| 00:11.15 | florian | ok... works - with pango. but without these stock buttons :-/ i found the contaniner for the buttons child - but have no idea how to find the label in these buttons with icons |
| 00:12.42 | pb_ | florian: I think a stock button contains an hbox, with the image and the label inside it. |
| 00:13.19 | pb_ | ah, no, the button contains a GtkAlignment, which contains an hbox, which contains the image and the label. |
| 00:14.49 | florian | weeee |
| 00:17.17 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.630.png |
| 00:17.57 | pb_ | ah, looks good |
| 03:52.15 | paul | night |
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| 09:40.38 | florian | hi all |
| 09:46.00 | florian | ibot: seen cmarqu_werk |
| 09:46.00 | | cmarqu_werk <www@vws1.kens.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 17h 36m 30s ago, saying: 'BBL'. |
| 09:46.36 | cmarqu | Meep. |
| 09:46.40 | cmarqu | Hi florian |
| 09:47.06 | florian | cmarqu: Hi, are you at home? |
| 09:47.10 | cmarqu | Yes. |
| 09:47.17 | florian | Ahh, cool :_) |
| 09:47.36 | cmarqu | Yeah, I like it :) |
| 09:50.12 | florian | cmarqu: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3641.png |
| 09:50.31 | florian | cmarqu: http://www.handhelds.org/~florian/gpe-conf2_0.0.8-1-pre1_arm.ipk |
| 09:51.58 | florian | cmarqu: i think this works - so far as matchbox works, i'll start optimizing now :-) |
| 09:54.38 | cmarqu | florian: Great. |
| 09:54.56 | cmarqu | Even the buttons are in the right order now :) |
| 09:55.36 | florian | the butons change their label color dependant on their color :-) |
| 09:55.54 | florian | current status is in cvs too |
| 09:56.10 | cmarqu | Ah, no, I mean the Apply and Cancel buttons. |
| 09:56.46 | cmarqu | (but I'm not sure if it is "allowed" to have the "Save" stock icon for "Apply") |
| 09:57.25 | florian | now let's get rid of these frames... |
| 09:57.56 | florian | yep :-) |
| 09:58.09 | florian | ehhh... is there a better one? |
| 09:58.16 | cmarqu | Don't know... |
| 09:58.31 | cmarqu | Doesn't hurt for now, the frames are more important |
| 09:58.48 | cmarqu | florian: See spacing.c in libgpewidget BTW |
| 10:02.05 | cmarqu | Hmm, kernel kills my gpe-confs... |
| 10:02.33 | florian | ehh :-/ |
| 10:03.17 | cmarqu | Ah, now. Sweet, |
| 10:03.47 | cmarqu | Storage info cal ose the apply button, just say "Exit", right? |
| 10:04.49 | cmarqu | And maybe the appearance applet should be in notebooks, so that you don't need to scroll? |
| 10:05.03 | florian | St the moment yes, but i'd like to add some config functions (mount points etc.) |
| 10:05.11 | cmarqu | Ah, okay. |
| 10:05.43 | florian | yep, i think i'll do this now :-) |
| 10:07.51 | cmarqu | BRB, coffee |
| 10:08.53 | florian | me too, maybe connection closes, but i'll be beack soon |
| 10:26.05 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22769.png |
| 10:28.40 | cmarqu | Ah, nice. ipkg? |
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| 10:28.48 | cmarqu | Hi pb_ |
| 10:29.12 | florian | pb_: hello! |
| 10:29.22 | florian | cmarqu: ehh... have some minutes? |
| 10:29.24 | pb_ | hi cmarqu |
| 10:29.26 | pb_ | no werk today? |
| 10:29.30 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 10:29.39 | florian | :-) |
| 10:29.40 | cmarqu | florian: 30 more minutes or so |
| 10:29.47 | florian | cmarqu: ok :-) |
| 10:30.05 | cmarqu | pb_: No, at home, going to drive to my parents soon to go to the Linuxtag tomorrow |
| 10:30.12 | pb_ | Aha. |
| 10:35.24 | cmarqu | I need to get a newer/bigger iPAQ. I get kernel OOM kills way too often. |
| 10:37.45 | pb_ | What do you have now, a 3700? |
| 10:38.04 | florian | "cancel" works now :-) |
| 10:40.09 | cmarqu | 3635. |
| 10:40.18 | pb_ | Ah, okay. |
| 10:40.49 | cmarqu | I'd love to have a Zaurus actually. |
| 10:41.12 | pb_ | I think the SL-5500s are still on sale pretty cheaply (sub 300 EUR) |
| 10:41.43 | cmarqu | Yeah. OTOH, built-in wireless and BT is also cool... *sigh* |
| 10:41.58 | pb_ | Yes :-) |
| 10:42.15 | florian | it's a shame that sharp doesn't sell their new zaurus in europe :-/ |
| 10:42.32 | pb_ | I don't think they are on sale in the USA yet either, only Japan. |
| 10:43.17 | florian | http://www.handhelds.org/~florian/gpe-conf2_0.0.8-1-pre2_arm.ipk |
