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| 08:24.00 | paul | cmarqu! |
| 08:24.38 | cmarqu_werk | Hi paul |
| 08:25.06 | paul | 1 double, 1 twin, 1 single - 25 per person iirc. |
| 08:25.27 | cmarqu_werk | Sounds okay to me. |
| 08:25.29 | paul | want to confirm with the proposed occupants of the double room that i should book it? :) |
| 08:25.47 | cmarqu_werk | Let's wait for florian so that he can call nils. |
| 08:25.51 | paul | k |
| 09:02.59 | cmarqu_werk | I wonder what that gpe-shoppinglist scap is. |
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| 09:21.47 | florian | morning! |
| 09:22.24 | florian | cmarqu_werk: removed this frames: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22922.png |
| 09:22.51 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Ah, nice. |
| 09:24.10 | cmarqu_werk | I winder if we could lose the "size", i.e., just say "Total: 42.23 MB". |
| 09:24.28 | cmarqu_werk | Gives some more room for the mountpoint. |
| 09:24.33 | florian | cmarqu_werk: i'm not perfectly happy with this layout, but it looks better than the original. |
| 09:25.08 | cmarqu_werk | And the percentage in the bar could also state the used MBs. |
| 09:25.09 | florian | yes, good idea |
| 09:25.38 | cmarqu_werk | And is it "Mounted at", not "mounted on"? |
| 09:26.00 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Ah, and paul said "1 double, 1 twin, 1 single - 25 per person iirc." |
| 09:26.13 | florian | hmmm... i'm not shure if this is too much text for this bar... |
| 09:27.07 | florian | cmarqu_werk: yep, i was here yesterday evening... passed this information along to petra :-) |
| 09:27.33 | cmarqu_werk | Ah okay. I'd say yes to price and place. |
| 09:29.12 | florian | yep, sounds good - but we should not need to hurry... i think this city is a quiet place :-) |
| 09:29.58 | cmarqu_werk | Could be. But Abbey's seems to be small, and we are 5 persons. |
| 09:31.20 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Do you know what this is?: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32561.png |
| 09:33.33 | florian | cmarqu_werk: no, i saw this yesterday evening... looks nice - but who coded this? |
| 09:34.04 | cmarqu_werk | Don't know. It looks more like Gnome, not GPE. |
| 09:37.35 | paul | off to work. |
| 09:37.37 | paul | bfn |
| 09:39.56 | florian | hmm yes, i heard from some crazy people running gnome on their ipaqs... |
| 09:41.45 | cmarqu_werk | This seems to be a port in progress or somehting like that. |
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| 09:42.44 | drkness | hi ppl |
| 09:42.51 | florian | hi |
| 09:43.06 | drkness | hi florian hows going? |
| 09:43.19 | cmarqu_werk | Hi drkness |
| 09:43.29 | drkness | hi cmarqu_werk |
| 09:43.31 | florian | yes, this could be - which language is this? |
| 09:44.25 | florian | drkness: good - like yesterday, not enough time to code all good ideas :-) |
| 09:44.44 | drkness | k.. always happens |
| 09:44.54 | drkness | guys where can I get the pxa development kernel from ? |
| 09:45.33 | florian | should be in handhelds cvs |
| 09:46.59 | drkness | florian: I'm behind a proxy wondering if its not tarred someplace |
| 09:47.27 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Italian I think. |
| 09:47.41 | cmarqu_werk | Maybe it's dan_t's app. |
| 09:48.47 | florian | drkness: hmm... this could be difficult, i could create one this evening... |
| 09:49.22 | drkness | florian: thanks.. I'll try some other means before I truble you with it |
| 09:49.42 | florian | cmarqu_werk: for me it looks like Klingon (with a wrong font) ;-) |
| 09:49.52 | florian | drkness: ok |
| 09:50.17 | florian | ok, let's do some work... i'll be back later |
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| 10:04.02 | dan_t | hello |
| 10:04.50 | drkness | hi dan_t |
| 10:05.09 | dan_t | hello dk |
| 10:05.12 | dan_t | hello drkness |
| 10:06.07 | drkness | hi dan_t hows going? |
| 10:09.29 | dan_t | drkness: well, tahnks, today i haven't university lessons, i must study but i'm playng with gpe... |
| 10:09.57 | drkness | dan_t: happens... |
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| 10:17.43 | dan_t | pb_: i have noticed a bug of miniapm, can you look here: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20276.png |
| 10:18.18 | pb_ | heh, oh dear. |
| 10:18.24 | pb_ | that's actually minibat, by the way, not miniapm. |
| 10:19.21 | dan_t | pb_: ahh sorry |
| 10:19.23 | pb_ | I will have a look at that as soon as I have a working ipaq again. It looks like maybe it is caused by screen rotation or something like that. |
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| 10:20.25 | dan_t | pb__: i have some problems with miniapm: |
| 10:20.27 | dan_t | ~ # miniapm |
| 10:20.27 | dan_t | blocking ... |
| 10:20.27 | dan_t | not blocked ... |
| 10:20.27 | dan_t | configure notify |
| 10:20.27 | dan_t | miniapm debug: img_backing is 0x12db0 |
| 10:20.30 | dan_t | blocking ... |
| 10:20.32 | dan_t | not blocked ... |
| 10:20.36 | dan_t | blocking ... |
| 10:20.38 | dan_t | not blocked ... |
| 10:20.40 | dan_t | blocking ... |
| 10:20.42 | dan_t | not blocked ... |
| 10:20.44 | dan_t | blocking ... |
| 10:23.10 | pb_ | dan_t: I don't really know anything about miniapm. You'd have to talk to mallum about that. |
| 10:23.18 | dan_t | pb_: ok |
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| 10:26.02 | Hallski | morning mallum |
| 10:26.07 | dan_t | mallum: hi, i have a problem with miniapm |
| 10:26.38 | dan_t | ~ # miniapm |
| 10:26.39 | dan_t | blocking ... |
| 10:26.39 | dan_t | not blocked ... |
| 10:26.39 | dan_t | configure notify |
| 10:26.39 | dan_t | miniapm debug: img_backing is 0x12db0 |
| 10:26.41 | dan_t | blocking ... |
| 10:26.43 | dan_t | not blocked ... |
| 10:27.24 | mallum | dan_t: thats just debug info for me to figure out why some dock apps white themselves out |
| 10:27.27 | mallum | Hallski: heya |
| 10:27.55 | dan_t | mallum: sure, but why miniapm doesn't show ? |
| 10:29.02 | mallum | dan_t: if I new that, the debug info wouldn't be there :-) |
| 10:29.25 | mallum | dan_t: what version of matchbox are you running ( miniapm should be fixed in later versions ) |
| 10:29.44 | dan_t | mallum: the one in unstable feed i think |
| 10:30.09 | mallum | dan_t: yeah its broke there |
| 10:30.34 | dan_t | mallum: there is a place where i can find updated packages ? |
| 10:32.29 | mallum | dan_t: there should hopefully be a new one in unstable today :-) |
| 10:33.47 | dan_t | mallum: ok, thanks but i was thinkig that in the unstable feed there was the most updated packages... |
| 10:36.02 | mallum | dan_t: As matchbox is a pretty core component ( eg it breaks badly and thus everything is broke ), I like to test things a little more before dumping them in unstable more out of politeness than anything |
| 10:37.06 | mallum | dan_t: if you want, you can play with http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox_0.5pre.20030307-1_arm.ipk |
| 10:37.30 | mallum | dan_t: just do a ipkg install http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox_0.5pre.20030307-1_arm.ipk |
| 10:38.03 | dan_t | mallum: tahnks, i'll try |
| 10:38.47 | dan_t | mallum: new package conflicts with mb-themes ? |
| 10:39.36 | mallum | dan_t: yep remove that, the themeing format has changed slightly ( its easy to port old themes ) |
