| 00:00.14 | cmarqu | I tried to install the older version, but now ipkg says: |
| 00:00.23 | cmarqu | ipkg_conf_write_status_files: ERROR: Can't write status for package gpe-login2 since it has a NULL dest |
| 00:06.11 | pb_ | Argh indeed! |
| 00:06.28 | pb_ | That didn't happen for me, though, and it sounds suspiciously like an ipkg bug. |
| 00:06.38 | cmarqu | X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
| 00:06.38 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.38 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.38 | cmarqu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.56 | cmarqu | This is what gpe-login started by hand is saying. |
| 00:07.00 | pb_ | Hm, that normally means you are trying to run two keylaunches at once. |
| 00:07.16 | cmarqu | Could be a leftover, hmm. |
| 00:07.50 | cmarqu | ~ # gpe-login |
| 00:07.51 | cmarqu | /etc/X11/gpe-login.setup: cannot create /proc/sys/ts/suspend_button_mode: No such file or directory |
| 00:07.53 | cmarqu | init_keyboard |
| 00:07.56 | cmarqu | parse_rc |
| 00:07.59 | cmarqu | create_new_key |
| 00:08.04 | cmarqu | create_new_key |
| 00:08.06 | cmarqu | gpe-setbg: Setting background to pixmap 00e00002. |
| 00:08.09 | cmarqu | Segmentation fault |
| 00:08.11 | cmarqu | Which app is crashing here? |
| 00:08.13 | cmarqu | ~ # X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 00:08.15 | pb_ | gpe-login, I guess. |
| 00:08.26 | pb_ | weird, though. |
| 00:08.34 | pb_ | did you get /etc/gpe/locale.alias installed? |
| 00:08.47 | cmarqu | Yes. |
| 00:08.55 | cmarqu | It workd the first time I should say. |
| 00:09.04 | pb_ | Ah, that's suspicious. |
| 00:09.18 | pb_ | rm ~/.gpe/locale, see if that makes it work again. |
| 00:09.18 | cmarqu | I even successfully switched to "German", but couldn't switch back |
| 00:09.21 | cmarqu | Ah! |
| 00:09.53 | cmarqu | Yes. That was it. |
| 00:10.06 | pb_ | Okay. Maybe paul can have a look at that bug. :-) |
| 00:10.29 | cmarqu | Yep. Will file it tomorrow, it's really bedtime now. |
| 00:10.30 | pb_ | if not, I'll try to do so tomorrow or Friday. |
| 00:10.32 | cmarqu | Night again. |
| 00:10.36 | pb_ | Yeah, bedtime for me also. |
| 00:10.39 | pb_ | Night. |
| 00:15.18 | moray | spung: somewhere round the outside presumably? |
| 00:15.29 | moray | spung: although fitaly will only be optimised for English anyway I think? |
| 00:15.58 | moray | spung: it wouldn't be all that hard to find the letter frequencies for another language and rearrange things to be more appropriate |
| 00:16.13 | spung | moray: i guess the main fitaly optimisation is about not having to move your hand much |
| 00:16.22 | spung | the letters are all in the middle |
| 00:17.35 | moray | spung: yes, but I think it's also intended to have the more common letters in the 'best' positions? |
| 00:17.45 | spung | makes sense |
| 00:18.16 | spung | i'm not very confortable about creating a new layout though |
| 00:18.17 | spung | :D |
| 00:18.21 | chrisime_ | night guys |
| 00:18.25 | moray | night |
| 00:29.41 | spung | moray: do you know what i have to do to get "Portuguese" in the gpe-login dropdown? |
| 00:42.50 | moray | spung: hm, from a glance at the code it looks like it should just happen? |
| 00:43.05 | moray | spung: I'm not exactly sure how this is meant to have been implemented though |
| 00:43.24 | spung | moray: but, what packages should i have installed? |
| 00:43.45 | spung | i have locale-base-pt+pt |
| 00:44.58 | moray | spung: do you have an up-to-date gpe-login, and what languages does it list in the menu? |
| 00:45.12 | spung | yeah |
