 | pb_ | ok |
| 11:45.17 | mallum | moray: any chance your gonna update keylaunch anytime soon to use startup notification etc ? |
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| 11:49.54 | moray | mallum: I might actually have time to look at that stuff now, yes - anything in particular I should look at to get up to speed on how it's all meant to work? |
| 11:53.30 | mallum | moray: the specs for it are at freedesktop.org. also check the code in mbsrc/libmb/mbutil.c for code for mapping a binary exec name to a window id |
| 11:54.21 | mallum | biab |
| 12:30.07 | mallum | ibot: convert 5,980 japanese yen to british pound |
| 12:30.27 | mallum | ibot: convert 5,980 yen to ukp |
| 12:30.41 | mallum | ibot: convert 5980 yen to ukp |
| 12:30.49 | mallum | ibot: convert 5980 yen to pounds |
| 12:31.01 | mallum | ibot: convert 5980 yen to british pounds |
| 12:31.11 | mallum | ibot: convert 5980 yen to sterling |
| 12:31.21 | mallum | ~lart himself |
| 12:31.27 | mallum | ~lart himself |
| 12:31.54 | stargirl | erm, this is interesting -- when my ipaq is sitting by itself just plugged into the mains, applications tend to randomly start themselves |
| 12:34.12 | PaxAnima | stargirl: wow.. that's a nice "feature" ;) |
| 12:34.27 | nils_ | stargirl: Maybe all applications like to become charged 8-) |
| 12:37.04 | pb_ | stargirl: wow, cool. |
| 12:37.54 | pb_ | mallum: the currency code for british pound is GBP. |
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| 12:39.32 | nils_ | Oops ... who was that? |
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| 12:47.12 | pb_ | mallum: does mbdesktop have any internationalisation for its folder names and so on? |
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| 12:57.09 | mallum | pb_: for icons yes they should work ( if a names been set in there .desktop file ). Not yet for actual folders however but soon |
| 12:58.36 | pb_ | Yeah, I have it working for the icons, it's the folders I was curious about. |
| 12:58.41 | pb_ | By the way, what is the "Other" folder for? |
| 13:03.52 | mallum | for anything .desktop categories it cant match |
| 13:04.36 | mallum | the .desktop / vfolder stuff for named folders etc is half implemented just not turned on at the moment as pretty flakey |
| 13:05.35 | pb_ | Ah, I see. Would it be possible for "Other" to not show up when it would be empty? |
| 13:07.38 | mallum | hmm, yeah definetly in the future though not currently |
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| 13:08.42 | mallum | you will just have to wait for the great mbdesktop rewrite :-) |
| 13:09.52 | paul | morning |
| 13:10.08 | pb_ | ah, right. |
| 13:10.10 | pb_ | hi paul |
| 13:10.17 | paul | heya phil, hi mallum |
| 13:10.47 | mallum | hey paul |
| 13:13.45 | pb_ | what changes are planned for this mbdesktop rewrite? |
| 13:23.29 | mallum | pb_: the main improvements will be vfolder-ish support and support for loadable modules so you could add a bookmarks folder, a today view above the folders, an inbuilt panel etc. |
| 13:25.18 | pb_ | sounds cool |
| 13:25.54 | mallum | the code needs quite a bit of shuffling around to support loadable modules and sort the hardcoded :( folders out |
| 13:27.21 | pb_ | ah right. |
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| 13:57.39 | paul | hi nils |
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| 14:21.07 | dneuer | hey pb_ |
| 14:21.24 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 14:22.52 | pb_ | hi dave |
| 14:25.26 | dneuer | pb_: how goes it |
| 14:26.08 | dneuer | pb_: took me forever to find make-busyboot last night |
| 14:26.56 | dneuer | but, I got it, and also got mkfs.jffs2 compiled on my new machine |
| 14:32.11 | pb_ | cool. |
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| 14:35.07 | dneuer | pb_: is nelson going to try to trim the 3100 image down? I got a message from him on here last night |
| 14:35.52 | pb_ | dneuer: I'm not sure. He builds the 0.7 images, so I guess you need to liaise with him to come up with something acceptable. |
| 14:36.32 | dneuer | cool. I'm at work, so if he gets to it today, he'll get there before me. Otherwise, I can do it tonight when I get home |