| 10:41.29 | dan_t | mallum: failed to open /root/.menu |
| 10:41.30 | dan_t | failed to load image: gpe-today.png |
| 10:41.30 | dan_t | failed to load image: /usr/share/pixmaps/rotation-p.xpm |
| 10:41.30 | dan_t | failed to load image: /usr/share/pixmaps/rotation-ll.xpm |
| 10:41.30 | dan_t | failed to load image: /usr/share/pixmaps/rotation-lr.xpm |
| 10:41.30 | dan_t | failed to load image: /usr/share/pixmaps/rotation-i.xpm |
| 10:42.20 | mallum | dan_t: thats nothing to worry about |
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| 10:47.54 | dan_t | mallum: now i need to restart gpe i think |
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| 10:50.01 | dan_t | mallum: there is other themes apart the default one ? |
| 10:50.44 | paul | mallum: the latest matchbox works fine - ta! |
| 10:51.07 | mallum | paul: cool |
| 10:51.43 | mallum | dan_t: yes - xst write Net/ThemeName str bluebox |
| 10:51.50 | mallum | dan_t: or blondie or gorilla |
| 10:53.55 | paul | mallum: your suggestion about running a 2nd dock. |
| 10:55.03 | paul | mallum: it doesnt really "work" (in the abstract sense - eg "it doesnt 'do it' for me"). its a but cumbersome. eg if you run the 2nd dock at south, then once you hide it its very difficult to bring it back up. |
| 10:55.32 | paul | if you run it north it takes up a few pixels of screen estate at the top of screen when hidden |
| 10:56.40 | pigeon | mallum: I realized a different behavior for the mbdock popup menu. |
| 10:57.01 | paul | mallum: ideally you'd have a button on your dock that would bring up a little dock that could hold infrequently used dockapps. |
| 10:57.12 | paul | mallum: aha, such as? |
| 10:59.42 | pigeon | mallum: Holding down the stylus on mbdock will bring up the popup menu. Releasing the stylus will cause the popup menu to disappear. Previous versions of matchbox doesn't behave like that. |
| 10:59.45 | dan_t | mallum: i have found a nice beviatur of marchbox. the top buttons that scroll the main window when necessary are only hidden when not necessary but if you click in that point you can scroll anyway :-) |
| 11:01.05 | dan_t | mallum: there is a think that i doesn't like of matchbox: the aspect of menu entryes when them are clicked down. |
| 11:02.37 | dan_t | s/think/thing/ |
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| 11:09.10 | pb_ | dc_: morning |
| 11:09.20 | dc_ | pb_: good morning |
| 11:10.10 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 11:14.36 | paul | flo/cmarqu: to book or not to book? or is there somethign better. also, are you flying to stansted? if so when? |
| 11:17.58 | mallum | paul: yes a little 'popup' dock could be pretty cool |
| 11:18.11 | paul | mallum: yes it would be *hint* *hint* :) |
| 11:18.36 | mallum | paul: dont expect that soon though ... |
| 11:18.50 | paul | mallum: no worries, its not ultra-important :) |
| 11:19.11 | dc_ | mallum: morning |
| 11:19.13 | dc_ | : |
| 11:19.15 | dc_ | :] |
| 11:19.40 | dc_ | pb_: if I commit that libgpewidget code would you mind having a look at it? |
| 11:19.46 | pb_ | dc_: sure, go for it. |
| 11:20.00 | dc_ | pb_: it does a make fine so it shouldn't bust up libgpewidget or anything |
| 11:20.04 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 11:20.11 | cmarqu_werk | paul: We are arriving 7:20am in Stansted (yes, thats a.m.). Yes to book from me, not sure about florian. |
| 11:20.18 | paul | am? eek. |
| 11:20.31 | paul | cmarqu_werk: on friday? |
| 11:20.35 | cmarqu_werk | Well, we can walk around town etc. |
| 11:20.43 | cmarqu_werk | paul: Yes, Friday |
| 11:21.03 | dc_ | what time does our event start on firday? |
| 11:21.26 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: we can meet for a little light breakfast in town if you like :-) |
| 11:21.31 | paul | cmarqu_werk: is there gpe stuff planned for friday? i didnt think so.. |
| 11:21.45 | cmarqu_werk | paul: Got a cell phone? Wanna trade numbers? |
| 11:21.56 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Ah, that would be cool. |
| 11:22.03 | paul | yep "Paul Jakma" +353 86 831 6243 |
| 11:22.42 | cmarqu_werk | paul: No, nothing planned, but we could hack anyway. It was just the cheapest flight, and since we need to take a day off on Friday in almost any case... |
| 11:22.59 | cmarqu_werk | "Colin Marquardt" +49 711 800 1331 |
| 11:23.11 | dc_ | find the nearest hacking cafe ;] |
| 11:25.36 | cmarqu_werk | Admit it, who wrote http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32561.png ? |
| 11:26.10 | dc_ | gpe-shoppinglist :F |
| 11:26.52 | dc_ | does that look like a glade made ui? |
| 11:27.45 | pb_ | paul: btw, should you need it, my cellphone is +44 7973 869202. |
| 11:28.49 | paul | pb_: damn you - i just suspended my ipaq :) |
| 11:28.51 | pb_ | dc_: yeah, the event proper is not due to start until Saturday. But, like Colin says, there is no reason we can't do stuff on Friday as well. |
| 11:28.55 | paul | pb_: ta :) |
| 11:29.23 | pb_ | dc_: there is certainly no need to rush to arrive early on Friday; in the evening would be fine. |
| 11:29.47 | dc_ | yah. |
| 11:32.27 | cmarqu_werk | Is it "mounted at /mnt/hda/" or "mounted on /mnt/hda/"? |
| 11:32.28 | pb_ | btw, the Internet Exchange in Cambridge is reputedly offering wifi access now, should anybody find themselves in the city on Friday and needing a net connection. |
| 11:32.53 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: either is fine. I guess I would say "mounted on". |
| 11:33.46 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Cool. If we can have breakfast together, you have to point us to nice places. :) |
| 11:34.08 | cmarqu_werk | "mounted at" sounded a little bit strange to me. |
| 11:34.34 | pb_ | cmarqu_werk: Sure. I guess you should be in town by about 8am. My office is right by the train station, so I suggest you phone me when you arrive and I will walk over to meet you. |
| 11:35.00 | paul | i'm planning on arriving around 9 or 10 in the evening. |
| 11:35.13 | cmarqu_werk | pb_: Great. |
| 11:35.48 | cmarqu_werk | paul: BTW, do you know how we have to pay at Abbey's? |
| 11:36.37 | paul | i guess cash |
| 11:38.38 | pb_ | They probably take credit cards as well. |
| 11:38.53 | paul | fingers crossed :) |
| 11:39.15 | pb_ | well, it's easy to get cash out of an ATM if you need it. |
| 11:39.22 | paul | you can always take money out of an ATM with cc card |
| 11:39.31 | pb_ | right :-) |
| 11:39.34 | paul | :) |
| 11:40.02 | cmarqu_werk | Sure, I was thinking if they required some advance payment to hold the reservations or something. |
| 11:40.42 | pb_ | I doubt they actually want payment, but they may want to take a credit card number as security. |
| 11:40.57 | cmarqu_werk | Ok. |
| 11:41.30 | pb_ | Usually what they do is get authorisation to charge the card, but not actually put the transaction through. Then they can charge you for the room if you fail to show up. |
| 11:55.18 | paul | pb_: depends on the length of time. auths expire within a few days. |
| 12:09.51 | pb_ | btw, I added some subjects for discussion, etc. to the GPEDevWeekend wiki page. Anybody else who thinks of topics, please feel free to add them. |
| 12:11.43 | cmarqu_werk | And I added a "Things to bring" section. |
| 12:13.29 | paul | pb_: "can we do something about the screen locker?" - whats the issue? |