| 00:45.14 | spung | English |
| 00:45.19 | moray | spung: what's in /etc/gpe/locale.alias ? |
| 00:46.54 | spung | moray: i have no such file |
| 00:47.34 | moray | ah, well the gpe-login in CVS looks in that for what locales to list |
| 00:47.59 | moray | I don't know if that's in unstable yet, of course |
| 00:48.08 | spung | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/result.phtml?query=%2Fetc%2Fgpe%2Flocale.alias&searchtype=file§ion= |
| 00:48.09 | moray | but you could try making such a file |
| 00:48.29 | spung | there doesn't seem to be any package with that file |
| 00:48.46 | moray | just copy the English and Portuegese lines into /etc/gpe/locale.alias from gpe/base/gpe-login/locale.alias in CVS |
| 00:48.51 | moray | and check if that helps at all |
| 00:48.55 | spung | right |
| 00:49.13 | moray | as I say, it's possible you just need to wait for pb to upload newer packages |
| 00:50.52 | spung | doesn't help |
| 00:50.58 | spung | i'll wait for pb :) |
| 00:51.12 | spung | 8 minutes left for war |
| 00:51.17 | spung | gotta go watch the news |
| 00:51.25 | spung | cya [] |
| 00:51.55 | moray | yup |
| 00:52.10 | moray | (I don't have a television, so I'll just listen to the radio at my computer ;) |
| 00:53.53 | mallum | moray: do you listen to feeds or do you have some radio dongle thing ? |
| 00:54.31 | moray | hifi on the other side of the room ;) |
| 00:55.19 | moray | the university people tend to discourage too more bandwidth usage (but the hifi sounds better than the computer anyway) |
| 01:17.06 | mallum | hmm, anyone have a half decent 3100 scap ? |
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| 01:23.09 | mallum | jg: evening |
| 01:24.45 | jg | mallum: evening... |
| 01:25.02 | jg | mallum: welcome to our friendly war.... |
| 01:25.35 | mallum | jg: I've got the news on but it mr bush hasn't announced anything yet |
| 01:26.07 | jg | mallum: dunno what will happen when.... |
| 01:26.28 | jg | mallum: full moon right now: they might wait, but probably also depends on the weather. |
| 01:26.38 | mallum | jg: yeah and sandstorms etc |
| 01:27.49 | mallum | jg: can you get BBC TV news ? |
| 01:27.57 | jg | mallum: and, of course, intelligence on what the Iraq's may be doing.... |
| 01:28.19 | moray | I expect they want to wait some amount of time anyway, to make the Iraqis tired from waiting rather than comparatively ready |
| 01:28.43 | jg | mallum: no... I don't think so. Might be on the satellite system we get, but I've not seen it. |
| 01:28.51 | moray | although, we're quite possibly still bombing just now like we have been for the past N years |
| 01:38.03 | mallum | when the presient says go, watch out its hammer time |
| 01:38.08 | mallum | wtf! |
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| 07:42.13 | florian | hi all! |
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| 07:47.28 | florian | PaxAnima: hi |
| 07:48.00 | PaxAnima | hi, florian |
| 07:48.43 | florian | PaxAnima: are you in cambridge this weekend? |
| 07:50.58 | PaxAnima | florian: I'm afraid not... would have been to expensive, and I'm in the middle of an important period of my Master thesis work... :/ |
| 07:52.42 | florian | PaxAnima: :-/ |
| 07:56.39 | florian | I hope someone will install a webcam :-) |
| 07:56.53 | PaxAnima | ;) |
| 08:01.11 | PaxAnima | bbl |
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| 09:10.28 | paul | if you have problems with gpe-login, rm ~/.gpe/locale. |
| 09:10.44 | paul | (you'll have to do this if you plan on logging out) |