| 14:40.15 | cmarqu | http://slayer.templeofhate.com/~colin/ has the photos from the weekend. Still need to name them properly. |
| 14:42.13 | dneuer | cmarqu: that's a lot of pictures |
| 14:42.17 | pb_ | Aha, plenty of photos of the colleges. |
| 14:47.22 | cmarqu | Of course :) |
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| 14:51.46 | pb_ | hi mccarthy |
| 14:51.51 | mccarthy | hi pb |
| 14:52.01 | mccarthy | how do I check what my xsettings are? |
| 14:52.08 | mccarthy | I think gpe-conf messed them up |
| 14:52.20 | pb_ | xst read |
| 14:52.45 | mccarthy | hmmm. that does nothing... |
| 14:52.53 | mccarthy | should it do something? |
| 14:53.14 | pb_ | if it does nothing, I guess you don't have any xsettings stored. |
| 14:53.18 | mccarthy | (obviously, I mean should there be anything already set?) |
| 14:54.04 | pb_ | yeah, I'd expect there to be at least a few, but it depends how recently you installed. |
| 14:55.20 | mccarthy | pb_: wouldn't a postinst script do it or something? |
| 14:56.35 | mccarthy | oops. you have to be logged in to X for it to work :) |
| 14:58.10 | pb_ | ah yes. |
| 14:58.22 | pb_ | the xsettings are per user. |
| 14:58.38 | mccarthy | pb_: is there an easy way to go back to the defaults? |
| 14:58.56 | mccarthy | like cat defaults | xst write? |
| 14:59.22 | pb_ | I think removing ~/.gpe/settings and restarting gpe-confd will get you the defaults back. |
| 14:59.43 | pb_ | Or you could make a small script to read /etc/gpe/xsettings.default and feed it to xst write. |
| 15:00.31 | pb_ | argh, out of disk space again |
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| 15:14.43 | pb_ | phew, that worked. |
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| 15:30.25 | nelson | dneuer: yes, I might trim the h3100 image down. Then again, jamey is making noises about having the bootloader write directly to flash rather than loading the whole thing into ram. |
| 15:31.43 | pb_ | Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. It's quite an appealing idea. |
| 15:33.28 | dneuer | nelson: well, until noises are a real bootldr, 31xx users should be able to use the images, right? (FWIW, those "bootldr streams to flash" noises have been happening for well over a year) |
| 15:34.49 | dneuer | it was an issue on the 31xx when the first familiar "complete" images came out, IIRC. I had to maintain a separate image for a while |
| 15:40.42 | pb_ | well, the other easy option would be to break the image in two, and have people load the two pieces individually. |
| 15:41.31 | pb_ | doesn't seem all that attractive, but it would at least provide a way to get a working installation. |
| 15:42.02 | nelson | Perhaps better not to supply a bootgpe, and instead tell people "to get gpe with a h3100, install bootstrap, then 'ipkg install gpe'. |
| 15:42.28 | nelson | Otherwise, if we give them a partial set of files, they may think they've got everything. |
| 15:52.19 | dneuer | nelson: last time I tried the "flash bootstrap, boot linux, ipkg install task-gpe2" I got oops after oops |
| 15:52.20 | pb_ | Might be better, yes, particularly since there seems to be some doubt whether GPE2 will even run on a h3100. |
| 15:53.08 | dneuer | the 31xx's are very wimpy, if you ask me |
| 15:53.49 | dneuer | but people (like me) have them |
| 15:58.47 | pb_ | yup. |
| 15:59.00 | pb_ | the main problem seems to be that 16MB may just not be enough RAM for the current distribution. |
| 16:05.11 | dneuer | pb_: possibly, but there has to be *some* non-essential stuff (like the games), etc. |
| 16:05.31 | dneuer | 16MB just isn't enough, period |
| 16:06.01 | dneuer | especially when some of that RAM is being used as ramfs |
| 16:10.00 | pb_ | dneuer: removing stuff like the games won't help with runtime memory requirements. |
| 16:10.22 | pb_ | it would help a bit if all the programs could be prelinked. |
| 16:10.59 | pb_ | also it might be possible to reduce the kernel's footprint somewhat. There are some low-RAM patches in netwinder.org cvs we could dig out, and stuff like the swapping code could be removed. |
| 16:17.40 | mallum | dneuer: I can compile up a low-cal matchbox for you |
| 16:18.07 | mallum | dneuer: it'll look pretty ugly ( but what doesn't on a 3100 :-), but be fully useable and use less mem |