| 12:14.13 | dan_t | how much tall must be icons to fitt into mbdock ? |
| 12:14.43 | pb_ | paul: The executive summary is that it sucks. To expand on that slightly, it involves keeping gpe-login hanging around in memory all the time; there is no provision for displaying owner info and so on while the screen is locked; and you can't currently suspend the ipaq or toggle the backlight when it is in that state. |
| 12:15.12 | paul | have a screensaver process? |
| 12:15.16 | PaxAnima | dan_t: they are scaled by mbdock |
| 12:15.48 | pb_ | Yeah, maybe. I'm not quite sure what the right answer is yet. |
| 12:16.28 | paul | ok - the button wont do it, but mine does suspend eventually (ipaq-sleep). |
| 12:17.17 | pb_ | Indeed. I don't think it's totally fatal if the answer is "no, there is nothing we can do in this timeframe", but it's soemthing to think about. |
| 12:22.56 | dan_t | PaxAnima: cool, thanks |
| 12:25.01 | dan_t | PaxAnima: how i can change icon for mbmenu ? |
| 12:27.01 | dan_t | mallum: how i can change icon for mbmenu ? |
| 12:32.51 | PaxAnima | dan_t: edit /usr/share/applications/mbmenu.desktop |
| 13:01.57 | dan_t | PaxAnima: are you sure ? |
| 13:02.06 | dan_t | PaxAnima: it doesn't work for me |
| 13:02.37 | PaxAnima | and the icon is located in /usr/share/pixmaps? |
| 13:03.49 | dan_t | PaxAnima: sure, it still use the old one |
| 13:04.39 | dan_t | PaxAnima: i get this message if i start it from console: mb_dot_desktop_icon_get_full_path() theme name cur is bluebo |
| 13:04.43 | dan_t | repeated a lot of times |
| 13:04.46 | mallum | dan_t: doh, I dont think you can easily change the icon |
| 13:06.45 | dan_t | mallum: bad. do you accept patches ? |
| 13:09.34 | mallum | dan_t: of course :-) |
| 13:10.31 | mallum | dan_t: you should make it read its icons name from .desktop file and then call mb_dot_desktop_icon_get_full_path() to find the full path to that icon |
| 13:10.39 | mallum | nmae |
| 13:12.30 | mallum | dan_t: remember you need to reset the icon on a theme change aswell |
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| 13:17.28 | dc_ | pb_: right, check it in now |
| 13:18.11 | pb_ | dc_: got it. could you add a ChangeLog entry also? |
| 13:18.22 | dc_ | right :] |
| 13:18.53 | dc_ | pb_: is there some leet way to commit and add a changelog entry in emacs? |
| 13:19.38 | pb_ | dc_: open your edited file in emacs and type ctrl-x 4 a |
| 13:22.37 | dc_ | pb_: right, and how might I change the email address inserted? |
| 13:25.51 | pb_ | dc_: set the "user-mail-address" variable in your .emacs, or with M-x set-variable. |
| 13:26.13 | pb_ | similarly for user-full-name if it is getting that wrong. |
| 13:26.19 | dc_ | ah okay |
| 13:31.32 | dc_ | pb_: got the code now? |
| 13:31.39 | pb_ | dc_: yeah |
| 13:31.51 | pb_ | dc_: I'll make a package in a minute, just need to change the version number and so on. |
| 13:32.00 | dc_ | pb_: wo, wo, wo. |
| 13:32.11 | dc_ | pb_: the code's broken :} |
| 13:32.15 | pb_ | ah |
| 13:32.18 | dc_ | doh :) |
| 13:32.22 | pb_ | okay, ping me when it's ready to go |
| 13:32.32 | dc_ | pb_: well, I kind of need you help. |
| 13:32.39 | pb_ | ah, heh, I see |
| 13:32.41 | dc_ | pb_: it's with this function passing. |
| 13:33.22 | pb_ | okay, what seems to be the problem? |
| 13:33.33 | dc_ | pb_: have a look at line 160 or popup_menu.c |
| 13:33.47 | dc_ | pb_: I'm not sure how I should dereference a gpoint into a function |
| 13:34.22 | dc_ | pb_: basicly I need to use g_object_set_data to store a function. |
| 13:34.22 | dc_ | pb_: well, that's what I'm trying to do. |
| 13:38.05 | PaxAnima | dc_: what do you need it for? |
| 13:38.15 | dc_ | PaxAnima: to use as a callback |
| 13:38.37 | PaxAnima | where's the code? I could take a look |
| 13:39.16 | pb_ | dc_: ok, let me look |
| 13:39.28 | pb_ | just eating my lunch at the moment :-) |
| 13:39.42 | dc_ | pb_: :) |
| 13:40.32 | dc_ | yay, I have a gpe-irc bug |
| 13:41.50 | pb_ | dc_: just put G_CALLBACK (g_object_get_data (G_OBJECT (button), "callback")) |
| 13:43.58 | pb_ | btw, where you are using g_strdup_printf, you may need to be careful not to cause leaks. |
| 13:44.13 | dc_ | how might I cause one? |
| 13:45.26 | pb_ | Allocating memory that is never freed. |
| 13:45.57 | dc_ | ah okay |
| 13:46.17 | dc_ | pb_: hrm okay, still get errors using the menu in gpe-word |
| 13:46.40 | dc_ | pb_: have a look at the libgpewidget popup_menu.c code that I just commited and check that it's correct. |
| 13:48.30 | pb_ | ok |
| 13:52.30 | dc_ | pb_: you see all the wonderfull errors. |
| 13:52.32 | dc_ | (gpe-word:1194): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gsignal.c: line 1855 (g_signal_connect_data): assertion `c_handler != NULL' failed |
| 13:52.45 | pb_ | dc_: hm. |
| 13:53.42 | pb_ | dc_: um, er. it looks like you are setting the "callback" property on one button, and attempting to read it from a completely different button. |
| 13:54.02 | PaxAnima | hmmm.. what's the point of screen lock, when you can launch apps by using the joypad on the ipaq? somehow I got focus on mbdesktop, and can execute apps by navigating about and press the pad to launch apps... |
| 13:54.10 | dc_ | pb_: oh.. |
| 13:54.11 | pb_ | dc_: did you want parent_button in there maybe? |
| 13:54.13 | dc_ | heh, let me see |
| 13:54.26 | pb_ | PaxAnima: that would be what we call a bug. |
| 13:54.41 | PaxAnima | a so-called bug.. I see... ;) |
| 13:54.46 | dc_ | doh! |
| 13:55.38 | dc_ | pb_: so simple :) |
| 13:55.39 | dc_ | heeh |
| 13:59.15 | dc_ | pb_: now...it seem that it's not safe to pass families[i] is it? |
| 13:59.24 | dc_ | pb_: since it's freed later on. |
| 14:00.08 | pb_ | dc_: very likely, yeah. |
| 14:00.24 | dc_ | pb_: how might I fix it? |
| 14:00.28 | dc_ | pb_: free it later on? |
| 14:01.04 | pb_ | let me look |
| 14:02.08 | pb_ | dc_: you can free families itself without any trouble, it would be the strings that it points to that you need to keep around. |
| 14:02.21 | pb_ | and, as far as I can tell, you aren't actually freeing those at all right now. |
| 14:02.36 | pb_ | I'm not sure whether Pango expects you to do that or not. |
| 14:02.37 | dc_ | line 186 |
| 14:03.00 | dc_ | ah I know why |
| 14:03.01 | dc_ | my bad |
| 14:03.28 | dc_ | didn't include the parent widget arg in my callback function |
| 14:03.35 | pb_ | ah. |
| 14:03.46 | pb_ | line 168? that looks like it just frees the array, not the strings. |
| 14:03.52 | pb_ | let me check the pango documentation |
| 14:03.57 | dc_ | right |
| 14:05.21 | pb_ | yeah, looks like your current code should be ok. |
| 14:06.39 | dc_ | great |
| 14:21.55 | dc_ | damn this rain! |
| 14:22.16 | pb_ | yeah, raining here too. :-( |
| 14:26.06 | dc_ | cmarqu_werk: :D |
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| 14:26.19 | dc_ | cmarqu_werk: thanks the for the gpe-irc suggestion btw. |
| 14:26.22 | dc_ | florian: hey! |
| 14:26.24 | florian | hi all! |
| 14:26.40 | dc_ | florian: just finishing up adding this popup menu code to libgpeiwdget ! |
| 14:27.00 | florian | dc_: ahh, great! |
| 14:27.27 | florian | dc_: already in cvs? |
| 14:29.14 | dan_t | i have installed new matchbox and i have lost gtk theme |
| 14:29.25 | dan_t | is right thing ? |
| 14:29.29 | dc_ | florian: just need to fix this arrangement code. |
| 14:30.18 | florian | dc_: ok, no need to hurry :-) |