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| 09:20.54 | florian | cmarqu_werk: morning... |
| 09:21.08 | cmarqu_werk | Morning. |
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| 10:26.31 | pb_ | hi chaps |
| 10:26.56 | PaxAnima | morning, pb_ |
| 10:28.19 | pb_ | hi PaxAnima |
| 10:28.31 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: I just uploaded a new gpe-login with that segfault fixed. |
| 10:35.27 | paul | morning pb |
| 10:35.50 | paul | pb_: the gpe-login locale thingy is b0rken |
| 10:36.29 | paul | pb_: logout and gpe-login dies over and over again. |
| 10:39.25 | pb_ | paul: <pb_> cmarqu_werk: I just uploaded a new gpe-login with that segfault fixed. |
| 10:39.45 | paul | pb_: aha. what was it? |
| 10:41.06 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.11 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.14 | pb_ | GOBOOM |
| 10:41.20 | paul | doh. |
| 10:42.34 | paul | pb_: touchscreen lockup has been fixed, but it now has an interesting bug. |
| 10:43.44 | pb_ | ah. |
| 10:44.11 | paul | sometimes, as you xstroke, a line (ie drawn by xstroke) will suddenly run from bottom-left of the screen to the point where you started your stroke. |
| 10:44.33 | paul | (could be an xstroke bug, but that hasnt changed much recently, while the kernel has wrt to touchscreen) |
| 10:44.59 | pb_ | yup, seems fairly likely it's a kernel bug. |
| 10:45.34 | paul | also, rxvt has regressed. |
| 10:45.52 | pb_ | you'll have to be more specific than that. |
| 10:45.56 | paul | (and i /presume/ it was the recent xlib or xclients package update to unstable) |
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| 10:46.30 | paul | pb_: it appears to be confused by how many lines it should have. |
| 10:46.58 | paul | ie, run joe with screen in portrait mode - complete mess. |
| 10:47.05 | florian | back again... |
| 10:47.05 | paul | in landscape, its fine. |
| 10:47.29 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 10:47.44 | florian | pb_: hi |
| 10:47.59 | paul | pb_: dont know much about terminals, but its as if rxvt's terminal dimensions are fixed to its landscape size. |
| 10:49.10 | pb_ | ok |
| 10:49.34 | paul | pb_: i'll show you at the weekend. |
| 10:49.39 | paul | finally... |
| 10:49.55 | paul | the font used for gpe apparently changed recently. |
| 10:50.23 | paul | and its rather ugly imo. very thin and angular, but most annoyingly badly spaced. |
| 10:59.39 | pb_ | hm, that's strange. You didn't change your set of installed fonts? |
| 11:00.41 | pb_ | on your rxvt thing, can you do "stty -a" and see what it reports for rows and columns? |
| 11:04.36 | paul | LOL... i cant login. |
| 11:04.52 | paul | pb_: will do that tonight. |
| 11:06.56 | pb_ | ah, heh, right. |
| 11:16.52 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Thanks for the new package, will install it before I head off for nils |
| 11:19.49 | pb_ | Ah, right, very likely. |
| 11:20.34 | cmarqu_werk | Fortunately, you can still scroll around with the cursor. |
| 11:28.02 | florian | who chreated the new bluez-utils ipk? |
| 11:28.09 | pb_ | Andy, I guess. |
| 11:28.22 | florian | pb_: do you know why? |
| 11:28.31 | pb_ | no. |
| 11:29.46 | florian | i installed this ipk and recent 2.4.19... now bluetooth doesn't work anymore :-/ |
| 11:29.53 | pb_ | heh, oh dear. |
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| 11:31.23 | florian | my ipaq freezes if i run an inquiry... mybe i find time to investigate this later |
| 11:31.41 | pb_ | hm, does sound bad. |
| 11:32.02 | pb_ | and sadly it now seems that Andy may not be coming to the dev weekend after all. |