| 16:23.27 | nelson | dneuer: yup, 16MB just isn't enough for a standard set of PIM programs like gpe. |
| 16:30.57 | mccarthy | nelson: I am finally here... |
| 16:31.13 | dneuer | mallum: cool, thanx |
| 16:31.22 | mccarthy | nelson: when I was messing with gpe-mapviewer, I thought about gpsd (or whatever your thing is called) but thought it used python, no? |
| 16:32.18 | dneuer | note, I don't really use the 3150 at this point, I have a souped-up 3650 too. I just thought I'd try to help out w/ some of the 31xx issues since not many other hh developers seem to have access to a 31xx-series machine, but there are still users out there w/ them |
| 16:36.34 | dneuer | it's funny; when I first started using Linux it was on a 486/16sx w/ I think 8MB of RAM, and it ran X! I couldn't believe that there was an OS which could make that hardware usable. Oh, what a difference swap makes... |
| 16:37.57 | pb_ | quite. I've often wondered whether there would be any mileage in building CF cards with DRAM in, for people to use as swap devices. |
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| 16:42.06 | florian | re |
| 16:42.12 | pb_ | florian: re |
| 16:42.18 | mccarthy | re! |
| 16:44.04 | chrisime__ | pipe |
| 16:44.06 | chrisime__ | ;) |
| 16:45.02 | mccarthy | mallum: how can I find out what xsettings matchbox pays attention too? (i.e., what values of MATCHBOX/* there are?) |
| 16:45.37 | mallum | mccarthy: grep the source ? |
| 16:46.19 | nelson | mccarthy: no, gpsd is a C program. |
| 16:46.36 | nelson | mccarthy: it virtualizes the GPS receiver. |
| 16:47.23 | mallum | mccarthy: also see http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/manual/communication.txt |
| 16:47.36 | mallum | mccarthy: though that lacks details about the desktop currently |
| 16:47.42 | mccarthy | nelson: maybe I was thinking of pygps ;) (gpsd is *not* a map gui is it?) |
| 16:52.30 | nelson | gpsd is *just* a daemon to give multiple programs access to the same GPS receiver. |
| 16:52.43 | nelson | pygps is written in python. |
| 16:54.04 | mccarthy | nelson: so you have no gpe-ish mapviewer suggestions? |
| 16:55.17 | pb_ | pygps should coexist with gpe perfectly happily, if you have enough flash for python. |
| 16:55.35 | dneuer | pb_: serial_cs isn't in the boot images? |
| 16:55.48 | pb_ | dneuer: probably not |
| 16:57.20 | nelson | mccarthy: I haven't looked at it, so I can't say. Is it in unstable? |
| 16:58.08 | mccarthy | nelson: yes, but it really isnt worht looking at (I dont think) |
| 17:00.54 | mccarthy | mallum: there seems to be some weird issues between MATCHBOX/Theme and Net/ThemeName.... |
| 17:01.40 | mccarthy | (I cant get rid of that ugly yellow titlebar without ditching the Net/ThemeName Angelistic) |
| 17:01.44 | mccarthy | anyway...lunch |
| 17:08.43 | mallum | mccarthy: thats because theres no matchbox theme obviously set for angelistic, so matchbox is falling back to its default theme |
| 17:09.10 | mallum | mccarthy: forget MATCHBOX/Theme, just use Net/ThemeName |
| 17:10.01 | florian | is the familiar gtk2 package threadsafe? |
| 17:11.53 | pb_ | It's not built with any special options. I don't know whether GTK is threadsafe as standard, but I'd have expected it would be. |
| 17:18.25 | florian | hmm... yes - everything else would be really strange.. |
| 17:18.30 | florian | ipkg status libgpewidget1 |
| 17:18.38 | florian | loading conf file /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 17:18.38 | florian | loading conf file /etc/ipkg/ipaqarch.conf |
| 17:19.30 | florian | this is not good... |
| 17:23.36 | florian | another |
| 17:23.45 | florian | stupid question: |
| 17:25.18 | florian | how do i enshure something i write to a pipe may be read at the other end of the pipe? |
| 17:28.13 | pb_ | You can't, really. |
| 17:38.39 | florian | hmmm... this is not good :-/ |
| 17:38.59 | pb_ | What are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 17:41.47 | florian | he communication between the two gpe-conf processes is implemented with pipes. i try to use this to return the output of a command from the suid task to the gui task. |
| 17:42.02 | florian | i do e.g. this: |
| 17:42.36 | florian | fprintf(file,"updating"); |
| 17:42.59 | pb_ | ah, you might need to fflush(file). |