| 14:30.30 | dc_ | florian: hopefully when it's finished. If you add a widget to the popup menu and it's bigger than the screen size it will automaticly pack it into a scrolled window :] |
| 14:30.47 | dc_ | florian: which is needed when you have alot of fonts installed :) |
| 14:30.53 | mallum | dan_t: yes, hassle dc to make the gpe theme ;-) |
| 14:30.57 | cmarqu_werk | dc_: no prob :) -- BTW, the current design doesn't allow for pre-defining channel, just servers, right? |
| 14:31.33 | florian | dc_: this sounds cool - exact what we need.... |
| 14:31.39 | dc_ | cmarqu_werk: well yes, I havn't added an autojoin option for channels yet |
| 14:31.58 | pb_ | hi florian, thanks for the dillo patch! |
| 14:32.19 | florian | pb_: ahh, did you test it? |
| 14:32.24 | dc_ | florian: oh and for the color selection, what do you think about using a palette, then having a 'Custom...' button at the bottom which popups up the sodi color selector? |
| 14:32.31 | dan_t | pb_: we now have dillo 0.7 with gtk2 on gpe ? |
| 14:32.42 | cmarqu_werk | dc_: Uhm, not really auto-join, but just some pre-defined channels like #gpe and #handhelds.org |
| 14:32.42 | pb_ | dan_t: not yet |
| 14:33.27 | dan_t | pb_: what we need ? |
| 14:33.50 | dc_ | cmarqu_werk: put that in bugzillla then :)) |
| 14:33.54 | pb_ | dan_t: it is still not working. |
| 14:34.16 | dan_t | mallum: you haven't tell me that wen you have suggested meto switch to new matchbox :-) |
| 14:34.33 | florian | dc_: this would be a good idea, but jou need to store the customized palette at least for each user. |
| 14:34.38 | cmarqu_werk | dc_: Okay |
| 14:34.47 | dan_t | pb_: anything where i can help knowing less of gtk2 and more less of dillo ? |
| 14:35.09 | pb_ | dan_t: it's just a case of debugging the code. I can send it to you if you like. |
| 14:35.20 | mallum | dan_t: just make a link from /usr/share/themes/blondie/gtk-2.0/gtkrc to your wanted gtkrc theme |
| 14:35.25 | dc_ | florian: I wasn't thinking of saving the colors the user uses, but rather a static default palette |
| 14:35.28 | mallum | dan_t: are you doing that patch btw ? |
| 14:37.30 | florian | dc_: ok - what would you do if you call the color dialog again with a custom color selected? at least it is necessary to show the current color in a dedicated field |
| 14:37.37 | dan_t | mallum: no, i don't |
| 14:39.32 | dc_ | florian: I was thinking having a small area next to the popup menu button showing the current color |
| 14:39.59 | dc_ | pb_: do you know if requisitions start at the bottom left or top left of the screen? |
| 14:40.02 | dan_t | mallum: where is the gtk themes ? |
| 14:40.06 | dc_ | pb_: like, where might 0,0 be |
| 14:40.39 | dan_t | s/is/are/ |
| 14:41.02 | mallum | dan_t: not sure |
| 14:41.13 | dc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.39 | dan_t | dc_: there is only matchbox themes |
| 14:42.17 | mallum | dan_t: do you have a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ? |
| 14:42.26 | florian | dc_: ok, this sounds good... |
| 14:43.27 | pb_ | dc_: I think 0,0 is top left |
| 14:52.13 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 14:54.27 | dc_ | ahh |
| 14:54.33 | dc_ | hrm, |
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| 15:01.15 | jsmanrique | hello |
| 15:01.21 | dc_ | hey |
| 15:01.38 | jsmanrique | cmarqu : have you received the spanish translation for the flyer? |
| 15:04.12 | jsmanrique | have somebody tryed mono? |
| 15:04.24 | jsmanrique | tried I mean |
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| 15:09.35 | dc_ | arg |
| 15:09.40 | dc_ | this isn't good. |
| 15:09.51 | pb_ | wassup? |
| 15:10.03 | dc_ | you cannot get the requisition of a wiget untill it's packed into the window |
| 15:10.23 | pb_ | hrm |
| 15:10.38 | pb_ | you certainly can't get the allocation until then, but I would have expected the requisition to be available. |
| 15:10.50 | dc_ | it just gives me 0 |
| 15:11.29 | dc_ | ahh |
| 15:11.31 | dc_ | wait. |
| 15:11.38 | dc_ | neede to show it first |
| 15:13.20 | jsmanrique | prpplague : how about the development boards you mentioned sometime ago? |
| 15:13.34 | pb_ | dc_: ah. |
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| 15:23.06 | cmarqu | jsmanrique: Yes, got it. Will integrate it tonight. |
| 15:25.54 | prpplague | jsmanrique: about ready for production |
| 15:25.59 | prpplague | jsmanrique: final stages now |
| 15:34.28 | dc__ | yay |
| 15:34.38 | dc__ | okay...last thing now, need to add the stock color popup :) |
| 15:42.26 | jsmanrique | prpplague : I have an email from LART people, about new units coming |
| 15:44.00 | prpplague | jsmanrique: ya jdb was still working on them last time i checked |
| 15:44.22 | jsmanrique | prpplague : will yours integrate lcd? |
| 15:45.22 | prpplague | jsmanrique: no mine is a core module, you can do whatever you want |
| 15:45.41 | prpplague | jsmanrique: basically its just a cpu,ram,flash, with all the cpu pins available on a header |
| 15:46.47 | jsmanrique | prpplague : so, very similar to lart, ins't it? |
| 15:47.43 | prpplague | jsmanrique: ya as a matter of fact erikm had alot of input in the design |
| 15:53.10 | mallum | pb_: new experimental x pkgs uploaded |
| 15:59.54 | paul | mallum: xipaq packages? is that with Xres extension enabled? |
| 16:02.51 | mallum | paul: no, tinyX wont build with Xres |
| 16:04.34 | pb_ | what's the failure? |
| 16:08.52 | paul | drat |
| 16:09.22 | paul | pb_: saw your mail about pcmcia on 39xx - what happens if that var is set to sa1100 rather than pxa? |
| 16:11.31 | pb_ | paul: you will get "no socket controller detected" or some such message, and pcmcia will not work. |
| 16:11.38 | paul | ah. k. |
| 16:11.47 | paul | pb_: ie module autoloading wont work. |
| 16:12.10 | paul | (iirc i've just listed the modules i want in /etc/modules) |
| 16:13.06 | pb_ | paul: right. |
| 16:17.17 | mallum | /usr/local/arm//2.95.3/bin/`echo gcc|sed "s%.*/%"` -o Xfbdev -O3 -fsigned-char -L../../exports/lib dix/libdix.a os/libos.a ../../exports/lib/libXau.a ../../exports/lib/libXdmcp.a hw/kdrive/fbdev/libfbdev.a miext/layer/liblayer.a hw/kdrive/libkdrive.a hw/kdrive/linux/liblinux.a -lts miext/shadow/libshadow.a randr/librandr.a render/librender.a fb/libfb.a dix/libxpstubs.a mi/libmi.a Xext/libext.a |
| 16:17.17 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.17 | mallum | Xext/libext.a(xres.o): In function `ProcXResQueryClientResources': |
| 16:17.18 | mallum | xres.o(.text+0x4a8): undefined reference to `RegisterResourceName' |
| 16:17.20 | mallum | xres.o(.text+0x548): undefined reference to `ResourceNames' |
| 16:17.22 | mallum | Xext/libext.a(xres.o): In function `ResExtensionInit': |
| 16:17.24 | mallum | xres.o(.text+0x828): undefined reference to `RegisterResourceName' |
| 16:17.26 | mallum | xres.o(.text+0x834): undefined reference to `RegisterResourceName' |
| 16:17.28 | mallum | xres.o(.text+0x840): undefined reference to `RegisterResourceName' |
| 16:17.30 | mallum | xres.o(.text+0x84c): undefined reference to `RegisterResourceName' |
| 16:17.32 | mallum | xres.o(.text+0x858): undefined reference to `RegisterResourceName' |
| 16:17.34 | mallum | Xext/libext.a(xres.o)(.text+0x864): more undefined references to `RegisterResourceName' follow |
| 16:17.38 | mallum | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 16:17.57 | mallum | oops sorry for that, didn;t realise there was so much |