| 11:32.28 | florian | :-/ |
| 11:33.27 | florian | i have to leave this place... bbl |
| 11:33.30 | pb_ | later. |
| 11:33.42 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Oh. How about jamey? |
| 11:35.02 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: No. It seems that due to the outbreak of war, HP have cancelled all international travel except for "essential, revenue-generating customer meetings". |
| 11:36.09 | cmarqu_werk | :-( |
| 11:36.15 | pb_ | Yeah, sucks. |
| 11:37.17 | pb_ | I'm not quite sure what the logic behind that position is, to be honest. It doesn't seem that flying from London to Boston is likely to be significantly more hazardous now, but still. |
| 11:37.50 | cmarqu_werk | Right... |
| 11:39.00 | pb_ | It's also not yet clear whether this cancellation is definite or not. I guess Jamey should know for sure later today. |
| 11:39.11 | cmarqu_werk | Probably a general rule regardless of flight destination. |
| 11:39.22 | pb_ | Probably. |
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| 11:59.50 | florian | re |
| 11:59.53 | pb_ | florian: re |
| 12:13.01 | pb_ | florian: ah, did you see that bug Colin filed about the A-Z tabs in gpe-contacts? |
| 12:14.58 | florian | pb_: not yet - just finished the missing homedir creation in gpe-conf... |
| 12:16.41 | pb_ | ah, cool |
| 12:19.46 | cmarqu_werk | If we had a libfigment, we could make the Notes tab in gpe-contacts use it. Would be nice for travel routes. |
| 12:20.24 | pb_ | Yes, that might be neat. Maybe you could suggest it to Matthew. |
| 12:20.52 | cmarqu_werk | Yep. |
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| 12:38.18 | florian_ | looks like linux-arm is not vulnerable to this ptrace exploit... at least the demo exploit will not work :-) |
| 12:39.31 | pb_ | heh |
| 12:39.54 | pb_ | I think there is a new 2.4.19 patch out for arm to supposedly fix the exploit, so I guess it must be vulnerable to some variant. |
| 12:44.25 | florian_ | yep, but it seems to be another way to achive this won arm - e.g. arm seems to have no usr_regs_struct, this prevents the exploit code to compile... |
| 12:45.14 | pb_ | ah. |
| 12:45.22 | pb_ | it's probably just called something else. |
| 12:47.13 | florian_ | yes, think so - is the patch in handhelds kernel cvs? |
| 12:47.58 | pb_ | not yet, I don't think. |
| 12:48.06 | pb_ | it's probably in netwinder.org cvs by now. |
| 12:48.47 | florian_ | hmm... how to make something in /proc writable for users? |
| 13:07.19 | florian_ | updated: http://www.handhelds.org/~florian/bugs.html |
| 13:07.24 | pb_ | ah cool |
| 13:07.46 | pb_ | btw, the rxvt scrollbar-on-right thing should be fixed now |
| 13:08.08 | pb_ | I'm not quite sure what ".desktop should start correct binary" means. |
| 13:10.39 | florian_ | yep, great - forgot to change thos both |
| 13:10.47 | florian_ | s/thos/this |
| 13:11.19 | florian_ | the .desktop pointed to the wrong binary some time ago, but this seems to be ok now |
| 13:11.24 | pb_ | ah right |
| 13:13.38 | florian_ | oh... that's it, this is still the old one... |
| 13:15.36 | florian_ | looks like handhelds.org doesn't like me :-/ |
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| 13:25.08 | florian_ | ok - now it's really there :-) |
| 13:25.20 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:34.44 | florian_ | bbl |
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| 13:47.56 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 14:40.33 | stargirl | does anyone knwo where one can get a zaurus for cheaply? |
| 14:40.50 | mallum | ebay ? |