| 10:43.28 | cmarqu | florian: Getting it |
| 10:43.33 | pb_ | cmarqu: Do you have any friendly electronics technicians at Alcatel? Maybe you could ask them to upgrade the RAM in your 3600. |
| 10:43.45 | florian | Ther are some traders in usa importing them... but quite expensive! |
| 10:43.58 | cmarqu | pb_: Hmm, not really. |
| 10:44.36 | cmarqu | I mean, I used to be pretty good in soldering too, but haven't done much in years. Apart from the SMT equipment. |
| 10:46.26 | pb_ | Replacing the RAM chips is pretty straightforward on H3600 if you have the tools; it's just a pair of standard SDRAMs in TSOP (I think) package. |
| 10:46.48 | florian | does the memory need to replaced or just to be added? |
| 10:46.56 | pb_ | From H3900 onwards they switched to BGA, which pretty much rules out DIY replacement. |
| 10:47.28 | cmarqu | Yeah, BGA is out of the question. |
| 10:47.42 | pb_ | florian: Replaced, usually. If you already have the maximum amount that can be directly addressed (128MB, I think) you can "stack" extra chips on top to get more. |
| 10:48.52 | pb_ | right :-) |
| 10:49.35 | cmarqu | I need a "launch mbdesktop" dock app :/ It gets killed all the time. |
| 10:49.56 | florian | i think i the sgi 320 uses stacked memory :-) |
| 10:50.34 | florian | cmarqu: does gpe-conf kill it? |
| 10:51.09 | cmarqu | florian: Hmm, might be. I assumed it to be the kernel, but maybe not. |
| 10:51.36 | cmarqu | Yeah, it's gpe-conf (or the xst call or whatever) |
| 10:52.15 | pb_ | Do you have VM overcommit enabled (/proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory)? |
| 10:52.27 | pb_ | Having that set to 1 is usually helpful on small machines. |
| 10:52.40 | florian | cmarqu: call gpe-conf theme from a terminal, it will print the xst call... mbdesktop dies from several broken config strings |
| 10:53.07 | cmarqu | pb_: Ah, I had not. |
| 10:53.14 | cmarqu | Maybe it should be done conditionally. |
| 10:53.34 | pb_ | Yes, good idea. |
| 10:53.47 | cmarqu | pb_: What is the best place to add that in the startup scripts? |
| 10:54.02 | pb_ | I don't think there is any harm in enabling overcommit all the time on an ipaq. You normally wouldn't want it on a desktop machine because it can cause excessive swapping, but with no hard disk that is not a concern. |
| 10:54.02 | cmarqu | (for me as a temp. workaround?) |
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| 10:54.42 | pb_ | cmarqu: Anywhere in /etc/init.d I suppose. |
| 10:54.54 | pb_ | Maybe create a new script for that, and link it into /etc/rcS.d. |
| 10:54.56 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# gpe-conf theme |
| 10:54.56 | cmarqu | gpe-confd not running. |
| 10:54.56 | cmarqu | xst write MATCHBOX/Background str img-root |
| 10:54.56 | cmarqu | gpe-confd not running. |
| 10:54.56 | cmarqu | root@tiny:~# cmd: " ", pid 5889 |
| 10:55.34 | florian | cmarqu: another feature to show would be gpe-conf storage, it shows a new filesystem if mounted after some seconds :-) |
| 10:55.50 | cmarqu | florian: Cool. libfam? |
| 10:56.13 | florian | cmarqu: nope, df :-) |
| 10:56.23 | cmarqu | Not sure if I show much there at all though... |
| 10:56.33 | florian | cmarqu: and gtk_timeout... |
| 10:57.05 | florian | cmarqu: ah, yes - this seems to be still unfinished in my matchbox cvs checkout... |
| 10:58.04 | pb_ | florian: btw, it might be a good idea to build the xst code into gpe-conf, rather than calling it as a separate executable. Maybe some of it should go in our libXsettings-client. |
| 10:58.28 | cmarqu | minitime somehow gets confused for me right now. |
| 10:58.37 | cmarqu | Differs froom the date output. |
| 10:59.00 | cmarqu | BBIAB |
| 10:59.13 | mallum | florian: the background stuff should all be in matchbox cvs now |
| 10:59.37 | florian | pb_: yep, this would be great... |
| 11:00.04 | florian | mallum: ah, hi! just atarted cvs update :-) |
| 11:01.57 | mallum | florian: btw Im not sure what the transparency option in your theme frontend does..? |
| 11:03.00 | florian | mallum: hmm... that would be my next question :-) there once was an option --bg:trans |
| 11:04.45 | mallum | florian: yeah that was for the dock, not the desktop |