| 16:18.12 | pb_ | crumbs, you build with -O3? that's a bit hardcore. |
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| 16:18.39 | mallum | pb_: Im not telling it to use -O3 |
| 16:18.41 | mallum | :/ |
| 16:20.08 | pb_ | well, RegisterResourceName would appear to be defined in dix/resource.c #ifdef XResExtension. |
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| 16:20.40 | mccarthy | cmarqu: here? |
| 16:21.06 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Yes. |
| 16:21.43 | mccarthy | cmarqu: any suggetions on the cheapest way to get to bremen from the US? |
| 16:21.57 | mccarthy | (in early July) |
| 16:22.30 | mallum | pb_: maybe jg lies and XResExtension needs defining too |
| 16:22.36 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Phew... not really. It seems though that flights are cheaper when booked in the US |
| 16:23.23 | mccarthy | cmarqu: is there any nearby airports that might be more "international" than the one in Bremen? (for example, I am thinking of flying to amsterdam and driving from there or something) |
| 16:23.32 | mallum | pb_: added that and am setting it building |
| 16:24.07 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Only Frankfurt I fear, but it's not nearby... |
| 16:24.20 | cmarqu | Hamburg maybe. |
| 16:24.57 | mccarthy | cmarqu: OK. I thought of those, I just saw your email address and realized you might come up with something better....(how bad would it be to get from amsterdam?) |
| 16:25.05 | cmarqu | mccarthy: I can ask I guy I know from Bremen, but he is not in IRC right now |
| 16:25.38 | mccarthy | any chance of grabbing a beer? (how far are you from bremen?) |
| 16:25.44 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Amsterdam would be okay I guess. But I'm from the opposite end of Germany. |
| 16:25.50 | dc__ | doh :} |
| 16:26.29 | cmarqu | Too sad, a beer would have been nice. Let's have another GPE summit there? :) |
| 16:27.10 | mallum | pb_: nice teleport icon :-) |
| 16:27.16 | pb_ | mallum: heh. |
| 16:27.28 | mallum | pb_: is it only acceable via it being a dock app though ? |
| 16:27.40 | mccarthy | how far away is the "other side of germany"? I will have made a 7 hour drive from Pittsburgh to Delaware just a few days before my flight? (then I will fly out of DC which is another 2 hour drive) |
| 16:27.47 | mallum | pb_: is it an actual dockapp, or a monolaunched thing ? |
| 16:27.51 | dc__ | pb_: found a nice icon then :}? |
| 16:27.52 | pb_ | mallum: it's just a monolaunch. You could run it standalone, though I didn't bother to provide a .desktop for that. |
| 16:28.21 | mallum | pb_: I would make a .desktop for it and use monolaunch --desktop teleport |
| 16:28.30 | mallum | telelport.desktop that it |
| 16:28.33 | pb_ | ah, that's an idea. |
| 16:28.39 | cmarqu | mccarthy: 10 hour drive if things go really well. Europe is a lot more crowded than the US |
| 16:28.48 | mallum | pb_: it'll then use startup notification to launch it too |
| 16:28.50 | mccarthy | cmarqu: ok |
| 16:28.53 | mccarthy | thats far |
| 16:28.53 | pb_ | right, neat. |
| 16:29.00 | cmarqu | mccarthy: And the gas prices are considerably higher |
| 16:29.18 | mccarthy | oh yeah, forgot about that...frightfully high last I checked |
| 16:29.20 | pb_ | mccarthy: you should fly into London, have a beer here, then get a cheap European flight to Bremen. |
| 16:29.47 | cmarqu | That might really be an option. |
| 16:29.52 | mallum | pb_: also it seems to crash the claender on startup, but not the todo list |
| 16:30.10 | pb_ | mallum: Yeah, I'd noticed that (except the other way around). I think something is flaky in libdm. |
| 16:30.14 | mccarthy | pb_: looks like I am in the $700-900 (US of course) going to amsterdam....I will check London |
| 16:30.33 | mallum | pb_: its much nicer with the window list btw ;-) |
| 16:30.36 | mccarthy | (going straight to bremen is $900 too) |
| 16:31.10 | mccarthy | too bad I dont feel like driving to NYC that would probably be cheaper too... |
| 16:32.11 | mccarthy | surprising London is almost 700 bucks too.... |
| 16:32.20 | mallum | pb_: doh, the extra define didn't fix it :( |
| 16:32.58 | mccarthy | nils is german too right? |
| 16:33.32 | mccarthy | looks like hes closer to bremen (on the gpe map anyway) |
| 16:33.36 | pb_ | mccarthy: yeah |
| 16:34.22 | dc__ | mccarthy: don't forget florian aswell ;] |
| 16:34.54 | mccarthy | dc__: florian isnt on the map :( |
| 16:35.10 | dc__ | mccarthy: but I warn you, never get into a car with either of them unless you have a map. |
| 16:35.13 | cmarqu | mccarthy: He is working with nils, so in the same place. |
| 16:35.16 | dc__ | mccarthy: ;] |
| 16:35.20 | cmarqu | dc__: ROTFL |
| 16:35.54 | dc__ | well, it was actualy terribly boring :\ |
| 16:35.57 | dc__ | heh |
| 16:36.16 | dc__ | mccarthy: but defently make sure you buy a map of germany :) |
| 16:36.17 | pb_ | mccarthy: to be honest $700 is probably as good as it gets for transatlantic flights that time of year. |
| 16:36.27 | cmarqu | Indeed. |
| 16:36.31 | mccarthy | pb_: yeah, looks like it |
| 16:36.47 | mccarthy | how expensive is it to take trains around? |
| 16:36.58 | cmarqu | paul: What are your coordinates (for the GPE map)? |
| 16:37.16 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Not exactly cheap. |
| 16:37.38 | mccarthy | cmarqu: oh. so getting from amsterdam might be a few hundred bucks anyway? |
| 16:38.17 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Hmm, not *that* much I'd say. |
| 16:38.23 | cmarqu | mccarthy: http://www.bahn.de/pv/uebersicht/die_bahn_international_guests.shtml |
| 16:39.21 | mccarthy | I didnt realize that the euro was about the same as $US .... (just looked it up) |
| 16:39.28 | moray | mccarthy: but you should certainly go via London ;) |
| 16:39.55 | dc__ | mccarthy: :) |
| 16:40.12 | cmarqu | moray: BTW, your Edinburgh location on the GPE map is not really correct anymore, is it? |
| 16:40.15 | moray | pb_: do you have a 16-port hub/switch we could use at the meeting btw? I have an 8 port one available but that's not really quite enough |
| 16:40.27 | moray | cmarqu: not just now, no - though I may be back there from October |
| 16:40.33 | pb_ | moray: I'll have to check. |
| 16:40.54 | moray | pb_: or presumably another 8-port that we could plug together, of course... |
| 16:41.08 | mccarthy | cmarqu: is there some weird german in that URL telling my departure date? or is that site psychic? (or did it steal a travelocity cookie?) |
| 16:41.36 | moray | pb_: although I suppose we can still try to set up our own wireless separate from the wireless we're getting bandwidth off... |
| 16:41.37 | cmarqu | moray: I'll leave it there then, commented out, and add you to Cambridge. |
| 16:41.46 | cmarqu | mccarthy: Proabaly the latter :) |
| 16:41.46 | moray | cmarqu: ok, thanks |
| 16:42.04 | mccarthy | doh |
| 16:42.07 | mccarthy | stupid american |
| 16:42.24 | mccarthy | 7.03.2003 is TODAY, not July 3rd ;) |
| 16:42.30 | pb_ | mccarthy: doh :-) |
| 16:42.32 | cmarqu | Hehe. |
| 16:42.40 | dc__ | wireless moray :)) |
| 16:42.56 | pb_ | moray: yeah, looks like we have a couple of spare-ish switches here. Should be able to get at least a 16-port, and maybe 24. |
| 16:43.06 | moray | pb_: sounds good |