| 14:41.22 | stargirl | no, like new ones |
| 14:41.38 | stargirl | (they're for my research group -- we can't put in purchase order forms to ebay :-) ) |
| 14:42.09 | pb_ | stargirl: try Digi UK |
| 14:42.24 | pb_ | or |
| 14:42.27 | pb_ | ibot, cheap zaurii? |
| 14:42.28 | | hmm... cheap zaurii is http://www.hsn.com/cnt/prod/default.aspx?pfid=694341&club_id=694341&sz=6&sf=EC&dept=&cat= |
| 14:42.37 | pb_ | that lot, but I think they are only in the US. |
| 14:44.37 | stargirl | cool okay I'll take a look |
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| 14:54.52 | mallum | jg: hi there |
| 14:55.09 | jg | mallum: hi. |
| 14:56.16 | mallum | jg: dont 'spose you can remember what the define is for an xfree xcompile for optimised compiler flags, but _only_ for the x-compiler ? |
| 14:58.47 | jg | mallum: I'm afraid today is shot by politics. Please see slashdot..... |
| 14:59.39 | mallum | jg: oh, its begun |
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| 15:11.45 | florian | re |
| 15:12.08 | PaxAnima | re? |
| 15:12.17 | PaxAnima | (always wondered what "re" is) |
| 15:15.11 | pb_ | florian: re |
| 15:15.20 | pb_ | jg: morning |
| 15:15.52 | jg | pb_: morning. |
| 15:16.24 | paul | is tinyx a fork? |
| 15:16.40 | mallum | paul: no, it part of the xfree dist |
| 15:16.59 | jg | tinyx is a smaller driver interface. |
| 15:17.30 | jg | it does not attempt to solve all the problems the desktop server tries to (e.g. loadable drivers, 3D/DRI, etc). |
| 15:17.46 | paul | mallum: ah |
| 15:18.03 | paul | mallum: btw, the menu scrollbars work fine. thanks! |
| 15:18.05 | mallum | paul: see xc/programs/XServer/hw/kdrive |
| 15:18.12 | paul | k |
| 15:18.23 | mallum | paul: cool :-), there a little rough around the edges at the mo |
| 15:18.36 | paul | mallum: it does the job :) |
| 15:19.03 | mallum | paul: thats stoopid apps not starting bug should be fixed aswell |
| 15:19.11 | paul | mallum: yes it is |
| 15:20.11 | paul | jg: the joys of only needing to support a reasonably well-defined arch i guess |
| 15:26.04 | cmarqu | Off to nils. See you tomorrow. pb_, I'll call you for the breakfast meeting, okay? |
| 15:26.21 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yup, cool. See you tomorrow. |
| 15:28.43 | florian | how nice to hear this :-) |
| 15:29.10 | florian | btw. will we have an accesspoint? |
| 15:29.52 | pb_ | florian: I'm not sure yet, it depends what Moray can arrange. I do have a spare AP, it's a question of getting it set up and so on. |
| 15:31.10 | florian | pb_: what could be the problem? setting up an ap should not be too difficult... |
| 15:31.43 | pb_ | florian: it's more a question of what network resources are provided at the venue, in terms of IP addresses, conflicting with their existing wireless network and so on. |
| 15:31.59 | moray | pb_: presumably if we get the 'internal' wired network going off the wireless, we can then plug the AP into that on a different channel and hope, I suppose... |
| 15:35.41 | florian | pb_: we could add a gateway for nat, this would solve any ip problems. a few wireless lans at one place shhould be no problem. at cebit we hat about twenty... |
| 15:37.32 | pb_ | florian: actually, I think this AP has NAT builtin, so there should be no problem |
| 15:40.19 | florian | pb_: this makes may things easier... dhcp too? then everything should be really easy... |
| 15:40.32 | pb_ | florian: yes, dhcp also. |
| 15:40.51 | pb_ | I just need to find the documentation so I can configure the address it uses for NAT. |
| 15:41.07 | florian | pb_: great - then i suppose power supply will be our largest problem |