| 11:07.20 | florian | mallum: Ahh... ok, what about BG_ROOT_PIXMAP? |
| 11:07.41 | mallum | florian: in the src ? |
| 11:09.49 | florian | mallum: yep, i didn't find out how the parser determins this setting |
| 11:11.14 | mallum | florian: yeah its a relic, I need to remove it. Its left over from when the desktop would get its background from the root pixmap - but now it sets that itself |
| 11:11.23 | mallum | florian: I will remove that code in a moment |
| 11:11.27 | pb_ | florian: incidentally, there are some nice pictures and instructions for ipaq stacked ram upgrades at http://axl.freeyellow.com/iPAQ/rework.htm |
| 11:11.43 | pb_ | I'll add a link to that page from handhelds.org in a minute. |
| 11:11.50 | mallum | florian: you'll see that now it never gets set by the little background settings parser |
| 11:15.05 | florian | mallum: ah, ok - then this config point is obsolete too |
| 11:15.42 | mallum | florian: yes I think so , sorry for confusion |
| 11:16.24 | mallum | florian: also you may need some radio buttons by the img selection, to select img tiled or stretched |
| 11:17.59 | florian | mallum: ah, ok - then this config point is obsolete too |
| 11:18.40 | florian | mallum: yep, they're still there |
| 11:18.47 | mallum | florian: well not obsolete, its just you can set the desktop background ( and therefore to root background ) to be stretched to cover the entrire desktop or tile it |
| 11:19.55 | florian | mallum: oops, sorry this was somewhat late... this was about the transparency setting |
| 11:21.11 | mallum | florian: ;-) , yeah the transparency option is obsolete for the desktop |
| 11:22.15 | florian | mallum: about the background image: what about centered images, not stretchend and not tiled? |
| 11:23.32 | mallum | florian: I havn't implemented centered |
| 11:25.13 | mallum | florian: if you want it, it would only take me a sec to add |
| 11:25.25 | florian | mallum: :-))) |
| 11:26.40 | mallum | florian: okie I'll do it now whilst I remove the root pixmap crap |
| 11:28.25 | florian | mallum: ahh, great... maybe look at the h/v gradient code, i only get h gradients |
| 11:30.13 | mallum | florian: only horizonal not vertical ? |
| 11:30.28 | cmarqu | Okay, gott a go. TTYL |
| 11:32.34 | florian | cmarqu: cu - have fun in chemnitz... |
| 11:36.27 | pb_ | heh |
| 11:37.31 | florian | pb |
| 11:37.40 | florian | oops |
| 11:38.26 | florian | pb_: btw. this ipaq modification instructions are cool :-) |
| 11:39.23 | pb_ | Yeah. I should upgrade the memory in my 3600 some day. |
| 11:41.26 | mallum | pb_: hi, reading http://xfree86.org/4.3.0/fonts2.html#sec:installing could suggest the font.dir files are being made wrongly and thats why core fonts arn't working |
| 11:41.29 | florian | i think we have one of them here too... and a stove :-)) |
| 11:41.51 | mallum | pb_: it looks like you maybe dont need mkttfontdir anymore |
| 11:45.01 | pb_ | right. |
| 11:55.44 | florian | mallum: my mbdock eats it's icons :-/ |
| 11:56.46 | mallum | florian: ? id it hungry ;-) ? |
| 11:57.29 | florian | mallum: everytime i look away (lock out) one of them is missing :-( ... looks so |
| 11:57.45 | mallum | florian: uh, do you know what ones they are ? |
| 12:00.16 | florian | mallum: in this version, sometimes the applauncher and everytime the bluetooth docks. with some older ones i had the same with minisys |
| 12:01.23 | mallum | yeah I know minisys / miniapm / minitime used to do it ( Im pretty sure thats all fixed now - minitme may not be in the latest ipkg |
| 12:01.42 | mallum | florian: I've never seen the launcher do it ... which is a bit worrying |
| 12:02.03 | mallum | florian: I think bluetooth just exits anyway cos it cant find a lib or summin |
| 12:03.09 | mallum | florian: okey background fixes committed, please test ... |
| 12:03.58 | florian | mallum: ok |
| 12:04.33 | mallum | florian: thats root stuff removed, centered pixmap and missing gradient added |
| 12:06.39 | florian | ahhh, mayb i should try to built recent cvs status :-) |
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| 12:27.30 | mallum | florian: if you want to do that examine the buldarm.sh script in cvs root - thats what I use to build ipkgs |
| 12:34.58 | florian | ok... |