| 16:43.20 | cmarqu | Everybody should be using the ISO date syntax. |
| 16:44.20 | Jacmet | pb_: how many have signed up for the GPE meeting? |
| 16:45.00 | pb_ | Jacmet: around ten. |
| 16:45.13 | pb_ | a few more on the Sunday than the Saturday. |
| 16:45.36 | Jacmet | pb_: ok, I'm planning on going as well, if everything works out .. |
| 16:45.37 | pb_ | cmarqu: quite so. |
| 16:45.51 | pb_ | Jacmet: ah, cool. |
| 16:49.14 | paul | camrqu/flo: do i book?? :) |
| 16:49.39 | cmarqu | paul: florian is not here... :/ |
| 16:50.02 | paul | this is like trying to herd cats :) |
| 16:50.07 | cmarqu | paul: What are your coordinates (for the GPE map)? |
| 16:50.07 | pb_ | mallum: is dix/resource.o getting built, and if so does it contain that symbol? (check with nm) |
| 16:50.20 | cmarqu | paul: Or, what town? |
| 16:50.22 | paul | gpe map? |
| 16:50.42 | cmarqu | paul: I assume you want to be on http://gpe.handhelds.org/contact.shtml |
| 16:50.46 | mccarthy | who would want to herd cats? |
| 16:50.51 | paul | i live in leixlip, Co. Kildare. approx 20km due west of dublin. |
| 16:51.12 | mccarthy | I'd rather go to Ireland than Bremen... |
| 16:51.19 | paul | mccarthy: you've never tried? its great fun - esp at parties. |
| 16:51.40 | paul | isnt there a GNOME conference going to be held in dublin? (or maybe it already was) |
| 16:51.52 | pb_ | paul: yeah, GUADEC in June. |
| 16:51.54 | pb_ | paul: www.guadec.org |
| 16:52.03 | mccarthy | paul: nope. most of my family has gone (and hung out with distant relatives) but they always ditch me (I lived in Chicago at the time and they were all in Pittsburgh) |
| 16:52.16 | paul | pb_: thats the one, yes. |
| 16:52.33 | mccarthy | wow. expedia sucks (compared to travelocity) |
| 16:52.42 | paul | mccarthy: awww.. |
| 16:54.59 | dc__ | oh dear, there's a scary picture of owen on the guadec page |
| 16:55.00 | paul | cmarqu: dublin airport is 53-26N 006-15W - i live about 20k from it. |
| 16:55.10 | paul | cmarqu: i'll try dig up a gps and get precise coords :) |
| 16:55.12 | pb_ | dc__: ah yes |
| 16:55.24 | cmarqu | paul: Got it already. http://www.getty.edu/vow/TGNFullDisplay?find=Leixlip&place=&nation=&prev_page=1&english=Y&subjectid=7007097 |
| 16:55.24 | dc__ | and omg, that man under him. |
| 16:55.27 | dc__ | even more scary |
| 16:55.35 | paul | wow :) |
| 16:55.42 | cmarqu | BBIAB, phone |
| 16:58.07 | pb_ | Well, it seems Nils will speak at GUADEC, so we can look forward to a photo of him also. |
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| 17:21.50 | dc___ | pb_: cool :) |
| 17:22.17 | pb_ | We should maybe try to arrange a handhelds BOF session as well. |
| 17:24.09 | paul | how many are going to the gpe weekend? |
| 17:24.42 | pb_ | paul: latest guess is 9 on Saturday, 12 on Sunday |
| 17:24.53 | paul | should be fun :) |
| 17:25.24 | paul | (if i have somewhere to stay and dont end up sleeping on the streets. *cough* cmarq *cough* flo :) ) |
| 17:25.26 | pb_ | yup, indeed. |
| 17:25.28 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:55.45 | pb_ | dc___: what's the status with your popup code at the moment? |
| 17:56.06 | dc___ | pb_: oh well it's finished. |
| 17:56.08 | dc___ | pb_: but |
| 17:56.25 | dc___ | pb_: I just want to add the sodipodi color selector to the palette popu |
| 17:56.26 | dc___ | p |
| 17:56.30 | pb_ | okay |
| 17:56.41 | pb_ | let me know when you think I should make a new package. |
| 17:56.57 | dc___ | right |
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| 18:11.01 | mallum | pb_: yes,but I dont think it has the symbol |
| 18:12.27 | pb_ | mallum: definitely had XResExtension defined when it was compiled? |
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| 19:00.29 | mallum | pb_: XResExtension was defined, I cant pay it 100 % attention at the moment ... does it build for you ? |
| 19:01.30 | pb_ | mallum: I haven't tried. The code in that resource.c file is pretty straightforward though. |
| 19:03.08 | mallum | pb_: okey, well if you get it to work, mail me the details to do so and I'll add it in |
| 19:03.12 | pb_ | ok |
| 19:06.37 | paul | where is the tinyx source kept? there doesnt seem to be a handhelds.org cvs module for it afaics (quick look only) |
| 19:06.48 | pb_ | xfree86 cvs I think |
| 19:07.02 | paul | ah |
| 19:07.54 | mallum | paul: its in the 4.3 release tarballs, I can see you my host.def if your want |
| 19:08.15 | paul | yes -> paul@dishone.st |
| 19:08.32 | paul | although, i've a busy weekend.. but i wouldnt mind having a go. |
| 19:08.50 | paul | (might have a stab on wednesday) |
| 19:09.05 | mallum | paul: I can just paste it here, if thats ok - its pretty smaiil |
| 19:09.10 | paul | ah :) |
| 19:09.12 | paul | go on |
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| 19:10.19 | mallum | #define KDriveXServer YES |
| 19:10.20 | mallum | #define KdriveServerExtraDefines -DITSY -DMAXSCREENS=2 |
| 19:10.20 | mallum | #define TinyXServer YES |
| 19:10.20 | mallum | #define CrossCompiling YES |
| 19:10.20 | mallum | #define TouchScreen YES |
| 19:10.20 | mallum | #define ItsyCompilerBug YES |
| 19:10.22 | mallum | #undef BuildRandR |
| 19:10.24 | mallum | #define BuildRandR YES |
| 19:10.26 | mallum | #define BuildXInputLib YES |
| 19:10.28 | mallum | #define ProjectRoot /usr/X11R6 |
| 19:10.30 | mallum | #define Freetype2Dir $(TOP)/extras/freetype2 |
| 19:10.32 | mallum | #define Freetype2LibDir $(TOP)/exports/lib |
| 19:10.34 | mallum | #define BuildXTrueType YES |
| 19:10.36 | mallum | #define BuildScreenSaverExt YES |
| 19:10.38 | mallum | #define BuildScreenSaverLibrary YES |
| 19:10.40 | mallum | #define SharedLibXss YES |
| 19:10.42 | mallum | #define ServerXdmcpDefines |
| 19:10.44 | mallum | #define XfbdevServer YES |
| 19:10.46 | mallum | #define HasTsLib YES |
| 19:10.50 | mallum | #define BuildXResExt YES |
| 19:10.52 | mallum | #define XResExtension YES |
| 19:10.54 | mallum | #define BuildXcursorgen NO |
| 19:10.56 | mallum | paul: you can ditch the crosscompiling define if you want |
| 19:11.03 | paul | yeah |
| 19:11.11 | paul | probably will have to build it on the ipaq cluster. |
| 19:11.25 | mallum | paul: it will take days there ;-) |
| 19:11.34 | paul | :) |
| 19:11.43 | paul | i've built a few kernels on there. |
| 19:12.05 | paul | just make sure to do it from a screen session :) |
| 19:12.19 | mallum | paul: just compile it for x86, I wouldn't have thought this XRes probelm is host related |
| 19:12.26 | paul | (though screen on the ipaq cluster itself seems to have been disabled) |
| 19:13.03 | mallum | paul: if you can get it to build, just send me the patch/ instructions and I'll add it to the ipkg build |
| 19:13.04 | paul | mallum: true, but if i actually build a binary, i'd like to try it out on my ipaq. see if i can find out anything interesting about the X server when its data usage is 15MB+ |
| 19:13.32 | paul | mallum: willdo, but i dont think i'll get to look at it before mid-next week. |
| 19:13.49 | mallum | paul: okey |
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| 19:30.41 | florian | hi all! |
| 19:30.48 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 19:30.51 | PaxAnima | hi florian |
| 19:31.31 | florian | brb |
| 19:38.35 | pb_ | mallum: put -DXResExtension in KdriveServerExtraDefines; looks like that will fix it. |
| 19:38.41 | mallum | is ipkg more broken than usual at the moment ? |