| 15:41.26 | pb_ | I can probably bring a few power strips, so that should be OK also. |
| 15:41.45 | moray | pb_: ah right, that might be useful since I haven't had a chance to investigate what's in the room in that respect |
| 15:42.10 | pb_ | ok. anything else? |
| 15:44.11 | moray | pb_: well, hopefully stargirl's providing a router type machine from along the road |
| 15:44.26 | pb_ | cool |
| 15:48.32 | florian | i think we have at least one adapter we can use for our plugs... i'm not shure if our notebooks power cables are usable in uk |
| 15:50.16 | pb_ | Might be a good idea to bring some European-style power strips as well, in that case. I might have one or two adapters as well, I'll have to check. |
| 15:51.10 | florian | ah, ok - great... w'll do... i think this solves another problem :-) |
| 15:54.53 | moray | you should probably put even those into your checked-in luggage these days, or they'll decide you're dangerous for having sharp metal things for no reason they can think of... |
| 15:55.34 | moray | (certainly the people checking at the London airports have been silly for a while, and are presumably worse with the war) |
| 15:58.54 | florian | yep, this is a good idea... |
| 15:59.01 | florian | (crazy....) |
| 15:59.45 | pb_ | jg: I hear jamey's euro-tour looks like being disrupted by the war as well. |
| 16:03.33 | florian | :-(( |
| 16:04.02 | florian | has the mapping of the ipaqs keys changed?! |
| 16:04.11 | pb_ | not that I know of. |
| 16:04.31 | florian | key=???XF86Start:Programs:/usr/bin/gpe-filemanager |
| 16:04.42 | florian | this doesn't work anymore :_/ |
| 16:04.43 | pb_ | what Xserver are you using? |
| 16:04.45 | jg | pb_: looks like it. Sigh... Not too surprising. |
| 16:05.30 | florian | i thint the latest from unstable |
| 16:06.07 | florian | s/thint/think |
| 16:06.22 | pb_ | I don't think that's changed for a long time. |
| 16:06.28 | pb_ | Can you check with xev to see what events are generated? |
| 16:07.28 | moray | hm, are we sure this isn't a mb*-taking-over thing? |
| 16:07.58 | florian | wee... this is possible |
| 16:08.02 | moray | (although it's possibly the xserver I suppose) |
| 16:08.09 | florian | hmm... no xev :-/ |
| 16:08.22 | moray | (or something failing to set up the key map properly, I mean) |
| 16:08.25 | pb_ | florian: run it from another machine with $DISPLAY set |
| 16:08.49 | florian | ok, i'll check this later - i have to pick up my girlfriend... |
| 16:09.00 | pb_ | ok |
| 16:09.16 | florian | pb_: ok, thanks... i'll do that |
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| 16:10.03 | florian | bbl |
| 16:21.13 | mallum | jg: jamey is not coming over ? |
| 16:22.41 | jg | mallum: don't think so. |
| 16:23.07 | jg | HP has banned non revenue geneating travel until things are more clear. |
| 16:23.08 | mallum | jg: bummer |
| 16:23.34 | jg | mallum: under the circumstances, I understand why.... |
| 16:25.03 | mallum | jg: yes, maybe he could fly to france, then get the chunnel to england :-) |
| 16:25.27 | mallum | jg: btw new xpkgs uploaded to http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xpkgs/ |
| 17:59.41 | mallum | http://www.iisvr.com/products_mobility_ssm1100_specs.html |
| 18:13.47 | nelson | sipphone or gnome-meeting? |
| 18:13.51 | nelson | which way is gpe going? |
| 18:14.22 | pb_ | dunno. depends on how many GNOME libraries you need for gnome-meeting, I guess. |
| 18:15.00 | mallum | nelson: gnome-meeting Id hope, apparently you can compile it with just gtk ( no gnome ), I think theres rumoured to be some issues with its deps on non x86 platofrms though |