| 12:35.04 | florian | bbl... |
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| 15:06.21 | spung | pb_: so, status report :) gpe-today reads todo items.. but there's an ugly GTK+ (?) bug... i wonder if you have time to take a look |
| 15:07.02 | pb_ | spung: ok, cool. what's the bug? |
| 15:07.22 | spung | pb_: well, it's pretty simple to reproduce.. just play with resizing |
| 15:07.38 | spung | pb_: it enters a 'redraw' loop |
| 15:07.50 | pb_ | ok, I will take a look this evening. |
| 15:07.56 | spung | cool! thanks |
| 15:09.40 | spung | it's the two gtkdrawing area's are fighting for size |
| 15:10.08 | pb_ | I see. |
| 15:10.25 | spung | i guess, if I put one of those handbars (or whatever they're called) it'll fix it |
| 15:10.39 | spung | that was my initial idea anyway, i'm going to try it |
| 15:13.34 | pb_ | right |
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| 15:26.15 | spung | hah |
| 15:26.15 | spung | ! |
| 15:26.18 | spung | brilliant :D |
| 15:53.31 | PaxAnima | I'd wish multisync had some more doc.. |
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| 16:16.45 | florian | hi all! |
| 16:16.58 | PaxAnima | hi |
| 16:18.01 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 16:18.02 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 16:19.00 | spung | pb_: well, i just have to test it on the ipaq.. (it's b0rked right now for some reason) but i can't release a new version until http://europa.armlinux.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=166 is fixed |
| 16:19.32 | jg | pb_: hi. Did you know that RMS can be a pain in the tush at times? |
| 16:19.56 | pb_ | jg: so I've heard. |
| 16:21.31 | jg | pb_: there went much of yesterday. Sigh... |
| 16:23.13 | pb_ | spung: send mail to mccarthy, I guess |
| 16:23.28 | spung | pb_: yeah ok |
| 16:52.03 | florian | this crosscompiler seems to hate me :-( |
| 16:56.45 | pb_ | florian: what's up? |
| 17:01.09 | florian | pb_: tried to compile matchbox, but these gnu tools and nils toolchain don't really work with each other |
| 17:08.39 | pb_ | florian: oh dear. |
| 17:11.58 | dan_t | TheMasterMind1: are you here ? |
| 17:12.21 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24382.png |
| 17:12.37 | florian | my first step in font configuration :-) |
| 17:12.57 | pb_ | wow, cool |
| 17:13.25 | mallum | florian: v.nice :-) |
| 17:14.10 | mallum | florian: one thing to note is matchbox etc expects font name in a slightly different way to gtk |
| 17:14.38 | mallum | florian: rather than pass it 'sans serif 9' , you'd pass it 'sans serif-9' |
| 17:14.43 | florian | mallum: ahh, tell me |
| 17:14.46 | florian | :-) |
| 17:14.53 | mallum | florian: its pretty simple |
| 17:15.12 | mallum | florian: you may even be able to get the name pango eventually passes to xft out of pango |
| 17:15.35 | florian | mallum: ok, i'll try... |
| 17:17.00 | mallum | florian: I dont think I've put the code into mbdesktop to read the font from xsettings as yet .... |
| 17:17.07 | mallum | florian: but that should only take a mo |
| 17:17.09 | florian | mallum: i had some problems compiling matchbox, if you have a recent package... let me know where :-) |
| 17:17.32 | mallum | florian: what probs ? |
| 17:18.54 | florian | mallum: i need to tell the linker many libs explicit that he should find without a -l statement... |
| 17:19.54 | mallum | florian: hmm, I never tried to x-compile matchbox |
| 17:20.01 | mallum | florian: what libs, X ones ? |
| 17:22.39 | florian | mallum: yes, things like libX11, libXft... |
| 17:23.28 | mallum | florian: are you passing --with-x-libs-/cross/location ( or similar ) to the configure ? |
| 17:24.41 | mallum | florian: ./configure --help should tell the the correct flags |
| 17:25.30 | florian | mallum: yes, but it's the same in projects built without gnu tools too. maybe look at the makefile of gpe-conf there is a corsscompiling section that does this all |
| 17:25.56 | florian | i think it is --x-libraries |
| 17:27.16 | mallum | florian: are you suggesting I dont use autotools ? |
| 17:28.54 | florian | mallum: no... only that it's not a special problem with wrong autotools setup |
| 17:30.13 | mallum | florian: Im confused :( |