| 19:38.55 | mallum | pb_: okey will try |
| 19:39.04 | pb_ | in what way? ipkg seems to be in a period of unprecedented reliability for me, actually. |
| 19:39.16 | cmarqu | florian: paul is getting nervous about booking, so let's just do it :) |
| 19:39.52 | paul | cmarqu: the other 2 are ok with it? (petra and nils iirc??) |
| 19:40.17 | cmarqu | paul: florian will have to tell |
| 19:42.15 | mallum | pb_: Package matchbox wants to install /usr/bin/whatever, but this file is provided by package <no package> ... |
| 19:42.23 | paul | cmarqu: ok so :) |
| 19:42.34 | pb_ | mallum: that's normally a symptom of status file corruption. |
| 19:42.50 | mallum | pb_: ipkg remove matchbox - Package matchbox is not installed |
| 19:43.01 | mallum | pb_: any way to fix it ? |
| 19:43.09 | pb_ | mallum: just remove those files by hand, or use -force-overwrite. |
| 19:43.58 | pb_ | mallum: the (admittedly not ultra-clear) error message is saying that there are files in the matchbox package which already exist on your machine, but are not owned by any package that ipkg knows about. |
| 19:44.12 | mallum | pb_: wher did you figure out that extradefines thing from btw ? |
| 19:44.52 | pb_ | mallum: xfree86.cf adds that to XFree86ServerDefines, but it looks like kdrive eschews that variable in favour of its own wacky stuff. |
| 19:45.29 | pb_ | someone more hardcore than me will have to figure out a "proper" fix for it. |
| 19:49.02 | mallum | pb_: well it appears to have built :-) |
| 19:49.17 | pb_ | mallum: cool |
| 19:49.32 | mallum | pb_: did you try them rev 1 packages I uploaded earlier ? |
| 19:49.46 | pb_ | mallum: not yet, no. |
| 19:50.00 | pb_ | I might try them on my 3900 when I get it working again. |
| 19:50.01 | mallum | pb_: cool, I'll switch the xserver one with this xres enabled one |
| 19:50.06 | pb_ | ok, cool. |
| 19:50.43 | pb_ | btw, is there any mechanism in place yet to get the keymap set right? |
| 19:50.47 | prpplague | tiny-x fun? |
| 19:51.07 | pb_ | I noticed that the power button didn't seem to be operating on my h3600 earlier (with the previous set of packages), but that could have been unrelated lossage. |
| 19:51.11 | pb_ | prpplague: indeed |
| 19:51.59 | paul | mallum: you have xres built? ooh.. want to post the Xserver up somewhere? |
| 19:52.26 | mallum | pb_: wierd I see the package is approx 50k smaller |
| 19:52.35 | pb_ | bizarre. |
| 19:52.46 | mallum | paul: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xpkgs/ |
| 19:52.56 | mallum | paul: use will _extreme_ caution |
| 19:53.03 | paul | hehe |
| 19:53.16 | paul | i'll run it from /var/tmp and just modify the Xservers config file :) |
| 19:53.18 | prpplague | mallum: did you look over my original oz tiny-x build? |
| 19:53.26 | mallum | prpplague: yeah a bit :-) |
| 19:53.45 | pb_ | paul: it should be easy enough to put back the old packages from unstable if things go to worms. |
| 19:53.57 | mallum | paul: you'll need to install libts too |
| 19:54.01 | prpplague | mallum: be honest, what was you impression? that was my first time trying to get tiny-x building |
| 19:54.05 | paul | mallum: libts? |
| 19:54.10 | prpplague | mallum: it look like a kludge? |
| 19:54.19 | mallum | prpplague: no more of a kludge than mine is :-) |
| 19:54.45 | prpplague | mallum: well that makes me feel better :) |
| 19:55.18 | mallum | prpplague: I dont think its possible to x-compile X and package it with out at least some clugding |
| 19:56.07 | prpplague | mallum: i must admit that the >4.2 x-compile stuff seemed alot better than the 4.1 |
| 19:57.39 | mallum | prpplague: yeah definetly |
| 19:58.17 | prpplague | mallum: problem i had was the ts stuff was still broke in 4.2 so i went back to 4.1 |
| 19:58.43 | mallum | paul: libts is a tocuhscreen library |
| 19:59.01 | paul | its not installed already? new in latest tinyx? |
| 19:59.38 | florian | re |
| 20:01.36 | florian | cmarqu: paul: petra mailed to two or three other for an offer. i think we should book monday... |
| 20:04.51 | cmarqu | Okay. |
| 20:05.44 | paul | florian: ah |
| 20:05.49 | cmarqu | paul: If I couldn't get the uid of "nobody" or setuid() to it, should I exit the program, or print a warning and continue? |
| 20:06.21 | paul | i'd say exit - would mean definite system problems. |
| 20:06.29 | cmarqu | Indeed. |
| 20:06.30 | paul | perror and exit. |
| 20:23.09 | cmarqu | Okay, it's in CVS now. |
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| 21:17.08 | dc__ | hello mr __moray |
| 21:18.04 | __moray | hi there |
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| 22:19.42 | mallum | pb_: have you experienced this problem cworth spoke of, with a possbile race condition and new apps not being positioned furthest left ? |
| 22:23.48 | pb_ | mallum: yes. |
| 22:24.00 | pb_ | mallum: well, er, no, not in those terms. |
| 22:24.29 | pb_ | as I understood it, the race cworth was talking about was specifically when logging in for the first time, when the ordering of applications was indeterminate. I've certainly experienced that. |
| 22:26.12 | mallum | pb_: yeah I know the ordering can be random, but this big initial space ? |
| 22:26.24 | pb_ | never heard of that. |
| 22:27.06 | mallum | pb_: no, the easiest way to fix ordering is just fix the dock apps to take a -geometry swicth - minitime alreaady does this |
| 22:27.11 | pb_ | What did Carl actually say about it? I might ntot have been paying attention at the time. |
| 22:27.32 | mallum | I was confused I only caught half the conversion |
| 22:28.01 | mallum | maybe it makes sense to just enable the menu and the clock ( with geometry switch furthest right ) initialy |
| 22:28.33 | pb_ | I would prefer to at least have the option to enable more dockapps by default. |
| 22:29.12 | mallum | pb_: wanna patch -geoemtry switches into the dock apps then ? wouldn't take long ... |
| 22:30.01 | pb_ | Yeah, I guess. |
| 22:30.27 | pb_ | Or I suppose we could start mbdock earlier, to avoid the race. |
| 22:31.21 | mallum | pb_: maybe we could make mbdock launch the dialog app program if it detects it empty ? |
| 22:32.12 | pb_ | I guess that's another possibility, but it seems a bit ugly. |
| 22:33.08 | mallum | yeah the geometry thing is most cleanest |
| 22:34.04 | pb_ | What happens if two apps ask for geometry that would make them overlap, will mbdock straighten that out? |
| 22:34.32 | mallum | yeah should do |
| 22:35.23 | pb_ | Okay. |
| 22:35.33 | mallum | the geomerty is only treated as a start checking for free space from this offset onwards |
| 22:37.28 | pb_ | right. |
| 22:37.38 | mallum | pb_: Im also thinking, maybe ditch the popup menu on mbdock and the moving and a 3rd party app manage it |
| 22:38.22 | pb_ | Having a popup menu on mbdock seems desirable to me, though I'm not sure the options on there at present are exactly the ones I would choose. |
| 22:38.46 | mallum | pb_: what would you chose ? |
| 22:39.32 | mallum | pb_: also theres the problem people dont seem to realise the menu actually exists |
| 22:39.56 | pb_ | I'd kind of like to see individual applications provide the option to remove themselves, so the dock would just provide "add new program to dock" and "remove whole dock". I'm not sure about the move option, that's a bit more tricky. |
| 22:41.03 | mallum | pb_: yeah . I thinking if any move option is actually practical at all on such a device |