| 17:43.22 | florian | then i write some other output from the command there and do a fflush |
| 17:43.24 | florian | :-) |
| 17:43.28 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:43.35 | pb_ | and what happens, it just never shows up at the other end? |
| 17:44.27 | chrisime | hoi ! |
| 17:44.37 | florian | i receive the "updating"... if i start this again i receive the rest of the data and the next "updating" |
| 17:45.25 | florian | if i wait one second after every line i write to the pipe, i receive everything at the other end... line by line |
| 17:45.40 | pb_ | hm, strange. |
| 17:46.44 | pb_ | bbl |
| 17:47.28 | florian | the reading process checks with a poll command if there is data available. i checked if this really works too... |
| 17:47.54 | florian | ok, i'll do this to... -later |
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| 18:22.58 | nils__ | mallum: Where can I find that Xipaq version with tslib support you spoke about last weekend? |
| 18:26.56 | chrisime | hallo nils__ |
| 18:27.09 | nils__ | chrisime: Hi! |
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| 18:37.36 | nils__ | pb_: MAybe you also know his... Matthew spoke about a Xipaq tslib version. Do you know where I can find this? |
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| 18:42.13 | pb_ | nils__: I think it's in http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xpkgs/ |
| 18:44.18 | nils__ | pb_: Ah, thanks! |
| 18:44.49 | mallum | nils__: hi, you need to know the format of your /dev/ts device first ... |
| 18:45.12 | nils__ | mallum: OH hi :) |
| 18:45.45 | nils__ | mallum: I think I can read this from the driver source then. I already also got the tslib source so if everything else fails I can write a new module. |
| 18:46.57 | mallum | nils__: cool, the tslib in that feed supports quite a few devices, it likely that one of them supported formats already matches your device |
| 18:46.59 | nils__ | mallum: The server is this xserver-tinyx-fbdev package? I mean, this is the tslib server? |
| 18:47.06 | mallum | nils__: yes |
| 18:47.19 | mallum | nils__: I ditched the h3600 deps |
| 18:47.40 | nils__ | mallum: Great! I hope to give it a try tonight on the SIMpad. |
| 18:48.13 | nils__ | mallum: Is there anything I need additionally compared to the normal familiar X distrib? |
| 18:48.27 | mallum | nils__: cool, look at the xserver-tinyx-fbdev wrapper script, and that should give you a clue on how to set env vars for tslib |
| 18:49.16 | mallum | nils__: no just the server and the tslib packages should be enough. I dont think they work with gpe-login yet, so use the nullxdm from there if you want it to autostart |
| 18:49.37 | mallum | nils__: oh and make sure you have a remote term connection whilst you do it in case something goes wrong ;-) |
| 18:49.54 | nils__ | mallum: Sure :) What is the problem with gpe-login? |
| 18:50.20 | mallum | nils__: just some different filenames, nothing major |
| 18:50.35 | mallum | nils__: in fact it should eventually be more integrated. |
| 18:50.46 | mallum | nils__: pb is aware of issue, no probs to fix |
| 18:51.38 | nils__ | mallum: Oh OK. So with some tweaking of the scripts this should be solvable (or symlinks)... |
| 18:52.50 | nils__ | Oh BTW: Anyone else interested in a SIMpad? Maybe we can collect some more orders. |
| 18:55.23 | nils__ | OK, gotta leave again, Thanks! |
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| 18:55.31 | mallum | damn too slow |
| 19:00.00 | nelson | mallum: what's too damn slow? |
| 19:01.07 | mallum | nelson: missed nils |
| 19:01.37 | mallum | nelson: therefore I am too slow |
| 19:01.54 | nelson | ahhhh, yes, you have to be quick to catch him. |
| 19:02.35 | mallum | yep |
| 19:02.48 | mallum | nelson: byw have you played with OZ's buildroot at all ? |
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| 19:55.04 | florian | hi all |
| 19:55.13 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 19:59.16 | florian | brb |
| 20:05.54 | mallum | ibot: convert 400 euro to sterling |
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| 20:06.12 | mallum | ~lart himself |
| 20:14.54 | stargirl | heh |
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