| 17:33.14 | TheMasterMind1 | dan_t: yes? |
| 17:33.38 | dan_t | TheMasterMind1: are you one of the ipkg mantainers ? |
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| 17:34.52 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 17:35.14 | dc_ | yay |
| 17:35.23 | dc_ | hacking week starts today |
| 17:35.45 | pb_ | great! |
| 17:35.53 | florian | mallum: ehh... don't mind :-) |
| 17:36.16 | dc_ | isn't it! |
| 17:36.19 | dc_ | food first. |
| 17:36.45 | florian | dc_: great... just updated: http://www.handhelds.org/~florian/bugs.html |
| 17:37.00 | dc_ | oh no, not more bugs. |
| 17:37.05 | florian | dc_: especially for you - the filemanager bugs ;-) |
| 17:37.07 | dc_ | florian: what about GPE.opml? |
| 17:37.44 | mallum | florian: ok ;) |
| 17:37.46 | dc_ | florian: put them in GPE.opml in cvs and I'll start them tonight :) |
| 17:37.46 | mallum | dc_: hey |
| 17:37.46 | dc_ | ;] |
| 17:37.52 | dc_ | mallum: hello! |
| 17:37.52 | florian | dc_: oh, right - i'll do this in the opml later.... |
| 17:37.56 | dc_ | and yay |
| 17:37.59 | dc_ | wait...I get.. |
| 17:38.09 | dc_ | to order my 5450 on sunday, huray. |
| 17:38.10 | florian | dc_: :-)) ok |
| 17:38.21 | dc_ | with a 128Mb MMC and bluetooth dongle, how fun. |
| 17:38.22 | dc_ | bbl |
| 17:38.23 | dc_ | brb |
| 17:38.28 | mallum | florian: them mbdesktop bugs should be fixed now |
| 17:39.04 | florian | mallum: great :-) two eintrys i don't have to move :-) |
| 17:39.18 | florian | s/eintrys/entrys |
| 17:50.43 | florian | dc_: i borrowed something from you: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.29212.png |
| 17:52.04 | florian | bbl |
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| 18:32.10 | dc_ | hum |
| 18:32.29 | dc_ | pb_: hey, I've started on the libgpewidget docs :) |
| 18:32.34 | pb_ | dc_: rock! |
| 18:32.44 | dc_ | pb_: :] |
| 18:32.58 | dc_ | pb_: they're a kind of cross between reference and tutorial. |
| 18:33.12 | dc_ | pb_: as each section as sorted by what you are going. |
| 18:33.24 | pb_ | sounds great! |
| 18:33.27 | dc_ | pb_: like Stock Buttons, Preloading images etc.. |
| 18:33.58 | dc_ | pb_: then after that I hope to put my new popdown menu stuff into libgpewidget if it seems sensible. |
| 18:34.05 | dc_ | pb_: it's alot nicer now. |
| 18:34.16 | pb_ | ok. Maybe the colour selector also. |
| 18:34.18 | dc_ | pb_: and you can basicly supply a widget to fill the menu. |
| 18:34.28 | pb_ | right. |
| 18:34.32 | dc_ | pb_: and then it'll know if it needs scrolling or not. |
| 18:34.45 | dc_ | pb_: oh yeah well, I decided not to make seperate widgets..but now.. |
| 18:35.00 | pb_ | ah, I see. |
| 18:35.32 | pb_ | now, time to add PAN support to gpe-bluetooth. |
| 18:35.46 | dc_ | but maybe some convenience functions would make sence. |
| 18:35.54 | dc_ | omfg...I nearly just ate a stone.. |
| 18:35.54 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 18:36.00 | pb_ | dc_: doh |
| 18:36.05 | dc_ | my teeth.. |
| 18:36.05 | dc_ | heh |
| 18:36.07 | dc_ | how silly |
| 18:36.21 | pb_ | dc_: did you mistake it for something edible? |
| 18:36.25 | dc_ | I'm trying to eat my saltanals. |
| 18:36.30 | dc_ | or raisins. |
| 18:36.36 | dc_ | to and english man |
| 18:36.37 | pb_ | aha. |
| 18:36.42 | dc_ | s/and/an/ |
| 18:37.03 | dc_ | and it seems..my little brother has been 'decorating' my room again |
| 18:37.52 | pb_ | yup, top tip there. |
| 18:38.15 | pb_ | hrm |
| 18:38.22 | pb_ | sshd apparently not running on my ipaq for some reason. |
| 18:38.44 | pb_ | ~ # sshd |
| 18:38.46 | pb_ | Segmentation fault |
| 18:38.48 | pb_ | ~ # |
| 18:38.50 | pb_ | doh! |
| 18:39.05 | dc_ | sshd is dead on mine aswell :\ |
| 18:39.20 | pb_ | suck. |
| 18:39.24 | pb_ | must have upgraded to some bad version. |
| 18:40.54 | pb_ | but, well, strangely, it doesn't seem to have been updated since Feb 16. |
| 18:41.19 | dc_ | probly correct. |
| 18:41.27 | dc_ | I havn't upgraded mine for ages |
| 18:41.48 | pb_ | I'd have thought I must have upgraded mine, but maybe I haven't rebooted in a long time. |
| 18:42.46 | dc_ | hrm |
| 18:42.50 | dc_ | while florian isn't here. |
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| 18:43.06 | dc_ | pb_: what's your though about the way he has the colored buttons? |