| 22:41.18 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# ipkg upgrade |
| 22:41.18 | cmarqu | Package gpe-ownerinfo has been replaced by: gpe-ownerinfo2 |
| 22:41.24 | cmarqu | :/ |
| 22:41.43 | pb_ | cmarqu: Yeah, I saw that. Is the current gpe-ownerinfo replacing/conflicting/providing gpe-ownerinfo2? |
| 22:41.54 | pb_ | cmarqu: Maybe I should just nuke gpe-ownerinfo2 from the archive. |
| 22:42.07 | pb_ | mallum: Yeah. I'm not sure either. |
| 22:42.25 | cmarqu | pb_: Replaces: gpe-ownerinfo2 |
| 22:42.37 | cmarqu | Should it also provide it? |
| 22:43.01 | cmarqu | But nuking would be easiest I guess. |
| 22:43.09 | pb_ | cmarqu: It probably should conflict with it at least. |
| 22:43.35 | pb_ | cmarqu: Okay, it's history. |
| 22:43.50 | cmarqu | Cool, thanks. |
| 22:44.16 | pb_ | mallum: The business about people not realising the menu is there doesn't bother me quite so much. It's obviously unfortunate, but the same risk goes for context menus everywhere. |
| 22:45.25 | pb_ | If we could think of some way to give people a small cue to help them figure out how to add things, that might be nice, but if not I don't think it's disaster. |
| 22:47.16 | pb_ | cmarqu: Ah, did you get the dist-prep/update-po mechanics working? |
| 22:47.50 | cmarqu | pb_: Yes, was easy (unless I broke somehtin) |
| 22:47.54 | pb_ | Cool. |
| 22:47.57 | mallum | pb_: yeah the way opie manages it dock is a lot less flexible, but probably much easier to use in the end |
| 22:48.46 | mallum | pb_: maybe the dock should just parent the apps but provide hooks for other more featureful toolkits to do the actual app management |
| 22:48.57 | pb_ | That might make sense. |
| 22:49.11 | mallum | yeah, it would mean less stress for me too :-) |
| 22:50.46 | mallum | make it behave more like the opie one, which is less flexible but at the end of the day a lot easier to use |
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| 22:57.42 | florian | the wireless lan scanner these opie guys have looks nice :-/ |
| 22:58.13 | pb_ | Damn those opie guys! |
| 22:58.22 | florian | :-)) |
| 22:59.09 | florian | Looks like my special friend Max has something to do with this... |
| 22:59.27 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 23:00.35 | florian | Hehe... It will be a pleasure for me to have the better one... |
| 23:00.45 | pb_ | :-) |
| 23:00.49 | pb_ | I look forward to that also. |
| 23:00.52 | mallum | movie time |
| 23:01.02 | mallum | g'night all + have a good weekend |
| 23:02.48 | florian | pb_: prismstumbler with gtk2 basically runs... |
| 23:03.03 | pb_ | florian: Ah, great. |
| 23:04.04 | florian | and captured it's first frame using an orinoco card/driver a few minutes ago |
| 23:04.12 | pb_ | :-) |
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| 23:10.50 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 23:11.24 | jg | pb_: hi. |
| 23:11.26 | florian | jg: hello |
| 23:11.33 | jg | florian: hi. |
| 23:12.52 | jg | pb_: so how goes the battle? |
| 23:14.04 | pb_ | jg: well, just been discussing a variety of thorny dock-related issues with mallum and cworth. |
| 23:14.51 | pb_ | as you may have noticed, we have a bit of a problem at the moment where the "standard" applets that you get in a fresh install are dumped in the dock in no discernable order, and Carl in particular is worried that the menu should be made to stand out somehow. But it's not very clear how to achieve that. |
| 23:15.04 | jg | pb_: did cworth mention he needs the name and class of the widgets as properties on widget windows? |
| 23:15.09 | jg | Yes, I noticed. |
| 23:15.17 | jg | obnoixious. |
| 23:15.35 | jg | pb_: could decorate the dock window with some sort of priority... |
| 23:15.40 | pb_ | jg: Yeah, we talked about that some too. He wants to be able to detect draggable widgets so he can turn recognition off on those. |
| 23:15.47 | jg | yup. |
| 23:15.54 | jg | useful for all sorts of things.... |
| 23:16.35 | pb_ | Yeah. |
| 23:17.02 | pb_ | Oh, and mallum has some new X packages to test, which apparently have the XRes extension enabled this time round. |
| 23:17.39 | pb_ | I should send mail to Keith about that dillo thing too, come to think of it. |
| 23:19.00 | jg | I'll upgrade on Monday.... |
| 23:19.14 | jg | dillo is a few character fix. |
| 23:19.35 | pb_ | well, the trouble is that I can't figure out how to apply the fix to the gtk2 dillo. As far as I can tell, all the pixmap code that was causing the problem has been removed. |
| 23:19.46 | pb_ | and yet, people report that it still leaks. |
| 23:19.50 | jg | its incrementing a refcount where it should be decreimented.... |
| 23:19.54 | jg | oh. |
| 23:22.02 | pb_ | The old gtk1 dillo was creating this pixmap to draw into, and then setting it as the background pixmap on a window in order to do the actual display. In the gtk2 version, that whole mess seems to have gone away in favour of drawing directly onto the window. |
| 23:25.27 | pb_ | cmarqu: Might be worth investigating ALSA mixers now. |
| 23:26.01 | pb_ | I dunno whether the alsa mixer API is actually any better, but it would remove the need for the OSS compatibility module. |
| 23:26.18 | cmarqu | aumix seems to support ALSA too. |
| 23:26.26 | pb_ | Ah, right. I didn't realise that. |
| 23:26.48 | cmarqu | But if there is easier code somewhere else... |
| 23:27.33 | pb_ | cmarqu: I don't know. There seem to be lots of mixers in Debian, some of them surely must have understandable code. |
| 23:28.05 | pb_ | gamix - Graphical mixer for ALSA using gtk+ |
| 23:28.07 | cmarqu | Yeah. |
| 23:28.21 | cmarqu | Yup, found that one too :) |
| 23:28.26 | pb_ | or gnome-alsamixer - ALSA sound mixer for GNOME |
| 23:28.36 | pb_ | heh :-) |
| 23:39.15 | cmarqu | Hmm, I should then use ALSA on my desktop to be able to test... |
| 23:39.57 | pb_ | I guess so. |
| 23:40.38 | pb_ | There is a small stumbling-block in that H3900 doesn't currently have any ALSA drivers, so people with those machines must use OSS. But I hope that will change soon. |
| 23:41.22 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 23:41.47 | pb_ | (Same goes for H5400, but I guess that only affects Jamey.) |
| 23:52.35 | moray | pb_: for the dock, we could potentially have a RISC OS style side of the dock / priorities system, somehow? |
| 23:52.59 | moray | pb_: e.g. main menu should (by default) always end up far left, clock should (by default) always end up far right |
| 23:53.47 | pb_ | moray: Yeah, indeed. There is already a geometry hint that applets can specify, saying where on the dock they would like to end up, but there is no priority. Since the default is to request geometry 0, or far left, this doesn't currently help us much. |
| 23:55.09 | moray | right |
| 23:55.47 | pb_ | Mallum's suggested solution is only to start two applets by default (clock and menu), and put them at opposite sides, thus avoiding any problem. But that doesn't seem entirely satisfactory. |
| 23:57.32 | pb_ | I'm currently leaning towards attempting to fudge the issue by starting mbdock up earlier in the boot sequence, and running the menu before all the other applets so it gets to claim the sought-after left hand spot. Or, equivalently, deferring the addition of applets until later so that matchbox and the dock are already running. |