| 18:16.13 | nelson | moray: the people at one of the gates wanted to take my laser pointer away -- after the fourth trip through the same gate! |
| 18:16.43 | pb_ | nelson: presumably you blinded them with it and made good your escape. |
| 18:17.03 | mallum | hehe |
| 18:17.40 | mallum | or used it to attract a cat to pounce on them and scratch there eyes out |
| 18:17.57 | nelson | mallum: is there a problem with scap on the 3100? |
| 18:18.38 | mallum | nelson: Im not sure, I try to avoid my 3100 |
| 18:19.14 | nelson | sigh, no, they were going to make me fill out a form, and give it back after hte flight. I just threw it in the trash (I only paid six million for it) and said "There, it's not my problem anymore." |
| 18:19.17 | mallum | nelson: any idea what would happen if I sent a 640x480 fb contents to scap btw ? |
| 18:19.43 | nelson | mallum: scap looks at the file size to decide what kind of fb it is, so I'd have to add support for it. |
| 18:20.23 | mallum | nelson: and they then arrested you for disruptive behaviour before labotamising you ? |
| 18:20.52 | nelson | mallum: I'm sorry, no, it expects to be told what the model is. |
| 18:21.11 | nelson | mallum: well, I raised my voice in incredulity, and they threatened to hit me with a bobby. |
| 18:21.36 | nelson | mallum: where have you found a 640x480 fb? |
| 18:23.14 | nelson | mallum: I'd be happy to add support for it. Get me a dump of /dev/fb0 and a clue as to what it looks like. |
| 18:31.43 | mallum | nelson: okey on my c700 |
| 18:32.30 | mallum | nelson: here are some 'physical' scaps |
| 18:32.33 | mallum | nelson: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/c700/ |
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| 19:25.33 | mallum | pb_: any idea why ipkg thinks 4.2.XXXX is a newer version than 4.3 ? |
| 19:26.08 | pb_ | mallum: what are the exact version strings? |
| 19:26.23 | pb_ | I'll have to run them through ipkg-compareversions to see. |
| 19:27.20 | mallum | pb_: its these x packages, I've installed them locally but ipkg seems to think the ones in unstable are newer |
| 19:27.37 | pb_ | oh, that may not be related to versions. |
| 19:28.01 | pb_ | ipkg tends to look down on packages that it can't find in a feed. |
| 19:28.15 | mallum | pb_: okey, I'll install the packages from a feed |
| 19:28.50 | pb_ | You don't need to actually reinstall them, just make sure ipkg can see a feed that includes the version you want. |
| 19:29.42 | mallum | pb_: yeah I have slightly newer ones in a feed anyway |
| 19:29.57 | pb_ | ok |
| 19:33.44 | moray | mallum: although you may also be hitting the 'ipkg getting confused by the same package in several feeds' bug (whose symptom is to install an older version because it's the newest in one of the feeds) - unless that's been fixed yet? |
| 19:34.58 | mallum | moray: what Im doing is pretty dodgy anyway :-) , installing fam packages from unstable over an OZ base .... |
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| 19:48.22 | nelson | mallum: where are the /dev/fb0 dumps? |
| 19:48.32 | nelson | mallum: dd if=/dev/fb0 of=foobar |
| 19:55.57 | mallum | nelson: one sec |
| 19:57.42 | mallum | nelson: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/fboobar |
| 19:57.49 | mallum | nelson: its big -> 1.5Mb |
| 19:58.32 | mallum | does dillo work for anyone ? |
| 20:16.41 | nelson | mallum: no. |
| 20:16.45 | nelson | it works on slashdot as long as I don't load too large a page. |
| 20:16.49 | nelson | mallum: but it doesn't work on http://denbeste.nu for example. |