| 18:43.19 | pb_ | dc_: I quite like it. |
| 18:43.28 | dc_ | :] |
| 18:43.37 | dc_ | HIG time |
| 18:44.06 | pb_ | You'll have to wait for Colin to return, I guess. |
| 18:44.38 | pb_ | well, unless you feel like tackling the HIG on your own, in which case you are a braver man than I. |
| 18:44.41 | dc_ | personly I preffer the look of having a square box with the current color, then an adjacent button with the GTK_STOCK_SELECT_COLOR icon |
| 18:45.09 | pb_ | I'd be fine with that too. |
| 18:45.33 | dc_ | well I guess I'll have to settle it with the HIG man and florian :} |
| 18:45.42 | pb_ | Yeah, seems that way. |
| 18:46.31 | pb_ | Maybe Gtk should get a standard way for selecting a colour in a dialog box. |
| 18:46.37 | pb_ | You could take it up with the Gtk dudes directly. |
| 18:48.10 | dc_ | yes |
| 18:48.10 | dc_ | I'll see |
| 18:48.49 | dc_ | hrm |
| 18:48.49 | dc_ | yeah |
| 18:49.14 | dc_ | alot of the new stuff florian has done is nice, but I have to agree it'd be nicer if it followed the hig ;] |
| 18:49.21 | dc_ | or atleast aimed to look more like gnome |
| 18:49.44 | dc_ | damn it, I'm turning into a new cmarqu |
| 18:50.20 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:56.08 | dc_ | maybe I should just make a HIS version for him first. |
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| 18:57.05 | pb_ | dc_: good plan |
| 19:04.37 | pb_ | dc_: on the sshd thing, seems my /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 was corrupt somehow |
| 19:24.37 | pb_ | cool |
| 19:24.53 | pb_ | is it still running the sharp ROM, or do you have OZ on there? |
| 19:24.55 | mallum | this thing has glib installed |
| 19:25.23 | mallum | pb_: no Im still waiting for kergoth to send me the sharp instructions for reflashing :} |
| 19:25.41 | pb_ | ah. |
| 19:25.49 | pb_ | isn't there anything on the sharp website? |
| 19:25.56 | mallum | only in japanese :( |
| 19:26.07 | pb_ | ah. |
| 19:26.11 | pb_ | you could ask Damien to translate it :-) |
| 19:26.18 | mallum | I can telent into it at least |
| 19:26.23 | mallum | yeah :-) |
| 19:26.48 | mallum | I may try and dump the tinyX binary on it tommorow and see what happens |
| 19:27.43 | mallum | it stupid they gave this machine 64mb flash / 32Mb ram though |
| 19:27.56 | mallum | qtopia is incredably slow |
| 19:28.11 | pb_ | wow, that's quite a turnaround from the earlier zauruses. |
| 19:28.57 | pb_ | does seem like a strange kind of decision. |
| 19:29.36 | mallum | yeah, especially with such a large display |
| 19:29.57 | mallum | hopefully I'll have X nice on it by the dev meet and I'll bring it along |
| 19:30.03 | pb_ | that'd be coo |
| 19:30.07 | pb_ | cool, even |
| 19:30.08 | mallum | the screen is pretty damn amazing |
| 19:30.25 | mallum | ok gonna leave the house :-) |
| 19:30.28 | mallum | ttyl |
| 19:30.31 | pb_ | later |
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| 20:47.11 | florian | hi |
| 20:47.45 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 20:48.31 | dc_ | oh hey florian |
| 20:48.39 | dc_ | florian: I was looking at your stuff. |
| 20:49.06 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 20:49.20 | dc_ | florian: and I wanting to make some ui suggestions, but hopefully coding them would be an easier way of showing you. |
| 20:49.31 | dc_ | florian: but my first problem is trying to compile gpe-conf :} |
| 20:49.45 | florian | dc_: cross or native? |
| 20:49.57 | dc_ | florian: native x86 |
| 20:51.52 | florian | dc_: never did this before ;-) it may be that there are some linux-arm headers included, but they are not used at the moment... |
| 20:52.11 | dc_ | ah |
| 20:52.12 | dc_ | okay |
| 20:53.27 | dc_ | NATIVE = yes :] |
| 20:53.30 | dc_ | clever |
| 20:55.19 | dc_ | florian: have you added widgets/sp-color-slider.h: and widgets/color.h: to cvs? |
| 20:55.21 | florian | dc_: yep, but this doesn't affect the code... |
| 20:55.27 | dc_ | hrm |
| 20:55.31 | dc_ | theme.c:33: widgets/sp-color-slider.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:55.31 | dc_ | theme.c:34: widgets/color.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:56.24 | florian | oops, sorry... just one minute |
| 20:57.56 | dc_ | hrm |
| 20:58.05 | dc_ | I wonder what the gnome guys use for making their docs. |
| 21:01.56 | florian | ok, added them - and some other recent changes |
| 21:02.13 | dc_ | great |
| 21:02.40 | florian | i hope it works... searching for the arm stuff now |
| 21:03.19 | dc_ | hrmmm |
| 21:03.33 | dc_ | anyone here have any idea on what the gnome guys use to write their docs with? |
| 21:04.28 | pb_ | dunno. docbook? |
| 21:05.34 | florian | dc_: ipaqsleep e.g. uses some arm specific stuff but it has a switch to disable it |
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| 21:24.54 | jg | dc_:docbook |
| 21:25.11 | dc__ | jg: yes, I'm just trying to work out how to get stated with it. |
| 21:25.17 | jg | dc_: the claim out of esr (eric raymond) is that the tools don't suck anymore. |
| 21:25.18 | dc__ | jg: it all seems very complicated :\ |
| 21:25.31 | jg | a year ago he said the tools sucked... |
| 21:25.37 | dc__ | ah |
| 21:25.37 | dc__ | heh |
| 21:25.38 | dc__ | well |
| 21:25.49 | jg | dc__: so making sure you have up to date tools sounds like it is worth the effort. |
| 21:25.56 | dc__ | o'reilly make a book on docbook |
| 21:26.00 | dc__ | end of story. |
| 21:26.06 | jg | rather than presuming that what's in a distro is usable. |
| 21:26.21 | dc__ | jg: right, my first aim is to find out what tools I might actualy need. |
| 21:26.39 | jg | dc__: can't help there: I've never done it myself. |
| 21:27.06 | dc__ | maybe I can just live with my humble html untill it gets to the point where docbook would be of any benifit. |
| 21:27.30 | pb_ | seems like a reasonable plan |
| 21:28.21 | jg | dc__: probably a decent plan: if I were you I'd spend an hour or so trying to understand the scheme of things to prevent obvious mistakes, and punt if it isn't clear at that point. |
| 21:29.41 | jg | I say that primarily as esr writes lots, and for him to say that the tools have turned around is a non-trivial statement to me.... |
| 21:33.52 | dc__ | no doubly in the up coming months docbook will have to be tackled. |
| 21:34.01 | dc__ | but first step is writing some docs! |
| 21:35.46 | dc__ | ahh |
| 21:35.47 | dc__ | g. |
| 21:35.51 | dc__ | libdotdesktop, damn it. |
| 21:35.58 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 21:36.13 | dc__ | it was all just a sick joke. |
| 21:36.21 | dc__ | it should never have been created. |
| 21:36.24 | dc__ | what a fool I am |
| 21:36.50 | florian | und zwar? |
| 21:37.08 | florian | sorry... wrong channel :-/ |
| 21:37.24 | dc__ | florian: what has gpe-conf got to do with libdotdesktop anyway? |
| 21:37.32 | dc__ | ah ha |
| 21:37.38 | dc__ | all mibus' fault |
| 21:39.19 | florian | dc__: ehhh... found it? |
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| 21:39.48 | florian | paul: hello! |
| 21:40.12 | paul | hiya florian |
| 21:40.14 | paul | how are things? |
| 21:41.04 | dc__ | arg. |
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| 21:41.16 | dc__ | florian: gpe-conf needs alot more work for compiling on the desktop |
| 21:41.50 | dc__ | well. |
| 21:41.53 | dc__ | some fixes atleas ;] |
| 21:42.24 | dc__ | s/atleas/at least/ |
| 21:44.29 | florian | dc__: this is not good... have me a problematic file? |
| 21:44.57 | dc__ | florian: well, it seems the libdotdesktop in cvs is broken |
| 21:45.17 | pb_ | dc__: it compiles for me |
| 21:45.18 | dc__ | florian: and well, it really shouldn't be used :[ |
| 21:45.21 | dc__ | pb_: hrm |
| 21:45.24 | pb_ | dc__: why is gpe-conf using it anyway? |
| 21:45.30 | florian | dc__: collin compiled it yesterday... |
| 21:45.35 | dc__ | pb_: I don't know |
| 21:45.46 | dc__ | for some reason gpe-conf wants libdotdesktop |
| 21:45.57 | pb_ | dc__: what happens if you take it out of the makefile? |
| 21:45.58 | dc__ | dotdesktop.c:46: warning: implicit declaration of function `hash_add' |
| 21:46.02 | dc__ | pb_: well. |
| 21:46.09 | dc__ | pb_: I took out all the appmgr stuff |
| 21:46.42 | florian | dc__: ehh... are you shure you have the recent cvs version? |
| 21:47.21 | dc__ | much better |
| 21:47.21 | dc__ | work ing now |
| 21:47.51 | florian | i think yesterday morning there was still an include missing... |
| 21:47.52 | dc__ | heh |
| 21:47.58 | dc__ | try make install |