| 20:26.35 | mallum | nelson: it display nothing for me anymore :( |
| 20:27.09 | mallum | nelson: no even yahoo |
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| 21:57.30 | pigeon | Morning #gpe. |
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| 22:30.12 | pb_ | pigeon: yo. |
| 22:30.33 | pigeon | pb_: Hey! |
| 22:43.00 | nelson | mallum: any clue what the file format is? |
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| 22:55.06 | chrisime | pb_: hi, no coding today. i need a day without coding ;) |
| 22:55.23 | chrisime | code will follow tomorrow + at the weekend |
| 22:57.09 | pb_ | chrisime: ok, cool. |
| 22:58.15 | chrisime | i still need to figure out why my GUI is fucked up now |
| 22:58.26 | chrisime | it's (the code) so clean now |
| 22:58.56 | pb_ | aha |
| 22:59.51 | chrisime | but i'm under mac os x ATM, so i don't care about code now *g* |
| 23:18.15 | mallum | ewe |
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| 23:22.57 | tuhl | chrisime: Du bist ja auch über all zu Hause.... |
| 23:27.26 | chrisime | tuhl: hehe |
| 23:27.38 | chrisime | tuhl: ich verschlimmbessere gpe-calendar *g* |
| 23:28.45 | mallum | nelson: I suspect its 480x640 packed like 565 |
| 23:29.07 | tuhl | chrisime: welchen PDA benutzt Du? |
| 23:32.05 | spung | cmarqu: ping |
| 23:33.20 | chrisime | tuhl: hab keinen |
| 23:33.39 | chrisime | tuhl: ich krieg jetzt dann nen ipaq 37xx oder 38xx von der uni |
| 23:33.50 | tuhl | chrisime: wieso? |
| 23:34.14 | chrisime | weil ich an nem lehrstuhl arbeite wo ich ne schriften authentifizierungssoftware stricke |
| 23:34.36 | chrisime | und ich hab nen OSS-Seminar nextes semester, und da hab ich mir au ne pda-sache ausgesucht |
| 23:34.38 | tuhl | chrisime: wie entwickelst Du dann? in einem emulator? |
| 23:34.45 | chrisime | was |
| 23:34.59 | tuhl | gpe-calenar |
| 23:35.04 | chrisime | am laptop |
| 23:35.38 | chrisime | geht ganz gut, ausser dass ich ned seh wie's in "echt" aussihet |
| 23:35.40 | tuhl | ist die gtk umgebung 1:1 kompatibel? |
| 23:36.18 | chrisime | ja |
| 23:36.26 | chrisime | gpe braucht nen xserver |
| 23:36.28 | chrisime | das gut |
| 23:36.36 | chrisime | und nen windowmanager (matchbox) |
| 23:36.40 | tuhl | was wird den so in diesen OSS seminaren gemacht? |
| 23:36.50 | chrisime | + ne extra lib: libgpewidget |
| 23:36.59 | chrisime | tuhl: sec |
| 23:37.56 | chrisime | http://wwwbruegge.in.tum.de/teaching/ss03/OSS/ |
| 23:38.07 | chrisime | Linux: ein erfolgsblabla |
| 23:38.09 | chrisime | is meins |
| 23:38.22 | chrisime | wir muessen au zu nem projekt was beitragen |
| 23:38.39 | chrisime | der lehrstuhl macht immer so experimentelle sachen, find ich gut |
| 23:38.48 | chrisime | normal ist ein seminar nix mit coden |
| 23:40.57 | mallum | nien nien nien ! |
| 23:41.01 | mallum | dast ist false |
| 23:41.16 | tuhl | so ein seminar hätte ich auch gerne gehabt :-) |
| 23:41.19 | mallum | ich bin potato |
| 23:41.46 | tuhl | mallum: kartoffel |
| 23:42.00 | mallum | tuhl: Jimberrish ! |
| 23:43.09 | spung | sprechen sie deutsch? |
| 23:43.12 | spung | i don't |
| 23:43.16 | mallum | bollow |
| 23:43.20 | mallum | bollox |
| 23:43.25 | mallum | rather |
| 23:52.25 | moray | mallum: hm, maybe cockney rhyming slang would be the way to strike back? |
| 23:53.26 | mallum | yes guvnor |
| 23:56.46 | chrisime | oh, the SIMPad sl4 is cheap! |
| 23:57.57 | spung | chrisime: how much? |
| 23:58.48 | chrisime | 325 euros |
| 23:59.07 | chrisime | cheaper than the zaurus (335) |
| 23:59.16 | spung | chrisime: specs? |
| 23:59.28 | mallum | where from ? |