| 21:48.06 | dc__ | mkdir -p /etc/gpe |
| 21:48.06 | dc__ | mkdir -p |
| 21:48.06 | dc__ | mkdir: too few arguments |
| 21:48.07 | dc__ | Try `mkdir --help' for more information. |
| 21:48.07 | dc__ | make: *** [install] Error 1 |
| 21:48.25 | dc__ | cd ../ |
| 21:48.26 | dc__ | oops |
| 21:49.00 | florian | ahh, ther is a DISTDIR missing :-) |
| 21:49.39 | dc__ | florian: okay, commit that change? |
| 21:49.46 | dc__ | let me start with a fresh gpe-conf from cvs |
| 21:49.48 | dc__ | then we'll see. |
| 21:51.54 | florian | i added the default DESTDIR |
| 21:52.15 | dc__ | great |
| 21:52.43 | florian | PREFIX defaults to /usr |
| 21:53.05 | dc__ | florian: it should be /usr/share |
| 21:53.14 | dc__ | florian: or colin will beat you ;p |
| 21:53.16 | dc__ | hehe |
| 21:53.38 | pb_ | dc__: /usr/share? |
| 21:53.49 | dc__ | locah |
| 21:53.50 | dc__ | local |
| 21:53.52 | dc__ | my bad |
| 21:53.52 | pb_ | ah |
| 21:53.57 | pb_ | yeah, that makes more sense :-) |
| 21:54.01 | florian | dc__: ahh.... |
| 21:54.05 | dc__ | there I was looking so correct. |
| 21:54.08 | dc__ | hehe |
| 21:54.50 | florian | dc__: he tried :-) |
| 21:55.32 | dc__ | florian: and failed? |
| 21:56.07 | florian | dc__: i know wehere he is at the moment... far away :-) |
| 21:56.39 | dc__ | thank god |
| 21:56.54 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:56.59 | pb_ | but he will be back! |
| 21:57.40 | dc__ | argf. |
| 21:59.22 | dc__ | pb_: what are the functions that should be used for preloaded images now? |
| 21:59.29 | dc__ | pb_: gpe_find_icon? |
| 21:59.41 | pb_ | dc__: yep |
| 21:59.47 | dc__ | right |
| 22:01.01 | pb_ | there's also gpe_try_find_icon for use in library code. |
| 22:01.15 | dc__ | ah okay |
| 22:22.38 | dc__ | bbl |
| 22:23.34 | florian | good nicgt all |
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| 22:44.08 | dc_ | :] |
| 22:44.08 | dc_ | hrm |
| 22:44.22 | dc_ | I have to find someone to fix a dead hard drive sometime this weekend |
| 22:44.37 | dc_ | and important one blew up |
| 22:44.45 | pb_ | oh dear. |
| 22:44.51 | dc_ | and it makes this really bad screech when it starts up |
| 22:44.58 | pb_ | ah, I hate it when that happens. |
| 22:44.59 | dc_ | lets just hope it's only a lose bearing. |
| 22:45.16 | dc_ | and lets hope western digital are nice people :\ |
| 22:45.26 | pb_ | fingers crossed. |
| 22:45.49 | pb_ | I don't think I've ever had any trouble with WD drives, so I have no idea what they are like with returns. |
| 22:46.02 | dc_ | ah okay :] |
| 22:46.33 | dc_ | I'm assuming, because the noise seems to sound like it's trying to rev up, but can't get to the right rpm |
| 22:46.42 | dc_ | it must be something wrong with the motor. |
| 22:47.01 | dc_ | and I'm also hoping that something worse makes a louder sound. |
| 22:47.29 | dc_ | and I also hope that all the data is ok :\ |
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| 22:48.26 | paul | hi |
| 22:48.45 | paul | /msg nicj |
| 22:49.19 | paul | hmm did that appc |
| 22:50.09 | paul | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.28 | dc_ | yes. |
| 22:52.29 | pb_ | dc_: best of luck with that |
| 22:55.07 | dc_ | pb_: thanks. |
| 22:55.23 | dc_ | mmm, docs are looking smart so far :) |
| 22:56.55 | pb_ | cool |
| 22:56.59 | pb_ | any previews available? :-) |
| 22:58.59 | dc_ | pb_: gpe/html/developers/libgpewidget.shtml |
| 22:59.11 | dc_ | cvs obviously |
| 22:59.18 | pb_ | figured :-) |
| 23:00.51 | dc_ | pb_: putting the lack of spell checking |
| 23:00.54 | dc_ | pb_: asside |
| 23:00.57 | dc_ | pb_: looking okay> |
| 23:00.58 | dc_ | ? |
| 23:01.35 | pb_ | dc_: sorry, got distracted for a minute there, looking now |
| 23:02.40 | pb_ | dc_: looks good. might be a good idea to mention that gpe_application_init calls gtk_init for you. |
| 23:02.53 | pb_ | dc_: also, to explain what the difference is between gtk_button_new_from_stock and gpe_button_new_from_stock. |
| 23:03.23 | pb_ | dc_: oh, and probably not a good idea to use "question" and "error" in the example my_icons, since we want people to use the stock versions of those :-) |
| 23:06.57 | dc_ | pb_: doh :) |
| 23:06.58 | dc_ | thanks |
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